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2020-07-05 10:48:11 AM  
For the majority of the last thousands of years, people have used outrage to spread hate, racism, xenophobia, and fear mongering. Betty White had her show canceled in the 1950's for having a black man on her show. I find it funny that when the politics behind the outrage shifts from wanting racism to wanting equality, it becomes "cancel culture' it a whole new thing.

Here's the thing, free speech or not you always have consequences for what you say, and if you're going to publicly be a hateful idiot or support hateful idiots than you will probably have blow back and repercussions. How about they read the farking room and keep their mouths shut. On the other hand they are free to throw their entire life's momentum into a cause if they believe it's worth dying for, but between you and me being against trans' rights doesn't seem like a hill worth dying on, but to each there own.
 
2020-07-05 11:00:51 AM  
Does anything good ever come from social media? All it seems to do is to divide, and enrage people. Call the people you actually call friends. See the family you actually care about. It isn't that difficult. And this is coming from the biggest introvert. I left FB in 2013 only keeping LinkedIn. Last month I just ripped that one down. Honestly, who farking cares?

Posting on those sites can get you shiatcanned, looking at other's life will make you depressed, it builds anger towards people with different thoughts than yourself.

Go read a book or some shiat.

/Fark is the only one I keep
//Gotta feed those squirrels
 
2020-07-05 11:11:34 AM  
In before the "OMG, people are entitled to have their differing opinions respected!" crew gets here.

Yeah, that works for pineapple on pizza, coffee vs tea, etc., but not when it comes to human rights. If your differing opinion is transphobic, homophobic, racist, or similar, then it's a disconnect on the level of basic human decency and doesn't need to be respected.

JK and the exclusionists she supports have caused actual damage in the UK by pushing to have updates to the Gender Recognition Act scrapped, by having support for trans youth dangerously scaled back, by pushing absurd bathroom restrictions, and by generally demonising trans people. Hell, JK's long-form piece on trans people was quoted *here* on the senate floor as a GOP senator blocked a vote on the Equality Act. This isn't some intellectual exercise about trans people, it's all doing real harm here and now.

So yes, standing with bigots has consequences, and it amazes me that people are just *shocked* when they find this out.
 
2020-07-05 11:47:02 AM  
OMG, people are entitled to have their differing opinions respected!
 
2020-07-05 11:48:36 AM  
1. What tjsands and Eclectic said.

2. See xkdc piece of free speech

3. Gillian Phillips isn't famous. She writes under multiple pseudonyms. If you aren't famous, you are particularly disposable. The publisher did the math and realized that her contributions certainly don't outweigh the negative press and made the smart business choice--which to me coincides with the right ethical choice--of sacking her.

4. Phillips isn't the only author working on the Erin Hunt series (or the other two series mentioned in the article)! FTA:

'We recently became aware that Gillian Philip had associated the Erin Hunter pen-name with her personal views on Twitter, thus associating them with the whole collective.
'In light of this situation, the decision was taken to no longer work with Gillian Philip.


So: She associates the name of their--not her--series with transphobia and bigotry, thereby casting a shadow over the whole series and other authors writing for it, and she is farking surprised they don't want to deal with that crap?
 
2020-07-05 11:48:56 AM  
However, Ms Philip - one of several authors writing under the name Erin Hunter on popular animal fantasy series including Warrior Cats, Survivors and Bravelands

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2020-07-05 12:19:16 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Does anything good ever come from social media? All it seems to do is to divide, and enrage people. Call the people you actually call friends. See the family you actually care about. It isn't that difficult. And this is coming from the biggest introvert. I left FB in 2013 only keeping LinkedIn. Last month I just ripped that one down. Honestly, who farking cares?

Posting on those sites can get you shiatcanned, looking at other's life will make you depressed, it builds anger towards people with different thoughts than yourself.

Go read a book or some shiat.

/Fark is the only one I keep
//Gotta feed those squirrels


I'm actually glad to find out which of my friends and family are racists and bigots because if, after a conversation to assess things, they're not willing to change then I'm not willing to expose my children or myself to their fundamental belief that some of us are less equal than others (or worse, "deserve" violence)

Fark that shirt.
 
2020-07-05 12:24:33 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Does anything good ever come from social media? All it seems to do is to divide, and enrage people. Call the people you actually call friends. See the family you actually care about. It isn't that difficult. And this is coming from the biggest introvert. I left FB in 2013 only keeping LinkedIn. Last month I just ripped that one down. Honestly, who farking cares?

