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2020-07-05 9:02:42 PM  
It was inevitable really once the 1997 handover occurred. Anyone who thought China would honour a vassal state's democratic rights were fooling themselves. Of course, an American Pussy Ass B*tch in the oval office sped things along nicely for China.
 
2020-07-05 9:04:10 PM  
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2020-07-05 9:08:45 PM  
But will businesses flee?
 
2020-07-05 9:15:15 PM  
By this time next year, it will be illegal to even suggest that Hong Kong was ever not part of Chinese Beijing.

/this is why HOI 4 is banned over there
 
2020-07-05 10:50:35 PM  
TIL Xi's daughter is named... MINGZE.  Holy crap that is unfortunate and LOL pubes
 
2020-07-05 10:52:17 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: But will businesses flee?


Heh. Capitalism has zero use for principled action if it affects quarterlies more than a blip.
 
2020-07-05 11:23:23 PM  
If only there was some way our country could put up some sort of political pressure but NO HER F*CKING EMAILS ARE SO GODDAMN IMPORTANT YOU FARTKNOCKING MORONS.
 
2020-07-05 11:51:33 PM  

bdub77: If only there was some way our country could put up some sort of political pressure but NO HER F*CKING EMAILS ARE SO GODDAMN IMPORTANT YOU FARTKNOCKING MORONS.


Other countries aren't doing much of anything either, and would another president produced by our current class and system really take any action?  If we had a different president, I think you'd get a speech saying how unfortunate it is.  "Please, China, be better", then nothing.

I'd love to be wrong, but I haven't seen any indication that western politicians care enough that they would do something that might slow the accumulation of profits, even by a little bit.  Look how quickly the NBA shut down Daryl Morey, over a critical tweet.

Trump sucks, but the whole world is failing this test, while revealing our priorities, and they've been failing at it for quite some time.
 
2020-07-06 12:31:13 AM  

gameshowhost: AliceBToklasLives: But will businesses flee?

Heh. Capitalism has zero use for principled action if it affects quarterlies more than a blip.


Which is ofd when you consider the fact that corporations are people with right the commercial speech, political speech and religious freedom.
 
2020-07-06 2:25:29 AM  
I don't really know what to tell anyone in Hong Kong. I mean, this sucks. But we all saw it coming.

You could take your chances in a post-Brexit England, but f*ck that.

Maybe charter a boat and head to Micronesia?
 
2020-07-06 2:29:14 AM  
You know who else had a thing for purging books?
 
2020-07-06 2:32:47 AM  
It will be interesting to see what the exodus looks like. Macau was a post-apocalyptic ghost town a few months before the take over. Everyone who could have and wanted to fled.

HKK was much more entrenched and worldly. And with the 50 year agreement people were content to sleep-walk into the future. Now that the shiat has finally hit the fan I expect something similar to Macau until HKK is just another Chinese city repopulated with mainlanders.
 
2020-07-06 2:34:08 AM  
Well they got an extra 20 years. More than I expected. But I'm taking this as Xi being under a lot of pressure. He can't do anything about the pandemic or the trade war gutting the economy but he can do something about this.
 
2020-07-06 2:34:22 AM  

Naido: bdub77: If only there was some way our country could put up some sort of political pressure but NO HER F*CKING EMAILS ARE SO GODDAMN IMPORTANT YOU FARTKNOCKING MORONS.

Other countries aren't doing much of anything either, and would another president produced by our current class and system really take any action?  If we had a different president, I think you'd get a speech saying how unfortunate it is.  "Please, China, be better", then nothing.

I'd love to be wrong, but I haven't seen any indication that western politicians care enough that they would do something that might slow the accumulation of profits, even by a little bit.  Look how quickly the NBA shut down Daryl Morey, over a critical tweet.

Trump sucks, but the whole world is failing this test, while revealing our priorities, and they've been failing at it for quite some time.


To paraphrase Eddie Izzard, the world only cares if an oppressive regime is killing people outside its own borders.
 
2020-07-06 2:42:28 AM  
So, where do global firms turn? Singapore, maybe? Kuala Lumpur?
 
2020-07-06 2:45:12 AM  

Shaggy_C: So, where do global firms turn? Singapore, maybe? Kuala Lumpur?


Dehli.
 
2020-07-06 2:46:30 AM  

FarkaDark: You know who else had a thing for purging books?


Ray Bradbury?
 
2020-07-06 2:48:37 AM  
Leave the lights on, water running, and change the billing address to Beijing.
 
2020-07-06 2:51:31 AM  

Sandelaphon: Leave the lights on, water running, and change the billing address to Beijing.


