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2020-07-02 11:18:58 PM  
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2020-07-02 11:23:38 PM  
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2020-07-02 11:26:46 PM  
Whoever wrote that dictionary entry is a festizio.
 
2020-07-02 11:27:41 PM  
Written language died when teenagers got smart phones.

My lawn. Off it.
 
2020-07-02 11:31:30 PM  
It died with Donald Trump, sitting on its head.

I can't breathe. Literalism, see.
 
2020-07-02 11:33:02 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Written language died when teenagers got smart phones.

My lawn. Off it.


Nah, it died with T9
 
2020-07-02 11:35:08 PM  
It's spelled whoa. I'll never accept woah.

DO YOU HEAR ME?! NEVER!
 
2020-07-02 11:38:25 PM  
In other news I learned what LMMO is today.

Laughing My Mask Off

Sigh
 
2020-07-02 11:41:34 PM  
Irregardless is a perfectly cromulent word to use when conversating.
 
2020-07-02 11:53:48 PM  
Alive in well I'm afraid
 
2020-07-03 12:19:06 AM  
Mæg ic be me sylfum
soðgied wrecan
siþas secgan,
hu ic geswincdagumed
earfoðhwile
oft þrowade
abitre breostceare
gebiden hæbbe,
gecunnad in ceole
 
2020-07-03 12:19:06 AM  
I was recently corrected on the use of "awhile".
 
2020-07-03 12:24:21 AM  
I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.
 
2020-07-03 12:47:59 AM  
The verbing of nouns.
 
2020-07-03 12:59:26 AM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Mæg ic be me sylfum
soðgied wrecan
siþas secgan,
hu ic geswincdagumed
earfoðhwile
oft þrowade
abitre breostceare
gebiden hæbbe,
gecunnad in ceole


Beowulf? My senior English teacher made us memorize portions of Beowulf in Old English. I have no idea why. She was a total asshole. To me, it was Greek being spoken by sadistic Germans.

But I repeat myself.
 
2020-07-03 1:50:54 AM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Mæg ic be me sylfum
soðgied wrecan
siþas secgan,
hu ic geswincdagumed
earfoðhwile
oft þrowade
abitre breostceare
gebiden hæbbe,
gecunnad in ceole


English died in 1066.
 
2020-07-03 2:07:44 AM  
Hoisted on it's own petard.
 
2020-07-03 2:07:56 AM  
I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.
 
2020-07-03 2:08:00 AM  

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Wat r u tlaknig abuot?
 
2020-07-03 2:08:02 AM  
So how do we blame this one on Millennials?
 
2020-07-03 2:08:12 AM  

abhorrent1: Irregardless is a perfectly cromulent word to use when conversating.


Why add an extra syllable when you don't need to.  Regardless means the same thing for all intensive purposes.
 
2020-07-03 2:09:06 AM  

L33t Squirrel: So how do we blame this one on Millennials?


Just say it.
 
2020-07-03 2:10:25 AM  

L33t Squirrel: So how do we blame this one on Millennials?


A lack of valid reasons never kept boomers from blaming millennials before. Why stop now?
 
2020-07-03 2:11:04 AM  
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2020-07-03 2:11:26 AM  

HawgWild: It's spelled whoa. I'll never accept woah.

DO YOU HEAR ME?! NEVER!


Woah, woah, woah calm down here, its not that bad.
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2020-07-03 2:12:10 AM  
I was so sure this was going be a Trump tweet.
 
2020-07-03 2:12:32 AM  
Only according to Merriam-Webster's, the Dane Cook of English Dictionaries.
 
2020-07-03 2:13:35 AM  
The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.
 
2020-07-03 2:14:46 AM  
Now, u b judging! I b intravenously dee live Err..:) ing TRUTH LOLOLOL!!! Sorry you clay genital pottery barns! [(LOLOLO)   farking gen X (LOLOLLOLO) you belong in a museum!!!] & you pathetic menials = blowing cocaine butterfly's up your BUTT (HEHE), but your hemorrhoid ridden assholes are gross! Eww menials!
 
