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2020-07-05 7:51:48 PM  
Subby is an idiot but if it gets people to read the article that's what counts.  This is a great program with an extended record of success.
 
2020-07-05 7:55:16 PM  

johnny_vegas: Subby is an idiot but if it gets people to read the article that's what counts.  This is a great program with an extended record of success.


You're agreeing with subby but are angry with subby?

/not subby
 
2020-07-05 8:01:09 PM  

gameshowhost: johnny_vegas: Subby is an idiot but if it gets people to read the article that's what counts.  This is a great program with an extended record of success.

You're agreeing with subby but are angry with subby?

/not subby


Hey subby backed into a good thing

/ much like his mom
 
2020-07-05 9:50:14 PM  
They didn't replace the police, they created a program that provided an alternative to the police where appropriate.

This is what most cops have been saying for a very long time: "I believe it's time for law enforcement to quit being a catch-base for everything our community and society needs," Eugene Police Chief Skinner said.

You can't solve long-term societal problems by passing and enforcing more laws. In most cases you just make them worse. It's long past time for finding alternatives.
 
2020-07-05 10:59:49 PM  

johnny_vegas: Subby is an idiot but if it gets people to read the article that's what counts.


Do you know where you are?
 
2020-07-05 11:04:02 PM  
They didn't replace the police. They added crisis responders, medics and shunted appropriate calls to them.
 
2020-07-05 11:09:46 PM  

iheartscotch: They didn't replace the police. They added crisis responders, medics and shunted appropriate calls to them.


sssh.... don't tell him about the Germans & Pearl Harbor
 
2020-07-05 11:10:26 PM  
Subby is technically correct, he did not say they replaced all the cops with civilians.
 
2020-07-05 11:11:59 PM  
They're all civilians.
 
2020-07-05 11:13:36 PM  

talkertopc: Subby is technically correct, he did not say they replaced all the cops with civilians.


No. They just replaced some of the civilians with other civilians.
 
2020-07-05 11:14:23 PM  

edmo: They're all civilians.


:|
 
2020-07-05 11:19:10 PM  
Cahoots is amazing. I've worked close to them many times while working for Egan Warming Center (a homeless shelter that activates only on freezing nights).
They have a lot of trust and credibility with the homeless and at-risk population who see them as friends and allies.  I was really surprised to learn how rare of an organization Cahoots was since they are so effective at what they do.

In my experience what they do is mediate and solve issues that an armored up pig wearing punisher skulls and wrap-around sunglasses would only make worse.  Yes Cahoots will call in the police but those times are not as often as you'd think.
 
2020-07-05 11:20:50 PM  

edmo: They're all civilians.


Beat me to it.

/much like the police
 
2020-07-05 11:21:03 PM  
CITY in Oregon.
 
2020-07-05 11:28:06 PM  

CruiserTwelve: They didn't replace the police, they created a program that provided an alternative to the police where appropriate.

This is what most cops have been saying for a very long time: "I believe it's time for law enforcement to quit being a catch-base for everything our community and society needs," Eugene Police Chief Skinner said.

You can't solve long-term societal problems by passing and enforcing more laws. In most cases you just make them worse. It's long past time for finding alternatives.


I can see why they said replaced, because 911 calls get diverted to them. We have similar mental health responders (CRISIS), but you have to call them on your own (relative or person having issues). They're associated with a mental health hospital system, not the police, and from what I'm gleaning are not as educated and we'll equipped as  in tfa.
The setup in tfa is far superior
 
2020-07-05 11:28:10 PM  

CruiserTwelve: They didn't replace the police, they created a program that provided an alternative to the police where appropriate.

This is what most cops have been saying for a very long time: "I believe it's time for law enforcement to quit being a catch-base for everything our community and society needs," Eugene Police Chief Skinner said.

You can't solve long-term societal problems by passing and enforcing more laws. In most cases you just make them worse. It's long past time for finding alternatives.


I want to believe, but what has been stopping the force from investing in social workers instead of used MRAPs?

Why can't the police ask for a larger budget for psychologists and not more patrols?
 
2020-07-05 11:29:21 PM  
Why is there no mention of what town it is until the 5th paragraph?
 
2020-07-05 11:29:36 PM  
There are 170,000 people in the town, and they had 24,000 call outs in 2019.  That's 1 call for every 7 people.

I wonder if there are a lot of frequent fliers, or there is a monster homeless/transient population not counted in official numbers.  I also wonder how many calls the police take and what the relative budgets are.
 
2020-07-05 11:29:58 PM  

omg bbq: Cahoots is amazing. I've worked close to them many times while working for Egan Warming Center (a homeless shelter that activates only on freezing nights).
They have a lot of trust and credibility with the homeless and at-risk population who see them as friends and allies.  I was really surprised to learn how rare of an organization Cahoots was since they are so effective at what they do.