I mean, they'll just make Africa pay for it.
 
2020-07-06 2:54:22 AM  
China is like Trump.  It does whatever the fark it wants, because it knows no one will so shiat to stop it.

Oh, look, more concerned letters of protest.  Yawn.
 
2020-07-06 2:54:32 AM  
I mean, we all saw Australia bump it's defense budget up by a couple billion dollars.

You think China is stopping at Hong Kong and Taiwan?
 
2020-07-06 2:55:59 AM  

FarkaDark: You know who else had a thing for purging books?


Qin Shi Huang?
 
2020-07-06 2:57:17 AM  
Only tangentially related, but I was just watching this youtuber's "Why I'm leaving China for good video". Some interesting stuff in there.

Why I left China for Good!
Youtube nWgqdfAomVI
 
2020-07-06 2:59:28 AM  

Naido: bdub77: If only there was some way our country could put up some sort of political pressure but NO HER F*CKING EMAILS ARE SO GODDAMN IMPORTANT YOU FARTKNOCKING MORONS.

Other countries aren't doing much of anything either, and would another president produced by our current class and system really take any action?  If we had a different president, I think you'd get a speech saying how unfortunate it is.  "Please, China, be better", then nothing.

I'd love to be wrong, but I haven't seen any indication that western politicians care enough that they would do something that might slow the accumulation of profits, even by a little bit.  Look how quickly the NBA shut down Daryl Morey, over a critical tweet.

Trump sucks, but the whole world is failing this test, while revealing our priorities, and they've been failing at it for quite some time.


Literally all of the counties who might lead the way are dealing with foreign backed right-wing isolationist bullshiat.  If any one of them stepped up and actually got involved probably all of them would have, IF they could be relatively certain that all the rest would.  Since they KNOW the current US government would leave them hanging in the wind...none of them have.  So yeah, I think it might have made a difference.
 
2020-07-06 3:01:50 AM  

Kalashinator: FarkaDark: You know who else had a thing for purging books?

Qin Shi Huang?


I had to google it, but that is a really good answer.

+1, would smart again.
 
2020-07-06 3:11:02 AM  
It'd be easy for the US to help lead retaliatory action.

Taiwan? You know who else is having problems with China? India. Who else? Vietnam. Add in the EU backing, Canada, Mexico, Japan, and Korea, and there you go.

A collective effort across a global economy, especially with more manufacturing expected to move to SE Asia and India + Vietnam developing, could really harsh China's buzz.
 
2020-07-06 3:12:56 AM  
This was coming and all the protests in the world wasn't going to stop it. The people of HK are on their own. China already has lists of some of the main leaders/organizers of the protests and you bet your ass they will be imprisoned in mainland China. I hate 45* but this is outside of our scope of action except for economic sanctions which will hit Americans in the pocketbook for all the cheap gadgets we buy. So basically, ain't happening.

The real question is what happens if/when they move on Taiwan. That will get real ugly real fast.
 
2020-07-06 3:20:44 AM  
It took easily the weakest American president in our history to make this easy for them. Candy taken from a baby. A British government in complete, incompetent disarray certainly didn't help.
 
2020-07-06 3:22:19 AM  

bdub77: If only there was some way our country could put up some sort of political pressure but NO HER F*CKING EMAILS ARE SO GODDAMN IMPORTANT YOU FARTKNOCKING MORONS.


You mean like a Trans-Pacific Partnership that the US could become a member of and that could be used as a strategic alliance to keep some sort of influence over China and embiggen their regional neighbours?

Well, if only someone came up with such a clever idea, I bet that would work out just fine!
 
2020-07-06 3:22:33 AM  
What comes next?  Forcing kids to murder all of their teachers?
 
2020-07-06 3:26:07 AM  

Sexy Jesus: What comes next?  Forcing kids to murder all of their teachers?


And you win the trophy.
 
2020-07-06 3:37:20 AM  
When Hong Kong was handed back to China, Hong Kong's GDP was almost 20% that of mainland China.  The city was China's golden goose, and Hong Kongers thought the massive wealth they generated for China every year would be enough to convince Beijing to keep the goose alive.  The problem, though, is that Hong Kong's GDP is now less than 2% of China's GDP.  Hong Kong lost all their economic leverage, and now they're doomed.
 
2020-07-06 4:12:56 AM  

BafflerMeal: Only tangentially related, but I was just watching this youtuber's "Why I'm leaving China for good video". Some interesting stuff in there.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/nWgqdfAo​mVI]


I have been follow him and his mate for years, they both provided great insight into life in China.  Ultimately the CCP doesn't like that much.
 
