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brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-07-04 6:20:07 PM  
Illegals come here? They better, you bet. Or you get to do the shiat work and they get to buld Mexico.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-07-04 6:21:16 PM  
Mexico: Population, about 128 million.

Canada is still less populous than California. But richer, freer, happier and healthier than most of the people in between. Only the rich gringos are richer.
 
the voice of raisin
2020-07-04 7:16:51 PM  

ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

Actually, I do think we should give lots of working visas - especially jobs for which Americans refuse to do the work (see: Alabama where pay was significantly above minimum wage and 90% of Americans of all colors didn't show up after day 1).

You're right, I'm far less concerned with people who come on their own to cross the border. The ones (read: non-Mexicans) who pay $10,000 to a coyote who likely bribes local officials to leave him and his flock alone are my concern. Mexico has strict deportation laws if you don't pay your bribe or stop in México. It's actually kind of funny to me that people ignore that aspect.

Again, Mexico has many sins that it needs to address before I show any sympathy for this stunt that only affects a small number of tourists and likely mostly affect the religious nuts from AZ who cross the border on land.

US tourism is very big business in Mexico.  Especially the high-end resorts.

So your concern is not with Mexico but streamlining the US Immigration system, adding more immigration courts and expanding entry permits.  Sounds like a pretty liberal agenda.

Do you tend to vote for people who have been pushing this agenda (i.e. most SouthWestern Democrats) and against those who are against it (most Republicans including the current and last 3 Republican Presidents)?

I voted for Obama twice. Couldn't vote for Clinton as I moved right before the election and stupidly didn't have my absentee ballot.

I'm voting Biden, but may vote republican in my local elections as the taxes here are absolutely farking nuts.


which is ironic because most of the current problems are at the state and local level.

Is it really the taxes themselves that are the issue or the application of the money.

I live in a relatively high tax area, however I have excellent public transportation (which is expanding) as well as relatively clean streets in most areas, and decent roads when I choose to drive.  I have additional services available which I currently don't use that are also paid for at least partially by local taxes.
 
the voice of raisin
2020-07-04 7:19:38 PM  

brantgoose: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Remittances. $65 billlion a year from the kids in the USA. Why would Mexico complain? These guys were building their Mothers houses after building yours.


and the money is still going back.  unfortunately the people cant until the Coronavirus is contained to a smaller area than the US national borders.
 
Bandito King [OhFark]
2020-07-04 7:53:24 PM  

the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?


Similarly, the US didn't work super hard to keep illegal immigrants from crossing into Mexico. It's almost like that's something the nation that people are immigrating to has to handle.
 
Bandito King [OhFark]
2020-07-04 7:54:49 PM  

lack of warmth: Professor Science: We're not sending Mexico our best.  We're sending people with lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with them.  They're bringing coronavirus.  They're covidiots.  They're anti-vaxxers.  And some, I assume, are good people.

Well sure, why would our best would want to leave...oh...yeah......how are we keeping the best from leaving?


By getting ourselves banned from international travel. It's that 5d chess biting us in the ass again.
 
ColonelCathcart
2020-07-04 8:02:49 PM  

Bandito King: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Similarly, the US didn't work super hard to keep illegal immigrants from crossing into Mexico. It's almost like that's something the nation that people are immigrating to has to handle.


Who illegally crosses *into* Mexico?
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-07-04 8:08:55 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Bandito King: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Similarly, the US didn't work super hard to keep illegal immigrants from crossing into Mexico. It's almost like that's something the nation that people are immigrating to has to handle.

Who illegally crosses *into* Mexico?


Andrew Tahmooressi
 
ColonelCathcart
2020-07-04 8:11:27 PM  

iron de havilland: ColonelCathcart: Bandito King: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Similarly, the US didn't work super hard to keep illegal immigrants from crossing into Mexico. It's almost like that's something the nation that people are immigrating to has to handle.

Who illegally crosses *into* Mexico?

Andrew Tahmooressi


Jar head "Accidentally" crosses into México with guns...ya okay...