2020-07-03 2:15:56 AM  

abhorrent1: Irregardless is a perfectly cromulent word to use when conversating.


Sure...  if you want to be beaten upside the head.
 
2020-07-03 2:16:06 AM  
Meaning is use.

/and, presumably, vicea versa
 
2020-07-03 2:17:23 AM  

HawgWild: It's spelled whoa. I'll never accept woah.

DO YOU HEAR ME?! NEVER!


woah is a horse command.
 
2020-07-03 2:17:39 AM  
I remember a few years back hearing two women talking in a coffee shop behind me and when she said "Yes, but irregardless irregardless..." I felt a sudden...stabbiness come over me.

And here, my goddamn Chrome spellchecker underlined stabbiness and not irregardless.
 
2020-07-03 2:19:18 AM  
Well yeah, for all intensive porpoises.

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2020-07-03 2:20:04 AM  
When humans were first making words for things, sometimes things or concepts would get discovered that needed new words. So someone would make up a new word for something and everyone eventually agreed upon using it.

Apparently, some people feel we shouldn't do that anymore? Language policing is very odd...
 
2020-07-03 2:21:21 AM  
People are overexaggerating.
 
2020-07-03 2:21:53 AM  
Can someone please show me the words tree where the words grow naturally and we harvest them to add to the dictionary so they are now officially words?

Words meanings get changed over time.

Words get created all the time irregardless of what you think.

Did you know you Shakespeare personally brought 500 words into the lexicon?  We add words here and there randomly after they have become used so often that they become words, but 1 guy, in his lifetime, brought 500 words into the lexicon.

Critics of this would hate him.  He brought "swagger", "lonely", "hint", and "critic" into the language just by using them in his plays.
 
2020-07-03 2:22:09 AM  

DoughyGuy: Apparently, some people feel we shouldn't do that anymore? Language policing is very odd...


I agree, which is why I irreplied to your post.
 
2020-07-03 2:22:13 AM  

DoughyGuy: When humans were first making words for things, sometimes things or concepts would get discovered that needed new words. So someone would make up a new word for something and everyone eventually agreed upon using it.

Apparently, some people feel we shouldn't do that anymore? Language policing is very odd...


Quiet, you. With the tower of cards collapsing around them, people need a superiority blanket to cling to.
 
2020-07-03 2:22:51 AM  
The feels when hamberder covfefe yeets your MAGA.
 
2020-07-03 2:24:18 AM  
People don't think it be like it is, but it do.
 
2020-07-03 2:25:46 AM  
Yoooo, is the english laguage seriously officially dead? <didn't click link>

Me llamo es BongDeWeed420
 
2020-07-03 2:26:46 AM  
Clearly, too many of you haven't read

Bad English: A History of Linguistic Aggravation
by Ammon Shea

And it shows
 
2020-07-03 2:27:46 AM  
Merriam-Webster to be etched onto the Scroll of C*nts? More likely than you think...
 
2020-07-03 2:29:14 AM  

Spartapuss: Hoisted on it's own petard.


its!

I've personally never heard anyone use the word 'irregardless' when speaking.  In print, the only time I've come across it is in written diatribes bemoaning the collapse of civilization as we know it....usually written by people who are trying very hard to justify those liberal arts degrees.   I honestly think we're ok here.

Clichéd idioms bother me a lot more than mutated single words.  I could live the rest of my life pretty comfortably if I never heard "at the end of the day" again.  You probably all have your own favourites as well.
 
2020-07-03 2:29:28 AM  
You all are taking the English language for granite.
 
2020-07-03 2:29:30 AM  
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2020-07-03 2:29:39 AM  

DoughyGuy: When humans were first making words for things, sometimes things or concepts would get discovered that needed new words. So someone would make up a new word for something and everyone eventually agreed upon using it.