Posting on those sites can get you shiatcanned, looking at other's life will make you depressed, it builds anger towards people with different thoughts than yourself.

Go read a book or some shiat.

/Fark is the only one I keep
//Gotta feed those squirrels


I will say that I only ever figured out what the hell was going on with me because of social-media communities of people going "yeah, hey, you actually aren't alone in feeling these dozen very specific things you assumed were just ways you in particular were broken, this is a Thing and maybe you might be that Thing too idk think about it".

Anyway that's all old news but the point is LGBTQ online communities in particular are super important to young LGBTQ people, and those communities (rather understandably) have a ton of overlap with communities around escapist literature for young people, so JKR's sneering attitude towards trans people is  particularly striking.

Like, Orson Scott Card wants to go off and be a weird eugenicist theocrat, okay, sure, that totally fits the narrative. JK Rowling going after her own fanbase communities because she detests some of their members on principle is a bit...like, where is this going, JK, what do you think you're going to gain as a children's fiction author going on a moral crusade against LGBTQ rights -- a topic that is fairly uncontroversial among young people, and which trends farther and farther away from her every year.

I mean, I sort of unfortunately get it when people are bigoted in ways that benefit them personally. But when people in media insist on being bigoted, over and over again, even as it becomes clear they are damaging their own brand, well, that's noteworthy.
 
2020-07-05 12:39:59 PM  
That article was not biased in the least.
 
2020-07-05 12:40:37 PM  
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2020-07-05 12:42:23 PM  
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Would still hit that.

Not being transgendered, nor a woman, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to make a comment here, but; how hard is it to just treat all people as equal human beings?
 
2020-07-05 12:50:04 PM  
Number 3 with megathuma.

When JK's publisher sacks her and Disney vaults the HP series, though, we'll talk about consequences. Otherwise, you're at a "shooting on Fifth Ave" level.
 
2020-07-05 12:51:45 PM  
Good. JK Rowling is a biatch. Met her once when I worked at Scholastic Books. She made a friend of mine cry for no reason in front of a bunch of kids.

Unsurprisingly she is hateful to others she seems icky.

/HP is derivative AF and anything after book 4 was a cash grab.

//Quidditch is a stupid game that makes no sense.

///Terseo slashiramous
 
2020-07-05 12:58:42 PM  
If you can't be all accepting, then, that's unacceptable?
 
2020-07-05 12:58:44 PM  
Social Media tribalism. You are 100% with us or 100% against us, no in-between. And any association with "the Other" will be punished.

Like TJsands mentioned, the outrage/demagoguery method has been used for millennia, only it is automated now.
 
2020-07-05 1:03:01 PM  
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2020-07-05 1:04:11 PM  

Closed_Minded_Bastage: If you can't be all accepting, then, that's unacceptable?


So you spun the logical fallacy wheel and landed on that tired old shiat. Maybe next time you can try a Gish gallop or something indicative of a bit more effort?
 
2020-07-05 1:05:14 PM  

Another Government Employee: Social Media tribalism. You are 100% with us or 100% against us, no in-between. And any association with "the Other" will be punished.

Like TJsands mentioned, the outrage/demagoguery method has been used for millennia, only it is automated now.


I think it's totally acceptable for people to accept no compromise when it comes to basic human rights.
 
2020-07-05 1:07:29 PM  
She's turned into "She who must not be named."
 
2020-07-05 1:08:55 PM  

tjsands1118: For the majority of the last thousands of years, people have used outrage to spread hate, racism, xenophobia, and fear mongering. Betty White had her show canceled in the 1950's for having a black man on her show. I find it funny that when the politics behind the outrage shifts from wanting racism to wanting equality, it becomes "cancel culture' it a whole new thing.

Here's the thing, free speech or not you always have consequences for what you say, and if you're going to publicly be a hateful idiot or support hateful idiots than you will probably have blow back and repercussions. How about they read the farking room and keep their mouths shut. On the other hand they are free to throw their entire life's momentum into a cause if they believe it's worth dying for, but between you and me being against trans' rights doesn't seem like a hill worth dying on, but to each there own.


" ... their own"

/that's my hill!
 
2020-07-05 1:10:43 PM  

thanksagainandagain: Closed_Minded_Bastage: If you can't be all accepting, then, that's unacceptable?

So you spun the logical fallacy wheel and landed on that tired old shiat. Maybe next time you can try a Gish gallop or something indicative of a bit more effort?


Apparently you have all the answers.

My error was the question mark, should have been an exclamation point.
 