2020-07-06 4:30:20 AM  

positronica: When Hong Kong was handed back to China, Hong Kong's GDP was almost 20% that of mainland China.  The city was China's golden goose, and Hong Kongers thought the massive wealth they generated for China every year would be enough to convince Beijing to keep the goose alive.  The problem, though, is that Hong Kong's GDP is now less than 2% of China's GDP.  Hong Kong lost all their economic leverage, and now they're doomed.


And yet, Hong Kong continues, to this day, to be one of the premier destinations for Chinese officials and businesspeople to launder their dirty money, and is the only significant outlet for the "international" use of China's currency, the Renminbi.
 
2020-07-06 4:35:25 AM  

DannyBrandt: Dehli.


Delhi isn't a port city and it's on the wrong side of the Indian subcontinent. So...No. You could maybe make an argument for Kolkota, but even if you solve the geographic hurdle, India is not exactly a great place to do business. Same reason you don't want to go to Jakarta. Now, Manila might be an interesting option...You've got the ex-US colony ties, so it has some favourable trade treatment, but it's also got the political autocracy of Indonesia, so quite a bit of risk...

If I had to go for one I think I'd still stick with Singapore. It's basically the Dubai of the East.
 
2020-07-06 4:39:19 AM  

Naido: bdub77: If only there was some way our country could put up some sort of political pressure but NO HER F*CKING EMAILS ARE SO GODDAMN IMPORTANT YOU FARTKNOCKING MORONS.

Other countries aren't doing much of anything either, and would another president produced by our current class and system really take any action?  If we had a different president, I think you'd get a speech saying how unfortunate it is.  "Please, China, be better", then nothing.

I'd love to be wrong, but I haven't seen any indication that western politicians care enough that they would do something that might slow the accumulation of profits, even by a little bit.  Look how quickly the NBA shut down Daryl Morey, over a critical tweet.

Trump sucks, but the whole world is failing this test, while revealing our priorities, and they've been failing at it for quite some time.


Well if you define offering residency rights and a path to citizenship 'nothing' then sure, other countries are doing 'nothing'.
Funny how the UK is doing more to help HKers flee an oppressive regime than the US does for the DREAMers.
 
2020-07-06 4:46:34 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: Well if you define offering residency rights and a path to citizenship 'nothing' then sure, other countries are doing 'nothing'.
Funny how the UK is doing more to help HKers flee an oppressive regime than the US does for the DREAMers.


It's quite common for a parent country to allow the citizens of its former colonies to repatriate to the 'mother country' even after granting independence. The UK allowed unrestricted immigration to Commonwealth citizens for at least 20 years after WWII.

The Dreamers are not part of an American colony, they are illegal immigrants who are the children of illegal immigrants. The grounds for giving them clemency for crimes committed when they were children is an altogether different situation, not least of all because Mexico as a state does not 'oppress' people with political persecution.
 
2020-07-06 5:01:49 AM  
The Chinese Stasi are cruel, but efficient
 
2020-07-06 5:07:43 AM  
Book bannings already.

2020 is off the chain.
 
2020-07-06 5:33:51 AM  
UK is selling BS , their offer to take refuge is just extending temporary visa's with a express line for "qualified" immigrant aka people with a bachelors degree.

80% of those protesting in the street wont qualify for permanent stay in the UK.
 
2020-07-06 5:35:53 AM  

Sexy Jesus: What comes next?  Forcing kids to murder all of their teachers?


Considering China has done exactly that in my lifetime...not off the table, I'd say.

/only book they need is little and red, apparently
 
2020-07-06 7:19:10 AM  

Kalashinator: FarkaDark: You know who else had a thing for purging books?

Qin Shi Huang?


Thank you, I never get to post this

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2020-07-06 9:05:46 AM  
Last one out, set off the demolition charges.
 
2020-07-06 9:14:25 AM  

Sexy Jesus: What comes next? Forcing kids to murder all of their teachers?


Ask an Armenian.
 
2020-07-06 10:06:26 AM  
Anyone who can leave, will do so.  Beijing can biatch all it wants.   Hong Kongers for now have freedom of movement.  Most will leave for the UK or the commonweath, the US or Taiwan.  Pretty much every Hong Konger I ever met have relatives in these countries and can easily get papers to leave if push comes to shove.  Taiwan offered to take a lot of these people as it pisses off Beijing.  And the more visible democracy advocates - a few have already fled to Taiwan and won't come back due to risk of arrest.

