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2020-07-05 10:02:15 AM  
138 votes:
These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.
 
2020-07-05 11:58:28 AM  
96 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


One battle at a time.
 
2020-07-05 2:44:05 PM  
81 votes:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


No.

1. The recession already began in February before anything had been shut down prior to the coronavirus.

Therefore, this is Trump's recession. He created it, not the coronavirus.

2. It is true the shutdowns from the coronavirus has exacerbated the recession mightily. This is also Donald Trump's fault as if he had been an actual president, instead of just playing on on television, he would have instituted a quarantine in February or March, shut everything down, and then we could be coming out of this NOW, as Europe and Asia are, with far fewer job losses.

Therefore, the depth of the recession, the spike in unemployment, is entirely Trump's fault.

QED
 
2020-07-05 3:00:58 PM  
51 votes:
I woke up this morning with a rare feeling. I was depressed.

It took me a bit to sort it out but I realized it was the Bunkie shiat over the weekend. The 14 flags on the Nazi stage, the further dividing of out country with his speech, the detailed description of the killing machines as they flew over. For one they detailed how many bullets per minute then broke it down to seconds.

It is the birthday of all Americans and most were not invited. It is supposed to be uplifting and uniting. This was the polar opposite.

Then the rendition of America The Beautiful (it's supposed to be uplifting) slowed down to almost a funeral song. I'm not a musician but it sounded like they went for the minor key instead of the major.

The entire weekend has been playing in my head like a bad movie. Then the Karen at 7-11 yelling at the clerk about a mask.

I'm better now. This post helped.

Thanks for listening.
 
2020-07-05 1:07:25 PM  
44 votes:

nekom: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

One battle at a time.


It will take a very long time for conservative Americans to forget how badly Trump f$cked up the entire country.  At least 2 years.
 
2020-07-05 12:06:38 PM  
44 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


If Trump loses in November, the GOP will be too busy in-fighting for awhile to focus on the Dems.
 
2020-07-05 3:02:08 PM  
35 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


They have publicly said their singular mission is to defeat Trump and his enables (Senate and congressional Republicans).  They are Republicans who see Trump as destroying the party and the country they loved and Congressional R's empowering Trump.  They see it as their patriotic and civic duty to clean up their own house.

Yes, it is their hope to some day be able to be Republicans again and debate Democrats on tax policy or whatever.  As a Democrat, it is my hope we can return to that day as well--it will be a sign the existential threat to our democracy has passed..  Today is not that day.
 
2020-07-05 12:54:15 PM  
30 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


I think I read that they are also going after his enablers. So the ones that aren't up in this cycle, but are up in 2022, and any special elections. We'll see about 2024 if Biden wins.
 
2020-07-05 3:08:32 PM  
28 votes:

PlaidJaguar: I don't understand why TLP is wasting resources on ads designed to appeal to Democrats.

It specifically mentions hispanic and African-American unemployment both being up, but Republicans view that as a good thing - get the minorities out of the work force so Cletus can get the job they stole from him with affirmative action


The Lincoln Project's target audience isn't Republican racists - it is the wing of the Republican base that ISN'T racistand is uncomfortable at the Party's clear shift to being openly racist.  The "Suburban women" demographic we keep hearing about, etc.  BLM movement is enjoying 80% approval these days... that means there are Republicans which agree with BLM in additon to Dems and Indy's.  

Lincoln Project talks to those Republicans how don't want to be racist and say "it is ok to still call yourself a Republican and be anti-racist, but you have to do it by kicking the racists out of the Republican Party.  Join us in doing that."
 
2020-07-05 3:16:17 PM  
25 votes:
As a Dem, i can't stress enough how impactful it is to have members of the Republican Party talking to other members of the Republican Party in attempt to change minds.  In these highly politicized times, people take signals from party leaders.  Up until now, party leadership in the GOP has been largely saying 'stick with Trump'.  Lincoln project has created a center of gravity for GOP leaders to start to push back in a coordinated way.  It won't replace the need for Biden to talk to independents or the DNC to talk to the Dem base, etc.  But talking to the GOP is one important tool in the tool box.

Think about the equivalent on the Dem side for issues, for example:  The Dem Party and most of its candidates were largely against Gay Marriage for much of the 2000's.  Then in 2012~ish (forgive me I forget the exact date) Obama makes a big announcement openly supporting it, and there was a sudden 10+ point jump in support of Gay Marriage within Dem party base public opinion polling.  People saw the signal it was OK to change their minds and they took the chance.

"I am a Republican, I oppose Trump" is a powerful message to those who aren't comfortable with Trump.
 
2020-07-05 1:41:18 PM  
25 votes:
Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.
 
2020-07-05 3:46:08 PM  
23 votes:

Peter Weyland: OceanVortex: The people involved HAVE been speaking up for years. Rick Wilson famously coined the phrase "everything Trump touches dies" which was a NYT best seller book. Joe Walsh tried to primary Trump but the RNC changed the primary rules to block him. They finally scraped together enough $$$ to start running ads, sure. I bet they would have liked to have been running ads for 5 years as well, but you go to war with the army you have, as they say.

Yeah but not the Lincoln Project, which is what we're discussing here.


The people I named are part of the Lincoln Project.  Rick Wilson is the person writing copy for the ads.

These people who founded it aren't the normal GOP grifters who sucked up to Trump, got cast out, then suddenly switched to be pro-Dem so they could make some cash on TV appearances since the GOP wouldn't take them any more like Scaramoochi, Michael Cohen, etc.    Rick Wilson and the other founders have been 'never trump' since the beginning, even when Trumpism was truly politically unstoppable.

I'm not saying they are saints.  I disagree with nearly every political position they hold.  I look forward to being able to argue against their views some day.

But for today - let's not call them names for agreeing with us, ok?  

DON'T SIGNAL TO OTHER REPUBLICANS THAT THEY WILL BE MOCKED FOR OPPOSING TRUMP.

If you want to win, thank a Republican for changing their mind  and ask them to help change the minds of their friends too.
 
2020-07-05 3:33:56 PM  
23 votes:
Man, I never thought when I woke up this morning I'd be spending my afternoon defending republicans on the internet, but I guess that's 2020 for you.

Look, everyone:  Take a breath and realize THIS IS WHAT WE WANT.

We want a world in which Republicans wake up and go "Hmmm... Trump IS evil!  I should vote against him!"

As Democrats, we have two options:
1)  Yell "Screw you for not figuring that out sooner, loser!"
or
2) Thanks for acknowledging that, it must have been tough for you to speak up like that.  Now join us as we go save Democracy together!


Which tactic do you think will provide the result you want in November?
 
2020-07-05 3:10:09 PM  
20 votes:

Shaggy_C: stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.

Yes, there is tons of hypocrisy involved. Politics isn't about being right or even coherent, it's about swaying stupid people to vote for you through appeals to emotion.

These ads aren't made for thinking  people, but that won't stop the "rah rah team" types from eating them up.


I can and do blame a lack of leadership.  A coordinated response would have allowed a shorter shutdown with much better effect.  Instead, we got denial of reality and a patchwork response with mixed results.
 
2020-07-05 3:04:28 PM  
19 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Stalin wasn't a saint, but you go to war with the allies you have, not the allies you wish you had.
 
2020-07-05 3:23:15 PM  
18 votes:

Utter Genius: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Not quite, the further goal of the Lincoln Project is to slide the Dems rightwards, functionally transforming them into "Republicans with Manners". You might beat Trump in November, but is it really worth it if your party sells its soul to do so?


You might be disingenuous, but I'll take you at face value here and assume this is an honest sentiment you are expressing.

