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2020-07-03 10:30:24 AM  
I've voted absentee more times than in person over the years thanks to military service and an erratic airline schedule. It was never a problem. Filed out paper work requesting a ballot, it showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

Now last election here, I also voted absentee. The state is automatically sending absentee ballot requests out. I filled it out. And had to attach a photocopy of my driver's license. Sent it in. It showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

I did vote in person in 2018. Went down there and voted. They asked for ID. Nobody notarized anything.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.
 
2020-07-03 1:09:30 PM  
I plan on voting in person on 3 November 2020 here in Huntsville, Alabama myself. I voted by absentee ballot in our primary election earlier this year by the process edmo describes above, as I was on travel.

I did not care for Alabama's process as it's more complicated than when I voted absentee in Florida elections while on active duty. Alabama makes it more difficult as part of the Republican attempt to suppress voting by poor people.

I want to vote with a passion I have not felt since I first voted in 1974 at 18. I want to make certain I vote against Trump and ever farking Republican, period.

/Fark Trump.
 
2020-07-03 1:14:37 PM  

AirForceVet: I plan on voting in person on 3 November 2020 here in Huntsville, Alabama myself. I voted by absentee ballot in our primary election earlier this year by the process edmo describes above, as I was on travel.

I did not care for Alabama's process as it's more complicated than when I voted absentee in Florida elections while on active duty. Alabama makes it more difficult as part of the Republican attempt to suppress voting by poor people.

I want to vote with a passion I have not felt since I first voted in 1974 at 18. I want to make certain I vote against Trump and ever farking Republican, period.

/Fark Trump.


You. I like you.

Vote blue straight down the ticket. From the President to the dog catcher. Bury them all.
 
2020-07-03 1:51:30 PM  
This was about primary voting right?   Why is the SCOTUS or state even involved in it.  Let the GOP/Dems decide who can vote, and whether ID is required, or they do it in a smokey room.  Just don't charge their own internal politics to the American people.
 
2020-07-03 3:33:28 PM  

Chris Ween: This was about primary voting right?   Why is the SCOTUS or state even involved in it.  Let the GOP/Dems decide who can vote, and whether ID is required, or they do it in a smokey room.  Just don't charge their own internal politics to the American people.


Not specifically, it just happens that the vote which *will* be impacted by this ruling (no chance for an appeal to take place in two weeks) is a primary.
 
2020-07-03 4:13:18 PM  

puffy999: Chris Ween: This was about primary voting right?   Why is the SCOTUS or state even involved in it.  Let the GOP/Dems decide who can vote, and whether ID is required, or they do it in a smokey room.  Just don't charge their own internal politics to the American people.

Not specifically, it just happens that the vote which *will* be impacted by this ruling (no chance for an appeal to take place in two weeks) is a primary.


Primaries are the parties choosing their own candidates.  I don't think state resources or rules should apply.  Its like the Lion's Club picking their officers.   But for the regular elections...SCOTUS should definitely step in, and everyone follow rules to ensure the right to vote for the office...not to vote for the party candidate.
 
2020-07-03 4:21:51 PM  

Chris Ween: puffy999: Chris Ween: This was about primary voting right?   Why is the SCOTUS or state even involved in it.  Let the GOP/Dems decide who can vote, and whether ID is required, or they do it in a smokey room.  Just don't charge their own internal politics to the American people.

Not specifically, it just happens that the vote which *will* be impacted by this ruling (no chance for an appeal to take place in two weeks) is a primary.

Primaries are the parties choosing their own candidates.  I don't think state resources or rules should apply.  Its like the Lion's Club picking their officers.   But for the regular elections...SCOTUS should definitely step in, and everyone follow rules to ensure the right to vote for the office...not to vote for the party candidate.


I assume Alabama has more than just primary elections (or the potential thereof depending on county/municipality) on these ballots, as most states do. Regardless, the state is still responsible for facilitating the vote unless the party changes how it runs the primary (and that would be a different issue altogether than what was rules on here).

