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2020-07-04 6:59:40 PM  
66 votes:

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is that alan rickman????


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2020-07-04 3:54:31 PM  
52 votes:
Let's ask the new school nurse what he thinks...

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2020-07-04 7:20:54 PM  
27 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: Herein lies the problem.

1.) The obvious solution is to not open them. Of all of the teachers I know, this is the preference.
2.) Teachers for the most part, hate trying to teach remotely as they know it is vastly less efficient and effective than in person.
3.) We have come to finally realize that schools are more so child care facilities than they are viewed as educational facilities. The entire strategy of a return to work revolves around kids going back to school or parents finding an effective child care strategy which were already in short supply or cost-prohibitive.
4.) The idea is that kids will likely rebound. What isn't mentioned often enough is that the teachers and staff won't, the parents and extended family of the child won't. Children are primary plague vectors of almost every illness as it will spread through the family unit rapidly.
5.) This does not leave a whole lot of good options. When some sort of return to work is needed but childcare and school are not open, what happens? Well, I will tell you what happens. The parents are going to win this one and schools will be pushed to reopen so parents can go back to work. We will see an ungodly spike because A) You cannot effectively manage kids on a good day let alone with masks and social distancing during a pandemic B) Same goes for adults.

The best solution in my eyes would be to keep the farking schools closed and subsidize families who cannot afford to stay home. There has to be a hell of a lot of money we start throwing at this problem as that is the only way people are likely to stay the fark at home. The other option is to hemorrhage money dealing with the repercussions and economic calamity.


All valid points. I have every confidence in the highly effective people running our various public education systems to make the right decisions without influence from special interests or political allies.
 
2020-07-04 7:19:10 PM  
25 votes:

WyDave: [Fark user image image 425x294]Our Republican State Superintendent just benched herself for two weeks because she attended an event with Kim Guilfoyle. It'd be nice if our leaders had the sense god gave geese


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2020-07-04 8:55:20 PM  
13 votes:

bobbyjoebobby: Children are not vectors


Daaaaaaamn, son.  You went right out there, to the edge of stupid, looked around, and jumped right the fark in.
 
2020-07-04 6:51:36 PM  
12 votes:

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is that alan rickman????
 
2020-07-04 7:48:53 PM  
10 votes:
Meh.

You can always make more.
 
2020-07-04 7:08:02 PM  
10 votes:
Easy solution: mines with chalk boards.

Oh like YOU don't want to send your kids to dangerous and meaningless toil deep underground after months of confinement.

/ I have no kids myself but wow am I hearing it from the breeders.
 
2020-07-04 7:53:35 PM  
9 votes:
Once again, New Zealand has the answer

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2020-07-04 10:08:35 PM  
7 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Somebody needs to come up with a plan, soon.


Let's hope it's Donald Trump, he's really good at doing things.
 
2020-07-04 8:03:37 PM  
7 votes:
If you stop having kids you won't need schools.
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2020-07-04 8:17:26 PM  
6 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: Herein lies the problem.

1.) The obvious solution is to not open them. Of all of the teachers I know, this is the preference.
2.) Teachers for the most part, hate trying to teach remotely as they know it is vastly less efficient and effective than in person.
3.) We have come to finally realize that schools are more so child care facilities than they are viewed as educational facilities. The entire strategy of a return to work revolves around kids going back to school or parents finding an effective child care strategy which were already in short supply or cost-prohibitive.
4.) The idea is that kids will likely rebound. What isn't mentioned often enough is that the teachers and staff won't, the parents and extended family of the child won't. Children are primary plague vectors of almost every illness as it will spread through the family unit rapidly.
5.) This does not leave a whole lot of good options. When some sort of return to work is needed but childcare and school are not open, what happens? Well, I will tell you what happens. The parents are going to win this one and schools will be pushed to reopen so parents can go back to work. We will see an ungodly spike because A) You cannot effectively manage kids on a good day let alone with masks and social distancing during a pandemic B) Same goes for adults.