2020-07-05 1:10:54 PM  

Snapper Carr: That article was not biased in the least.


It's the daily mail, they've supported racism, homophobia, and nazis (the originals). They are always on the side of hate until it becomes socially unacceptable.
 
2020-07-05 1:11:48 PM  
Michael Scott and Dwight are the only characters who could carry another show. Dwight's family farm would make a great show.

I'd watch a show where Michael Scott gets a new job or is in a different situation every episode. Keep it documentary style and incorporate him doing street performance and pranking people type stuff ala Borat
 
2020-07-05 1:11:59 PM  

Joshudan: /Quidditch is a stupid game that makes no sense.


zero sense

there is only one strategy that makes sense. Send everyone on your team after the snitch (or whatever it's called). You catch it, score 50 points (or whatever) and win the game.

Any other means of scoring points is irrelevant.
 
2020-07-05 1:12:24 PM  
Oops, wrong thread LOL
 
2020-07-05 1:13:11 PM  

Another Government Employee: Social Media tribalism. You are 100% with us or 100% against us, no in-between. And any association with "the Other" will be punished.

Like TJsands mentioned, the outrage/demagoguery method has been used for millennia, only it is automated now.


Yes, if we rephrase this as "you either accept my humanity without condition or I am not interested in talking to you any more," that is a very fair statement I think?
 
2020-07-05 1:15:20 PM  

Closed_Minded_Bastage: thanksagainandagain: Closed_Minded_Bastage: If you can't be all accepting, then, that's unacceptable?

So you spun the logical fallacy wheel and landed on that tired old shiat. Maybe next time you can try a Gish gallop or something indicative of a bit more effort?

Apparently you have all the answers.

My error was the question mark, should have been an exclamation point.


'Why can't I wear my Klan outfit in public without being fired?'
 
2020-07-05 1:32:46 PM  
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...welcomes another resident.  It's conveniently located next to Franz Kafka International Airport.
 
2020-07-05 1:47:16 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Number 3 with megathuma.

When JK's publisher sacks her and Disney vaults the HP series, though, we'll talk about consequences. Otherwise, you're at a "shooting on Fifth Ave" level.


Disney doesn't own the HP series, that's Warner
 
2020-07-05 1:49:22 PM  

Prussian_Roulette: [Fark user image image 350x225]
...welcomes another resident.  It's conveniently located next to Franz Kafka International Airport.


Already addressed above, dumbass.
 
2020-07-05 1:53:34 PM  

Prussian_Roulette: [Fark user image 350x225]
...welcomes another resident.  It's conveniently located next to Franz Kafka International Airport.


Poor you, can't make fun of the blacks, trans, and Jews out in public like the good ol' days?
 
2020-07-05 1:54:26 PM  

LucklessWonder: OtherLittleGuy: Number 3 with megathuma.

When JK's publisher sacks her and Disney vaults the HP series, though, we'll talk about consequences. Otherwise, you're at a "shooting on Fifth Ave" level.

Disney doesn't own the HP series, that's Warner


Maybe that's been the real plan all along. Make the HP series become so toxic, perhaps the Mouse won't want to devour Warner Brothers.

Simply making bad DC movies wasn't enough. 20th Century Fox made some real stinkers in the X-Men series but it didn't save them.
 
2020-07-05 1:56:43 PM  
Social media isn't the problem. It's just a platform. Facebook is what you, the user, make of it. My feed is nothing but music, movies, TV and the few sane coworkers, friends and family I haven't silenced for political dipshiattery at either end of the spectrum.
 
2020-07-05 1:57:23 PM  

Prussian_Roulette: [Fark user image image 350x225]
...welcomes another resident.  It's conveniently located next to Franz Kafka International Airport.


>Criticising me for using slurs is literally putting me in a death camp, I should be free to say whatever I want to anyone and nobody else should be allowed to disagree with me

>I'm tired of all these hyperbolic snowflakes and their need for safe spaces
 
2020-07-05 2:04:37 PM  

Eclectic: In before the "OMG, people are entitled to have their differing opinions respected!" crew gets here.

Yeah, that works for pineapple on pizza, coffee vs tea, etc., but not when it comes to human rights. If your differing opinion is transphobic, homophobic, racist, or similar, then it's a disconnect on the level of basic human decency and doesn't need to be respected.

JK and the exclusionists she supports have caused actual damage in the UK by pushing to have updates to the Gender Recognition Act scrapped, by having support for trans youth dangerously scaled back, by pushing absurd bathroom restrictions, and by generally demonising trans people. Hell, JK's long-form piece on trans people was quoted *here* on the senate floor as a GOP senator blocked a vote on the Equality Act. This isn't some intellectual exercise about trans people, it's all doing real harm here and now.