How is that possibly the right thing to say?  For 5 years now, we Democrats have been jumping up and down shouting "Why won't these so-called 'Constitution Loving Republicans' stand up to Trump?"  well, they finally do and now we are complaining about it?
 
2020-07-05 3:05:15 PM  
18 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Also, as a tactic, that is the point:  Dems and independents already realize Trump is bad.  They already are voting against them.  The final need is for a handful of Republicans to realize realize he is bad and give him the psychological permission to vote against Trump and still not threaten their internalized Republican identity is key to a landslide and truly defeating Trumpism.

It was like Roy Moore - the most important part of the closing week of that campaign was when prominent Republicans came out against him.  It allowed some in the rank-and-file Republican voters to see it was ok to Vote for a Dem (or choose to not vote at all).  Tribal signaling is important.
 
2020-07-05 1:47:12 PM  
18 votes:
An historic ..... not A historic.
 
2020-07-05 3:27:36 PM  
17 votes:

qorkfiend: Anyone happen to recall why Obama made a public show of supporting it?


I DO!

It's because his Vice President came out in support of gay marriage. Now, who was that guy, and why doesn't he get celebrated as the person who really dragged the Democratic Party out of the ditch on that one?
 
2020-07-05 11:33:36 AM  
17 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Actually it is reported that the Project is a mix from both parties.
 
2020-07-05 3:17:53 PM  
16 votes:

mrshowrules: It will take a very long time for conservative Americans to forget how badly Trump f$cked up the entire country.  At least 2 years.


Every response to any word from any republican for the next 100 years should be "trump" followed by a punch in to face.  The gop has lost its right to speak or even pretend to by American.
 
2020-07-05 3:11:04 PM  
15 votes:

Blahbbs: Are we sure that the Lincoln Project isn't just a front to fleece Democrats out of donations? I guess I'd never paid much attention to the pleas for donations at the end until today.


Thus far, they have been more effective at getting in Trump's head, the RNC's head, and Fox News's head than anything any Dem Party ad has done.  By 'in the head' I mean Trump has tweeted about it and said more unpopular things in response to it.  Seems to be the single best investment one could make over the last month, actually.    Heck, Republican Super Pacs have started running ads AGAINST the Lincoln Project... the first time in American history one super pac has ran ads against another.
 
2020-07-05 3:06:55 PM  
15 votes:

saturn badger: I'm better now. This post helped.

Thanks for listening.


Know that you are not alone. Together, we will get through it. Sometimes I need to turn off my device and just sit outside and watch the birds for a while to get my brain back into a happy place.
 
2020-07-05 2:04:36 PM  
15 votes:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


It's an election year so the President gets all the blame or praise, depending on what team they play for.
 
2020-07-05 3:03:42 PM  
14 votes:

saturn badger: I woke up this morning with a rare feeling. I was depressed.

It took me a bit to sort it out but I realized it was the Bunkie shiat over the weekend. The 14 flags on the Nazi stage, the further dividing of out country with his speech, the detailed description of the killing machines as they flew over. For one they detailed how many bullets per minute then broke it down to seconds.

It is the birthday of all Americans and most were not invited. It is supposed to be uplifting and uniting. This was the polar opposite.

Then the rendition of America The Beautiful (it's supposed to be uplifting) slowed down to almost a funeral song. I'm not a musician but it sounded like they went for the minor key instead of the major.

The entire weekend has been playing in my head like a bad movie. Then the Karen at 7-11 yelling at the clerk about a mask.

I'm better now. This post helped.

Thanks for listening.


It's tough for a lot of people right now. It's almost like we are watching the last days of the American empire. I wonder if the Brits, Ottomans, or Romans felt like this when their empire days were clearly numbered.
 
2020-07-05 3:56:14 PM  
13 votes:

Spartapuss: OceanVortex: Peter Weyland: Because the reason for their action is specious. If they really were that concerned about Trump's actions as POTUS, one would think their scrappy little operation would have been putting out ads for years.

The people involved HAVE been speaking up for years. Rick Wilson famously coined the phrase "everything Trump touches dies" which was a NYT best seller book.  Joe Walsh tried to primary Trump but the RNC changed the primary rules to block him.  They finally scraped together enough $$$ to start running ads, sure.  I bet they would have liked to have been running ads for 5 years as well, but you go to war with the army you have, as they say.

Joe Walsh has a hand in this? I can't find any evidence of that.


Check out Joe Walsh's twitter feed.  He is not only anti-Trump, but surprisingly woke on things like race at the moment.  He has actually apologized for supporting "all lives matter" and has chastised other Republicans, including McConnell, for not saying "Black Lives Matter"

I guess - it is people like him that give me hope.  He was a horrible human being as an elected official and head of the Tea Party movement, but having left the Fox News media bubble and looking around at what the real world looks like, he has been reflecting over the past few months how he has been wrong on a lot of important issues (especially race).   I'm sure I'd disagree with him on a lot of issues, but even acknowledging systemic racism exists and calling for change by someone like him is a huge psychological step.


Again, before you jump to arms and demand political purity from Joe Walsh and other Republicans for changing their minds... take a second and remember we want to make a welcoming home for them out here in the real world.  We want to encourage others to join and realize it is ok.

The time to ask tough questions like "why did it take so long?  How do we fix it so it doesn't happen again?"... those questions can come after November.  Let's let them come out into the sunlight and blink their eyes a bit before we all start shouting at them or we risk driving them back into the darkness for safety.
 
2020-07-05 3:19:55 PM  
13 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


[Black Widow]
We have an ally?

[Nick Fury]
Ultron has an enemy -- that's not the same thing.
 
2020-07-05 3:01:46 PM  
13 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: Trump loses in November, the GOP will be too busy in-fighting for awhile to focus on the Dems.


Fox News has no other reason for its existence than to focus on Dems.
 
2020-07-05 3:35:43 PM  
12 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


You know what? That's fine. I'm all for an America where Republicans and Democrats differ on issues like "should capital gains be taxed as regular income?" (Yes, unless they're from an IPO, by the way. Encourage investment in the future), or "should America repair the infrastructure it has, or invest in ultra-modern forms of transportation for people and goods?"

It's just really hard to have those types of discussions when one side is fixated on "are LGBTQ people actually people?" and "Can we ban all the members of a particular religion from being American?"
 
2020-07-05 3:31:56 PM  
12 votes:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


To a degree, death, unemployment, and economic hardship are inevitable with a pandemic of this scale . However ALL of those things are worse here in the US by a margin way too big to ignore.

So yes, it's his fault. Damn straight
 
2020-07-05 3:25:43 PM  
12 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


They haven't had to lie or obfuscate wrt Trump. That's why the ads work. If they find something truthful from which to base an attack on my party, I want to know about it.
 
2020-07-05 4:13:50 PM  
11 votes:
 
2020-07-05 3:41:23 PM  
11 votes:

JAGChem82: You're not going to get right wingers to go all wholesale with liberal norms and mores at the drop of a hat. The LP knows how to reel in right wingers to their cause better than liberals could ever do.

That commercial about the pro-life solider calling Trump a traitor? A liberal group wouldn't dare hire him for an attack ad, as they'd be too scared about endorsing a pro-life stance and running off liberals.

They will attack Trump being racist based on a cowardly/weak argument versus a cruel/evil one, for example.


BINGO!   In a time of culture ware, having those 'in your tribe' being able to speak the language to you and with you is super important.

This is why those KKK flyers pretending to be BLM flyers at the protests calling for race wars are instantly and laughably viewed as false by all Democrats.  These KKK members don't understand how Democrats speak to eachother so can't mimic it.
 
2020-07-05 3:31:20 PM  
11 votes:

Peter Weyland: Because the reason for their action is specious. If they really were that concerned about Trump's actions as POTUS, one would think their scrappy little operation would have been putting out ads for years.