The best solution in my eyes would be to keep the farking schools closed and subsidize families who cannot afford to stay home. There has to be a hell of a lot of money we start throwing at this problem as that is the only way people are likely to stay the fark at home. The other option is to hemorrhage money dealing with the repercussions and economic calamity.


1. Not true
2. True
3. If schools are just child care we should close them. This is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while
4. Children are not vectors. Please do some actual research.
5. No, we won't.
 
2020-07-04 8:52:50 PM  
5 votes:

Jerseysteve22: bobbyjoebobby: gregz18: We keep hearing, over and over, that this virus spreads so much more in an indoor setting.  Schools are not a magical place where the virus won't spread.

School districts all over the country, since April/May, should have been creating plans for at least a hybrid system for this fall, and should be trying to get that information out to parents, teachers, and students, so that they know what to expect.

Of course, again - NO leadership from the federal government - although in this case, like the article mentions, we probably don't want the Secretary of Education involved on this one.  You want to talk about useless - she is beyond useless.

Yeah, my kids private school has been making plans since there was a hint back in March that schools might close.

Why is your school waiting for the federal government? Why can't they figure this out? Why do they need someone in Washington telling them what to do?

Oh yeah, victim mentality.

As someone who has taught, most administrators are not the best and brightest and fled the classroom at the  first opportunity. Don't expect much forward thinking.


As an half-admin, I agree.  In so many ways.

I fled the classroom because being part admin doubled my salary.

I found the admin part very easy if you stay on top of things with a few related ideals:

1) they are policies, not law
2) policies will not properly address all situations; exceptions do exist.
3) realizing half of people are below average
4) empathy

all my fellow admins lament how busy they are while I spend 80% of my day on fark.  I really never saw a group of people so dedicated to solving problems that don't exist.
 
2020-07-04 7:16:46 PM  
5 votes:
There's some growing data from contact tracing studies that show that younger children both tend not to get infected as easily, and that those who do turn positive for the virus are about 4 fold less likely to transmit the virus to adults. This is still what would have to be called preliminary but it contrasts with our instincts about how schools spread the flu and colds.

Some places are bound and determined to open schools. What we should do is follow those "experiments" closely. Every kid gets tested twice a week. Not individual tests, do the simpler oral saliva swab, pool 10 students. Turn over results in 24 hours. If you get a positive on a pool for a class, individually test everyone in that class, their siblings, and the teacher. Pull the positive kid for two weeks. If you get a second positive in the class during that two weeks, the whole class goes home on quarantine.

Have a plan for what it will take to shut down the whole school. Publish it. If you trigger the condition, follow through and close the school.

Different school districts will have their variations. Keep track of what works, what fails. Avoid repeating failures.
 
2020-07-04 6:52:01 PM  
5 votes:
Home Schools don't have a significant problem with this.
 
2020-07-04 9:00:14 PM  
4 votes:

Birnone: If it's not safe enough to allow people to cram together in church, in restaurants, in movie theaters, or inside sports arenas, what kind of moran thinks a school classroom can be made safe for the kids and teachers?


The kind of moron who also opened all those other things.

You know... Republican governors.
 
2020-07-04 8:01:58 PM  
4 votes:
I think I'm gonna send the little french fries to a catholic school.  Once those nuns get a 2-yard stick then I know social distancing will be maintained with a vengeance.
 
2020-07-04 7:45:27 PM  
4 votes:

gregscott: Home Schools don't have a significant problem with this.


They also don't have anything resembling a legitimate curriculum.
 
2020-07-04 7:09:04 PM  
4 votes:

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is that alan rickman????

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always loved him.  great actor

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2020-07-04 3:37:17 PM  
4 votes:
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2020-07-04 8:46:42 PM  
3 votes:
Rand Paul knows. Did anyone ask him?
 
2020-07-04 8:36:00 PM  
3 votes:

bobbyjoebobby: gregz18: We keep hearing, over and over, that this virus spreads so much more in an indoor setting.  Schools are not a magical place where the virus won't spread.

School districts all over the country, since April/May, should have been creating plans for at least a hybrid system for this fall, and should be trying to get that information out to parents, teachers, and students, so that they know what to expect.