/clearly running guns as part of Obama's fast and furious
 
GoBadgers
2020-07-04 8:31:50 PM  
Mrs. Badger and I were planning on retiring to the Chapala area this year, now maybe next year or who the fark knows now.
 
bobbyjoebobby
2020-07-04 8:36:32 PM  

WillJM8528: WalkingSedgwick: It's amazing how, when American conservatives whine about undocumented migration, the idea of punishing employers for hiring undocumented workers never comes up.

FOX has programmed its zombies well.

This. Conservative ideology is one of the most broken things I've ever seen. It's shocking how brainwashed these folks are. Like this whole, "the slave owners were Democrat's thing" treating them as if the ideologies of the parties hasn't changed in over a century.

If they were Democrats, why aren't you a Democrat now, since you're fighting for all these Democrat statues and flying the flag of Democrats."


Democrats
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-07-04 8:37:23 PM  

ColonelCathcart: iron de havilland: ColonelCathcart: Bandito King: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Similarly, the US didn't work super hard to keep illegal immigrants from crossing into Mexico. It's almost like that's something the nation that people are immigrating to has to handle.

Who illegally crosses *into* Mexico?

Andrew Tahmooressi


Jar head "Accidentally" crosses into México with guns...ya okay...


Yeah, it seems far more likely he was radicalised by right-wing media, like Cesar Sayoc, the guy that shot up Comet Ping Pong, the Hoover Dam nutter or various other expressions of insanity that we see so frequently these days.
 
bobbyjoebobby
2020-07-04 8:40:46 PM  

the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.


People should be welcomed to come here, legally, to work.

Refugees should also be welcomed.

We just need a good system that catches the bad actors. No one wants to talk about that.

Everytime a conservative says lets end illegal immigration a liberal asks why they hate brown people. Every time a conservative says lets make sure gang members don't come over with the refugees a liberal asks why they hate brown people.

Someone isn't willing to have an adult conversation.
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-07-04 8:49:48 PM  

bobbyjoebobby: People should be welcomed to come here, legally, to work.

Refugees should also be welcomed.

We just need a good system that catches the bad actors. No one wants to talk about that.


Why not punish the companies that hire illegal immigrants? They're the ones enticing immigrants with the concept of a better life in a good country, after all.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2020-07-04 9:13:44 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.


And?
Their pure Capitalist. AKA jerks.
Mexico works, for the people with money and or power. They don't care about the drug dealers and people working across the river. Those problems are ours.  Don't act like the United States isn't got it's own jerks too.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2020-07-04 9:18:59 PM  

ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

Actually, I do think we should give lots of working visas - especially jobs for which Americans refuse to do the work (see: Alabama where pay was significantly above minimum wage and 90% of Americans of all colors didn't show up after day 1).

You're right, I'm far less concerned with people who come on their own to cross the border. The ones (read: non-Mexicans) who pay $10,000 to a coyote who likely bribes local officials to leave him and his flock alone are my concern. Mexico has strict deportation laws if you don't pay your bribe or stop in México. It's actually kind of funny to me that people ignore that aspect.

Again, Mexico has many sins that it needs to address before I show any sympathy for this stunt that only affects a small number of tourists and likely mostly affect the religious nuts from AZ who cross the border on land.


LOL.
Why should Mexico care about people pass through? LOL.
Got love a callous, indifferent, nation expecting different for others.
LOL.
LOL
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2020-07-04 9:19:40 PM  

ColonelCathcart: rebelyell2006: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

Kinda hypocritical that a Warsaw Pact refugee is denouncing people who are fleeing Central America.

I'm am not a refugee, but I know many of those of whom you speak. They worked for everything they got, follow the law...unlike people who retroactively try to claim asylum after they are caught or spend decades here and don't adjust their status.


🙄🗽🗽🗽🗽😔🥑
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2020-07-04 9:23:54 PM  

bsmz: WalkingSedgwick: It's amazing how, when American conservatives whine about undocumented migration, the idea of punishing employers for hiring undocumented workers never comes up.