So yes, standing with bigots has consequences, and it amazes me that people are just *shocked* when they find this out.


That's great but when a group of people with a certain agenda get to evaluate whether what you write/ post is racist/transphobic etc, you have the situation we have today.
 
2020-07-05 2:06:29 PM  

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I find that lays out the model decently roughen, but not the correct framing for my POV.
It's not that tolerance is paradoxical, this is not a rational/intelligent concept to apply to maintaining your own culture's existence.

To even imagine that your culture is only one of tolerance if you also include to tolerate your culture's own destruction from within. That notion is just plainly illogical/unintelligent.

It can only be paradoxical if we imagined tolerance has no limits of any kind ever as the reasonable norm.

And that's where we hit the human wall, simpletons need flat no questions asked one note answers to repeat, not judgement calls to to apply critical thinking too and risk being wrong sometimes.

So by my POV, karl only has to explain tolerance like that, when it has to be explained to people that want to claim to be tolerant, but they lack in reasonable critical thinking skills.
Obviously a cultural noirm to not defend one's own cultural existnce, that you believe is good and right, from those that would destroy it, internal or external, is not a rational behavir of reasonably intelligent people.
 
2020-07-05 2:07:00 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Not being transgendered, nor a woman, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to make a comment here, but; how hard is it to just treat all people as equal human beings?


Everyone is *allowed* to comment.  If you say something insensitive and mean well most people will try to give a friendly suggestion how to avoid that.  If you say something insensitive because you're trying to, you'll probably receive a less friendly correction.  If you double down on it and go full asshole, then you'll probably get an asshole response.  Same as it ever was.  2054 years ago 27 Roman senators cancelled Julius Caesar.  Political correctness run amok!
 
2020-07-05 2:08:34 PM  

stellarossa: Eclectic: In before the "OMG, people are entitled to have their differing opinions respected!" crew gets here.

Yeah, that works for pineapple on pizza, coffee vs tea, etc., but not when it comes to human rights. If your differing opinion is transphobic, homophobic, racist, or similar, then it's a disconnect on the level of basic human decency and doesn't need to be respected.

JK and the exclusionists she supports have caused actual damage in the UK by pushing to have updates to the Gender Recognition Act scrapped, by having support for trans youth dangerously scaled back, by pushing absurd bathroom restrictions, and by generally demonising trans people. Hell, JK's long-form piece on trans people was quoted *here* on the senate floor as a GOP senator blocked a vote on the Equality Act. This isn't some intellectual exercise about trans people, it's all doing real harm here and now.

So yes, standing with bigots has consequences, and it amazes me that people are just *shocked* when they find this out.

That's great but when a group of people with a certain agenda get to evaluate whether what you write/ post is racist/transphobic etc, you have the situation we have today.


Mmmhmm.  And what group and what agenda would that be, pray tell?
 
2020-07-05 2:09:08 PM  

stellarossa: Eclectic: In before the "OMG, people are entitled to have their differing opinions respected!" crew gets here.

Yeah, that works for pineapple on pizza, coffee vs tea, etc., but not when it comes to human rights. If your differing opinion is transphobic, homophobic, racist, or similar, then it's a disconnect on the level of basic human decency and doesn't need to be respected.

JK and the exclusionists she supports have caused actual damage in the UK by pushing to have updates to the Gender Recognition Act scrapped, by having support for trans youth dangerously scaled back, by pushing absurd bathroom restrictions, and by generally demonising trans people. Hell, JK's long-form piece on trans people was quoted *here* on the senate floor as a GOP senator blocked a vote on the Equality Act. This isn't some intellectual exercise about trans people, it's all doing real harm here and now.

So yes, standing with bigots has consequences, and it amazes me that people are just *shocked* when they find this out.

That's great but when a group of people with a certain agenda get to evaluate whether what you write/ post is racist/transphobic etc, you have the situation we have today.


If trans people are telling you something is transphobic, listen to them

If PoC are telling you something is racist, listen to them.

If gay people are saying something is homophobic, listen to them.

People NOT in the group being marginalised telling the people that are being attacked/dehumanised/further maginalised that they're wrong to be upset? Yeah, f*ck that.
 
2020-07-05 2:16:47 PM  
Just out of curiosity, and since this is FARK, I think we all know the answer, but how many people who think JK should be put up against the wall actually read what she wrote?
 