Of course, again - NO leadership from the federal government - although in this case, like the article mentions, we probably don't want the Secretary of Education involved on this one.  You want to talk about useless - she is beyond useless.

Yeah, my kids private school has been making plans since there was a hint back in March that schools might close.

Why is your school waiting for the federal government? Why can't they figure this out? Why do they need someone in Washington telling them what to do?

Oh yeah, victim mentality.


As someone who has taught, most administrators are not the best and brightest and fled the classroom at the  first opportunity. Don't expect much forward thinking.
 
2020-07-04 8:11:36 PM  
3 votes:

gregz18: We keep hearing, over and over, that this virus spreads so much more in an indoor setting.  Schools are not a magical place where the virus won't spread.

School districts all over the country, since April/May, should have been creating plans for at least a hybrid system for this fall, and should be trying to get that information out to parents, teachers, and students, so that they know what to expect.

Of course, again - NO leadership from the federal government - although in this case, like the article mentions, we probably don't want the Secretary of Education involved on this one.  You want to talk about useless - she is beyond useless.


Yeah, my kids private school has been making plans since there was a hint back in March that schools might close.

Why is your school waiting for the federal government? Why can't they figure this out? Why do they need someone in Washington telling them what to do?

Oh yeah, victim mentality.
 
2020-07-04 7:08:04 PM  
3 votes:
The only way to do schooling safely with the amount of community virus transmission in many parts of the world, including the US, is either on-line or by adopting a boarding school model: kids & staff show up at the beginning of the school year and don't leave, or meet any visitors, until the end of the school year.

Given that COVID-19 will take years (or even decades) to bring under control, several cohorts of young people will be completely screwed even before they grow up into a world destroyed by climate change.

We, as a society, have eaten our seed corn and there's absolutely no way to undo that damage.
 
2020-07-05 12:50:37 PM  
2 votes:

Murkanen: They also need a maths education that doesn't start with "pi=3"


Well, you have to round it off someplace...
 
2020-07-05 1:28:48 AM  
2 votes:

RussianPotato: Cool.  Now how do you teach the little monsters to socialize with others?


Fortnite...

On a related note, how far in Alaska do you have to go to totally avoid Civilization?
//asking for a friend
 
2020-07-04 11:53:59 PM  
2 votes:
I really hope they reopen. Only because my kid has autism and needs the classes in person. He can't sit still and focus on a computer.
 
2020-07-04 11:14:30 PM  
2 votes:
I know of a way

It is a good way as far as risk/benefits go

But it is not a nice way

First we find the school that has, on average, the most expendable kids in America. Send that  school half a billion dollars for classroom and teacher upgrades since they will be the lab rats and will earn these nice things

Then we send the kids back to that school using our best practices

Then wait and watch

When things eventually turn into hellish death for the unlucky ones we report it to news agencies

Then, after the accurate news agencies report on the tragic outcomes, we go to the threads of Fark and implement the policies of the motherfarkers here who always have 20/20 hindsight and open up the rest of the schools
 
2020-07-04 10:14:41 PM  
2 votes:

paygun: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Somebody needs to come up with a plan, soon.

Let's hope it's Donald Trump, he's really good at doing things.


The best plan. Bigly successful. A beautiful plan where parts of the plan are so good. The Fake News Media and Sleepy Joe have no plan.
 
2020-07-04 9:30:12 PM  
2 votes:

DarnoKonrad: Test everyone.  So you quarantine the right people, and then cautiously reopen things.  You know, like the experts have been saying for 5 FARKING MONTHS NOW.


The USA is pretty much past the point of no return. It's too late in the game to even attempt contact tracing.

You really want someone to risk their life by dropping by Cleutus's trailer park and asking all sorts of questions regarding where they've been & whom they've had been in contact with because the government scientists need to know?

We're looking at 4M to 10M confirmed and unconfirmed covid-19 deaths easily by the time this is all over.

Hell, we might be looking at whole towns in the Midwest and the rural south cleared out because of the medical cormobidities like obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and high blood pressure that are ever so prevalent and untreated in rural America.
 