In my experience what they do is mediate and solve issues that an armored up pig wearing punisher skulls and wrap-around sunglasses would only make worse.  Yes Cahoots will call in the police but those times are not as often as you'd think.


answered your own question.

If we help those lower than ourselves, then who will we have to look down upon?
 
2020-07-05 11:31:33 PM  
Citizens on patrol?
 
2020-07-05 11:32:34 PM  
Forgot a word subby, and that word is *some*.
 
2020-07-05 11:35:42 PM  
Cops ARE civilians. A big part of the problem is that they have forgotten that.
 
2020-07-05 11:36:51 PM  
But if they are in a conflict they will try and deescalate instead of using force.  They will look like a bunch of pussies.  Also, if they have to use force they probably won't resort to murder.  I see two big problems with it right there.
 
2020-07-05 11:38:26 PM  
I see a third problem.   Civilians, health care workers and counselors can also be racist and because the consequence are less extreme, they will be much harder to identify.
 
2020-07-05 11:40:10 PM  
So not this?

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I'm relieved but also slightly disappointed.
 
2020-07-05 11:41:29 PM  

mrshowrules: But if they are in a conflict they will try and deescalate instead of using force.  They will look like a bunch of pussies.  Also, if they have to use force they probably won't resort to murder.  I see two big problems with it right there.


Exactly, thats the type of thing that will turn your dick limp. How do you go home to your girlfriend or wife when your dick is all limp? Really the only solution is an hour at the end of the day to beat up on some minorities or hippies.
 
2020-07-05 11:42:33 PM  

CruiserTwelve: They didn't replace the police, they created a program that provided an alternative to the police where appropriate.

This is what most cops have been saying for a very long time: "I believe it's time for law enforcement to quit being a catch-base for everything our community and society needs," Eugene Police Chief Skinner said.

You can't solve long-term societal problems by passing and enforcing more laws. In most cases you just make them worse. It's long past time for finding alternatives.


The Quartering of Troops | Police Militarization
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This might be what you are looking for. Well worth the time it takes to watch.
 
2020-07-05 11:45:08 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Cops ARE civilians. A big part of the problem is that they have forgotten that.


Note to whomever funnied that:
Those morons not understanding - and having their noses repeated rubbed in - the fact that they are civilians is a major contributor to the problem.
 
2020-07-05 11:47:20 PM  
Imagine if they replaced them with Folgers.
 
2020-07-05 11:47:24 PM  

CruiserTwelve: They didn't replace the police, they created a program that provided an alternative to the police where appropriate.


You're kidding yourself if you think re-directing 24,000 911 calls doesn't result in fewer police hires.
 
2020-07-05 11:50:47 PM  

CruiserTwelve: They didn't replace the police, they created a program that provided an alternative to the police where appropriate.

This is what most cops have been saying for a very long time: "I believe it's time for law enforcement to quit being a catch-base for everything our community and society needs," Eugene Police Chief Skinner said.


Yeah, we need to do that.  But we also need to dissolve police forces, bust their unions, and re-hire only a limited number of them using much higher standards, into jobs that are also vastly different from the jobs they do today. Because the current police culture is toxic and pervasive, and needs to be eradicated.
 
2020-07-05 11:52:31 PM  

Hyjamon: CruiserTwelve: They didn't replace the police, they created a program that provided an alternative to the police where appropriate.

This is what most cops have been saying for a very long time: "I believe it's time for law enforcement to quit being a catch-base for everything our community and society needs," Eugene Police Chief Skinner said.

You can't solve long-term societal problems by passing and enforcing more laws. In most cases you just make them worse. It's long past time for finding alternatives.

I want to believe, but what has been stopping the force from investing in social workers instead of used MRAPs?

Why can't the police ask for a larger budget for psychologists and not more patrols?


Because nobody trusts the farking police anymore.
 
2020-07-05 11:52:53 PM  
Has anyone in this thread mention that police ARE civilians? No? Well let me be the first. Cops are civilians. Just FYI. Thought you all should know. It's a point that really should be made time and time again.
 
2020-07-05 11:56:52 PM  

unregenerate: Has anyone in this thread mention that police ARE civilians? No? Well let me be the first. Cops are civilians. Just FYI. Thought you all should know. It's a point that really should be made time and time again.


It's a point that needs to be made to tough-on-crime legislators, and the idiot right with authoritarians who vote for them because they desperately want more daddy-figures to submit to and thank for their service every day.
 
2020-07-05 11:57:09 PM  
FTFA:
Coulibaly, a former White Bird volunteer

Holy shiat, I wondered what that dude has been up to.
 
2020-07-05 11:57:13 PM  
They replaced armed uneducated civilians.

With unarmed educated ones.

Imagine that.
 
2020-07-05 11:58:43 PM  
CSB time: I worked for White Bird for many years. CAHOOTS, Crisis Assistance, Helping Out On The Streets, is a bacronym they had to come up with after Bob Dritz, the clinic director at the time, insisted they name the program cahoots, since everyone would be saying we were in cahoots with the cops from then on.

