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2020-07-05 10:02:15 AM  
These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.
 
2020-07-05 10:16:30 AM  
A Lincoln Project ad once bit my sister.
 
2020-07-05 10:33:17 AM  

HallsOfMandos: A Lincoln Project ad once bit my sister.


Lincøln Prøject bites Kan be pretti nasti
 
2020-07-05 11:33:36 AM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Actually it is reported that the Project is a mix from both parties.
 
2020-07-05 11:58:28 AM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


One battle at a time.
 
2020-07-05 12:06:38 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


If Trump loses in November, the GOP will be too busy in-fighting for awhile to focus on the Dems.
 
2020-07-05 12:15:55 PM  
Lincoln Project? Worth a shot.
 
2020-07-05 12:24:06 PM  
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2020-07-05 12:54:15 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


I think I read that they are also going after his enablers. So the ones that aren't up in this cycle, but are up in 2022, and any special elections. We'll see about 2024 if Biden wins.
 
2020-07-05 1:04:57 PM  
It isn't unfair to blame Trump for every individual thing that was destroyed in the house just because happened to be President when he set it on fire.
 
2020-07-05 1:06:03 PM  

HallsOfMandos: A Lincoln Project ad once bit my sister.


bitter?
 
2020-07-05 1:07:25 PM  

nekom: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

One battle at a time.


It will take a very long time for conservative Americans to forget how badly Trump f$cked up the entire country.  At least 2 years.
 
2020-07-05 1:20:17 PM  
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2020-07-05 1:41:18 PM  
Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.
 
2020-07-05 1:47:12 PM  
An historic ..... not A historic.
 
2020-07-05 2:04:36 PM  

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


It's an election year so the President gets all the blame or praise, depending on what team they play for.
 
2020-07-05 2:20:37 PM  
 
2020-07-05 2:44:05 PM  

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


No.

1. The recession already began in February before anything had been shut down prior to the coronavirus.

Therefore, this is Trump's recession. He created it, not the coronavirus.

2. It is true the shutdowns from the coronavirus has exacerbated the recession mightily. This is also Donald Trump's fault as if he had been an actual president, instead of just playing on on television, he would have instituted a quarantine in February or March, shut everything down, and then we could be coming out of this NOW, as Europe and Asia are, with far fewer job losses.

Therefore, the depth of the recession, the spike in unemployment, is entirely Trump's fault.

QED
 
2020-07-05 2:56:21 PM  

mrshowrules: It isn't unfair to blame Trump for every individual thing that was destroyed in the house just because happened to be President when he set it on fire.


That's the only way to kill that spider sometimes.
 
2020-07-05 3:00:58 PM  
I woke up this morning with a rare feeling. I was depressed.

It took me a bit to sort it out but I realized it was the Bunkie shiat over the weekend. The 14 flags on the Nazi stage, the further dividing of out country with his speech, the detailed description of the killing machines as they flew over. For one they detailed how many bullets per minute then broke it down to seconds.

It is the birthday of all Americans and most were not invited. It is supposed to be uplifting and uniting. This was the polar opposite.

Then the rendition of America The Beautiful (it's supposed to be uplifting) slowed down to almost a funeral song. I'm not a musician but it sounded like they went for the minor key instead of the major.

The entire weekend has been playing in my head like a bad movie. Then the Karen at 7-11 yelling at the clerk about a mask.

I'm better now. This post helped.

Thanks for listening.
 
2020-07-05 3:01:46 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Trump loses in November, the GOP will be too busy in-fighting for awhile to focus on the Dems.


Fox News has no other reason for its existence than to focus on Dems.
 
2020-07-05 3:02:08 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


They have publicly said their singular mission is to defeat Trump and his enables (Senate and congressional Republicans).  They are Republicans who see Trump as destroying the party and the country they loved and Congressional R's empowering Trump.  They see it as their patriotic and civic duty to clean up their own house.