2020-07-05 2:17:31 PM  
This is why taxes on the filthy rich (even the self-made ones) are WAY. TOO. LOW.

You lose touch with any sense of reality and humanity as you sickly think your opinions and beliefs are actually WORTH MORE than mere proletarians - even those that are your fans.  Or, in this case, were your fans.

"Billionaires shouldn't exist."
 
2020-07-05 2:20:22 PM  

highrye: Just out of curiosity, and since this is FARK, I think we all know the answer, but how many people who think JK should be put up against the wall actually read what she wrote?


It's like a straw turkducken.  Having demonstrated that you're incapable of an honest conversation, I wont miss you.
 
2020-07-05 2:24:22 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: highrye: Just out of curiosity, and since this is FARK, I think we all know the answer, but how many people who think JK should be put up against the wall actually read what she wrote?

It's like a straw turkducken.  Having demonstrated that you're incapable of an honest conversation, I wont miss you.


What? By asking how many people actually read what she wrote, you jump to me being incapable of an honest conversation?
 
2020-07-05 2:25:00 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Does anything good ever come from social media?


I wouldn't know that you don't know what social media is
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soc​i​al_media
 
2020-07-05 2:25:59 PM  
because no where on all of earth ever has any human ever truly had free speech.

Tell this person they had it, go on explain how free they were to openly speak their mind, if it can cost them their livelihood to do so.
Freedom of speech does not come from your govt entirely. That's only half the way to it.The rest of it comes from each and every one of you, allowing others to speak their mind BY NOT RETALIATING AGAINST THEM WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SAY.If you lose your means of food/shelter/water, for what you said/thought, and it was because The Gubment said so, or because Jeff Bozo says so, DON"T MAKE A FOOK LICK OF DIFFERENCE, you can still lose your job for what you said, SO THE FOOK YOU AIN'T FREE TO SAY IT.And guess what, you never can be either.  If you speak against the culturally dominant paradigm, if you advocate an end to their cultural norms, you are picking a fight, you are in fact not able to be tolerated.There is a reason that club has to were face masks and hide who they are. We won't tolerate such and have decide that racist/sexists/ any view that says not all people equal treatment under the law, and not equal treatment in our culture (access to opportunity).Get it right dumbfooks, there ain't no such thing as freedom of speech, every word out our mouth might be very costly to have said. It has always been and will always be this way, freedom of speech is a total lie of fake ass make believe.And this story, and all others like it prove it, if that person had been free to speak their mind, they'd not have had it cost them their job to do so.And it is always this way, if cultural norm is X, and you want a job that is expected has to uphold that social norm that has been coifed to law( equal employment opportunity). Then the fook you can;t freely speak your mind because as soon as we find out you truly do not belvei in that equality, then we can't reasonably expert you to fulfill your obligations and so can't be allowed to hold that job.Go on, tell how free someone who is a cop who spoke o inform us how they are an avoi9ut racists can be allowed to kreep their job?So if they can loose their job for their freedom of expressing their thoughts, they do not appear to be all that free to do so do they?
 
2020-07-05 2:26:17 PM  

highrye: Just out of curiosity, and since this is FARK, I think we all know the answer, but how many people who think JK should be put up against the wall actually read what she wrote?


You know who else wanted to put people against the wall?
 
2020-07-05 2:26:50 PM  
because no where on all of earth ever has any human ever truly had free speech.


Tell this person they had it, go on explain how free they were to openly speak their mind, if it can cost them their livelihood to do so.


Freedom of speech does not come from your govt entirely. That's only half the way to it.
The rest of it comes from each and every one of you, allowing others to speak their mind BY NOT RETALIATING AGAINST THEM WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SAY.

If you lose your means of food/shelter/water, for what you said/thought, and it was because The Gubment said so, or because Jeff Bozo says so, DON"T MAKE A FOOK LICK OF DIFFERENCE, you can still lose your job for what you said, SO THE FOOK YOU AIN'T FREE TO SAY IT.


And guess what, you never can be either.If you speak against the culturally dominant paradigm, if you advocate an end to their cultural norms, you are picking a fight, you are in fact not able to be tolerated.

There is a reason that club has to were face masks and hide who they are. We won't tolerate such and have decide that racist/sexists/ any view that says not all people equal treatment under the law, and not equal treatment in our culture (access to opportunity).

Get it right dumbfooks, there ain't no such thing as freedom of speech, every word out our mouth might be very costly to have said. It has always been and will always be this way, freedom of speech is a total lie of fake ass make believe.