/end CSB
 
2020-07-06 12:03:35 AM  

RogermcAllen: There are 170,000 people in the town, and they had 24,000 call outs in 2019.  That's 1 call for every 7 people.

I wonder if there are a lot of frequent fliers, or there is a monster homeless/transient population not counted in official numbers.  I also wonder how many calls the police take and what the relative budgets are.


There is a notoriously large homeless population, in part because they know about CAHOOTS.  CAHOOTS also handles more than a few domestic-disturbance calls when deemed appropriate.
 
2020-07-06 12:06:55 AM  

mrshowrules: But if they are in a conflict they will try and deescalate instead of using force.  They will look like a bunch of pussies.  Also, if they have to use force they probably won't resort to murder.  I see two big problems with it right there.


The 2 big problems you see are them looking like a bunch of pussies and not being all murdery?  Maybe they don't have the pussy complex you do and don't really like murder.
 
2020-07-06 12:08:17 AM  
Cops are civilians, but they act like an occupying military force.
 
2020-07-06 12:12:55 AM  
It would be nice to dial 911 and get a social worker for a very old homeless man in 100°F heat on a road where homeless people don't appear.   Thought better of calling the cops.
 
2020-07-06 12:17:13 AM  

Myk Ox: mrshowrules: But if they are in a conflict they will try and deescalate instead of using force.  They will look like a bunch of pussies.  Also, if they have to use force they probably won't resort to murder.  I see two big problems with it right there.

The 2 big problems you see are them looking like a bunch of pussies and not being all murdery?  Maybe they don't have the pussy complex you do and don't really like murder.


I thought my sarcasm was obvious.
 
2020-07-06 12:18:36 AM  
Bakers make pastries.

Carpenters make cabinets.

Cops generate crime, it's literally their job.
 
2020-07-06 12:21:06 AM  

Hyjamon: Why can't the police ask for a larger budget for psychologists and not more patrols?


Why is this responsibility placed on the police? Why don't the people in control of the city recognize this need and fill it instead of referring every problem to the police? That right there is the problem.

You have essentially three first responders available to the public:

Firefighters who provide emergency treatment to sick and injured people and put out fires.

Ambulance people who provide some treatment and transportation to sick and injured people.

Cops who do absolutely everything else anyone perceives as a problem.

Change this.
 
2020-07-06 12:22:23 AM  

HerptheDerp: Bakers make pastries.

Carpenters make cabinets.

Cops generate crime, it's literally their job.


User name checks out.
 
2020-07-06 12:27:33 AM  
The police in my town act as law enforcement officers, medics, incident de-escalation specialists, counselors, and will even change a flat tire for a motorist.

I live in a community that understands the value of honest, ethical, professional police officers, and we pay more to get them.  The percentage of minority officers is much higher than the percentage of minorities in the community, which helps immensely when they interact with young minority kids from outside the community who might fit within the demographic that would feel "profiled" when driving through town.

We live in a community with very, very low crime rates.  This is mostly due to the culture of the community, but we also rely on the police force to stop people from outside our community from coming into our neighborhoods to commit crimes.

We are also part of a culture that understands their jobs and respects them.  We also hold them to very high standards and do not tolerate any abuse by the police force.  The idea of getting an education, working hard, being financially responsible, moving to a nice neighborhood, and being involve in the community is still the best way to avoid being a victim of crime or police abuse.
 
2020-07-06 12:28:36 AM  

Watubi: CruiserTwelve: They didn't replace the police, they created a program that provided an alternative to the police where appropriate.

You're kidding yourself if you think re-directing 24,000 911 calls doesn't result in fewer police hires.


Nearest I could find the uniformed force numbers stayed the same between 2010 and 2020.  That is an effective reduction though when the population growth over that time is taken into account though.
 
2020-07-06 12:33:29 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Cops ARE civilians. A big part of the problem is that they have forgotten that.


Cops are well aware that they're civilians. It's just a convenient way to articulate a difference between the police and the non-police and it's used by the media and the cops themselves - even non-cops use the term. When cops take off the uniform, they go home to the same neighborhoods, shop at the same supermarkets, send their kids to the same schools, eat at the same restaurants and drink at the same bars as you.
 
2020-07-06 12:33:48 AM  
In other words, much better words, what one hopes the folks yelling "defund the police" are trying to achieve, albeit with the worst goddamn rallying cry of all farking time.
 
2020-07-06 12:35:00 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Cops ARE civilians. A big part of the problem is that they have forgotten that.


Centrists/moderates spent the past handful of decades voting for representation and leadership that kept allowing for LEO mission creep.  The biggest part of the problem is that their votes turned into liability exclusions, which incentivized already-shiatty cop behavior to worsen over time.
 
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