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2020-07-05 4:35:59 PM  
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2020-07-05 5:08:22 PM  
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2020-07-05 5:53:28 PM  
How dare you?
 
2020-07-05 7:49:05 PM  
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2020-07-05 8:34:42 PM  
This is as deep as the Twitter phenomenon "yeah but in your article defending black protesters, you didn't mention the subjugation of women since the beginning of time. You're a misogynist"
 
2020-07-05 10:31:51 PM  

danielem1: This is as deep as the Twitter phenomenon "yeah but in your article defending black protesters, you didn't mention the subjugation of women since the beginning of time. You're a misogynist"


This.

"This is a production about the establishment of the American republic that never once mentions Native Americans - not even in passing."

Oh, fark off.
 
2020-07-05 11:08:09 PM  
Hamilton threw away its shot? It's funny because that's exactly what Alexander Hamilton did when confronted by his best frienemy Aaron Burr.....
 
2020-07-05 11:25:59 PM  
Was it Armond White?

/DNRTA
 
2020-07-05 11:26:56 PM  
Cynically, it feels like hollow representational politics at their most grotesque.

It was very generous of this writer, to include this bit of self-criticism
 
2020-07-05 11:27:33 PM  
Well at least the review wasn't: "It's just like one of these rap guys girlfriends...who understands these rap guys anyway." I was expecting a Breitbart review.
 
2020-07-05 11:28:00 PM  
Lin Manuel was better in Fatwa - The Musical
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2020-07-05 11:45:29 PM  

Schlubbe: Lin Manuel was better in Fatwa - The Musical
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As a fan on weird musicals, I'm intrigued.
 
2020-07-05 11:48:08 PM  
FTFA: It is also just optically weird when Miranda (who's Latinx) is dissing Diggs (who's Black) about his state's use of slaves

........he knows that Jefferson wasn't actually a black man, right? In real life, I mean?
 
2020-07-05 11:53:58 PM  
I'm at the intermission.  I have not seen it live.  I have listened to the soundtrack many times and loved it.

I am a bit disappointed in the recorded performance.  It feels very stiff and rushed.  I don't know if it's because of the editing, or if they really did rush it.  There is no time between scenes.   It feels like the short period where the audience applauds the end of the song and the next scene is set is missing.

Also, the sound quality is good, but a bit flat.  It sounds like a studio recording.
 
2020-07-06 12:15:55 AM  
Oh my god, I was assuming this webiste was in the throes of "get woke, got broke" Then I Looked up the site, wow. They been "woke" for a while. Never heard of them, and I try to hit as many insane lefty websites as I can for humor purposes. The moon-battery here wow just awesome.
 
2020-07-06 12:42:38 AM  
So, the production was great. Acting great, (Miranda not as great as his co-stars, but still up there).
Pretty much everything about this specific version works according to the reviewer.
The criticism is about the "Hamilton" itself.....

sigh......
 
2020-07-06 1:03:53 AM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: FTFA: It is also just optically weird when Miranda (who's Latinx) is dissing Diggs (who's Black) about his state's use of slaves

........he knows that Jefferson wasn't actually a black man, right? In real life, I mean?


Also, I automatically take any white person less seriously if he or she uses the non-word "Latinx."

Actual Spanish-speakers don't feel the need to broadcast how progressive they are by strippimg Spanish of its gendered nouns.  Just white people.

I can almost sympathize with wanting a neuter form of the word for talking about groups or people of unknown or indeterminate gender, but this is not one of those cases.  The Hamilton guy is Latino.
 
2020-07-06 1:17:16 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: I'm at the intermission.  I have not seen it live.  I have listened to the soundtrack many times and loved it.

I am a bit disappointed in the recorded performance.  It feels very stiff and rushed.  I don't know if it's because of the editing, or if they really did rush it.  There is no time between scenes.   It feels like the short period where the audience applauds the end of the song and the next scene is set is missing.

Also, the sound quality is good, but a bit flat.  It sounds like a studio recording.


Everything after the intermission was incredibly "meh" for me.
 