Yes, it is their hope to some day be able to be Republicans again and debate Democrats on tax policy or whatever.  As a Democrat, it is my hope we can return to that day as well--it will be a sign the existential threat to our democracy has passed..  Today is not that day.
 
2020-07-05 3:02:15 PM  

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


Yes, there is tons of hypocrisy involved. Politics isn't about being right or even coherent, it's about swaying stupid people to vote for you through appeals to emotion.

These ads aren't made for thinking  people, but that won't stop the "rah rah team" types from eating them up.
 
2020-07-05 3:03:12 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Sure. And?
 
2020-07-05 3:03:31 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: LP's video guy is a former Tea Partier: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/0​7/lincoln-project-video-wiz-ben-howe-a​ds-are-driving-trump-insane


Yet he keeps taxing Trump.
 
2020-07-05 3:03:42 PM  

saturn badger: I woke up this morning with a rare feeling. I was depressed.

It took me a bit to sort it out but I realized it was the Bunkie shiat over the weekend. The 14 flags on the Nazi stage, the further dividing of out country with his speech, the detailed description of the killing machines as they flew over. For one they detailed how many bullets per minute then broke it down to seconds.

It is the birthday of all Americans and most were not invited. It is supposed to be uplifting and uniting. This was the polar opposite.

Then the rendition of America The Beautiful (it's supposed to be uplifting) slowed down to almost a funeral song. I'm not a musician but it sounded like they went for the minor key instead of the major.

The entire weekend has been playing in my head like a bad movie. Then the Karen at 7-11 yelling at the clerk about a mask.

I'm better now. This post helped.

Thanks for listening.


It's tough for a lot of people right now. It's almost like we are watching the last days of the American empire. I wonder if the Brits, Ottomans, or Romans felt like this when their empire days were clearly numbered.
 
2020-07-05 3:04:02 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. The recession already began in February before anything had been shut down prior to the coronavirus.

Therefore, this is Trump's recession. He created it, not the coronavirus.


What the fark? What do you think a recession is?
 
2020-07-05 3:04:28 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Stalin wasn't a saint, but you go to war with the allies you have, not the allies you wish you had.
 
2020-07-05 3:04:51 PM  
I don't understand why TLP is wasting resources on ads designed to appeal to Democrats.

It specifically mentions hispanic and African-American unemployment both being up, but Republicans view that as a good thing - get the minorities out of the work force so Cletus can get the job they stole from him with affirmative action
 
2020-07-05 3:05:15 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Also, as a tactic, that is the point:  Dems and independents already realize Trump is bad.  They already are voting against them.  The final need is for a handful of Republicans to realize realize he is bad and give him the psychological permission to vote against Trump and still not threaten their internalized Republican identity is key to a landslide and truly defeating Trumpism.

It was like Roy Moore - the most important part of the closing week of that campaign was when prominent Republicans came out against him.  It allowed some in the rank-and-file Republican voters to see it was ok to Vote for a Dem (or choose to not vote at all).  Tribal signaling is important.
 
2020-07-05 3:06:55 PM  

saturn badger: I'm better now. This post helped.

Thanks for listening.


Know that you are not alone. Together, we will get through it. Sometimes I need to turn off my device and just sit outside and watch the birds for a while to get my brain back into a happy place.
 
2020-07-05 3:08:21 PM  
Are we sure that the Lincoln Project isn't just a front to fleece Democrats out of donations? I guess I'd never paid much attention to the pleas for donations at the end until today.
 
2020-07-05 3:08:32 PM  

PlaidJaguar: I don't understand why TLP is wasting resources on ads designed to appeal to Democrats.

It specifically mentions hispanic and African-American unemployment both being up, but Republicans view that as a good thing - get the minorities out of the work force so Cletus can get the job they stole from him with affirmative action


The Lincoln Project's target audience isn't Republican racists - it is the wing of the Republican base that ISN'T racistand is uncomfortable at the Party's clear shift to being openly racist.  The "Suburban women" demographic we keep hearing about, etc.  BLM movement is enjoying 80% approval these days... that means there are Republicans which agree with BLM in additon to Dems and Indy's.  