Apparently, some people feel we shouldn't do that anymore? Language policing is very odd...


Right. Give an example of a new concept that needs a new word. Is it "OMG Hillary wore a pantsuit and sent an email about this?" There's already a word for that: "bullshiat."
 
2020-07-03 2:31:22 AM  

dkulprit: Can someone please show me the words tree where the words grow naturally and we harvest them to add to the dictionary so they are now officially words?

Words meanings get changed over time.

Words get created all the time irregardless of what you think.

Did you know you Shakespeare personally brought 500 words into the lexicon?  We add words here and there randomly after they have become used so often that they become words, but 1 guy, in his lifetime, brought 500 words into the lexicon.

Critics of this would hate him.  He brought "swagger", "lonely", "hint", and "critic" into the language just by using them in his plays.


Incarnadine is my favorite.
 
2020-07-03 2:31:37 AM  

FlyingBacon: L33t Squirrel: So how do we blame this one on Millennials?

Just say it.


Literally.
 
2020-07-03 2:33:27 AM  
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2020-07-03 2:36:12 AM  
Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.
 
2020-07-03 2:37:02 AM  
If we can have flammable and inflammable we can have regardless and irregardless.
 
2020-07-03 2:37:02 AM  

aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.


As I said, why add another syllable if you don't have to?  It's like "orientate", which I also hate with the fire of a thousand suns.
 
2020-07-03 2:37:06 AM  

GardenWeasel: ecmoRandomNumbers: Written language died when teenagers got smart phones.

My lawn. Off it.

Nah, it died with T9


#Free T1
 
2020-07-03 2:38:00 AM  
C is for Contrafibularity | Blackadder The Third | BBC Comedy Greats
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2020-07-03 2:38:53 AM  

Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.


Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.
 
2020-07-03 2:39:10 AM  
Oh, well, in that case, sir, I hope you will not object if I also offer the Doctor my most enthusiastic contrafibularities. I'm anaspeptic, phrasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.
 
2020-07-03 2:41:04 AM  
M-W has been including nonstandard words, labeled as "nonstandard," for many years now.
 
2020-07-03 2:42:04 AM  

fusillade762: abhorrent1: Irregardless is a perfectly cromulent word to use when conversating.

Why add an extra syllable when you don't need to.  Regardless means the same thing for all intensive purposes.


Now that's a whole nother kind of porpoise.
 
2020-07-03 2:44:06 AM  
Most human languages were developed by illiterates.  English was a group project by three sets of illiterates (Celts, Angles/Saxons/Jutes, Vikings/Danes/Norwegians) and semiliterate Normans.  Then the educated people had a go at it -- Samuel Johnson declaring that the gates of English are open and to keep it pure would be folly, "to lash the wind".

Then the Anglophones on one side of the pond decided to conquer most of their hemisphere and the Anglophones on the other decided to invite or force people of every nation to come over to our side of the pond and talked with them.

So English is an unwieldy, unstable, illogical mess.  That's why it has become a lingua franca.
 
2020-07-03 2:45:13 AM  
Yeah, its a living language. Suck it
 
2020-07-03 2:45:34 AM  
It's fine, languages evolve constantly. It's just a matter of time until "scroteblast" is being used daily. America needs this word, frankly.
 
2020-07-03 2:50:43 AM  

i ignore u: Well yeah, for all intensive porpoises.

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2020-07-03 2:52:00 AM  

studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.


The adverbing of adjectives.

/drive safe
//think different
///twitch
 
2020-07-03 2:52:19 AM  
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2020-07-03 2:52:21 AM  

i ignore u: Well yeah, for all intensive porpoises.

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That's the flying ointment
 
2020-07-03 2:53:14 AM  
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2020-07-03 2:55:05 AM  

anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.


tabernac!
 
2020-07-03 2:59:27 AM  

i ignore u: Well yeah, for all intensive porpoises.