2020-07-06 1:20:05 AM  
As I submitted my comment, I realized that I wanted to complain about something else, too.

I am all for people adopting progressive views on social issues and even letting those views inform film criticism.  That is only natural.

But don't make the review about YOURSELF.

I don't want to say what review I just read, because knowing what film I am talking about would spoil it, and it is the kind of show that is better if you go in umspoiled.

I will say that the film was about a character from a typically discriminated-against background who overcomes some challenges and gets a happy ending while remaining sympathetic.  Great ending to a great film.

The review I saw complained about this, because apparently having such a person (again, vague here to protect you, dear reader, from spoilers) be a good person apparently implies that such a persom has to earn the right to be human, so the film was being subtly bigoted.

It was such a stretch that it seemed that the point was less to provide an honest review and more to shout, as loudly as possible, "I, the reviewer, am better than you because I found a way to label this thing as problematic!"

Future attention-hungry reviewers will have to top that now.

And again, if there is something that is genuinely bad, then feel free to call it out.  Bad elements can be much more subtle than Mickey Rooney in Breakfastnat Tiffany's. Hollywood genuinely needs to do better in a lot of areas.

But blatantly manufacturing controversy is annoying.
 
2020-07-06 1:37:30 AM  

NetOwl: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: FTFA: It is also just optically weird when Miranda (who's Latinx) is dissing Diggs (who's Black) about his state's use of slaves

........he knows that Jefferson wasn't actually a black man, right? In real life, I mean?

Also, I automatically take any white person less seriously if he or she uses the non-word "Latinx."

Actual Spanish-speakers don't feel the need to broadcast how progressive they are by strippimg Spanish of its gendered nouns.  Just white people.

I can almost sympathize with wanting a neuter form of the word for talking about groups or people of unknown or indeterminate gender, but this is not one of those cases.  The Hamilton guy is Latino.


FYI: The reviewer isn't white.
 
2020-07-06 1:40:35 AM  
I have seen both the New York and the SF production.  I liked both; however, the SF version had better performers particularly in the roles of Hamilton, George Washington, King George and Lafayette.  I liked it better than "Wicked" for its evenness; although, "Wicked" did have points that rose above "Hamilton" at points.

Either way, "Dream Girls" was better given the strength of the first half.  Not that PoS movie version, though, which sucked.
 
2020-07-06 1:46:26 AM  
Hamilton is a beautifully simplistic work of subversive artistry in its musical compositions, historical omissions and significant casting decisions alone. It allowed generations of Americans of all colors to recognize their self images personally in the undeniably gangsta shoes of our founding fathers, and those revolutionary new kicks of countless Black Americans demanding change at the same time specifically.

/The very same US cultural fire is likewise undergirding the Black Lives Matter movement's momentum right now
//???
///Like it or not
 
2020-07-06 2:13:09 AM  

Tyrosine: Was it Armond White?

/DNRTA


I assumed so, it had to be right?! It wasn't, but it seemed like it must be as that guy exists solely to be contrarian.
 
2020-07-06 2:34:19 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: I'm at the intermission.  I have not seen it live.  I have listened to the soundtrack many times and loved it.

I am a bit disappointed in the recorded performance.  It feels very stiff and rushed.  I don't know if it's because of the editing, or if they really did rush it.  There is no time between scenes.   It feels like the short period where the audience applauds the end of the song and the next scene is set is missing.

Also, the sound quality is good, but a bit flat.  It sounds like a studio recording.


Having seen it live.  There isn't any break between scenes/songs.  The break is at intermission.
 
2020-07-06 2:39:30 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Schlubbe: Lin Manuel was better in Fatwa - The Musical
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As a fan on weird musicals, I'm intrigued.


LEXX (Ep.22) "Brigadoom" [UNCUT VERSION] (1999)
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Weird, musical and not too long.
 
2020-07-06 3:57:22 AM  
Shut your whore mouth and get a job, critic person.
 
2020-07-06 5:55:42 AM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: FTFA: It is also just optically weird when Miranda (who's Latinx) is dissing Diggs (who's Black) about his state's use of slaves

........he knows that Jefferson wasn't actually a black man, right? In real life, I mean?