The people involved HAVE been speaking up for years. Rick Wilson famously coined the phrase "everything Trump touches dies" which was a NYT best seller book.  Joe Walsh tried to primary Trump but the RNC changed the primary rules to block him.  They finally scraped together enough $$$ to start running ads, sure.  I bet they would have liked to have been running ads for 5 years as well, but you go to war with the army you have, as they say.
 
2020-07-05 3:27:48 PM  
11 votes:

qorkfiend: Think about the equivalent on the Dem side for issues, for example: The Dem Party and most of its candidates were largely against Gay Marriage for much of the 2000's. Then in 2012~ish (forgive me I forget the exact date) Obama makes a big announcement openly supporting it, and there was a sudden 10+ point jump in support of Gay Marriage within Dem party base public opinion polling. People saw the signal it was OK to change their minds and they took the chance.

"I am a Republican, I oppose Trump" is a powerful message to those who aren't comfortable with Trump.

Anyone happen to recall why Obama made a public show of supporting it?


Make no mistake, you are right that Obama 'changed his mind' on Gay Marriage because the polls were trending upwards in support.  I'm not claiming no one supported it, he spoke, then everyone did.

I'm saying the polls went from split support to double digit lead very quickly after he spoke up.  He released the tension in the Dem Party and a lot of people changed their minds quickly.

Pew Research poll shows going from 50% support to 65% support after he spoke.  That's a pretty big jump!

Imagine what 15% of the GOP base changing their mind on Trump would mean?
 
2020-07-05 3:26:10 PM  
11 votes:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


This regime decided to start a trade war with China, who makes a *lot* of things that are used to make other things. Durable and non durable goods orders had already been slowing down due to that, and I forget offhand just how many billions we paid out to soybean and other farmers to help them, because they all of a sudden had huge stockpiles of product that had no buyer.
Covid 19 only exacerbated an already bad problem that was unfolding.
 
2020-07-05 3:19:05 PM  
11 votes:

Shaggy_C: stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.

Yes, there is tons of hypocrisy involved. Politics isn't about being right or even coherent, it's about swaying stupid people to vote for you through appeals to emotion.

These ads aren't made for thinking  people, but that won't stop the "rah rah team" types from eating them up.


Germany is also having a pandemic I have heard.

But careful management by the government has kept their unemployment from passing 3.5% even once, so far.

Other developed nations have kept their rates at around half of what ours have been.

And we are looking like we are in much much worse shape than them going forward as well. Because the government is mishandling both the crisis and the economy.
 
2020-07-05 3:17:42 PM  
11 votes:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


If Trump and co would have done a better job in the beginning and weren't thwarting every effort to contain it you may have a point. Like, in the middle of April maybe I would have agreed with you

As it stands, it's all on him
 
2020-07-05 4:14:23 PM  
10 votes:
The Democratic Party needs a loyal opposition. In other words, they need a Republican Party that isn't batshiat crazy. As utopian an idea as one-party rule sounds, it's not feasible. Checks and balances are necessary to keep government functioning, and right now, we don't have that. So, yeah, The Lincoln Project is important. I know the expression is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and while I wouldn't go so far as to call the Republican Party my friend, I'd rather someone my ideological opposite I can respect than someone I wish would die in a dumpster fire of rancid diapers and lamb vindaloo.

We need to flush Trump, Trumpism, and all his MAGAt followers down the toilet of history and get back to some semblance of normalcy. If that means working with The Lincoln Project, so be it. They're doing a better job of hammering Trump than the Democrats are right now, so, work with what you've got.
 
2020-07-05 3:55:20 PM  
10 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


People keep saying this, but they're forgetting something: A Democratic candidate WILL NOT have the amount of baggage that Trump has. Not even close. Trump has a laundry list of faults, flaws, gaffes, missteps, lies, crimes, and failures to draw from. They're hitting him this hard because, let's face it: He's easy prey. He's the worst President this country has ever seen, and he just keeps failing and stumbling and doubling-down on the hate speech and support of egotistical, stupid policies and plans.

A Democrat will have none of that. The Lincoln Project will have to actually work to tear them down.
 
2020-07-05 3:34:20 PM  
10 votes:

OceanVortex: Blahbbs: Are we sure that the Lincoln Project isn't just a front to fleece Democrats out of donations? I guess I'd never paid much attention to the pleas for donations at the end until today.

Thus far, they have been more effective at getting in Trump's head, the RNC's head, and Fox News's head than anything any Dem Party ad has done.  By 'in the head' I mean Trump has tweeted about it and said more unpopular things in response to it.  Seems to be the single best investment one could make over the last month, actually.    Heck, Republican Super Pacs have started running ads AGAINST the Lincoln Project... the first time in American history one super pac has ran ads against another.


And it lets Biden stay optimistic and out of the mud as much as possible.
 
2020-07-05 3:32:22 PM  
10 votes:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


In fairness, other countries shut down, managed their outbreak, and gradually and safely re-opened when they could, implementing shutdowns when new outbreaks occurred. They have had largely compliant populations with masks and distancing. They also had governments that weren't inflaming civil unrest and actively encouraging super spreader events as civic duty of loyal citizens.

My government isn't perfect, and has/is making mistakes, but we aren't going to take down the global economy and world order like Trump has willfully done, and continues to do despite ongoing evidence. Honestly, I joked that he was #TEAMCOVID-19 back in April, but in retrospect, I can't think of something he has done through action or inaction that hasn't made this situation worse, not just for Americans, but for humanity. This crisis really shows that we are all in this together, and isolationism is just an ill-considered strategy.
 
2020-07-05 3:29:52 PM  
10 votes:
It's funny. Anyone else and this would be accepted as at least partially beyond his control. But he's such a grandstanding, arrogant, narcissistic prick, backed by a bunch of assholes, that nobody gives a fark about the benefit of the doubt for him. He shot that concept straight to shiat before he even got elected, and deserves everything he gets.
 
2020-07-05 3:29:40 PM  
10 votes:

Peter Weyland: OceanVortex: Utter Genius: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Not quite, the further goal of the Lincoln Project is to slide the Dems rightwards, functionally transforming them into "Republicans with Manners". You might beat Trump in November, but is it really worth it if your party sells its soul to do so?

You might be disingenuous, but I'll take you at face value here and assume this is an honest sentiment you are expressing.

How is that possibly the right thing to say?  For 5 years now, we Democrats have been jumping up and down shouting "Why won't these so-called 'Constitution Loving Republicans' stand up to Trump?"  well, they finally do and now we are complaining about it?

Because the reason for their action is specious.  If they really were that concerned about Trump's actions as POTUS, one would think their scrappy little operation would have been putting out ads for years.


What for? Trump's not up for election in those other years.
 
2020-07-05 3:04:51 PM  
10 votes:
I don't understand why TLP is wasting resources on ads designed to appeal to Democrats.

It specifically mentions hispanic and African-American unemployment both being up, but Republicans view that as a good thing - get the minorities out of the work force so Cletus can get the job they stole from him with affirmative action
 
2020-07-05 3:31:42 PM  
9 votes:

psilocyberguy: An historic ..... not A historic.


Only if you're a peasant who drops their Hs.

Nobody says "istoric"
 
2020-07-05 3:27:51 PM  
9 votes:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


Economic slowdown was not inevitable once we had a pandemic. In fact it could have spurred economic activity by increasing the number of employees, in order to provide service while still doing so in a safe and responsible manner.

Increasing drop off opportunities and allowing for call in orders with employees getting the goods and loaders loading into trunks and whatnot could have changed the need to lay off workers and close shops. Working shifts and setting them up to not have direct interaction with other shifts and hiring more janitorial staff in order to ensure cleanliness would have helped too.