I don't disagree that primaries *should* be paid for by the parties, but they've found a way to grift each state.
 
2020-07-03 4:29:20 PM  
To vote by absentee ballot in Alabama, the state requires residents to send a copy of a photo ID and mandates that the ballot must be either signed by two witnesses or notarized.

^^^This is what voter suppression looks like

Poor people do not have access to a copier and getting something notarized costs money.
Also they don't have transportation to get to these places.
Also how is a poor person who lives alone and doesn't have friends supposed to find two witnesses?
 
2020-07-03 4:29:54 PM  
Now now subby, you're exaggerating.

It's only going to be harder for *those* people to vote
 
2020-07-03 4:31:31 PM  
They don't want to stop voting everywhere. Show up at the locations Republicans want people to vote and shut that shiat down till they fix problems in your precinct.
 
2020-07-03 4:33:14 PM  

edmo: I've voted absentee more times than in person over the years thanks to military service and an erratic airline schedule. It was never a problem. Filed out paper work requesting a ballot, it showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

Now last election here, I also voted absentee. The state is automatically sending absentee ballot requests out. I filled it out. And had to attach a photocopy of my driver's license. Sent it in. It showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

I did vote in person in 2018. Went down there and voted. They asked for ID. Nobody notarized anything.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.


Way to blow your own cover, buddy!
 
2020-07-03 4:39:45 PM  
We usually go home to vote. Indiana has screwed up my wife's absentee ballot before so I just get a special pass and we do early voting, before heading back to the base I am stationed at.
 
2020-07-03 4:42:07 PM  
I just think I'm going to skip voting this year. Biden's going to win anyway, so it's not a big deal if I don't vote.
 
2020-07-03 4:43:41 PM  

puffy999: Chris Ween: puffy999: Chris Ween: This was about primary voting right?   Why is the SCOTUS or state even involved in it.  Let the GOP/Dems decide who can vote, and whether ID is required, or they do it in a smokey room.  Just don't charge their own internal politics to the American people.

Not specifically, it just happens that the vote which *will* be impacted by this ruling (no chance for an appeal to take place in two weeks) is a primary.

Primaries are the parties choosing their own candidates.  I don't think state resources or rules should apply.  Its like the Lion's Club picking their officers.   But for the regular elections...SCOTUS should definitely step in, and everyone follow rules to ensure the right to vote for the office...not to vote for the party candidate.

I assume Alabama has more than just primary elections (or the potential thereof depending on county/municipality) on these ballots, as most states do. Regardless, the state is still responsible for facilitating the vote unless the party changes how it runs the primary (and that would be a different issue altogether than what was rules on here).

I don't disagree that primaries *should* be paid for by the parties, but they've found a way to grift each state.


I've always seen state-run primaries as a form of election monitoring.  The state provides clear(ish) guidelines for citizens, and the parties can't ignore vote results since they don't do the counting.  It keeps the silly-buggerism down to merely annoying levels.
 
2020-07-03 4:46:10 PM  

Walker: To vote by absentee ballot in Alabama, the state requires residents to send a copy of a photo ID and mandates that the ballot must be either signed by two witnesses or notarized.

^^^This is what voter suppression looks like

Poor people do not have access to a copier and getting something notarized costs money.
Also they don't have transportation to get to these places.
Also how is a poor person who lives alone and doesn't have friends supposed to find two witnesses?


DURING A PANDEMIC. When we're supposed to be limiting exposure to others...
 
2020-07-03 4:50:15 PM  
Real f*cking patriots they are.
 
2020-07-03 4:55:21 PM  

TabASlotB: Walker: To vote by absentee ballot in Alabama, the state requires residents to send a copy of a photo ID and mandates that the ballot must be either signed by two witnesses or notarized.

^^^This is what voter suppression looks like

Poor people do not have access to a copier and getting something notarized costs money.
Also they don't have transportation to get to these places.
Also how is a poor person who lives alone and doesn't have friends supposed to find two witnesses?

