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2020-07-05 8:51:32 AM  
Wow, somebody got triggered. I had to wipe the faux rage spittle off of my phone.
 
2020-07-05 8:58:36 AM  
Sure, why not?  Cancel all the things.
 
2020-07-05 8:58:47 AM  
How'd I know it's world class douchebag Howie Carr?
 
2020-07-05 9:33:54 AM  
This is growing up. Part of growing up as individuals is turning to look at your parents, mentors, your ideals, heroes, roll models, friends, and realizing they're all flawed. That they are worthy of criticism. Then there's the chilling moment where a young adult (hopefully, if they're not a sociopathic Republican fark) looks into the mirror, embraces their own flaws, copes with that vulnerability and realizes that someday some young person will have the same epiphany about them.

When the whole society moves toward this stark self realization, it is a kind of group maturity, or self realization that creates vast changes. Hopefully.

With the US it's going to be painful because slavery and consequent subjugation of whole classes of people, right up to this moment, are inextricably part of our society. The mirror is harsh and unrelenting.

To dismiss this as "cancel culture" is arrogant. The statues falling, the reexamination of history and our heroes and roll models (especially and overwhelmingly the white ones) is an echo of the pain of adolescence maturing to young adulthood.

And later, as a people, we may look back and think "huh, this here particular hero, idea, role model I used to love as a kid... They weren't really all that bad, they did a lot of good for all of us." And then collectively there will be time and wisdom to rehabilitate their memories.

But at this moment in 2020? The tearing down and cleansing has to happen. It's way overdue. Better to participate, mature, reinvent ourselves as a people... As one people... Than to react, dig in, pout, throw tantrums, and threaten mutual destruction  ... Like about a third of our population insists. Whether that means somehow coopting them, or leaving them behind... Well, it's only July.

There will come a time, if we reach that collective maturity, where we can understand that we were wrong, without having been malevolent, and also enough critical thinking to understand where we've been truly evil, without an attempt to justify...

If the murder hornets and hurricanes or Yellowstone/covid 20 doesn't snuff
Us out completely.
 
2020-07-05 9:42:54 AM  

GardenWeasel: Wow, somebody got triggered. I had to wipe the faux rage spittle off of my phone.


There is a perfect kernel of corn in even the runniest pile of shiat. There is an idea FTFA that is worthy of take away.

But with calm, cold hearted deliberation, and resolve. "Kill the Kennedy's" has already been done (often), there are good reasons to reexamine their legacy, shine bright light on them, understand they aren't the heroes we want them to be...

But they weren't the Klan or Confederates either.

Sure, pull down all the statues, kill all the sacred cows but don't forget why you're doing it. Protest injustice and hate and intolerance, but drive for something better. Have a plan to land. Somewhere hopefully there's an opportunity for everyone to join and participate.
 
2020-07-05 9:53:25 AM  
Paywall. Boooooo!
 
2020-07-05 10:06:48 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Paywall. Boooooo!


You're not missing much.

Just some conservative dickhead sneering and sputtering.
 
2020-07-05 10:11:24 AM  
It's been tried but they keep having kids.
 
2020-07-05 10:12:35 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Paywall. Boooooo!


I promise you the paywall was more interesting to look at than the nonsense in that article.
 
2020-07-05 10:16:44 AM  
Anything to avoid talking about racism.
 
2020-07-05 10:16:54 AM  
Woah, hold on.  We haven't even cancelled the Confederacy yet.
 
2020-07-05 10:20:40 AM  
Think of the comedian Bill Burr, except that this version is stupid and talentless. That's the internal voice you should use to read every Herald article. Better yet, give it a pass.
 
2020-07-05 10:27:08 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: Think of the comedian Bill Burr, except that this version is stupid and talentless. That's the internal voice you should use to read every Herald article. Better yet, give it a pass.


Christopher Hitchens had some criticism of JFK ... A lot of it, i had to just step away from the monitor and say "okay that's a little much to swallow" but the policy and actions critique that he gave was more cogent (very low bar) than TFA.

It's on YouTube somewhere, all I can find is conspiracy theory shiat about the assassination.
 
2020-07-05 10:30:10 AM  
Ok, Howie.
 
2020-07-05 10:34:20 AM  
A shadowy hyper-racist CIA cabal already did.
/Thread-shiat out
 
2020-07-05 11:23:20 AM  

yohohogreengiant: Garza and the Supermutants: Think of the comedian Bill Burr, except that this version is stupid and talentless. That's the internal voice you should use to read every Herald article. Better yet, give it a pass.

Christopher Hitchens had some criticism of JFK ... A lot of it, i had to just step away from the monitor and say "okay that's a little much to swallow" but the policy and actions critique that he gave was more cogent (very low bar) than TFA.