Understanding that taking this positions publicly would lower immediate profits but generate public trust and favor for a brand would have been smart.

Combined with an intelligent government response helping with transition costs and keeping those most affected (the service workers) with direct payments could have allowed a smooth transition and kept things chugging with minimal (because there definitely be some) disruption.

But as a country we lack top leadership that could see a different way of doing things other than "give the top 1% more money" and "grift, grift, grift, while ignoring the problem".

So we damaged the people, the economy, and public trust.
 
2020-07-05 1:04:57 PM  
9 votes:
It isn't unfair to blame Trump for every individual thing that was destroyed in the house just because happened to be President when he set it on fire.
 
2020-07-05 4:32:57 PM  
8 votes:

rolladuck: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

That's fine by me. Getting rid of Trump is progress.  Once the cult of personality is out of the way, a legitimate debate can happen.  If the Democrats don't let themselves get distracted by pie-in-the-sky fantasies, and work on making incremental progress, the "debate" is a formality.


Nope. The ONLY thing that the GOP has taken from these 3 1/2 years is:

"Well, now we know that a republican President can get away with ANYTHING and do whatever the fark he wants, but this Trump guy is too much a jibbering Adderall junkie to get much legislation passed. Let's dump him in '20 and then try to put in a republican in 2024 who's just as monstrous as Trump but WITH a brain."
 
2020-07-05 4:22:18 PM  
7 votes:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


With a national mask requirement a LOT of businesses could reopen safely...but Trump won't do that because reasons.
 
2020-07-05 2:20:37 PM  
7 votes:
 
2020-07-05 5:21:47 PM  
6 votes:

born_yesterday: Chromium_One: A coordinated response would have allowed a shorter shutdown with much better effect.


Name a single country where that's true.

No, not Korea, they don't count.  Or New Zealand.  Or any of the European countries, they're all out.  Or Canada.  Or...



Yeah!! It NEVER works, except everywhere it's been tried.

/"No way to prevent this", says only country where this happens regularly
 
2020-07-05 4:59:56 PM  
6 votes:

Shaggy_C: Tarl3k: With a national mask requirement a LOT of businesses could reopen safely...but Trump won't do that because reasons.

The "reasons" being the constitution. The federal government can only recommend masks, but not make them mandatory.


Alright, I got to ask: how does the Constitution prevent the federal government from requiring masks?
 
2020-07-05 4:47:55 PM  
6 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


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2020-07-05 4:41:54 PM  
6 votes:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


My financial advisors explained to me around August of last year that 2020 was going to be a biatch. Stocks weren't going to be in a good spot, and to basically hold on to your butts in 2020, and that was waaaay before Covid.

I think the ad works because Trump has hung so much on his numbers, and now they're all gone, and then he wanted things to reopen because of those same numbers, and now we have a major Covid surge in pursuit of those numbers.
 
2020-07-05 3:32:59 PM  
6 votes:

OceanVortex: As a Dem, i can't stress enough how impactful it is to have members of the Republican Party talking to other members of the Republican Party in attempt to change minds.  In these highly politicized times, people take signals from party leaders.  Up until now, party leadership in the GOP has been largely saying 'stick with Trump'.  Lincoln project has created a center of gravity for GOP leaders to start to push back in a coordinated way.  It won't replace the need for Biden to talk to independents or the DNC to talk to the Dem base, etc.  But talking to the GOP is one important tool in the tool box.

Think about the equivalent on the Dem side for issues, for example:  The Dem Party and most of its candidates were largely against Gay Marriage for much of the 2000's.  Then in 2012~ish (forgive me I forget the exact date) Obama makes a big announcement openly supporting it, and there was a sudden 10+ point jump in support of Gay Marriage within Dem party base public opinion polling.  People saw the signal it was OK to change their minds and they took the chance.

"I am a Republican, I oppose Trump" is a powerful message to those who aren't comfortable with Trump.


You're not going to get right wingers to go all wholesale with liberal norms and mores at the drop of a hat. The LP knows how to reel in right wingers to their cause better than liberals could ever do.

That commercial about the pro-life solider calling Trump a traitor? A liberal group wouldn't dare hire him for an attack ad, as they'd be too scared about endorsing a pro-life stance and running off liberals.

They will attack Trump being racist based on a cowardly/weak argument versus a cruel/evil one, for example.
 
2020-07-05 3:25:57 PM  
6 votes:

OceanVortex: Utter Genius: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Not quite, the further goal of the Lincoln Project is to slide the Dems rightwards, functionally transforming them into "Republicans with Manners". You might beat Trump in November, but is it really worth it if your party sells its soul to do so?

You might be disingenuous, but I'll take you at face value here and assume this is an honest sentiment you are expressing.

How is that possibly the right thing to say?  For 5 years now, we Democrats have been jumping up and down shouting "Why won't these so-called 'Constitution Loving Republicans' stand up to Trump?"  well, they finally do and now we are complaining about it?


Because the reason for their action is specious.  If they really were that concerned about Trump's actions as POTUS, one would think their scrappy little operation would have been putting out ads for years.
 
2020-07-05 3:03:12 PM  
6 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Sure. And?
 
2020-07-05 10:33:17 AM  
6 votes:

HallsOfMandos: A Lincoln Project ad once bit my sister.


Lincøln Prøject bites Kan be pretti nasti
 
2020-07-05 9:17:34 PM  
5 votes:
"They are making these ads for Democrats!  They don;t convince anyone else!"

Yeah, I'm not buying that, if that were true the RNC, Trumpers, the Club for Growth (the Kichs) and folks like Glenn Greenwald wouldn't ALL be freaking out about these ads.

Democrats love them because for 30 years our candidates have been pummeled by these types of ads and no one has sacked up and fought back in kind.  As a result we have seen an erosion of Democratic power at all levels of government.  Now these ads are coming out and they are not only going after Trump but all of Trumps enablers in Congress and it's God Damn glorious.  Watching these glass-jawed bullies yelp in pain at the first solid hit they have ever had is delightful.

If these ads were not effective the Club for Growth wouldn't be taking out multi-million dollar ad buys to attack a bunch of CONSULTANTS.  That's unheard of.  These ads are scaring Republicans shiatless they do not know how to deal with their own playbook being run against them.
 
2020-07-05 3:26:30 PM  
5 votes:

OceanVortex: Utter Genius: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Not quite, the further goal of the Lincoln Project is to slide the Dems rightwards, functionally transforming them into "Republicans with Manners". You might beat Trump in November, but is it really worth it if your party sells its soul to do so?

You might be disingenuous, but I'll take you at face value here and assume this is an honest sentiment you are expressing.

How is that possibly the right thing to say?  For 5 years now, we Democrats have been jumping up and down shouting "Why won't these so-called 'Constitution Loving Republicans' stand up to Trump?"  well, they finally do and now we are complaining about it?


Yes.  Bolded is the reason why.  Like complaining about Bolton releasing a book instead of testifying, or the parade of fired employees who suddenly have the wherewithal to speak out against the mendacity of Trump.  We're capable of recognizing ulterior motives.
 
2020-07-05 3:24:39 PM  
5 votes:

qorkfiend: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Sure. And?


Maybe keep that in mind before you give them your money, at least.

But yeah, meanwhile, rah rah and all that.

/Out of curiosity, is there a group of Democratic Donors throwing absolute bangers together that we *could* throw our money at?
 
2020-07-05 4:26:55 PM  
4 votes:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Yep. I'm seeing this too. Am I the only one who remembers the story about the Scorpion and the Frog?