DURING A PANDEMIC. When we're supposed to be limiting exposure to others...


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I've never had to pay to get something notarized and becoming a notary is almost as easy as becoming ordained for wedding purposes.  Most EVERYONE knows someone, somewhere, that is notary.  And if you know them, they tend to do it for free.  Even banks usually waive the fee if you're a customer.

However:
A) Are there enough notaries to go around to meet the demand?
B) We're requiring these notaries to go to likely hundreds of houses a piece during a pandemic?  That's ludicrous.  OR we're going have lines out the door and down the block at banks (which is the most typical place to go if you don't personally know someone)?
 
2020-07-03 5:03:15 PM  

edmo: I've voted absentee more times than in person over the years thanks to military service and an erratic airline schedule. It was never a problem. Filed out paper work requesting a ballot, it showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

Now last election here, I also voted absentee. The state is automatically sending absentee ballot requests out. I filled it out. And had to attach a photocopy of my driver's license. Sent it in. It showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

I did vote in person in 2018. Went down there and voted. They asked for ID. Nobody notarized anything.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.


God bless you, baby.  I have been carded, sent to the wrong polling station, etc.  Never thought about it much. I mean everybody gets treated like that, right?

Colorado has vote by mail, so I switched to that was it, 15 years ago? I love it.  I take it right downtown, and put it directly in the ballot lockbox. I make sure my vote will not be lost in the mail. I am exercising my right to vote freely, and safely.

Colorado isnt perfect.  We have white supremacists here too. Most live far from the city, armed and paranoid, shooting at beer cans and bottles while smoking legal weed. But we're also pretty spread out.  5 million residents practically free to roam 104+ thousand miles.  If they'd like, they'd never have to see another black person.  But that would be boring.  Besides, buying ammo for the gun range is expensive. They'd at least like a chance to expect an ROI.

We blacks here are starting to keep to ourselves as much as possible.  We don't go looking for trouble. Trouble seems to find us.

This is a teachable moment, and now you know.  Racism is insidious.  Racism is the impetus to tell stories like yours, and mine. Not your fault, but it is your problem.  Vote trump out of office.  Let's work on making America truly great together.
 
2020-07-03 5:05:10 PM  
It should be noted that the Justices who denied Alabama voters this accommodation so they could reduce their exposure during the pandemic did so without actually meeting together in person because they are carefully reducing their exposure during this pandemic.
 
2020-07-03 5:27:55 PM  
So, are military personnel from Alabama disenfranchised this year?
 
2020-07-03 5:43:10 PM  
I will say the local Right Wing Shock Troops got the memo on this.  They've littered every discussion with how Vote by Mail won't produce accurate results, how it will lead to fraud, how it will result in an illegitimate President.

I mean, it's refreshing to hear them give a shiat about election interference but showing up now only makes them look more guilty.
 
2020-07-03 6:02:26 PM  
Requiring witnesses or a notary to vote means someone has to see your ballot.
What happened to secret ballots?
This ruling eliminates that.

When I was in charge of voting at several Navy commands (I always asked for it as a collateral duty: looked good on my annuals and it was easy to ask people if they are registered to vote, and if they aren't, would they like to be? A few minutes to help them register and done.

Used to anger me that SC required the ballot to be witnessed by the CO, XO or Legal Officer and have the Ship's Seal affixed (only state that did so in my time). Eliminated the private ballot. No one should have to prove they aren't breaking the Law; the State should have to prove you did.
 
2020-07-03 6:18:22 PM  
However, in a 5-4 vote along ideological lines, the Supreme Court

There will be hundreds of terrible rulings described like this before this is all over.
 
2020-07-03 6:28:05 PM  

jake3988: TabASlotB: Walker: To vote by absentee ballot in Alabama, the state requires residents to send a copy of a photo ID and mandates that the ballot must be either signed by two witnesses or notarized.