Lincoln Project talks to those Republicans how don't want to be racist and say "it is ok to still call yourself a Republican and be anti-racist, but you have to do it by kicking the racists out of the Republican Party.  Join us in doing that."
 
2020-07-05 3:09:11 PM  

HallsOfMandos: A Lincoln Project ad once bit my sister.


Now she turns to 6ft 4in man with a stove pipe hat and a goatee ever full moon and howls " PARTY ON DUDES!"
 
2020-07-05 3:10:09 PM  

Shaggy_C: stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.

Yes, there is tons of hypocrisy involved. Politics isn't about being right or even coherent, it's about swaying stupid people to vote for you through appeals to emotion.

These ads aren't made for thinking  people, but that won't stop the "rah rah team" types from eating them up.


I can and do blame a lack of leadership.  A coordinated response would have allowed a shorter shutdown with much better effect.  Instead, we got denial of reality and a patchwork response with mixed results.
 
2020-07-05 3:11:04 PM  

Blahbbs: Are we sure that the Lincoln Project isn't just a front to fleece Democrats out of donations? I guess I'd never paid much attention to the pleas for donations at the end until today.


Thus far, they have been more effective at getting in Trump's head, the RNC's head, and Fox News's head than anything any Dem Party ad has done.  By 'in the head' I mean Trump has tweeted about it and said more unpopular things in response to it.  Seems to be the single best investment one could make over the last month, actually.    Heck, Republican Super Pacs have started running ads AGAINST the Lincoln Project... the first time in American history one super pac has ran ads against another.
 
2020-07-05 3:15:01 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


With *ucker Carlson as their new leader.
 
2020-07-05 3:15:58 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


Not quite, the further goal of the Lincoln Project is to slide the Dems rightwards, functionally transforming them into "Republicans with Manners". You might beat Trump in November, but is it really worth it if your party sells its soul to do so?
 
2020-07-05 3:16:17 PM  
As a Dem, i can't stress enough how impactful it is to have members of the Republican Party talking to other members of the Republican Party in attempt to change minds.  In these highly politicized times, people take signals from party leaders.  Up until now, party leadership in the GOP has been largely saying 'stick with Trump'.  Lincoln project has created a center of gravity for GOP leaders to start to push back in a coordinated way.  It won't replace the need for Biden to talk to independents or the DNC to talk to the Dem base, etc.  But talking to the GOP is one important tool in the tool box.

Think about the equivalent on the Dem side for issues, for example:  The Dem Party and most of its candidates were largely against Gay Marriage for much of the 2000's.  Then in 2012~ish (forgive me I forget the exact date) Obama makes a big announcement openly supporting it, and there was a sudden 10+ point jump in support of Gay Marriage within Dem party base public opinion polling.  People saw the signal it was OK to change their minds and they took the chance.

"I am a Republican, I oppose Trump" is a powerful message to those who aren't comfortable with Trump.
 
2020-07-05 3:17:03 PM  

Chromium_One: A coordinated response would have allowed a shorter shutdown with much better effect.


Name a single country where that's true.

No, not Korea, they don't count.  Or New Zealand.  Or any of the European countries, they're all out.  Or Canada.  Or...
 
2020-07-05 3:17:42 PM  

stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.


If Trump and co would have done a better job in the beginning and weren't thwarting every effort to contain it you may have a point. Like, in the middle of April maybe I would have agreed with you

As it stands, it's all on him
 
2020-07-05 3:17:53 PM  

mrshowrules: It will take a very long time for conservative Americans to forget how badly Trump f$cked up the entire country.  At least 2 years.


Every response to any word from any republican for the next 100 years should be "trump" followed by a punch in to face.  The gop has lost its right to speak or even pretend to by American.
 
2020-07-05 3:18:48 PM  
I'd really like to see the Venn diagram of who thinks the most prominent never Trumpers are acting in bad faith and who believes all women.
 