And this story, and all others like it prove it, if that person had been free to speak their mind, they'd not have had it cost them their job to do so.

And it is always this way, if cultural norm is X, and you want a job that is expected has to uphold that social norm that has been coifed to law( equal employment opportunity). Then the fook you can;t freely speak your mind because as soon as we find out you truly do not belvei in that equality, then we can't reasonably expert you to fulfill your obligations and so can't be allowed to hold that job.

Go on, tell how free someone who is a cop who spoke o inform us how they are an avoi9ut racists can be allowed to kreep their job?So if they can loose their job for their freedom of expressing their thoughts, they do not appear to be all that free to do so do they?
 
2020-07-05 2:28:00 PM  

Eclectic: stellarossa: Eclectic: In before the "OMG, people are entitled to have their differing opinions respected!" crew gets here.

Yeah, that works for pineapple on pizza, coffee vs tea, etc., but not when it comes to human rights. If your differing opinion is transphobic, homophobic, racist, or similar, then it's a disconnect on the level of basic human decency and doesn't need to be respected.

JK and the exclusionists she supports have caused actual damage in the UK by pushing to have updates to the Gender Recognition Act scrapped, by having support for trans youth dangerously scaled back, by pushing absurd bathroom restrictions, and by generally demonising trans people. Hell, JK's long-form piece on trans people was quoted *here* on the senate floor as a GOP senator blocked a vote on the Equality Act. This isn't some intellectual exercise about trans people, it's all doing real harm here and now.

So yes, standing with bigots has consequences, and it amazes me that people are just *shocked* when they find this out.

That's great but when a group of people with a certain agenda get to evaluate whether what you write/ post is racist/transphobic etc, you have the situation we have today.

If trans people are telling you something is transphobic, listen to them

If PoC are telling you something is racist, listen to them.

If gay people are saying something is homophobic, listen to them.

People NOT in the group being marginalised telling the people that are being attacked/dehumanised/further maginalised that they're wrong to be upset? Yeah, f*ck that.


So when the fundamentalists go on their We're Being Oppressed song and dance should I listen to them?
 
2020-07-05 2:35:05 PM  

Farker Soze: So when the fundamentalists go on their We're Being Oppressed song and dance should I listen to them?


Lance Armstrong *vehemently* self-identified as a PED non-user. Thankfully we didn't have to take him at his word.

Rowling just said that there are differences between men and women and transwomen don't have the same experience as natal women. She didn't say anything hateful and she's gotten a deluge of death threats as a result. Joanne Rowling is a domestic abuse survivor who had to go by J.K. Rowling as a pen name due to sexism within the publishing industry so maybe she knows a thing or two about being oppressed.
 
2020-07-05 2:36:52 PM  

Farker Soze: Eclectic: stellarossa: Eclectic: In before the "OMG, people are entitled to have their differing opinions respected!" crew gets here.

Yeah, that works for pineapple on pizza, coffee vs tea, etc., but not when it comes to human rights. If your differing opinion is transphobic, homophobic, racist, or similar, then it's a disconnect on the level of basic human decency and doesn't need to be respected.

JK and the exclusionists she supports have caused actual damage in the UK by pushing to have updates to the Gender Recognition Act scrapped, by having support for trans youth dangerously scaled back, by pushing absurd bathroom restrictions, and by generally demonising trans people. Hell, JK's long-form piece on trans people was quoted *here* on the senate floor as a GOP senator blocked a vote on the Equality Act. This isn't some intellectual exercise about trans people, it's all doing real harm here and now.

So yes, standing with bigots has consequences, and it amazes me that people are just *shocked* when they find this out.

That's great but when a group of people with a certain agenda get to evaluate whether what you write/ post is racist/transphobic etc, you have the situation we have today.

If trans people are telling you something is transphobic, listen to them

If PoC are telling you something is racist, listen to them.

If gay people are saying something is homophobic, listen to them.

People NOT in the group being marginalised telling the people that are being attacked/dehumanised/further maginalised that they're wrong to be upset? Yeah, f*ck that.

So when the fundamentalists go on their We're Being Oppressed song and dance should I listen to them?


Since they are usually saying that in response to wanting to be racist/transphobic/homophobic etc. without repercussions? Nope.

Because sure as hell, they scream oppression loudest when wanting to not provide goods and services to gay people, and when they try to keep trans people from peeing in peace. It's just the modern iteration on railing against interracial marriage in the name of their god while simultaneously screaming oppression.

F*ck em.
 
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