^^^This is what voter suppression looks like

Poor people do not have access to a copier and getting something notarized costs money.
Also they don't have transportation to get to these places.
Also how is a poor person who lives alone and doesn't have friends supposed to find two witnesses?

DURING A PANDEMIC. When we're supposed to be limiting exposure to others...

======================================​====================

I've never had to pay to get something notarized and becoming a notary is almost as easy as becoming ordained for wedding purposes.  Most EVERYONE knows someone, somewhere, that is notary.  And if you know them, they tend to do it for free.  Even banks usually waive the fee if you're a customer.


The world for others is not as you imagine it.
 
2020-07-03 6:45:24 PM  

Lurk Who's Talking: Requiring witnesses or a notary to vote means someone has to see your ballot.
What happened to secret ballots?
This ruling eliminates that.



Nope. The witness and/or notary see the envelope you put your ballot in.

A typical absentee ballot has the ballot, a secrecy envelope that you sign your name to (and identify yourself on, name, address as registered to vote) and an outer envelope for the US postal service.

The outer envelope is opened and the inner envelopes are processed. You are looked up in the roll of registered voters by name and address (probably birthdate too to verify parent/child with same name). They often check the signature to verify a match --- this is problematic because there isn't really an objective standard for signature matching, people's signatures are not necessarily consistent, and so it is a subjective way to toss out ballots and thus readily abused.

However, when done right, the information on the secrecy envelope is used to verify that the ballot is coming from a registered voter. If not, it will typically be discarded but there are sometimes opportunities for a voter to clarify irregularities.

Now the next step works differently in different places. Sometimes the absentee ballots are held until after regular voting. This is because it's possible that a person will show up at the polls and try to vote in person. If they do and the rolls indicate that an absentee ballot was sent out to that voter a new process is begun. The voter can typically submit a provisional ballot in person and that ballot will be counted if the person claims that they did not actually receive and/or send in an absentee ballot. In some cases, you can even say you changed your mind and want the in-person vote to count and the absentee ballot to be thrown out. Procedures vary. It's possible that they will have records that they already received your absentee ballot and already processed it and then your provisional ballot will be thrown out.

Now after they've completed the process where your absentee ballot has been accepted as coming from a registered voter it's placed in another pile for counting. There, somebody processes it by removing the ballot from the security envelop and placing the ballot into a pile for counting. The idea is that the person removing your actual ballot from the secrecy envelop is trustworthy and is also busy enough that they aren't peaking at the actual ballots when they remove them from the envelopes.

But the key point is, having somebody witness your signing your secrecy envelop does not involve them seeing who you voted for.
 
2020-07-03 6:48:41 PM  
 I'm sick.of these assholes. What's the harm in making it easier for people to vote? Why is it so important that you'll drag it to the Supreme.Court? Oh yeah, you can't win on ideas so you rig the game.
 
2020-07-03 7:53:44 PM  

edmo: I've voted absentee more times than in person over the years thanks to military service and an erratic airline schedule. It was never a problem. Filed out paper work requesting a ballot, it showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

Now last election here, I also voted absentee. The state is automatically sending absentee ballot requests out. I filled it out. And had to attach a photocopy of my driver's license. Sent it in. It showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

I did vote in person in 2018. Went down there and voted. They asked for ID. Nobody notarized anything.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.


Do you happen to be white?
 
2020-07-04 2:04:07 PM  

edmo: I've voted absentee more times than in person over the years thanks to military service and an erratic airline schedule. It was never a problem. Filed out paper work requesting a ballot, it showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

Now last election here, I also voted absentee. The state is automatically sending absentee ballot requests out. I filled it out. And had to attach a photocopy of my driver's license. Sent it in. It showed up, I voted, and sent it back.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.

I did vote in person in 2018. Went down there and voted. They asked for ID. Nobody notarized anything.

Nobody ever thought to accuse me of cheating.



So you're saying you cheated at least 3 times.

Why do you hate Murica and freedumb?
 
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