2020-07-04 9:02:51 PM  
2 votes:

bobbyjoebobby: Not Y3K Compliant: Ugh, they closed schools in March and went to online "learning".  I understand it was rushed and teachers had very little time to prepare, but it was basically seeing the teacher once a week via zoom and printing out assignments.  The 1st grade teacher told us that half the class never even checked in online for the remaining of the school year.

They will end up opening schools up with limited capacity; those that can afford to not send their kids can stay fully online - the rest have no choice.  No idea what they will do with the buses.

They will try to get all the kids to wear masks; there will be no recess, desks will be spaced out as much as possible.  I think they will ask parents to take their children't temperature every day and give unlimited sick days.

We are lucky that one of us can stay home with the kids.  We are not going to be sending them and have been learning about home schooling to at least gauge how the online component of the school compares.

My high schooler was incin from 8:20-3:00 every day. Required to be on the zoom meeting for each class. Schedule just like normal. The elementary kids had zoom class, recess, study time, zoom class etc. Just like being there in person. They learned a lot and got a lot done.

Oh yeah, they go to evil private school. Public school parents did nothing but complain about how unprepared their school was. eLearning was basically print your assignment and hope the kid does it. Every passes.


Private schools should be banned.
 
2020-07-04 8:56:15 PM  
2 votes:

jtown: Was the obvious tag MIA?

Without a vaccine, we can't put kids back in school.


It was social distancing
 
2020-07-04 8:24:59 PM  
2 votes:
Don't care how they do it. Just get the little shiats off the streets.
 
2020-07-04 7:53:56 PM  
2 votes:
32 kids in 10-12th graders in a science classroom. I will have kids who comply to every rule and I'll have kids purposefully removing their mask to cough on each other and yell "You got Corona"! Once they see admin, advocates, etc are overwhelmed from teachers asking for that student to be removed, they'll realize there will be a lack of consequence (yet again) and therefore do what they want. And it only takes 1-2 like that and with up to 32 kids per class, the odds are likely. Then we have 4 lunch periods for the 2100+ students we have. Gonna be fun, and to think I decided not to sell my house and move over seas as planned. Oh well. I know a lot of people will try their best no matter what we are told to do. Our country would never consider funds for day care to facilitate a better strategy, I assume we will do a hybrid model and it really won't matter because they're coming from houses holds where 5 kids across multiple grades is common and they'll just add to the spread between schools. Though there is a lot of blow back online saying to fire the teacher who don't want to go back, thinking we can just hire new grads, despite their being a 600K teacher shortage and sub shortage as well. Should be a wild crazy ride. I'm sure America will proceed with the foresight and tact it is known for.
 
2020-07-04 7:06:33 PM  
2 votes:
Home schooled kids are barely aware of a pandemic. From now or any age. And that's not a good thing.
 
2020-07-05 1:00:20 PM  
1 vote:

Surrender your boo-tah: Gyrfalcon: namegoeshere: This is one where there is no good answer.

Yeah, there is: Wait till there's a vaccine. Period. Or, accept that 80% of kids will contract the virus, and 4% will die, just like it was back in the bad old days of smallpox, measles, typhoid, and diphtheria, before vaccines were ever invented.

Where are you getting 4%?


Highest accepted death rate for COVID.
 
2020-07-05 5:40:30 AM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, there is: Wait till there's a vaccine. Period. Or, accept that 80% of kids will contract the virus, and 4% will die, just like it was back in the bad old days of smallpox, measles, typhoid, and diphtheria, before vaccines were ever invented.


The current estimated fatality rate in children is 0.01%, four hundred times less than you suggest.
 
2020-07-05 4:00:12 AM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: namegoeshere: This is one where there is no good answer.

Yeah, there is: Wait till there's a vaccine. Period. Or, accept that 80% of kids will contract the virus, and 4% will die, just like it was back in the bad old days of smallpox, measles, typhoid, and diphtheria, before vaccines were ever invented.