The analogy makes sense if in the story the frog gets the scorpion to kill a snake who's imminently trying to eat him, and then hops away because he knows the scorpions sucks too. They aren't trying to hide they're Republican, and they're helping a hell of a lot more than the Intercept-y faction of liberals. So they're cool....for now
 
2020-07-05 3:15:58 PM  
4 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Not quite, the further goal of the Lincoln Project is to slide the Dems rightwards, functionally transforming them into "Republicans with Manners". You might beat Trump in November, but is it really worth it if your party sells its soul to do so?
 
2020-07-05 7:40:17 PM  
3 votes:

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: saturn badger: I woke up this morning with a rare feeling. I was depressed.

It took me a bit to sort it out but I realized it was the Bunkie shiat over the weekend. The 14 flags on the Nazi stage, the further dividing of out country with his speech, the detailed description of the killing machines as they flew over. For one they detailed how many bullets per minute then broke it down to seconds.

It is the birthday of all Americans and most were not invited. It is supposed to be uplifting and uniting. This was the polar opposite.

Then the rendition of America The Beautiful (it's supposed to be uplifting) slowed down to almost a funeral song. I'm not a musician but it sounded like they went for the minor key instead of the major.

The entire weekend has been playing in my head like a bad movie. Then the Karen at 7-11 yelling at the clerk about a mask.

I'm better now. This post helped.

Thanks for listening.

In case no one else replied, I'm a music nerd and it's one of the quarantine hobbies I've been busy with.  I think it was played in Eb major; I'm not sure, but it wasn't minor.  There are a lot of flats (notes lowered slightly in pitch) in this song which make it sound minor, though.  The part you thought was solemn may well have changed key to add more flats.  That slow selection is pretty common in orchestral music like this, to build up to the end, which usually switches back to the original, slightly happier key.

I'm the kid in band who listened to the teacher say "this song is what we call a minor key and you probably won't like it" and actually did...

Here's a fun rendition of the song in your minor key:

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Oddly fitting.


Then there's going from minor to major... like this Tool song:
Tool's Schism in Major Key
Youtube UojtFRMIp-Q
 
2020-07-05 5:40:52 PM  
3 votes:

dildo tontine: Denying that people are capable of change is as dumb as denying science and dehumanizing Republicans is downright sociopathic.


1. Trump never learns. In fact, he refuses to learn, because in his POV, learning is an admission that you were wrong in the first place.

2. I think it's not hyperbole to say that republicans have burned their Human Race Membership Cards long ago.

3. The only change the republicans have made over the years is that they've become even worse and aren't even trying to hide their vileness anymore. I can only shudder at what sort of yowling CHUDs "the republican base" are going to be like in '24 as they regard their defeated Trump as a martyred saint who sacrificed himself for their haircuts.
 
2020-07-05 5:37:48 PM  
3 votes:

fortheloveof: Shaggy_C: Tarl3k: With a national mask requirement a LOT of businesses could reopen safely...but Trump won't do that because reasons.

The "reasons" being the constitution. The federal government can only recommend masks, but not make them mandatory.

Alright, I got to ask: how does the Constitution prevent the federal government from requiring masks?


He/She may be hair splitting and trying to make the argument that only a state can make the requirement and not the federal government based upon a 10th amendment argument. However, the federal government (even under the National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U.S. 519 decision) could quite validly condition any additional state funding under Covid relief to a state requirement for masks.
 
2020-07-05 5:31:44 PM  
3 votes:

Shaggy_C: fortheloveof: How utterly boring. I was hoping against hope you would at least be creative and go with the first amendment. You might have actually had an argument there.

Sadly, "boring" and "legally correct" are good bedfellows. You want 1st amendment 'muh freedums!' argument you need to ask a Trumper.


He did.
 
2020-07-05 4:37:03 PM  
3 votes:

dildo tontine: I understand your concern but people are capable of change.


Nope. Not republicans.They're not people. They will only get worse.

Quote me on it and come back here in 2024. You'll be asking me if I'm a wizard.
 
2020-07-05 4:34:05 PM  
3 votes:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Yep. I'm seeing this too. Am I the only one who remembers the story about the Scorpion and the Frog?


I understand your concern but people are capable of change.  Elizabeth Warren was a Republican for example.  I don't expect any of these guys to become consistent liberal voices but I do applaud them for trying to stop the insanity that is taking over our country.  My hope is that they can create a center right party out of the ashes of the Republicans making it easier for the Democrats to move further left.
 
2020-07-05 4:28:15 PM  
3 votes:

Shaggy_C: Tarl3k: With a national mask requirement a LOT of businesses could reopen safely...but Trump won't do that because reasons.

The "reasons" being the constitution. The federal government can only recommend masks, but not make them mandatory.


If what you're suggesting is true then we could walk around with our dicks hanging out because pants and underwear would just be a suggestion
 
2020-07-05 4:22:23 PM  
3 votes:

Coco LaFemme: To Wish Impossible Things: Going to have to partially defend the orange one by saying covid would likely have resulted in massive job loss under any US president.

Now, he is to blame for downplaying it repeatedly, while failing to prepare, and failing to act to minimize the economic impact and duration of the crisis.  That all can be laid at his feet.

Well, yeah, this was going to happen if Hillary Clinton won or if Bernie had gotten the nomination and HE won. As you pointed out, however, the difference is how either Clinton or Sanders would have handled it compared to how Bunker Biatch has handled it. I don't think it's physically possible for Trump to have handled it worse aside from maybe, I don't know, publicly saying there are too many people living in this country and we need to cull the herd.


The White House response is "Learn to live with it."  Or not, as it may be you who is culled.
 
2020-07-05 3:57:43 PM  
3 votes:

Nadie_AZ: stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a
It's an election year so the President gets all the blame or praise, depending on what team they play for.


The president gets praise or blame during other years as well.  Typically nobody  pays for ads about it.

Then there's ads like this:


Gettysburg
Youtube u-NNLTcNSxA


It never mentions any politician by name.  Never advocates any political position from less than 150 years ago.  Just quotes a single great American in full context.  If that scores a significant hit on you: just resign.
 
2020-07-05 3:38:48 PM  
3 votes:

OceanVortex: qorkfiend: OceanVortex: qorkfiend: Think about the equivalent on the Dem side for issues, for example: The Dem Party and most of its candidates were largely against Gay Marriage for much of the 2000's. Then in 2012~ish (forgive me I forget the exact date) Obama makes a big announcement openly supporting it, and there was a sudden 10+ point jump in support of Gay Marriage within Dem party base public opinion polling. People saw the signal it was OK to change their minds and they took the chance.

"I am a Republican, I oppose Trump" is a powerful message to those who aren't comfortable with Trump.

Anyone happen to recall why Obama made a public show of supporting it?

Make no mistake, you are right that Obama 'changed his mind' on Gay Marriage because the polls were trending upwards in support.  I'm not claiming no one supported it, he spoke, then everyone did.

I'm saying the polls went from split support to double digit lead very quickly after he spoke up.  He released the tension in the Dem Party and a lot of people changed their minds quickly.

Pew Research poll shows going from 50% support to 65% support after he spoke.  That's a pretty big jump!

Imagine what 15% of the GOP base changing their mind on Trump would mean?

Right, I wasn't disputing any of that.

Cool.  [High Five]  :)


I was reminding people that the man who spurred Obama's open support was none other than Joe Biden.
 
2020-07-05 3:28:55 PM  
3 votes:
With all my naysaying having been said:

Goddamn are Conservatives better than Progressives at making ads.  It's not even a fair fight.
 