It's on YouTube somewhere, all I can find is conspiracy theory shiat about the assassination.


Howie Carr is no Christopher Hitchens.
 
2020-07-05 11:55:51 AM  
 
2020-07-05 11:56:44 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: Think of the comedian Bill Burr, except that this version is stupid and talentless. That's the internal voice you should use to read every Herald article. Better yet, give it a pass.


Except?
 
2020-07-05 11:57:00 AM  
So....They are STILL Going on about the car crash thing...50 YEARS LATER...
 
2020-07-05 11:57:08 AM  
That was what a dumb person thinks a dangerous person sounds like.
 
2020-07-05 11:57:29 AM  
Kennedy is easy. The invasion of Cuba was outright aggression. Eisenhower planned it, incidentally, so he was involved in a conspiracy to invade another country, which we can add to his score. After the invasion of Cuba, Kennedy launched a huge terrorist campaign against Cuba, which was very serious. No joke. Bombardment of industrial installations with killing of plenty of people, bombing hotels, sinking fishing boats, sabotage. Later, under Nixon, it even went as far as poisoning livestock and so on. Big affair. And then came Vietnam; he invaded Vietnam. He invaded South Vietnam in 1962. He sent the U.S. Air Force to start bombing. Okay. We took care of Kennedy.
 
2020-07-05 11:57:32 AM  
Bunch of entitled white kids who inherited money made by selling bad whiskey to good first nations persons, a profit made from racism. From a slow genocide.
fark em.
Especially that murdering coward, Ted.
 
2020-07-05 11:58:23 AM  
I agree.  Let's cancel Kennedy.  And all the other FOX News grifters who pretend to be bimbos.

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2020-07-05 11:58:39 AM  
dnrtfa.

Does anyone on the left under 50 or 60 give a shiat about Kennedy? Like, to the point of lionizing him and his family?

Cancel, don't cancel, whatevs.
 
2020-07-05 11:58:40 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: So....They are STILL Going on about the car crash thing...50 YEARS LATER...


Not the car. The dead woman he left in the car, claeing, tearing her nails off, trying to get out.
 
2020-07-05 11:59:24 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: yohohogreengiant: Garza and the Supermutants: Think of the comedian Bill Burr, except that this version is stupid and talentless. That's the internal voice you should use to read every Herald article. Better yet, give it a pass.

Christopher Hitchens had some criticism of JFK ... A lot of it, i had to just step away from the monitor and say "okay that's a little much to swallow" but the policy and actions critique that he gave was more cogent (very low bar) than TFA.

It's on YouTube somewhere, all I can find is conspiracy theory shiat about the assassination.

Howie Carr is no Christopher Hitchens.


He is however, an idiot.
 
2020-07-05 11:59:35 AM  
LOL I was wondering how far i'de have to read to stop taking the writer seriously and it wasn't far.

"And let's not forget - JFK tried to kill Fidel Castro, patron saint of all looters and statue-smashers."
 
2020-07-05 11:59:46 AM  
I fully approve of going back to a 65% top marginal tax rate, just like JFK wanted!
 
2020-07-05 12:00:18 PM  
Does anyone under 65 actually give a shiat about the Kennedys?

Have they actually been relevant since Ted died?

Seems like a weird thing to glom on to.
 
2020-07-05 12:03:25 PM  
The only thing I got out of that article is that I had adblock ..
 
2020-07-05 12:03:27 PM  
I love Howie Carr. If it weren't for his show I'd never know where to get gastric bypass surgery or tooth veneers or hair plugs or fake viagra or ball botox.
 
2020-07-05 12:04:57 PM  

yohohogreengiant: This is growing up. Part of growing up as individuals is turning to look at your parents, mentors, your ideals, heroes, roll models, friends, and realizing they're all flawed. That they are worthy of criticism. Then there's the chilling moment where a young adult (hopefully, if they're not a sociopathic Republican fark) looks into the mirror, embraces their own flaws, copes with that vulnerability and realizes that someday some young person will have the same epiphany about them.

When the whole society moves toward this stark self realization, it is a kind of group maturity, or self realization that creates vast changes. Hopefully.

With the US it's going to be painful because slavery and consequent subjugation of whole classes of people, right up to this moment, are inextricably part of our society. The mirror is harsh and unrelenting.

To dismiss this as "cancel culture" is arrogant. The statues falling, the reexamination of history and our heroes and roll models (especially and overwhelmingly the white ones) is an echo of the pain of adolescence maturing to young adulthood.