The weird thing being there is a strong possibility Hamilton had slaves.
 
2020-07-06 5:55:59 AM  
Author really seems to think his ultra-wokeness will one day yield him some hippie strange.
 
2020-07-06 5:58:44 AM  

NetOwl: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: FTFA: It is also just optically weird when Miranda (who's Latinx) is dissing Diggs (who's Black) about his state's use of slaves

........he knows that Jefferson wasn't actually a black man, right? In real life, I mean?

Also, I automatically take any white person less seriously if he or she uses the non-word "Latinx."

Actual Spanish-speakers don't feel the need to broadcast how progressive they are by strippimg Spanish of its gendered nouns.  Just white people.

I can almost sympathize with wanting a neuter form of the word for talking about groups or people of unknown or indeterminate gender, but this is not one of those cases.  The Hamilton guy is Latino.


If you talk to the Latinx activist they prefer that term, where do you think it came from? Also the reviewer is black.
 
2020-07-06 5:58:44 AM  

NetOwl: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: FTFA: It is also just optically weird when Miranda (who's Latinx) is dissing Diggs (who's Black) about his state's use of slaves

........he knows that Jefferson wasn't actually a black man, right? In real life, I mean?

Also, I automatically take any white person less seriously if he or she uses the non-word "Latinx."

Actual Spanish-speakers don't feel the need to broadcast how progressive they are by strippimg Spanish of its gendered nouns.  Just white people.

I can almost sympathize with wanting a neuter form of the word for talking about groups or people of unknown or indeterminate gender, but this is not one of those cases.  The Hamilton guy is Latino.


Why oh why won't the Latinx-men accept our whitesplanation. They should really be grateful for it.
 
2020-07-06 6:04:32 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: I'm at the intermission.  I have not seen it live.  I have listened to the soundtrack many times and loved it.

I am a bit disappointed in the recorded performance.  It feels very stiff and rushed.  I don't know if it's because of the editing, or if they really did rush it.  There is no time between scenes.   It feels like the short period where the audience applauds the end of the song and the next scene is set is missing.

Also, the sound quality is good, but a bit flat.  It sounds like a studio recording.


This is a live performance, they have to go from one set to another as quickly as possible, otherwise the show would be four hours long.
 
2020-07-06 6:12:14 AM  
Maybe this shouldn't have been in a review, but it is something worthy of discussion. Especially given the fact that the main character was a slave owner according to his grandson and did buy and sell people according to records from the time. So one would have to ask how is propping up the legacy of a slave trader good?
 
2020-07-06 8:15:40 AM  

punkwrestler: Maybe this shouldn't have been in a review, but it is something worthy of discussion. Especially given the fact that the main character was a slave owner according to his grandson and did buy and sell people according to records from the time. So one would have to ask how is propping up the legacy of a slave trader good?


Look, I'm as liberal as they come, but this notion of dismissing important historical figures for the things they got wrong, especially things that were cultural norms at the time, just demonstrates a fundamental incompetence in regards to understanding history.

Firstly, because no human is perfect. If you dig deep enough on anyone you'll find mistakes, and bad ideas born of the culture they were raised in.

Secondly, those flaws do not diminish their achievements, because that person - say Jefferson for instance, did something that advanced the cause of humanity despite his blatant hypocrisy.

For example Bill Gates is doing more to end disease in this world than any one person has done since Salk. Yet he's a billionaire who made his money on the backs of those aforementioned wage slaves, by being a master player in a horribly corrupt financial system, and his charity is reinforcing that system.

And you want to talk about judgement? How do you think your ancestors are going to look upon you? You think the people who will have robots doing most of the brute labor of civilization are going to be impressed by the generations who allowed wage slaves in the third world to make them cheap plastic crap, that these future generations are STILL cleaning up, just so they could post inanities on the web? You think they are going to be forgiving towards us for all the rotten shiat we collectively allow to continue that could be solved, for good, by every person stepping up to their responsibilities as citizens?