2020-07-05 3:19:05 PM  

Shaggy_C: stilted: Playing Devil's Advocate here...I'm anti-Trump, will be voting for Biden in November...not a Russian troll...*not* saying BSAB...

Isn't there a touch of hypocrisy in laying unemployment solely at Trump's feet, when many who oppose Trump are saying businesses have/are opening too fast and in Covid hotspots the government should be shutting everything down?

Unemployment is an inherent by-product of fighting Coronavirus. You can't slow the spread in areas of outbreak without shutting down businesses, resulting in unemployment.

That being said, Trump and the rest of the GOP has done a horrible job of supporting the lower and middle class workers who have been impacted by Coronavirus restrictions. *That* is where the opposition attacks should be focused...the GOP's making sure the corporations are protected, while leaving the average worker swaying in the wind.

Yes, there is tons of hypocrisy involved. Politics isn't about being right or even coherent, it's about swaying stupid people to vote for you through appeals to emotion.

These ads aren't made for thinking  people, but that won't stop the "rah rah team" types from eating them up.


Germany is also having a pandemic I have heard.

But careful management by the government has kept their unemployment from passing 3.5% even once, so far.

Other developed nations have kept their rates at around half of what ours have been.

And we are looking like we are in much much worse shape than them going forward as well. Because the government is mishandling both the crisis and the economy.
 
2020-07-05 3:19:55 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


[Black Widow]
We have an ally?

[Nick Fury]
Ultron has an enemy -- that's not the same thing.
 
2020-07-05 3:21:19 PM  

OceanVortex: As a Dem, i can't stress enough how impactful it is to have members of the Republican Party talking to other members of the Republican Party in attempt to change minds.  In these highly politicized times, people take signals from party leaders.  Up until now, party leadership in the GOP has been largely saying 'stick with Trump'.  Lincoln project has created a center of gravity for GOP leaders to start to push back in a coordinated way.  It won't replace the need for Biden to talk to independents or the DNC to talk to the Dem base, etc.  But talking to the GOP is one important tool in the tool box.

Think about the equivalent on the Dem side for issues, for example:  The Dem Party and most of its candidates were largely against Gay Marriage for much of the 2000's.  Then in 2012~ish (forgive me I forget the exact date) Obama makes a big announcement openly supporting it, and there was a sudden 10+ point jump in support of Gay Marriage within Dem party base public opinion polling.  People saw the signal it was OK to change their minds and they took the chance.

"I am a Republican, I oppose Trump" is a powerful message to those who aren't comfortable with Trump.


Anyone happen to recall why Obama made a public show of supporting it?
 
2020-07-05 3:23:15 PM  

Utter Genius: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Not quite, the further goal of the Lincoln Project is to slide the Dems rightwards, functionally transforming them into "Republicans with Manners". You might beat Trump in November, but is it really worth it if your party sells its soul to do so?


You might be disingenuous, but I'll take you at face value here and assume this is an honest sentiment you are expressing.

How is that possibly the right thing to say?  For 5 years now, we Democrats have been jumping up and down shouting "Why won't these so-called 'Constitution Loving Republicans' stand up to Trump?"  well, they finally do and now we are complaining about it?
 
2020-07-05 3:24:11 PM  

mrshowrules: HallsOfMandos: A Lincoln Project ad once bit my sister.

bitter?


Yeah, I still feel pretty bad about it.
 
2020-07-05 3:24:39 PM  

qorkfiend: physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.

Sure. And?


Maybe keep that in mind before you give them your money, at least.

But yeah, meanwhile, rah rah and all that.

/Out of curiosity, is there a group of Democratic Donors throwing absolute bangers together that we *could* throw our money at?
 
2020-07-05 3:25:43 PM  

physt: These ads are great and all but, remember, there are Republicans behind this. They are coming for Trump now but they'll be all over Dems once he's out of the way.


They haven't had to lie or obfuscate wrt Trump. That's why the ads work. If they find something truthful from which to base an attack on my party, I want to know about it.
 
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