Again, there is a growing body of evidence from multiple nations in the EU that children are less likely to become infected, and less likely to infect others as compared with adults. This is observed to differ significantly from how influenza is typically spread where children are more likely to get the flu and then spread it to their family.

People have floated theories about why but it isn't known. Nevertheless, the "experiment" has been done. Iceland has done the best testing. Sweden did a free for all. Schools have not been significant sources for spreading the virus.

This does not mean that it's safe to open schools where there is significant community spread, where there is a high proportion o the population currently infected, or where the rate of infections is accelerating. That would rule out most of the US right now, at least for portions of most states.

But schools could be opened with adequate testing in place provided there is an adequate provision to close the school if an outbreak is detected that goes beyond about 2 in an isolated classroom.

Like it or not, the experiment is going to take place. I'll be putting my energies into demanding aggressive testing schedules so that we can detect and halt any outbreaks focused in schools.
 
2020-07-05 2:53:36 AM  
1 vote:
Boarding school.  Fill the gym up with cots, and the little brats don't bring the covid home to kill grandma.  They come home when the vaccine is available. 

As someone who is locked down with children, I don't see any other way.
 
2020-07-05 12:37:23 AM  
1 vote:
In the San Francisco bay area, 40 school principals held a meeting to discuss how to reopen schools.

Soon after, one of them tested positive for covid, and now all 40 are under self quarantine.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local​/​south-bay/more-than-40-school-principa​ls-quarantined-after-covid-19-exposure​/2319031/
 
2020-07-04 11:43:59 PM  
1 vote:

RussianPotato: Cool.  Now how do you teach the little monsters to socialize with others?


Abstinence Education?

Just Say No?

/dammit who typed a question mark in to the teleprompter!
 
2020-07-04 11:33:26 PM  
1 vote:

Jeteupthemiddle: HideAndGoFarkYourself: powhound: What a bunch of great comments here. If most of you were running the country we would be in much better shape.

We had the chance to do it the right way. We saw what was going on in other countries and we saw the steps being taken to successfully crush that first wave. Coulda. Shoulda. Mostly didn't.

All we needed to do was mask up and avoid indoor group settings. And we had to do that as a nation for maybe six weeks. Unfortunately that's hard for people. The uproar is going to be epic when schools are forced to close again in September. Commenters in our local news rag already are calling for schools to be defunded because they don't want to pay tax dollars for "services promised but not delivered". Yeah go ahead and find out how much that would ultimately cost.

Tbh districts ought to be working overtime right now developing plans, and maybe they are, but teachers should be involved also. I haven't heard a peep since the first week in June. Personal opinion? Yeah, it's gonna be a total shiatshow as we expect.

I don't really see schools closing again once they're opened. I think we'll see a vast majority of places try to push through until there's an effective treatment or vaccine and any losses of students and teachers will be dismissed as the cost of doing business.

I also can't wait for the absolute shiat storm from the far right and anti-vaxxers when schools require a COVID vaccine for students.

My district is operating under the assumption that we will be opening and closing often. Each child in grades 3-8 (we don't have a high school) is getting chromebooks (this required my district to buy one extra grade's worth of books as they have been buying chrome books for a few years now), and every child in grades k-2 is getting an iPad. The devices need to go home every night in case school is suddenly closed and we transition into online learning.

New York schools typically open after Labor Day. Each district has to submit the ...


Cool.  Now how do you teach the little monsters to socialize with others?
 
2020-07-04 10:36:43 PM  
1 vote:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: namegoeshere: This is one where there is no good answer.

Plenty of bad ones, though.

I'm sure this administration will pick some of them from the long and growing list.


never doubt any administration's ability to make a bad decision.
 
2020-07-04 10:02:38 PM  
1 vote:
Wait until you have several dead teachers and students per school. What's it going to do to their self esteem when they bring the virus home and kill nana and pop pop?
 
2020-07-04 9:54:03 PM  
1 vote:

dbaggins: Jerseysteve22: I fled the classroom because being part admin doubled my salary.


Sort of starting to understand how we keep having lowering education quality....