We look on slavery with horror, yet most of us are perfectly fine with our made in China crap, allowing millions to suffer needlessly for healthcare profits, locking children in cages away from their parents, regular wholesale slaughter of school children, rampant abuse of women and children, systematic police abuse of the poor and brown, and destroying the environment. We let these things happen because we have to get to our job, we got our own problems, that's the way it's always been, we can't change the president, it's too much, too hard, too whatever.

The things historical figures got wrong are important to note, but they don't negate what they got right, they are just part the complexities of being human. We don't have a statue of Jefferson to honor the fact he was a slaveholder and a rapist. We honor him for planting an ideal in America that grew past his limited understanding of the world into something amazing. The dark sides of him still matter, they provide context and remind us to watch our own hypocrisy so that we can actually be better and propel the human cause forward.
 
2020-07-06 8:19:22 AM  
That wasn't a review as much as it was a complaint about the world.
 
2020-07-06 9:40:44 AM  
I didn't think Hamilton was as great.  The first act was fantastic, the second was meh.

I only know a few people that agree with me.  Most are subscribing to Disney+ and watching it over and over again.  Some with close captioning.
 
2020-07-06 9:41:37 AM  
Hamilton is one of those phenoms that there's no reason to critique it. It's not going to make a difference or be seen as essential- you're basically just waving your arms yelling "LOOK AT ME!!!!" like some terrible, bald white male Gen X music nerd from Chicago writing a zine. The fans like it.

Might as well write a hit piece on Michael Bay, Beyonce or Taylor Swift.
 
2020-07-06 9:53:21 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Hamilton is one of those phenoms that there's no reason to critique it. It's not going to make a difference or be seen as essential- you're basically just waving your arms yelling "LOOK AT ME!!!!" like some terrible, bald white male Gen X music nerd from Chicago writing a zine. The fans like it.

Might as well write a hit piece on Michael Bay, Beyonce or Taylor Swift.


Hey whoa, let's not get crazy here. It's always cool to make fun of Michael Bay.
 
2020-07-06 10:59:42 AM  

mrparks: Glorious Golden Ass: Schlubbe: Lin Manuel was better in Fatwa - The Musical
[Fark user image image 480x360]

As a fan on weird musicals, I'm intrigued.

[YouTube video: LEXX (Ep.22) "Brigadoom" [UNCUT VERSION] (1999)]

Weird, musical and not too long.


Wow.  I only watched the pilot.  Glad to see it gets weirder.

Thanks!

Also, since patriotism is all the rage, here's a terrible clip of the song Big Ass Flag from 1814 - a Rock Opera about the war of 1812.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k5zxZ6Q​c​THI
 
2020-07-06 11:21:31 AM  

Dr.Fey: danielem1: This is as deep as the Twitter phenomenon "yeah but in your article defending black protesters, you didn't mention the subjugation of women since the beginning of time. You're a misogynist"

This.

"This is a production about the establishment of the American republic that never once mentions Native Americans - not even in passing."

Oh, fark off.


Those are the sort of people that deserve a cockpunch
 
2020-07-06 11:24:31 AM  

EdgeRunner: NetOwl: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: FTFA: It is also just optically weird when Miranda (who's Latinx) is dissing Diggs (who's Black) about his state's use of slaves

........he knows that Jefferson wasn't actually a black man, right? In real life, I mean?

Also, I automatically take any white person less seriously if he or she uses the non-word "Latinx."

Actual Spanish-speakers don't feel the need to broadcast how progressive they are by strippimg Spanish of its gendered nouns.  Just white people.

I can almost sympathize with wanting a neuter form of the word for talking about groups or people of unknown or indeterminate gender, but this is not one of those cases.  The Hamilton guy is Latino.

FYI: The reviewer isn't white.


I think LatinX is pretty dumb but I don't get to define these things, least of all call out people who use the term in good faith.
 
2020-07-06 12:12:11 PM  

Boudyro: punkwrestler: Maybe this shouldn't have been in a review, but it is something worthy of discussion. Especially given the fact that the main character was a slave owner according to his grandson and did buy and sell people according to records from the time. So one would have to ask how is propping up the legacy of a slave trader good?