2020-07-05 3:21:19 PM  
3 votes:

OceanVortex: As a Dem, i can't stress enough how impactful it is to have members of the Republican Party talking to other members of the Republican Party in attempt to change minds.  In these highly politicized times, people take signals from party leaders.  Up until now, party leadership in the GOP has been largely saying 'stick with Trump'.  Lincoln project has created a center of gravity for GOP leaders to start to push back in a coordinated way.  It won't replace the need for Biden to talk to independents or the DNC to talk to the Dem base, etc.  But talking to the GOP is one important tool in the tool box.

Think about the equivalent on the Dem side for issues, for example:  The Dem Party and most of its candidates were largely against Gay Marriage for much of the 2000's.  Then in 2012~ish (forgive me I forget the exact date) Obama makes a big announcement openly supporting it, and there was a sudden 10+ point jump in support of Gay Marriage within Dem party base public opinion polling.  People saw the signal it was OK to change their minds and they took the chance.

"I am a Republican, I oppose Trump" is a powerful message to those who aren't comfortable with Trump.


Anyone happen to recall why Obama made a public show of supporting it?
 
2020-07-05 3:17:03 PM  
3 votes:

Chromium_One: A coordinated response would have allowed a shorter shutdown with much better effect.


Name a single country where that's true.

No, not Korea, they don't count.  Or New Zealand.  Or any of the European countries, they're all out.  Or Canada.  Or...
 
2020-07-05 10:16:30 AM  
3 votes:
A Lincoln Project ad once bit my sister.
 
2020-07-05 8:12:29 PM  
2 votes:

fortheloveof: stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.
..
Economic slowdown was not inevitable once we had a pandemic. In fact it could have spurred economic activity by increasing the number of employees, in order to provide service while still doing so in a safe and responsible manner.


Economic slowdown happened in US states that shut down early and states that didn't, partly because a lot of people had sense or fear and stayed in, worried about their jobs so they stopped disposable spending, retail and restaurant business dropped rapidly, and trade with China was already collapsing because they were doing shutdowns first.

But if you compare the US with Germany or other rich EU countries other than the UK, they have safety nets that protected laid-off workers and covered their medical care and food (either directly or through business subsidies); in the US, the Senate GOP and Trump Administration made sure that most of the money the House voted for doing the same here went to big corporations and generally to stockholders instead of workers.
 
2020-07-05 6:22:44 PM  
2 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


We had to team up with Stalin to defeat Hitler. This battle is more similar than I'd like to admit.
 
2020-07-05 6:09:12 PM  
2 votes:

mrshowrules: It isn't unfair to blame Trump for every individual thing that was destroyed in the house just because happened to be President when he set it on fire.


There were a lot of things that Trump wanted set on fire, but there were also a bunch of other arsonists - the Corporate Wing of the party wanted to maintain the low corporate taxes (which is what pushed the stock market up; it'll dive when Biden gets elected, and that's ok), and the overlapping Rich People Wing has maintained the low Rich People Tax Cuts from Bush43's administration all the way through Obama's and into Trump's.  The Fossil Fuel Pollution Wing (partial overlap with Corporate, but it also includes the Koch Bros' empire) has kept Scary Greenhouse Gas Regulations and Taxes away, also radically rolled back air and water pollution rules and given away mining and drilling rights on Federal and non-Federal land.
 
2020-07-05 5:56:38 PM  
2 votes:

saturn badger: I woke up this morning with a rare feeling. I was depressed.

It took me a bit to sort it out but I realized it was the Bunkie shiat over the weekend. The 14 flags on the Nazi stage, the further dividing of out country with his speech, the detailed description of the killing machines as they flew over. For one they detailed how many bullets per minute then broke it down to seconds.

It is the birthday of all Americans and most were not invited. It is supposed to be uplifting and uniting. This was the polar opposite.

Then the rendition of America The Beautiful (it's supposed to be uplifting) slowed down to almost a funeral song. I'm not a musician but it sounded like they went for the minor key instead of the major.

The entire weekend has been playing in my head like a bad movie. Then the Karen at 7-11 yelling at the clerk about a mask.

I'm better now. This post helped.

Thanks for listening.


In case no one else replied, I'm a music nerd and it's one of the quarantine hobbies I've been busy with.  I think it was played in Eb major; I'm not sure, but it wasn't minor.  There are a lot of flats (notes lowered slightly in pitch) in this song which make it sound minor, though.  The part you thought was solemn may well have changed key to add more flats.  That slow selection is pretty common in orchestral music like this, to build up to the end, which usually switches back to the original, slightly happier key.

I'm the kid in band who listened to the teacher say "this song is what we call a minor key and you probably won't like it" and actually did...

Here's a fun rendition of the song in your minor key:

MAJOR TO MINOR: What Does "America the Beautiful" Sound Like in a Minor Key?
Youtube mnyqeNn5QZs


Oddly fitting.
 
2020-07-05 5:33:16 PM  
2 votes:

psilocyberguy: An historic ..... not A historic.


When an American says 'an historic' with the fully-voiced 'h' it just sounds pretentious and forced. It adds no value whatsoever, except to appease some Anglophiles.
 
2020-07-05 5:22:26 PM  
2 votes:

Shaggy_C: TDWCom29: If what you're suggesting is true then we could walk around with our dicks hanging out because pants and underwear would just be a suggestion

Where's the federal law on dick-hanging? Oh, that's right, there is none. Because that is a state power.

fortheloveof: Alright, I got to ask: how does the Constitution prevent the federal government from requiring masks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Am​endment_to_the_United_States_Constitut​ion

There's no enumerated power for the Federal government in this case, and it would be hard to make a case for 'interstate commerce' when talking about an individual wearing a mask to go to their local store. It's a state power.


The Interstate Commerce Clause is ridiculously broad in interpretation.

This dude was growing wheat on his own property for the sole purpose of feeding his own animals.

He argued that it wasn't commerce, because no one was buying or selling the wheat. Even if it was commerce, he argued, it certainly wasn't interstate commerce, as the wheat never even left his property.

The SCOTUS essentially said his activity affected interstate commerce because he wasn't engaging in interstate commerce, thereby leaving wheat to the market that a farmer would usually buy.

That's kind of the seminal case on interstate commerce. Given that decision, never overturned as far as I know, masks in stores that actively sell items directly supplied, at least in part, by out of state sources would fall under the Clause in my opinion. Almost ANYTHING does.
 
2020-07-05 5:13:02 PM  
2 votes:

dildo tontine: Denying that people are capable of change is as dumb as denying science and dehumanizing Republicans is downright sociopathic.


People can change, and they can start by leaving the current Republican party. If they stay Republican, by definition, they have not changed.  There is no path for the Republican party to survive or reinvent itself as anything more than what it is today.
 
2020-07-05 4:47:21 PM  
2 votes:

Spartapuss: OceanVortex: OceanVortex: Walsh


I mean, how cool is this transformation? Maybe hope for America yet?

Joe Walsh in 2016:
10 Cops shot. You did this Obama. You did this liberals. You did this #BLM. Time to defend our Cops. Wake up.

and

BLM should be categorized as a hate group.


Then by June 2020:

June 2020:
This is what I briefly thought a few years ago. And then I realized I was wrong. BLM has made mistakes, but BLM's mission is something everyone should support: To make black lives matter as much as white lives. fark you Tucker for trying to make your viewers fear black people.

and
I used to do what Pence does here. Respond with "All lives matter." But I was wrong then, and Pence is wrong now. Saying "Black Lives Matter" is acknowledging that if George Floyd were white, he'd still be alive. Black lives simply want to be on equal footing. Shame on Pence.

Maybe it is a grift for him (I think not, but I don't know him), and certainly it is too little too late.  But still, if enough people in this country like him can admit they are wrong to have opposed BLM's mission, there is a chance at actual change in this country.

Good for him. I'm a believer in pathways through and his will be long. My post was about his role in The Lincoln Project though. Did you mean to highlight never Trumpers in general when you brought him up? I see nothing about him being a LP member.