Says the guy who can't quote a post properly
 
2020-07-04 9:16:01 PM  
1 vote:

Jerseysteve22: I fled the classroom because being part admin doubled my salary.



Sort of starting to understand how we keep having lowering education quality....
 
2020-07-04 8:56:32 PM  
1 vote:

namegoeshere: This is one where there is no good answer.


Plenty of bad ones, though.

I'm sure this administration will pick some of them from the long and growing list.
 
2020-07-04 8:43:39 PM  
1 vote:

Vacation Bible School: Wave 2 of the 1918 flu emerged in late August. Then wave 3 the following January. Of course we're still going to be riding wave 1...


The Godfather Part II cam out two years after the original.  Then Part III came out 16 years later.  I think we can all agree that Part III was much worse than the first two, but at least we have 18 years to prepare.
 
2020-07-04 8:26:40 PM  
1 vote:
HOME SCHULE KIDS URENT WEERDOS ANYMOREE!!!
 
2020-07-04 8:23:26 PM  
1 vote:

bobbyjoebobby: the money is in the banana stand: Herein lies the problem.

1.) The obvious solution is to not open them. Of all of the teachers I know, this is the preference.
2.) Teachers for the most part, hate trying to teach remotely as they know it is vastly less efficient and effective than in person.
3.) We have come to finally realize that schools are more so child care facilities than they are viewed as educational facilities. The entire strategy of a return to work revolves around kids going back to school or parents finding an effective child care strategy which were already in short supply or cost-prohibitive.
4.) The idea is that kids will likely rebound. What isn't mentioned often enough is that the teachers and staff won't, the parents and extended family of the child won't. Children are primary plague vectors of almost every illness as it will spread through the family unit rapidly.
5.) This does not leave a whole lot of good options. When some sort of return to work is needed but childcare and school are not open, what happens? Well, I will tell you what happens. The parents are going to win this one and schools will be pushed to reopen so parents can go back to work. We will see an ungodly spike because A) You cannot effectively manage kids on a good day let alone with masks and social distancing during a pandemic B) Same goes for adults.

The best solution in my eyes would be to keep the farking schools closed and subsidize families who cannot afford to stay home. There has to be a hell of a lot of money we start throwing at this problem as that is the only way people are likely to stay the fark at home. The other option is to hemorrhage money dealing with the repercussions and economic calamity.

1. Not true
2. True
3. If schools are just child care we should close them. This is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while
4. Children are not vectors. Please do some actual research.
5. No, we won't.


In modern American society, yes, schools  are literally free daycare centers for the working class.

Trying to argue otherwise makes you sound 1) very white,  2) suburban and 3) very upper middle class.
 
2020-07-04 8:14:13 PM  
1 vote:

Snapper Carr: Easy answer:

Don't.

You think adults are bad at infection control discipline?

We are but kids are much much worse.


Challenge level: kids don't get infected often, don't spread it, and don't get very sick if they do catch it.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-0​6​-schools-evidence-kids-coronavirus.htm​l

/Yeah, you can find that vanishingly small number that get seriously ill.
 
2020-07-04 8:12:14 PM  
1 vote:
Teachers are going to be treated as cannon fodder.
Sadly, School is as much a childcare as anything for many people, and if the schools are not open, people can't go to work.

I've already got word here that they WILL be open somehow.  Of course this was decided by people who will not be in the classroom.
 
2020-07-04 8:11:21 PM  
1 vote:

meanmutton: Snapper Carr: Easy answer:

Don't.

You think adults are bad at infection control discipline?

We are but kids are much much worse.

As far as I've seen - the kids have been better than most of the adults. You tell the kid about the sickness, tell them what they need to do, and by and large the kids are gonna do it. It's like wearing a seat belt.


Kids aren't all poisoned by the culture war and identity politics.
 
2020-07-04 8:07:58 PM  
1 vote:

Not Y3K Compliant: Ugh, they closed schools in March and went to online "learning".  I understand it was rushed and teachers had very little time to prepare, but it was basically seeing the teacher once a week via zoom and printing out assignments.  The 1st grade teacher told us that half the class never even checked in online for the remaining of the school year.