FOX has programmed its zombies well.

There are existing penalties: https://fordmurraylaw.com/potential-penalties-for-hiring-undocumented-immigrants/

As to whether people are or should be talking about them, I have no opinion.


America has tons of laws.
For example The Man Act.
But, we selectively prosecute things.
Like The Man Act.
And like  laws against hiring illegals.
Doing that actually makes you look corrupt.
You know cops cry about respect, but they have their behavior to thank for that.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2020-07-04 9:29:03 PM  

ColonelCathcart: BolloxReader: ColonelCathcart: links136: gar1013: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

This.

No farking aid to them, and a tax on wire transfers to them if they let things return to "normal".

Okay country that invaded Iraq, put the sub prime mortgages fraud on the world and is now leading the world in zoonotic virus cases.

Right, let's punish Mexico for not revolving around us like good spics.

Or maybe not allowing their own citizens to engage in mass human and drug trafficking?

Fine. Start arresting executives of companies that pay for smuggled people and seizing those facilities used in their exploitation.

I agree. Employers should be severely punished for hiring illegals and bailouts should go to main street only.

Punish employers severely and you solve illegal immigration.


I don't know why we don't asset forfeiture a company
 
ColonelCathcart
2020-07-04 9:38:13 PM  

waxbeans: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

Actually, I do think we should give lots of working visas - especially jobs for which Americans refuse to do the work (see: Alabama where pay was significantly above minimum wage and 90% of Americans of all colors didn't show up after day 1).

You're right, I'm far less concerned with people who come on their own to cross the border. The ones (read: non-Mexicans) who pay $10,000 to a coyote who likely bribes local officials to leave him and his flock alone are my concern. Mexico has strict deportation laws if you don't pay your bribe or stop in México. It's actually kind of funny to me that people ignore that aspect.

Again, Mexico has many sins that it needs to address before I show any sympathy for this stunt that only affects a small number of tourists and likely mostly affect the religious nuts from AZ who cross the border on land.

LOL.
Why should Mexico care about people pass through? LOL.
Got love a callous, indifferent, nation expecting different for others.
LOL.
LOL


"Pass through"

If they stop, they're deported.

They pay human smugglers that rape people.

Why should they care? You're sick.
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-07-04 9:47:39 PM  

ColonelCathcart: "Pass through"

If they stop, they're deported.

They pay human smugglers that rape people.

Why should they care? You're sick.


A Russian immigrant to the US railing against immigration is giving me flashbacks to GTA V.

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Civil_Border_Patrol

Who's more dangerous, the Mariachi band, or the people who would ignore the concept of laws to eject them from the country?
 
ColonelCathcart
2020-07-04 9:48:25 PM  

iron de havilland: ColonelCathcart: "Pass through"

If they stop, they're deported.

They pay human smugglers that rape people.

Why should they care? You're sick.

A Russian immigrant to the US railing against immigration is giving me flashbacks to GTA V.

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Civil_Border_Patrol

Who's more dangerous, the Mariachi band, or the people who would ignore the concept of laws to eject them from the country?


How's Brexit?
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-07-04 9:54:53 PM  

ColonelCathcart: iron de havilland: ColonelCathcart: "Pass through"

If they stop, they're deported.

They pay human smugglers that rape people.

Why should they care? You're sick.

A Russian immigrant to the US railing against immigration is giving me flashbacks to GTA V.

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Civil_Border_Patrol

Who's more dangerous, the Mariachi band, or the people who would ignore the concept of laws to eject them from the country?

How's Brexit?


As farking godawfully terrible as it's been since 2016. Lots of people who have been brainwashed by the right-wing press, or those who stand to gain from it think it's farking wonderful. But it's pretty clear that it's not a good idea.

I mean, it pushed me to get Irish citizenship, which is good for me, because I can still be an EU citizen after everything goes to shiat, but it's not good for most Britons.

But just as in the US where you find the poor and disadvantaged voting GOP, you'll find a similar group voting Tory, even though it's against their interests.