Sorry, that was confusing post on my part:  I meant to highlight GOP taking tangible action against Trump.  Some like those in the Lincoln project running ads, others like Joe Walsh actively campaigning to primary him. Anything beyond a Susan Collins "statement of concern" but actual tangible action should be praised.

You are correct - to my knowledge, Joe Walsh isn't a member of the LP leadership team or anything, although he seems to be supportive of their efforts.
 
2020-07-05 4:38:55 PM  
2 votes:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: rolladuck: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

That's fine by me. Getting rid of Trump is progress.  Once the cult of personality is out of the way, a legitimate debate can happen.  If the Democrats don't let themselves get distracted by pie-in-the-sky fantasies, and work on making incremental progress, the "debate" is a formality.

Nope. The ONLY thing that the GOP has taken from these 3 1/2 years is:

"Well, now we know that a republican President can get away with ANYTHING and do whatever the fark he wants, but this Trump guy is too much a jibbering Adderall junkie to get much legislation passed. Let's dump him in '20 and then try to put in a republican in 2024 who's just as monstrous as Trump but WITH a brain."


Sure. We're going to have to do that anyway.
 
2020-07-05 4:26:40 PM  
2 votes:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


That's fine by me. Getting rid of Trump is progress.  Once the cult of personality is out of the way, a legitimate debate can happen.  If the Democrats don't let themselves get distracted by pie-in-the-sky fantasies, and work on making incremental progress, the "debate" is a formality.
 
2020-07-05 4:19:07 PM  
2 votes:

To Wish Impossible Things: Going to have to partially defend the orange one by saying covid would likely have resulted in massive job loss under any US president.

Now, he is to blame for downplaying it repeatedly, while failing to prepare, and failing to act to minimize the economic impact and duration of the crisis.  That all can be laid at his feet.


Well, yeah, this was going to happen if Hillary Clinton won or if Bernie had gotten the nomination and HE won. As you pointed out, however, the difference is how either Clinton or Sanders would have handled it compared to how Bunker Biatch has handled it. I don't think it's physically possible for Trump to have handled it worse aside from maybe, I don't know, publicly saying there are too many people living in this country and we need to cull the herd.
 
2020-07-05 1:06:03 PM  
2 votes:

HallsOfMandos: A Lincoln Project ad once bit my sister.


bitter?
 
2020-07-06 10:12:22 AM  
1 vote:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: LostTimeTraveler: mrshowrules: LostTimeTraveler: mrshowrules: LostTimeTraveler: I do and that's why I've joined the Project Lincoln army

I can't fault Project Lincoln.  They give me much joy lately.  Were you a Trump supporter?

Fare warning, I really dislike Trump supporters.

Hell no. I am an OG farker (orig acct was some of first ever). No one posting on here that long is voting for Trump.

I apologize Fark Elder.

That's OK. Your no spry chicken. You've been around long enough to argue w/ Bevets, see Weaver95 change parties and Dancin fall deeper into the derp pit.

Wow, about as long as I've been here. Were you here for the balls in the chair?


I recall that.
 
2020-07-06 5:29:40 AM  
1 vote:

LostTimeTraveler: mrshowrules: LostTimeTraveler: mrshowrules: LostTimeTraveler: I do and that's why I've joined the Project Lincoln army

I can't fault Project Lincoln.  They give me much joy lately.  Were you a Trump supporter?

Fare warning, I really dislike Trump supporters.

Hell no. I am an OG farker (orig acct was some of first ever). No one posting on here that long is voting for Trump.

I apologize Fark Elder.

That's OK. Your no spry chicken. You've been around long enough to argue w/ Bevets, see Weaver95 change parties and Dancin fall deeper into the derp pit.


Wow, about as long as I've been here. Were you here for the balls in the chair?
 
2020-07-06 12:22:34 AM  
1 vote:

LostTimeTraveler: mrshowrules: LostTimeTraveler: I do and that's why I've joined the Project Lincoln army

I can't fault Project Lincoln.  They give me much joy lately.  Were you a Trump supporter?

Fare warning, I really dislike Trump supporters.

Hell no. I am an OG farker (orig acct was some of first ever). No one posting on here that long is voting for Trump.


I apologize Fark Elder.
 
2020-07-05 9:44:54 PM  
1 vote:

Utter Genius: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Not quite, the further goal of the Lincoln Project is to slide the Dems rightwards, functionally transforming them into "Republicans with Manners". You might beat Trump in November, but is it really worth it if your party sells its soul to do so?


Yes. Next question.
 
2020-07-05 8:17:56 PM  
1 vote:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


They were fighting Dems before, they will be again.  Nothing new.
 
2020-07-05 8:07:18 PM  
1 vote:
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2020-07-05 8:00:30 PM  
1 vote:

sdd2000: fortheloveof: Shaggy_C: Tarl3k: With a national mask requirement a LOT of businesses could reopen safely...but Trump won't do that because reasons.

The "reasons" being the constitution. The federal government can only recommend masks, but not make them mandatory.

Alright, I got to ask: how does the Constitution prevent the federal government from requiring masks?

He/She may be hair splitting and trying to make the argument that only a state can make the requirement and not the federal government based upon a 10th amendment argument. However, the federal government (even under the National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U.S. 519 decision) could quite validly condition any additional state funding under Covid relief to a state requirement for masks.


And he did in fact go for the sad and tired 10th amendment. Which as others have pointed out falls flat on its face too easily.

I was hopeful he would try for "peaceful assembly" to the utter extreme like gun nuts do with the second, but tired troll == tired argument. Guess he's having to run between too many threads considering he seems to be the only one on the clock today.
 
2020-07-05 7:13:13 PM  
1 vote:

LostTimeTraveler: Yes, the party that freed the slaves and the one who wanted them to remain slaves have not redefined themselves at all.

This is foolishness bud


It has happened before but no party has ever so fundamentally locked themselves into a fixed ideology and fixed base.  People's Temple in Indianapolis could not redefine themselves either. Nixon was a crook (at least not a traitor) but the Republican party had the sense to push away from him.

I'm not trying to be contrarian or simplistic but I can't even see a path.  Even if there was a will and a push - there is no path.  Even if they had the desire for fundamental change (which they don't), I don't see what fundamental changes they could make and still survive as a party.

They could move to middle (I even doubt that is possible) but they would risk fracturing the party further.  What fundamental aspect of their platform (embraced by Trump) can you conceive that would help them gain independent votes without losing the evangelical or southern vote?

You see a path?
 
2020-07-05 6:35:13 PM  
1 vote:

mrshowrules: LostTimeTraveler: mrshowrules: dildo tontine: Denying that people are capable of change is as dumb as denying science and dehumanizing Republicans is downright sociopathic.

People can change, and they can start by leaving the current Republican party. If they stay Republican, by definition, they have not changed.  There is no path for the Republican party to survive or reinvent itself as anything more than what it is today.

Incorrect.

Trump prays republicans subscribe to this, it's exactly how he keeps them in line. If you shield the moderate low regulation/smaller govt Regan and Bush Republicans from Trump being able to throw them out of the party, so many Republicans are going to come out of the woodwork attacking him. It's 100% the most responsible and sensible thing any Democrat can do right now is support a sane opponent.

It's called the Rule of Goats.  There's no going back now.  They own Trump forever.  The crossed too many opportunities to drop him.   There is no path to redemption.  Now, I'm not saying the party can't survive.  Hate, fear, racism and greed are still perfectly viable platforms.  I'm saying they can never redefine themselves (nor do they with to particularly).


Yes, the party that freed the slaves and the one who wanted them to remain slaves have not redefined themselves at all.