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Chomping at the bit
 
2020-07-03 2:59:50 AM  

anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.


The American English dictionary DEFINATELY does not make the rules.
I'll wait until the Oxford English dictionary weighs in.
 
2020-07-03 3:00:42 AM  

anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.


This
 
2020-07-03 3:00:45 AM  

cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.


I think this one is fine. It's like you cared so little that you didn't even bother to get the phrase right. I accept it.
 
2020-07-03 3:04:45 AM  
Eh, English died when we stopped using the long s.
 
2020-07-03 3:05:33 AM  
Decimate. Reduce by 10%.
 
2020-07-03 3:05:45 AM  

Begoggle: People are overexaggerating.


In German 'exaggerate' is 'übertrieben' which is like saying 'over propel' or 'over drive'.
 
2020-07-03 3:08:29 AM  

waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This


Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.
 
2020-07-03 3:10:09 AM  
I amn't hungry anymore. I already et.
 
2020-07-03 3:10:46 AM  
Not how it works. When a word gets added to an English dictionary, it's because the writers of that dictionary stopped being stubborn about it. And as backward as the word is considering what it's constructed from, when everyone who uses a word is wrong about what it means, you're actually wrong and they're right. That's how the language do.
 
2020-07-03 3:11:22 AM  
Oblig

The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English".
In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter.
In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.
By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.
After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!

Guten Tag.
 
2020-07-03 3:11:25 AM  

dkulprit: Can someone please show me the words tree where the words grow naturally and we harvest them to add to the dictionary so they are now officially words?

Words meanings get changed over time.

Words get created all the time irregardless of what you think.

Did you know you Shakespeare personally brought 500 words into the lexicon?  We add words here and there randomly after they have become used so often that they become words, but 1 guy, in his lifetime, brought 500 words into the lexicon.

Critics of this would hate him.  He brought "swagger", "lonely", "hint", and "critic" into the language just by using them in his plays.


I don't think the problem is so much with new words, the problem is stupidly used words. "Irregardless" is unnecessary because it means the same as "regardless", which not only preceded it, but is shorter thus more efficient. Whereas adding the prefix just shows ignorance of language and its roots.
 
2020-07-03 3:12:33 AM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.


Fair enough.

But,
It was very enlightening to learn how false the attitude of teacher's was. They acted like English was set in stone. And, insisted that ain't wasn't a word. I wish I could tattoo yet on their foreheads.
Cu*ts
 
2020-07-03 3:15:25 AM  

Abacus9: dkulprit: Can someone please show me the words tree where the words grow naturally and we harvest them to add to the dictionary so they are now officially words?

Words meanings get changed over time.

Words get created all the time irregardless of what you think.

Did you know you Shakespeare personally brought 500 words into the lexicon?  We add words here and there randomly after they have become used so often that they become words, but 1 guy, in his lifetime, brought 500 words into the lexicon.

Critics of this would hate him.  He brought "swagger", "lonely", "hint", and "critic" into the language just by using them in his plays.

I don't think the problem is so much with new words, the problem is stupidly used words. "Irregardless" is unnecessary because it means the same as "regardless", which not only preceded it, but is shorter thus more efficient. Whereas adding the prefix just shows ignorance of language and its roots.


You're completely missing the point.
Usage is the authority here not how you feel.
 
2020-07-03 3:17:06 AM  
This really burns me up.

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2020-07-03 3:23:41 AM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.


You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.
 
2020-07-03 3:24:01 AM  

in flagrante: Spartapuss: Hoisted on it's own petard.

its!

I've personally never heard anyone use the word 'irregardless' when speaking.  In print, the only time I've come across it is in written diatribes bemoaning the collapse of civilization as we know it....usually written by people who are trying very hard to justify those liberal arts degrees.   I honestly think we're ok here.