Look, I'm as liberal as they come, but this notion of dismissing important historical figures for the things they got wrong, especially things that were cultural norms at the time, just demonstrates a fundamental incompetence in regards to understanding history.

Firstly, because no human is perfect. If you dig deep enough on anyone you'll find mistakes, and bad ideas born of the culture they were raised in.

Secondly, those flaws do not diminish their achievements, because that person - say Jefferson for instance, did something that advanced the cause of humanity despite his blatant hypocrisy.

For example Bill Gates is doing more to end disease in this world than any one person has done since Salk. Yet he's a billionaire who made his money on the backs of those aforementioned wage slaves, by being a master player in a horribly corrupt financial system, and his charity is reinforcing that system.

And you want to talk about judgement? How do you think your ancestors are going to look upon you? You think the people who will have robots doing most of the brute labor of civilization are going to be impressed by the generations who allowed wage slaves in the third world to make them cheap plastic crap, that these future generations are STILL cleaning up, just so they could post inanities on the web? You think they are going to be forgiving towards us for all the rotten shiat we collectively allow to continue that could be solved, for good, by every person stepping up to their responsibilities as citizens?

We look on slavery with horror, yet most of us are perfectly fine with our made in China crap, allowing millions to suffer needlessly ...


Boudyro: punkwrestler: Maybe this shouldn't have been in a review, but it is something worthy of discussion. Especially given the fact that the main character was a slave owner according to his grandson and did buy and sell people according to records from the time. So one would have to ask how is propping up the legacy of a slave trader good?

Look, I'm as liberal as they come, but this notion of dismissing important historical figures for the things they got wrong, especially things that were cultural norms at the time, just demonstrates a fundamental incompetence in regards to understanding history.

Firstly, because no human is perfect. If you dig deep enough on anyone you'll find mistakes, and bad ideas born of the culture they were raised in.

Secondly, those flaws do not diminish their achievements, because that person - say Jefferson for instance, did something that advanced the cause of humanity despite his blatant hypocrisy.

For example Bill Gates is doing more to end disease in this world than any one person has done since Salk. Yet he's a billionaire who made his money on the backs of those aforementioned wage slaves, by being a master player in a horribly corrupt financial system, and his charity is reinforcing that system.

And you want to talk about judgement? How do you think your ancestors are going to look upon you? You think the people who will have robots doing most of the brute labor of civilization are going to be impressed by the generations who allowed wage slaves in the third world to make them cheap plastic crap, that these future generations are STILL cleaning up, just so they could post inanities on the web? You think they are going to be forgiving towards us for all the rotten shiat we collectively allow to continue that could be solved, for good, by every person stepping up to their responsibilities as citizens?

We look on slavery with horror, yet most of us are perfectly fine with our made in China crap, allowing millions to suffer needlessly ...


Your newsletter good person, may I have a link to subscribe? That may be the most reasonable and rational take on anything I've read in 2020.
 
2020-07-06 12:40:49 PM  
Hamilton is best viewed as what it is: an American version of a Greek heroic tragedy told through a hip-hop lens. That's what it was designed to be, and that's what it is most capable of being. Everything else is incidental.
 
2020-07-06 2:56:59 PM  

Dr.Fey: danielem1: This is as deep as the Twitter phenomenon "yeah but in your article defending black protesters, you didn't mention the subjugation of women since the beginning of time. You're a misogynist"

This.

"This is a production about the establishment of the American republic that never once mentions Native Americans - not even in passing."

Oh, fark off.



If he gave any thought to how they were mentioned in the Declaration of Independence then he might understand why they weren't referred to in this show.
Especially in the context of Washington's early military career.


As for slavery...Hamilton was an abolitionist. Later in his life he was instrumental in creating and maintaining the New-York Manumission Society. It's just that like EVERYTHING ELSE in Hamilton's life, it took second place to his ambition.
 