They will end up opening schools up with limited capacity; those that can afford to not send their kids can stay fully online - the rest have no choice.  No idea what they will do with the buses.

They will try to get all the kids to wear masks; there will be no recess, desks will be spaced out as much as possible.  I think they will ask parents to take their children't temperature every day and give unlimited sick days.

We are lucky that one of us can stay home with the kids.  We are not going to be sending them and have been learning about home schooling to at least gauge how the online component of the school compares.


My high schooler was incin from 8:20-3:00 every day. Required to be on the zoom meeting for each class. Schedule just like normal. The elementary kids had zoom class, recess, study time, zoom class etc. Just like being there in person. They learned a lot and got a lot done.

Oh yeah, they go to evil private school. Public school parents did nothing but complain about how unprepared their school was. eLearning was basically print your assignment and hope the kid does it. Every passes.
 
2020-07-04 7:53:15 PM  
1 vote:
You might be able to get high schoolers to social distance, keep their hands to themselves, wear a mask all day, and follow all the other rules. That ain't gonna happen with 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 year-olds.
 
2020-07-04 7:49:53 PM  
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Snapper Carr: Easy answer:

Don't.

You think adults are bad at infection control discipline?

We are but kids are much much worse.


As far as I've seen - the kids have been better than most of the adults. You tell the kid about the sickness, tell them what they need to do, and by and large the kids are gonna do it. It's like wearing a seat belt.
 
2020-07-04 7:37:26 PM  
1 vote:

gregscott: Home Schools don't have a significant problem with this.


They only have the problem that they're not actually schools.

I mean, when you get rid of all the disadvantages of something in exchange for also giving up all of the benefits that's not really a useful trade if it was a thing worth doing in the first place.
 
2020-07-04 7:34:17 PM  
1 vote:

the money is in the banana stand: Herein lies the problem.

1.) The obvious solution is to not open them. Of all of the teachers I know, this is the preference.
2.) Teachers for the most part, hate trying to teach remotely as they know it is vastly less efficient and effective than in person.
3.) We have come to finally realize that schools are more so child care facilities than they are viewed as educational facilities. The entire strategy of a return to work revolves around kids going back to school or parents finding an effective child care strategy which were already in short supply or cost-prohibitive.
4.) The idea is that kids will likely rebound. What isn't mentioned often enough is that the teachers and staff won't, the parents and extended family of the child won't. Children are primary plague vectors of almost every illness as it will spread through the family unit rapidly.
5.) This does not leave a whole lot of good options. When some sort of return to work is needed but childcare and school are not open, what happens? Well, I will tell you what happens. The parents are going to win this one and schools will be pushed to reopen so parents can go back to work. We will see an ungodly spike because A) You cannot effectively manage kids on a good day let alone with masks and social distancing during a pandemic B) Same goes for adults.

The best solution in my eyes would be to keep the farking schools closed and subsidize families who cannot afford to stay home. There has to be a hell of a lot of money we start throwing at this problem as that is the only way people are likely to stay the fark at home. The other option is to hemorrhage money dealing with the repercussions and economic calamity.

.

I predict in September we'll see a pandemic that could best be described as "apocalyptic".

We were sort of safe the first round since we (mostly) locked down in time, so we have the advantage that most people don't have it; if you go to the grocery store, odds are maybe 1 other person there has it, and that can be mitigated with social distancing measures to keep the infective rate below covid's viral load for everyone else (you're not going to be nearby that one person for very long, so you're not gong to get tneough germs to make you sick. This amount necessary to make you sick is called the 'viral load'. This leads to a mild, if transitory, immunity to the population at large, as everyone is kinda infected with it-but-not-really, raising the viral load limit even further temporarily. It's the next, best thing to herd immunity; you keep R0 (infective rate) below the average population that one has met in one day.

When you get "second wave" mechanics when EVERYONE has it, start panicking. Go to the grocery store? BAM you have it. Nip into work to get a document? BAM you have it. Virite particles can stay areosolized for three hours in the air, and if it's too thick, it could exceed the new, higher viral load limit.