And later, as a people, we may look back and think "huh, this here particular hero, idea, role model I used to love as a kid... They weren't really all that bad, they did a lot of good for all of us." And then collectively there will be time and wisdom to rehabilitate their memories.

But at this moment in 2020? The tearing down and cleansing has to happen. It's way overdue. Better to participate, mature, reinvent ourselves as a people... As one people... Than to react, dig in, pout, throw tantrums, and threaten mutual destruction  ... Like about a third of our population insists. Whether that means somehow coopting them, or leaving them behind... Well, it's only July.

There will come a time, if we reach that collective maturity, where we can understand that we were wrong, without having been malevolent, and also enough critical thinking to understand where we've been truly evil, without an ...


Parents don't allow their toddler children to run the household.  Democrats shouldn't be allowed to run the country for the same reason.
 
2020-07-05 12:05:53 PM  
You know you got nothin' when your list of egregious sins that you think will be so offensive to the Left starts off with tax policy.
 
2020-07-05 12:06:54 PM  
Well there it is, I think he might of just disproved Poe's Law.
 
2020-07-05 12:07:20 PM  
As long as we're tearing down our tenuous cultural myths anyway, maybe it's time to bust out this old adage:

Behind every great fortune lies a great crime.

Though I doubt that will lead us to the conclusion the author is looking for.
 
2020-07-05 12:07:31 PM  
It's too bad that cancel culture is nothing more than an elite moral panic because there are a lot of people I would like to cancel, starting with the farking asshole who wrote this article.
 
2020-07-05 12:07:51 PM  
Someone does not want Joe Kennedy III to primary Markey
 
2020-07-05 12:08:04 PM  
Liberals VERY rarely venerate any politicians on their side or build statues to them to show off the history of the Democratic Party. Thus the DNC isn't going to commission statues of JFK, RFK, and Ted for the sole purpose of pissing off R's across the nation. Their influence is limited to Massachusetts only (and DC for the case of JFK), for the most part.
 
2020-07-05 12:11:35 PM  

Smackledorfer: dnrtfa.

Does anyone on the left under 50 or 60 give a shiat about Kennedy? Like, to the point of lionizing him and his family?

Cancel, don't cancel, whatevs.


Nationally, no.  In Massachusetts, they're still a big deal.  Joe Kennedy III is a member of the House, and he's primarying fellow Democrat Ed Markey for the US Senate spot.

Look at his website - tell me he's not trying to invoke the "Camelot" image:   https://secure.actblue.com/donate/J​KMA​-ALL-Search-June2020-D2D?refcode=S1080​
 
2020-07-05 12:14:54 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Look at his website - tell me he's not trying to invoke the "Camelot" image:   https://secure.actblue.com/donate/JK​MA-ALL-Search-June2020-D2D?refcode=S10​80


I'm not familiar with the term, but I presume it means he is trying to be some kind of royal savior?

The pic behind the donation banner looks like any other politician's page.
 
2020-07-05 12:17:18 PM  
What turned his rant unhinged was attacking Bobby. Yes, he was out of his league when named AG, and he made some horrible decisions. But he learned, and he changed. Something that conservatives just can't seem to comprehend.

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2020-07-05 12:18:34 PM  

Mouser: yohohogreengiant: This is growing up. Part of growing up as individuals is turning to look at your parents, mentors, your ideals, heroes, roll models, friends, and realizing they're all flawed. That they are worthy of criticism. Then there's the chilling moment where a young adult (hopefully, if they're not a sociopathic Republican fark) looks into the mirror, embraces their own flaws, copes with that vulnerability and realizes that someday some young person will have the same epiphany about them.

When the whole society moves toward this stark self realization, it is a kind of group maturity, or self realization that creates vast changes. Hopefully.

With the US it's going to be painful because slavery and consequent subjugation of whole classes of people, right up to this moment, are inextricably part of our society. The mirror is harsh and unrelenting.

To dismiss this as "cancel culture" is arrogant. The statues falling, the reexamination of history and our heroes and roll models (especially and overwhelmingly the white ones) is an echo of the pain of adolescence maturing to young adulthood.

And later, as a people, we may look back and think "huh, this here particular hero, idea, role model I used to love as a kid... They weren't really all that bad, they did a lot of good for all of us." And then collectively there will be time and wisdom to rehabilitate their memories.

But at this moment in 2020? The tearing down and cleansing has to happen. It's way overdue. Better to participate, mature, reinvent ourselves as a people... As one people... Than to react, dig in, pout, throw tantrums, and threaten mutual destruction  ... Like about a third of our population insists. Whether that means somehow coopting them, or leaving them behind... Well, it's only July.

There will come a time, if we reach that collective maturity, where we can understand that we were wrong, without having been malevolent, and also enough critical thinking to understand where we've been truly evil, without an ...