Clichéd idioms bother me a lot more than mutated single words.  I could live the rest of my life pretty comfortably if I never heard "at the end of the day" again.  You probably all have your own favourites as well.


I could be wrong, but shouldn't that be "if I'd never heard", because it's subjunctive?
 
2020-07-03 3:24:33 AM  

Nullav: Not how it works. When a word gets added to an English dictionary, it's because the writers of that dictionary stopped being stubborn about it. And as backward as the word is considering what it's constructed from, when everyone who uses a word is wrong about what it means, you're actually wrong and they're right. That's how the language do.


Fine. Then what do we use for Scrabble?
 
2020-07-03 3:25:08 AM  

phishrace: This really burns me up.

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I can't wait until "unflammable" catches on and we start having more problems with that.
 
2020-07-03 3:25:13 AM  
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2020-07-03 3:26:16 AM  
Madness in great ones must not unwatched go.
 
2020-07-03 3:26:58 AM  

Abacus9: in flagrante: Spartapuss: Hoisted on it's own petard.

its!

I've personally never heard anyone use the word 'irregardless' when speaking.  In print, the only time I've come across it is in written diatribes bemoaning the collapse of civilization as we know it....usually written by people who are trying very hard to justify those liberal arts degrees.   I honestly think we're ok here.

Clichéd idioms bother me a lot more than mutated single words.  I could live the rest of my life pretty comfortably if I never heard "at the end of the day" again.  You probably all have your own favourites as well.

I could be wrong, but shouldn't that be "if I'd never heard", because it's subjunctive?


Yes, because online grammar is always correct. Chat Nazi.
 
2020-07-03 3:27:02 AM  

baron von doodle: Nullav: Not how it works. When a word gets added to an English dictionary, it's because the writers of that dictionary stopped being stubborn about it. And as backward as the word is considering what it's constructed from, when everyone who uses a word is wrong about what it means, you're actually wrong and they're right. That's how the language do.

Fine. Then what do we use for Scrabble?


An argument that can convince at least two other players. Coincidentally, this is the only known mechanism for officially adding words to the language.
 
2020-07-03 3:27:33 AM  

Nullav: phishrace: This really burns me up.

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I can't wait until "unflammable" catches on and we start having more problems with that.


Inflammable even.
 
2020-07-03 3:27:36 AM  

baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.


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2020-07-03 3:28:15 AM  

Nullav: phishrace: This really burns me up.

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I can't wait until "unflammable" catches on and we start having more problems with that.


I'm holding out until "flimflammable."

/no, i'm not
 
2020-07-03 3:28:28 AM  
Now we must undo Mathematics with Eleventy!

/ Just before Umpteenth.
 
2020-07-03 3:28:43 AM  

baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.


No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?
 
2020-07-03 3:29:08 AM  

waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.


"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.
 
2020-07-03 3:29:10 AM  

Nullav: baron von doodle: Nullav: Not how it works. When a word gets added to an English dictionary, it's because the writers of that dictionary stopped being stubborn about it. And as backward as the word is considering what it's constructed from, when everyone who uses a word is wrong about what it means, you're actually wrong and they're right. That's how the language do.

Fine. Then what do we use for Scrabble?

An argument that can convince at least two other players. Coincidentally, this is the only known mechanism for officially adding words to the language.


Fine. I'll use my official Scrabble dictionary from 99. 😁
 
2020-07-03 3:31:12 AM  

waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?


I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.
 
2020-07-03 3:32:04 AM  
Make sense?
 
2020-07-03 3:32:11 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.


I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.
 
2020-07-03 3:32:11 AM  

Yamaneko2: Most human languages were developed by illiterates.  English was a group project by three sets of illiterates (Celts, Angles/Saxons/Jutes, Vikings/Danes/Norwegians) and semiliterate Normans.  Then the educated people had a go at it -- Samuel Johnson declaring that the gates of English are open and to keep it pure would be folly, "to lash the wind".