2020-07-06 3:35:37 PM  

Boudyro: punkwrestler: Maybe this shouldn't have been in a review, but it is something worthy of discussion. Especially given the fact that the main character was a slave owner according to his grandson and did buy and sell people according to records from the time. So one would have to ask how is propping up the legacy of a slave trader good?

Look, I'm as liberal as they come, but this notion of dismissing important historical figures for the things they got wrong, especially things that were cultural norms at the time, just demonstrates a fundamental incompetence in regards to understanding history.

Firstly, because no human is perfect. If you dig deep enough on anyone you'll find mistakes, and bad ideas born of the culture they were raised in.

Secondly, those flaws do not diminish their achievements, because that person - say Jefferson for instance, did something that advanced the cause of humanity despite his blatant hypocrisy.

For example Bill Gates is doing more to end disease in this world than any one person has done since Salk. Yet he's a billionaire who made his money on the backs of those aforementioned wage slaves, by being a master player in a horribly corrupt financial system, and his charity is reinforcing that system.

And you want to talk about judgement? How do you think your ancestors are going to look upon you? You think the people who will have robots doing most of the brute labor of civilization are going to be impressed by the generations who allowed wage slaves in the third world to make them cheap plastic crap, that these future generations are STILL cleaning up, just so they could post inanities on the web? You think they are going to be forgiving towards us for all the rotten shiat we collectively allow to continue that could be solved, for good, by every person stepping up to their responsibilities as citizens?

We look on slavery with horror, yet most of us are perfectly fine with our made in China crap, allowing millions to suffer needlessly for healthcare profits, locking children in cages away from their parents, regular wholesale slaughter of school children, rampant abuse of women and children, systematic police abuse of the poor and brown, and destroying the environment. We let these things happen because we have to get to our job, we got our own problems, that's the way it's always been, we can't change the president, it's too much, too hard, too whatever.

The things historical figures got wrong are important to note, but they don't negate what they got right, they are just part the complexities of being human. We don't have a statue of Jefferson to honor the fact he was a slaveholder and a rapist. We honor him for planting an ideal in America that grew past his limited understanding of the world into something amazing. The dark sides of him still matter, they provide context and remind us to watch our own hypocrisy so that we can actually be better and propel the human cause forward.


You're missing our point. Even though your much heralded history as white Americans who "founded America," at least in the way it's governed, does deserve some special credit. But it's not the whole story. And it's the retelling of that narrative that is the problem.

All of us, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, etc, we're taught that it was white males who built this country, and it was white men who benevolently granted us the rights and freedoms we have today. Technically it's true, but not all of it was because it came from of sense of honor, and generosity.

With compassion comes credit. People will give you credit for doing the right thing, however your American ancestors had to be forced to do it. And the folks who ultimately forced you to do it?  Other white people. We had to unleash federal troops on the hold offs.

Oh yeah, and money. Always money.

Lincoln knew a country divided was never gonna work. O think whites in general find no irony in him being killed by another white man. You easily flip Wilkes-Booth into an enemy "working for the other side." But it was of the same coin. Blacks, on the other hand, saw it as whitey still trying to keep us down. You were denying us our right to the American way of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, or at least trying your damndest to delay it. And you still, even during the pandemic, continue to do so.

Over, and over again, you guy's "minor" disagreements with each other, usually means a lot of hardship is coming for us. Rich white males shipped jobs to Mexico and overseas, yet that's a foreigners fault? It's an American minorities fault??

And that crazy pretzel logic extends into our entire way of life here, especially when it comes to pop culture.

Y'all always have to involve yourselves in our accomplishments. You'll go as far as to Photoshop a pic of yourself into situations that started out as fights against shiat you are doing! Native Americans at Standing Rock live there,or at least understand the place it holds in their culture. Yet their encampment was surrounded by whites with campers and "get away cars." Yes your heart is in it. Yes y'all wanna do the right thing. But the entire reason why there was/is a problem to begin with, is because people who look like you caused it!