This may also limit the "milder" version of the virus where people have just enough of the virus to catch it, but not enough to show symptoms; they can go WAY over viral load and catch things full force, so this "50% don't show symptoms" could be on its way out in favor of an "everyone dies" paradigm, like we saw in China when this thing first took off.

The result is what you saw in NYC, Italy, and Iran; channel dredgers to dig mass graves, freezer trucks to store them. Numbers would put that result, nationwide, at 60% infected (180,000,000) ,and ten million dead.

HOWEVER, I believe the damage will instead be mostly limited to the red states who refuse to lock down a second time, and spare the blue states, for example New York recovered very well. IF WE STAY ON TOP OF IT, we can avoid this catastrophe entirely.
 
2020-07-04 7:33:10 PM  
1 vote:

Snapper Carr: Easy answer:

Don't.

You think adults are bad at infection control discipline?

We are but kids are much much worse.


We're doing the home school thing this year, but I'm sure as shiat keeping that short lived. Hopefully a year is all we need. I don't care what the home school cheerleaders say, kids need social interaction as part of growing up.
 
2020-07-04 7:31:01 PM  
1 vote:

Not Y3K Compliant: Ugh, they closed schools in March and went to online "learning".  I understand it was rushed and teachers had very little time to prepare, but it was basically seeing the teacher once a week via zoom and printing out assignments.  The 1st grade teacher told us that half the class never even checked in online for the remaining of the school year.

They will end up opening schools up with limited capacity; those that can afford to not send their kids can stay fully online - the rest have no choice.  No idea what they will do with the buses.

They will try to get all the kids to wear masks; there will be no recess, desks will be spaced out as much as possible.  I think they will ask parents to take their children't temperature every day and give unlimited sick days.

We are lucky that one of us can stay home with the kids.  We are not going to be sending them and have been learning about home schooling to at least gauge how the online component of the school compares.


Maybe you just need a better school system? My daughter's school switched to online learning (no scare quotes needed), every day, assignments were regularly handed out, the kids regularly attended, and she even created a video for her Junior Coach program that she was part of.

Weird part is, my state is last in per-student spending, yet we managed to figure it out just farking fine. Besides, it's better than having your first grader be dead, so get over it.
 
2020-07-04 7:27:33 PM  
1 vote:
Was the obvious tag MIA?

Without a vaccine, we can't put kids back in school.
 
2020-07-04 7:06:56 PM  
1 vote:
Herein lies the problem.

1.) The obvious solution is to not open them. Of all of the teachers I know, this is the preference.
2.) Teachers for the most part, hate trying to teach remotely as they know it is vastly less efficient and effective than in person.
3.) We have come to finally realize that schools are more so child care facilities than they are viewed as educational facilities. The entire strategy of a return to work revolves around kids going back to school or parents finding an effective child care strategy which were already in short supply or cost-prohibitive.
4.) The idea is that kids will likely rebound. What isn't mentioned often enough is that the teachers and staff won't, the parents and extended family of the child won't. Children are primary plague vectors of almost every illness as it will spread through the family unit rapidly.
5.) This does not leave a whole lot of good options. When some sort of return to work is needed but childcare and school are not open, what happens? Well, I will tell you what happens. The parents are going to win this one and schools will be pushed to reopen so parents can go back to work. We will see an ungodly spike because A) You cannot effectively manage kids on a good day let alone with masks and social distancing during a pandemic B) Same goes for adults.

The best solution in my eyes would be to keep the farking schools closed and subsidize families who cannot afford to stay home. There has to be a hell of a lot of money we start throwing at this problem as that is the only way people are likely to stay the fark at home. The other option is to hemorrhage money dealing with the repercussions and economic calamity.
 
2020-07-04 7:01:55 PM  
1 vote:
Easy answer:

Don't.

You think adults are bad at infection control discipline?

We are but kids are much much worse.
 
2020-07-04 6:03:40 PM  
1 vote:
I mean they won't.  Either they won't open them, or they won't open them safely.
 
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