Parents don't allow their toddler children to run the household.  Democrats shouldn't be allowed to run the country for the same reason.


That's your takeaway?
 
2020-07-05 12:20:49 PM  

downstairs: Woah, hold on.  We haven't even cancelled the Confederacy yet.


Unfortunately no, they live on in white supremacists...
 
2020-07-05 12:21:49 PM  
That was a weird article, at first I wasn't sure I seriously was. I mean, a lot of the stuff you mentioned are a good reason to 'cancel' them.

They are the epitome of an entitled, politically connected, wealthy upper class wait political power family. Everything that is wrong with a system that is supposed to promote equality but instead promotes patriarchy and oligarchy.

fark those guys. They are always looking out for themselves first and foremost.
 
2020-07-05 12:21:52 PM  

Snapper Carr: Does anyone under 65 actually give a shiat about the Kennedys?

Have they actually been relevant since Ted died?

Seems like a weird thing to glom on to.


When you're drowning, you grab any piece of flotsam you can find.

/If you get to use glom, I get to use flotsam.
 
2020-07-05 12:22:04 PM  

GardenWeasel: Wow, somebody got triggered. I had to wipe the faux rage spittle off of my phone.


The Boston Herald is the Boston version of the New York Post.
 
2020-07-05 12:22:05 PM  
Uuuuhhhhh, duuude, these guys were way ahead of you


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Saw them perform in DC-Fourth of July weekend. It was wild.
 
2020-07-05 12:23:20 PM  

urethra_franklin: Mouser: yohohogreengiant: This is growing up. Part of growing up as individuals is turning to look at your parents, mentors, your ideals, heroes, roll models, friends, and realizing they're all flawed. That they are worthy of criticism. Then there's the chilling moment where a young adult (hopefully, if they're not a sociopathic Republican fark) looks into the mirror, embraces their own flaws, copes with that vulnerability and realizes that someday some young person will have the same epiphany about them.

When the whole society moves toward this stark self realization, it is a kind of group maturity, or self realization that creates vast changes. Hopefully.

With the US it's going to be painful because slavery and consequent subjugation of whole classes of people, right up to this moment, are inextricably part of our society. The mirror is harsh and unrelenting.

To dismiss this as "cancel culture" is arrogant. The statues falling, the reexamination of history and our heroes and roll models (especially and overwhelmingly the white ones) is an echo of the pain of adolescence maturing to young adulthood.

And later, as a people, we may look back and think "huh, this here particular hero, idea, role model I used to love as a kid... They weren't really all that bad, they did a lot of good for all of us." And then collectively there will be time and wisdom to rehabilitate their memories.

But at this moment in 2020? The tearing down and cleansing has to happen. It's way overdue. Better to participate, mature, reinvent ourselves as a people... As one people... Than to react, dig in, pout, throw tantrums, and threaten mutual destruction  ... Like about a third of our population insists. Whether that means somehow coopting them, or leaving them behind... Well, it's only July.

There will come a time, if we reach that collective maturity, where we can understand that we were wrong, without having been malevolent, and also enough critical thinking to understand where we've been truly evil, without an ...

Parents don't allow their toddler children to run the household.  Democrats shouldn't be allowed to run the country for the same reason.

That's your takeaway?


It's also quite wrong. Parent let toddlers run things plenty. What to watch on television, when to eat, when is outside playtime are all based on what the toddler wants, likes and can do.

Toddlers run parents lives.  Everyone with a toddler knows this.
 
2020-07-05 12:23:22 PM  
I can't cancel Kennedy because then Nixon is elected in 1960 and he follows all the generals' advice during the Cuban Missile Crisis and everyone east of the Mississippi is dead -- including me.
 
2020-07-05 12:24:32 PM  

yohohogreengiant: This is growing up. Part of growing up as individuals is turning to look at your parents, mentors, your ideals, heroes, roll models, friends, and realizing they're all flawed. That they are worthy of criticism. Then there's the chilling moment where a young adult (hopefully, if they're not a sociopathic Republican fark) looks into the mirror, embraces their own flaws, copes with that vulnerability and realizes that someday some young person will have the same epiphany about them.


I love my grandfather. He was very kind to me. He was a racist. He was so misogynistic he got early retired from upper management in a major corporation IN THE 70s. He is no longer here. If he was I would try to teach him. I thought he was joking when I was a kid. It took me until about 20 to realize he was not.

My uncle bought me my first car which allowed me to get my first real post-college job. A $1,000 Toyota. I still consider it the greatest physical gift anyone has ever given me. Three years ago he told me all homosexuals should be killed. We no longer speak.
 
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