Your good jobs, your education, where you grew up, the food you ate, and the water you drank? For many, many minorities, our lives were nowhere near as orderly and idyllic. But you don't know that. More importantly, you don't care. So you make movies about your idyllic childhood, or your teen agnst, or your college years, or middle age, or your senior years, and you sell them to the big screen, and you hype it up, and tell everyone here, and overseas, "look at us!' "Look at our lives!" "We have the best lives ever, and you should emulate us! You should envy us!

Any subject, from your family life, to being gay, or transgender, to fighting racism, to being an alcoholic, or a drug addict, is produced from your point of view. And your protagonists are always portrayed with a sense of empathy, or hero worship. American action, or war movies always feature folks who should have been DD'd  out of the military during basic training, as heroes who save the day. White boys are always allowed to break the rules! Being a fark up, or bad guy, is cool, and cries for empathy or admiration.

White women pretending to sympathize with her black maids is the heroine, because she "brought the issue to light!" What, were Fannie Lou Hammer, and Martin Luther King Jr. busy that day?

Can't break a law you made up. Can't violate a Constitution you wrote. But then you want to further admonish us for not being grateful. Because the Mexican helping you and your 2019 Jeep out of the mud in Tijuana, couldn't possibly be smart enough to know where the sinkhole was!

Hamilton is a play about what Lin Emmanuel-Miranda fantasized what the founding of democracy would look like if he had been alive, and in charge. It also shows his pride. He's proud to be American. He is a Puerto Rican American by white definition and self acceptance. You should be happy and proud of such a fellow American! Proud that a member of a disenfranchised group had the desire, even audacity to be so bold! Hamilton is all our story, "accurate" or not. Look at that diversity! Look at that American pride!

That's what makes us so amazing. However,  we allowed a relative handful of rightwing, nutcase, privileged fark up's, along with even more entitled and indifferent middle class white Americans, to drag us back to the bad old days.

And you probably still think Hamilton should have been as adherent to your narrative of American history as you are.
 
2020-07-06 3:49:07 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: I'm at the intermission.  I have not seen it live.  I have listened to the soundtrack many times and loved it.

I am a bit disappointed in the recorded performance.  It feels very stiff and rushed.  I don't know if it's because of the editing, or if they really did rush it.  There is no time between scenes.   It feels like the short period where the audience applauds the end of the song and the next scene is set is missing.

Also, the sound quality is good, but a bit flat.  It sounds like a studio recording.


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This may (or not) explain the flow of the movie. I understand that the movie is actually 3 performances - 1 with an audience and the other 2 without and were done for close-ups - those 'tight' shots where I suspect the camera men were actually on-stage with the actors.
 
2020-07-06 4:05:13 PM  
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THATS HER OFFICER, THAT'S THE PERSON THAT DOESN'T LOVE DISNEY'S "HAMILTON"
 
2020-07-06 4:10:32 PM  
 
2020-07-06 6:31:52 PM  

El Uno Magnifico: Hamilton is best viewed as what it is: an American version of a Greek heroic tragedy told through a hip-hop lens. That's what it was designed to be, and that's what it is most capable of being. Everything else is incidental.


Cultural Appropriation!
 
2020-07-06 8:16:11 PM  
My two-word review: musicals suck.
 
2020-07-06 8:27:34 PM  

AeAe: Glorious Golden Ass: I'm at the intermission.  I have not seen it live.  I have listened to the soundtrack many times and loved it.

I am a bit disappointed in the recorded performance.  It feels very stiff and rushed.  I don't know if it's because of the editing, or if they really did rush it.  There is no time between scenes.   It feels like the short period where the audience applauds the end of the song and the next scene is set is missing.

Also, the sound quality is good, but a bit flat.  It sounds like a studio recording.

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This may (or not) explain the flow of the movie. I understand that the movie is actually 3 performances - 1 with an audience and the other 2 without and were done for close-ups - those 'tight' shots where I suspect the camera men were actually on-stage with the actors.


That would make more sense to me.  I watch a few recorded performances of other musicals, but they are usually shot during a live performance from a camera in the mezzanine and maybe one camera in the middle of the lower level for focused shots when the action is on two performers.  It's just different is all.
 
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