Hong Kong will not be a ghost town.  It will be filled with Mainland immigrants.  Many are from southern China and speak Cantonese which makes it easier to fit in.  They won't biatch about politics like the native Hong Kongers.  The change in education, culture and attitude was gradual but discernable since 1997. It was already becoming another Mainland city.  However, the security law does vastly speed up what was inevitable.

As a foreigner who worked in Mainland but lived and stayed in Hong Kong at different times throughout the past 2 decades, the difference from Hong Kong and the Mainland was amazing. Hong Kong was a necessary "safe haven" for the most part.  In many ways it was no different than a city in Canada, Australia or the UK. It had the best of the West and China. Efficient bureacracy, low corruption, excellent common law system, low crime, clean city and possibly the best public transport system in the world.  Living there, you can hop to Manila, Jakarta, Bangkok, Taipei, KL, Singapore in a couple hour flight.  However, post 1997, particurly in the past decade, one could tell many of the Mainland inefficiencies were creeping into the system - higher corruption, more stuff breaking down (although still a world class city no doubt), etc.

Anyhow in HK still you were away from the totalitarian nuttiness of China.  You could read anything and say anything, surf the internet freely which was a big relief. If you had a beef with China due to politics, or bribes/taxes, or pissing off a local Chinese businessman or official, you were largely safe once you got across the border.  And believe me, that's an incredibly common situation.

Now it's all shiat.  It's just another crummy Mainland town.
 
2020-07-06 11:12:36 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Anyone who can leave, will do so.  Beijing can biatch all it wants.   Hong Kongers for now have freedom of movement.  Most will leave for the UK or the commonweath, the US or Taiwan.  Pretty much every Hong Konger I ever met have relatives in these countries and can easily get papers to leave if push comes to shove.  Taiwan offered to take a lot of these people as it pisses off Beijing.  And the more visible democracy advocates - a few have already fled to Taiwan and won't come back due to risk of arrest.

Hong Kong will not be a ghost town.  It will be filled with Mainland immigrants.  Many are from southern China and speak Cantonese which makes it easier to fit in.  They won't biatch about politics like the native Hong Kongers.  The change in education, culture and attitude was gradual but discernable since 1997. It was already becoming another Mainland city.  However, the security law does vastly speed up what was inevitable.

As a foreigner who worked in Mainland but lived and stayed in Hong Kong at different times throughout the past 2 decades, the difference from Hong Kong and the Mainland was amazing. Hong Kong was a necessary "safe haven" for the most part.  In many ways it was no different than a city in Canada, Australia or the UK. It had the best of the West and China. Efficient bureacracy, low corruption, excellent common law system, low crime, clean city and possibly the best public transport system in the world.  Living there, you can hop to Manila, Jakarta, Bangkok, Taipei, KL, Singapore in a couple hour flight.  However, post 1997, particurly in the past decade, one could tell many of the Mainland inefficiencies were creeping into the system - higher corruption, more stuff breaking down (although still a world class city no doubt), etc.

Anyhow in HK still you were away from the totalitarian nuttiness of China.  You could read anything and say anything, surf the internet freely which was a big relief. If you had a beef with China due to politics, or ...


Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown now.
 
2020-07-06 11:18:10 AM  
I took my then girlfriend Mrs. binSmokin to Honk Kong in 2004 for 2 weeks.  We had no plans, just wanted to go as far away from Oklahoma as we could get culturally and distance wise.

We had a ton of fun and went to Macau, Shenzen, & Guangzhou.   Leaving Honk Kong for Shenzen, a city of 2500 people in 1978 and when I visited in 2004 a city of 20,000,000+.

In Tulsa we have the BOK/Williams Tower. A 55 story building a half replica of the former World Trade Towers.  We got to Chink and saw 100 BOK towers being built in every direction.

It felt like that scene in Flags for our fathers when the Japanese man was sent to America and he realized how farked Japan was in the war.

Honk Kong as a free city was amazing. I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to go back again now.

The snake wine was great and I still have a bottle in my garage with the snakes in it.
 
2020-07-06 6:45:00 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: gameshowhost: AliceBToklasLives: But will businesses flee?

Heh. Capitalism has zero use for principled action if it affects quarterlies more than a blip.

Which is ofd when you consider the fact that corporations are people with right the commercial speech, political speech and religious freedom.


Yep.

As an aside I'm kinda surprised no one brought up Hong Kong's ~1/5th of the population's impoverished citizens, living in tent city squalor, underneath all the shiny capitalism stuff.

I wonder if those 1.3m folks who scrounge for food and shelter will even notice the disappearance of the freedoms they were unable to take advantage of, thanks to capitalism's human disposal mechanism.
 
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