At least Labour have a decent leader now, though.
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-07-04 10:01:53 PM  
Oh and here are some people and companies who are pro-Brexit setting up companies and citizenship in EU countries so they can get the benefits they don't want Britons to have:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/these-are-the-brexiteers-looking-to-secure-their-eu-rights-ahead-of-the-uks-departure-from-the-bloc/22/06/
 
ShutterGirl
2020-07-04 10:25:50 PM  

the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.


Most trafficking happens due to poorly done immigration laws and so many loopholes that can be exploited inland.  It is more of an enforcement issue and not changing laws to help people and close these loopholes.
 
lolmao500
2020-07-04 11:20:43 PM  

rebelyell2006: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

Border closing is something that should be saved for national emergencies.  Capitalist pigs in the neighboring country preferring to hire and grotesquely underpay people with guest worker documentation or no documentation is not a national emergency.


Yeah its only a human rights emergency but who gives a fark about that when theres money to be made?
 
the voice of raisin
2020-07-04 11:32:33 PM  

bobbyjoebobby: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

People should be welcomed to come here, legally, to work.

Refugees should also be welcomed.

We just need a good system that catches the bad actors. No one wants to talk about that.

Everytime a conservative says lets end illegal immigration a liberal asks why they hate brown people. Every time a conservative says lets make sure gang members don't come over with the refugees a liberal asks why they hate brown people.

Someone isn't willing to have an adult conversation.


why is it that every time immigration reform has been introduced in Congress in the past 20+ years, Republicans only ever want to talk about funnelling more money into ICE, Border Patrol, and now a useless but very expensive wall?

Name a Republican Senate Majority or Minority leader or Speaker or the House who has pushed for increasing immigration court funding to get more courts and translators, simplifying the application process, expediting the qualification process, etc.

All we get is "Build the Wall", "they're rapists and murderers,etc", "they're stealing jobs from 'Real Mericans'c, etc, etc, etc

My favorite excuse is "There's not enough space".  Because the population density of the country is 92.9 people per sq mile (i.e. each man, woman, and child could have their own 300,000 sq ft McMansion)

I think there's been no lack of people on "the left" who have been more than happy to have a realistic "adult" discussion about what should happen...and then the Republicans elect people like Arpaio, King, Nunez, and Trump.

"Sanctuary cities" are a stop-gap to try to at least force an adult conversation at the state level.  But the majority of Republicans don't want to hear it.

Republicans have been blaming brown people for their own problems since it was out of fashion to blame black people.

If you need proof I can provide decades of Fox News, Washington Examiner, OANN, InfoWars, Rush Limbaugh, et al. clips as evidence.
 
the voice of raisin
2020-07-04 11:37:38 PM  

ShutterGirl: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most trafficking happens due to poorly done immigration laws and so many loopholes that can be exploited inland.  It is more of an enforcement issue and not changing laws to help people and close these loopholes.


I was only thinking of the physical smuggling of people across the border.

My understanding is that people resort to submitting themselves to trafficing because they see no other way to cross the border and their current situation is that grim.

Maybe I don't have a complete understanding of "trafficing".
 
Ornery Alien
2020-07-05 12:04:01 AM  
Did anyone look closely at the photo in the article? They've closed the border from Mexico into New York? Or is there a Syracuse (and a Watertown!) in Arizona?

/Hmm. I think there's a town called Mexico in NY.
 
ShutterGirl
2020-07-05 3:12:06 AM  

the voice of raisin: ShutterGirl: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most trafficking happens due to poorly done immigration laws and so many loopholes that can be exploited inland.  It is more of an enforcement issue and not changing laws to help people and close these loopholes.

I was only thinking of the physical smuggling of people across the border.

My understanding is that people resort to submitting themselves to trafficing because they see no other way to cross the border and their current situation is that grim.

Maybe I don't have a complete understanding of "trafficing".