This is foolishness bud
 
2020-07-05 6:25:11 PM  
1 vote:

LostTimeTraveler: mrshowrules: dildo tontine: Denying that people are capable of change is as dumb as denying science and dehumanizing Republicans is downright sociopathic.

People can change, and they can start by leaving the current Republican party. If they stay Republican, by definition, they have not changed.  There is no path for the Republican party to survive or reinvent itself as anything more than what it is today.

Incorrect.

Trump prays republicans subscribe to this, it's exactly how he keeps them in line. If you shield the moderate low regulation/smaller govt Regan and Bush Republicans from Trump being able to throw them out of the party, so many Republicans are going to come out of the woodwork attacking him. It's 100% the most responsible and sensible thing any Democrat can do right now is support a sane opponent.


It's called the Rule of Goats.  There's no going back now.  They own Trump forever.  The crossed too many opportunities to drop him.   There is no path to redemption.  Now, I'm not saying the party can't survive.  Hate, fear, racism and greed are still perfectly viable platforms.  I'm saying they can never redefine themselves (nor do they with to particularly).
 
2020-07-05 5:55:21 PM  
1 vote:

rolladuck: AAAAGGGGHHHH: Three Crooked Squirrels: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

If Trump loses in November, the GOP will be too busy in-fighting for awhile to focus on the Dems.

The GOP went from Nixon resigning in 74, getting BTFO in 76, only to come back with Reagan in 1980.

A span of less than six years.

They're like the Covid virus. It keeps coming back to try to kill you, and the best hope you have is your body may have immunity for only a couple of months between infections.

Who do you think will be their 2024 candidate?  My money is on Pirate Dan.





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2020-07-05 5:26:50 PM  
1 vote:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.

No.

1. The recession already began in February before anything had been shut down prior to the coronavirus.

Therefore, this is Trump's recession. He created it, not the coronavirus.

2. It is true the shutdowns from the coronavirus has exacerbated the recession mightily. This is also Donald Trump's fault as if he had been an actual president, instead of just playing on on television, he would have instituted a quarantine in February or March, shut everything down, and then we could be coming out of this NOW, as Europe and Asia are, with far fewer job losses.

Therefore, the depth of the recession, the spike in unemployment, is entirely Trump's fault.

QED


Not to mention other countries didn't ALLOW businesses to lay off their employees because the government was paying for the business to stay afloat with the stipulation that they not fire anyone. Can't remember which countries, though.
 
2020-07-05 5:25:08 PM  
1 vote:

mrshowrules: dildo tontine: Denying that people are capable of change is as dumb as denying science and dehumanizing Republicans is downright sociopathic.

People can change, and they can start by leaving the current Republican party. If they stay Republican, by definition, they have not changed.  There is no path for the Republican party to survive or reinvent itself as anything more than what it is today.


Incorrect.

Trump prays republicans subscribe to this, it's exactly how he keeps them in line. If you shield the moderate low regulation/smaller govt Regan and Bush Republicans from Trump being able to throw them out of the party, so many Republicans are going to come out of the woodwork attacking him. It's 100% the most responsible and sensible thing any Democrat can do right now is support a sane opponent.
 
2020-07-05 5:23:13 PM  
1 vote:

rolladuck: AAAAGGGGHHHH: Three Crooked Squirrels: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

If Trump loses in November, the GOP will be too busy in-fighting for awhile to focus on the Dems.

The GOP went from Nixon resigning in 74, getting BTFO in 76, only to come back with Reagan in 1980.

A span of less than six years.

They're like the Covid virus. It keeps coming back to try to kill you, and the best hope you have is your body may have immunity for only a couple of months between infections.

Who do you think will be their 2024 candidate?  My money is on Pirate Dan.



It doesn't matter who the GOP runs in 2024. They'll get their ass handed to them by AOC who will, barring something dire happening to Biden, simultaneously become the first female President, Hispanic President, and youngest President of the United States in history.
 
2020-07-05 5:16:57 PM  
1 vote:

Shaggy_C: fortheloveof: Alright, I got to ask: how does the Constitution prevent the federal government from requiring masks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Am​endment_to_the_United_States_Constitut​ion

There's no enumerated power for the Federal government in this case, and it would be hard to make a case for 'interstate commerce' when talking about an individual wearing a mask to go to their local store. It's a state power.


How utterly boring. I was hoping against hope you would at least be creative and go with the first amendment. You might have actually had an argument there.
 
2020-07-05 5:05:55 PM  
1 vote:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: rolladuck: AAAAGGGGHHHH: Three Crooked Squirrels: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

If Trump loses in November, the GOP will be too busy in-fighting for awhile to focus on the Dems.

The GOP went from Nixon resigning in 74, getting BTFO in 76, only to come back with Reagan in 1980.

A span of less than six years.

They're like the Covid virus. It keeps coming back to try to kill you, and the best hope you have is your body may have immunity for only a couple of months between infections.

Who do you think will be their 2024 candidate?  My money is on Pirate Dan.

Romney. Obviously Romney.


They already ran Romney once and he lost.  There is no way he is getting another shot at it.
 
2020-07-05 5:04:35 PM  
1 vote:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: dildo tontine: I understand your concern but people are capable of change.

Nope. Not republicans.They're not people. They will only get worse.

Quote me on it and come back here in 2024. You'll be asking me if I'm a wizard.


It is convenient that you cut off the rest of my comment.  I specifically pointed out Elizabeth Warren as an example.  Denying that people are capable of change is as dumb as denying science and dehumanizing Republicans is downright sociopathic.

As for 2024 I doubt I will remember who you are then.
 
2020-07-05 4:42:19 PM  
1 vote:

nekom: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

One battle at a time.


No. Start hitting all of them. They deserve it.
 
2020-07-05 4:40:08 PM  
1 vote:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: rolladuck: AAAAGGGGHHHH: Three Crooked Squirrels: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

If Trump loses in November, the GOP will be too busy in-fighting for awhile to focus on the Dems.

The GOP went from Nixon resigning in 74, getting BTFO in 76, only to come back with Reagan in 1980.

A span of less than six years.

They're like the Covid virus. It keeps coming back to try to kill you, and the best hope you have is your body may have immunity for only a couple of months between infections.

Who do you think will be their 2024 candidate?  My money is on Pirate Dan.

Romney. Obviously Romney.


Rick Scott
 
2020-07-05 4:36:59 PM  
1 vote:

psilocyberguy: An historic ..... not A historic.


H is a consonant and it's not silent, so no.
 
2020-07-05 4:32:06 PM  
1 vote:

AAAAGGGGHHHH: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Yep. I'm seeing this too. Am I the only one who remembers the story about the Scorpion and the Frog?


If you trust them further than the shared goal of getting Trump out of office that's your problem
 
2020-07-05 4:23:43 PM  
1 vote:

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Yep. I'm seeing this too. Am I the only one who remembers the story about the Scorpion and the Frog?
 
2020-07-05 3:33:27 PM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: What for? Trump's not up for election in those other years.


Public sentiment matters throughout the entire term.  When sentiment is low enough and Congresscritters see poll numbers dropping due to their connection with POTUS's, they tend to start doing things to distance themselves from POTUS's policy direction.
 
2020-07-05 3:04:02 PM  
1 vote:

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. The recession already began in February before anything had been shut down prior to the coronavirus.

Therefore, this is Trump's recession. He created it, not the coronavirus.


What the fark? What do you think a recession is?
 
2020-07-05 3:02:15 PM  
1 vote:

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


Yes, there is tons of hypocrisy involved. Politics isn't about being right or even coherent, it's about swaying stupid people to vote for you through appeals to emotion.

These ads aren't made for thinking  people, but that won't stop the "rah rah team" types from eating them up.
 
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