rebelyell2006: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

Kinda hypocritical that a Warsaw Pact refugee is denouncing people who are fleeing Central America.

Inherent bias (as well as racism and general bigotry) knows no borders.

During the historical waves of immigration of the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, etc each group has complained about, looked down upon, and attacked the next.  Protection from this is why the gangs formed.

Why would now be any different?

ColonelCathcart: FleshMonkey: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

To Americans coming into Mexico?

Yes.

But you aren't using any sort of mechanical precision with your words and meaning, are you.

Just some sort of vague implication of associated concepts that have no actual relationship.

But good work on your zing. You are preaching to your choir and further cementing the fact that those who disagree with you are right to do so because your conflation of two non-related events are somehow the same thing.

Keep it up.

So Illegals can still come here?

no moreso than before.  Why do you think that's changed?

I mean I'm still waiting on your glorious wall to fix your income inequality and your immigration system.

ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

johnny_vegas: Can't  blame Mexico for doing what's best for itself but this will help the US more than Mexico probably

As far as my understanding, migrant workers generally send a significant portion of their income back to family in their home countries.

Mexico is happy to have the extra income, however they no longer want to risk diseased people (including tourists) crossing south.

/Based on WWZ logic, I have to wonder how Cuba is doing.

gar1013: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

This.

No farking aid to them, and a tax on wire transfers to them if they let things return to "normal".

"normal" meaning allowing tourists from the US to Mexican resorts and tourist destinations?

ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

Actually, I do think we should give lots of working visas - especially jobs for which Americans refuse to do the work (see: Alabama where pay was significantly above minimum wage and 90% of Americans of all colors didn't show up after day 1).

You're right, I'm far less concerned with people who come on their own to cross the border. The ones (read: non-Mexicans) who pay $10,000 to a coyote who likely bribes local officials to leave him and his flock alone are my concern. Mexico has strict deportation laws if you don't pay your bribe or stop in México. It's actually kind of funny to me that people ignore that aspect.

Again, Mexico has many sins that it needs to address before I show any sympathy for this stunt that only affects a small number of tourists and likely mostly affect the religious nuts from AZ who cross the border on land.

US tourism is very big business in Mexico.  Especially the high-end resorts.

So your concern is not with Mexico but streamlining the US Immigration system, adding more immigration courts and expanding entry permits.  Sounds like a pretty liberal agenda.

Do you tend to vote for people who have been pushing this agenda (i.e. most SouthWestern Democrats) and against those who are against it (most Republicans including the current and last 3 Republican Presidents)?

bobbyjoebobby: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

People should be welcomed to come here, legally, to work.

Refugees should also be welcomed.

We just need a good system that catches the bad actors. No one wants to talk about that.

Everytime a conservative says lets end illegal immigration a liberal asks why they hate brown people. Every time a conservative says lets make sure gang members don't come over with the refugees a liberal asks why they hate brown people.

Someone isn't willing to have an adult conversation.

why is it that every time immigration reform has been introduced in Congress in the past 20+ years, Republicans only ever want to talk about funnelling more money into ICE, Border Patrol, and now a useless but very expensive wall?

Name a Republican Senate Majority or Minority leader or Speaker or the House who has pushed for increasing immigration court funding to get more courts and translators, simplifying the application process, expediting the qualification process, etc.

All we get is "Build the Wall", "they're rapists and murderers,etc", "they're stealing jobs from 'Real Mericans'c, etc, etc, etc

My favorite excuse is "There's not enough space".  Because the population density of the country is 92.9 people per sq mile (i.e. each man, woman, and child could have their own 300,000 sq ft McMansion)

I think there's been no lack of people on "the left" who have been more than happy to have a realistic "adult" discussion about what should happen...and then the Republicans elect people like Arpaio, King, Nunez, and Trump.

"Sanctuary cities" are a stop-gap to try to at least force an adult conversation at the state level.  But the majority of Republicans don't want to hear it.

Republicans have been blaming brown people for their own problems since it was out of fashion to blame black people.

If you need proof I can provide decades of Fox News, Washington Examiner, OANN, InfoWars, Rush Limbaugh, et al. clips as evidence.