Yes that is correct. Due to laws not being updated or reformed people will feel that smuggling is their only option. Or labor trafficking with legal migrant workers with little enforcement or ability to help them if they are in trouble.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2020-07-05 4:54:03 AM  

ColonelCathcart: waxbeans: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

Actually, I do think we should give lots of working visas - especially jobs for which Americans refuse to do the work (see: Alabama where pay was significantly above minimum wage and 90% of Americans of all colors didn't show up after day 1).

You're right, I'm far less concerned with people who come on their own to cross the border. The ones (read: non-Mexicans) who pay $10,000 to a coyote who likely bribes local officials to leave him and his flock alone are my concern. Mexico has strict deportation laws if you don't pay your bribe or stop in México. It's actually kind of funny to me that people ignore that aspect.

Again, Mexico has many sins that it needs to address before I show any sympathy for this stunt that only affects a small number of tourists and likely mostly affect the religious nuts from AZ who cross the border on land.

LOL.
Why should Mexico care about people pass through? LOL.
Got love a callous, indifferent, nation expecting different for others.
LOL.
LOL

"Pass through"

If they stop, they're deported.

They pay human smugglers that rape people.

Why should they care? You're sick.


LOL. You act like we'd do different if the people was headed to Canada and not here.
🙄
 
ColonelCathcart
2020-07-05 8:27:27 AM  

waxbeans: ColonelCathcart: waxbeans: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

Actually, I do think we should give lots of working visas - especially jobs for which Americans refuse to do the work (see: Alabama where pay was significantly above minimum wage and 90% of Americans of all colors didn't show up after day 1).

You're right, I'm far less concerned with people who come on their own to cross the border. The ones (read: non-Mexicans) who pay $10,000 to a coyote who likely bribes local officials to leave him and his flock alone are my concern. Mexico has strict deportation laws if you don't pay your bribe or stop in México. It's actually kind of funny to me that people ignore that aspect.

Again, Mexico has many sins that it needs to address before I show any sympathy for this stunt that only affects a small number of tourists and likely mostly affect the religious nuts from AZ who cross the border on land.

LOL.
Why should Mexico care about people pass through? LOL.
Got love a callous, indifferent, nation expecting different for others.
LOL.
LOL

"Pass through"

If they stop, they're deported.

They pay human smugglers that rape people.

Why should they care? You're sick.

LOL. You act like we'd do different if the people was headed to Canada and not here.
🙄


You think ICE let's people go if they magically say "I'm headed to Canada"
 
Adolf Oliver Nipples [TotalFark]
2020-07-05 8:42:16 AM  

bobbyjoebobby: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: the voice of raisin: ColonelCathcart: In other news, "México could have closed its border anytime it wanted"

yep.  and now it has a reason to.

Mexico really has no issue with migrant workers going to the US.  Why should it have cared before the US became a plague-infested no-man's land?

Because thousands of people (including children) are hurt by human traffickers? The drugs are just additional shiat on that.

yes, but that's not why ICE raids happen.

and if the US really cared about human trafficking from/through Mexico, it would disband and rebuild both ICE and the Border Patrol as professional oorganizations worthy of respect.

Most of the trafficing occurs because Border Patrol allows it to happen based on graft and greed.

Most of the trafficking occurs before they get to the USA. The whole Coyote system?

My mistake.  I thought your concern was with the US-Mexico border.

So you're saying you have not really concerned with people illegally crossing the border for work on their own.

I take it you're in favor of increasing the number and types of refugees let into the US then?  Maybe you should go work for the State Department to help work on these things.

People should be welcomed to come here, legally, to work.

Refugees should also be welcomed.

We just need a good system that catches the bad actors. No one wants to talk about that.

Everytime a conservative says lets end illegal immigration a liberal asks why they hate brown people. Every time a conservative says lets make sure gang members don't come over with the refugees a liberal asks why they hate brown people.

Someone isn't willing to have an adult conversation.


That's because when a conservative says "let's end illegal immigration" it's because they hate brown people. Don't act like the motivations for these things aren't well known. Immigration reform is something very different from building a wall. If the motivation is only to allow immigration while catching bad actors, why are conservatives not embracing the DREAM Act?

The adults have been trying to have the conversation for a long time.
 
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