Then the Anglophones on one side of the pond decided to conquer most of their hemisphere and the Anglophones on the other decided to invite or force people of every nation to come over to our side of the pond and talked with them.

So English is an unwieldy, unstable, illogical mess.  That's why it has become a lingua franca.


Excellent.
 
2020-07-03 3:32:46 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.


Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.
 
2020-07-03 3:33:14 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.


Qua? Ain't is racist?
 
2020-07-03 3:34:38 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.


🤗😁

But, for real,
You'd like
Bad English: A History of Linguistic Aggravation

It's very enlightening.
 
2020-07-03 3:35:37 AM  
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2020-07-03 3:35:51 AM  

Abacus9: Yamaneko2: Most human languages were developed by illiterates.  English was a group project by three sets of illiterates (Celts, Angles/Saxons/Jutes, Vikings/Danes/Norwegians) and semiliterate Normans.  Then the educated people had a go at it -- Samuel Johnson declaring that the gates of English are open and to keep it pure would be folly, "to lash the wind".

Then the Anglophones on one side of the pond decided to conquer most of their hemisphere and the Anglophones on the other decided to invite or force people of every nation to come over to our side of the pond and talked with them.

So English is an unwieldy, unstable, illogical mess.  That's why it has become a lingua franca.

Excellent.


Nnnnnnn

It's become a Smoresabortion.
 
2020-07-03 3:36:23 AM  

cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.


Don't care about being consistent. Decimate hacks me off because they mean destroy or other synonyms. It originated in laziness and infected the language.
 
2020-07-03 3:37:14 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: [Fark user image 612x408]


Ah, Carrie. Sorta cute on the left, hot blood-covered mess on the right.
 
2020-07-03 3:37:38 AM  

cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.


Addendum

September - "septem" meaning seventh month

October - octo - eight month

November - novem - ninth month

December - decim - tenth month

No one gets upset about how they represent months that dont correspond to their names. So why do some get their panties in a bunch over decimate?
 
2020-07-03 3:37:48 AM  
Hot mess covered in blood, you know. Christ.
 
2020-07-03 3:38:00 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.


Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.
 
2020-07-03 3:38:03 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: Yamaneko2: Most human languages were developed by illiterates.  English was a group project by three sets of illiterates (Celts, Angles/Saxons/Jutes, Vikings/Danes/Norwegians) and semiliterate Normans.  Then the educated people had a go at it -- Samuel Johnson declaring that the gates of English are open and to keep it pure would be folly, "to lash the wind".

Then the Anglophones on one side of the pond decided to conquer most of their hemisphere and the Anglophones on the other decided to invite or force people of every nation to come over to our side of the pond and talked with them.

So English is an unwieldy, unstable, illogical mess.  That's why it has become a lingua franca.

Excellent.

Nnnnnnn

It's become a Smoresabortion.


Good word but I would put an h before bortion.
 
2020-07-03 3:39:24 AM  

baron von doodle: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Don't care about being consistent. Decimate hacks me off because they mean destroy or other synonyms. It originated in laziness and infected the language.


The word "deer" once meant any kind of animal before its meaning narrowed to what it is today. The word "silly" once meant "innocent" before it went thru an ungodly transformation. The word "smart" originally meant "pain".

Language changes. It happens. Embrace it. Dont hate it.
 
2020-07-03 3:40:37 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

The American English dictionary DEFINATELY does not make the rules.
I'll wait until the Oxford English dictionary weighs in.


Definitely.
 
2020-07-03 3:40:46 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.

Qua? Ain't is racist?


I'm talking about when I was in school in 1979.

Fat, white, (and sometimes old)  ladies was very insistent that ain't wasn't a word they got God darn ambivalent about it.
I'm convinced it was racism.
 
2020-07-03 3:41:34 AM  
irregardless: Lacking of an eerie guard.
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2020-07-03 3:42:21 AM  
What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!
 
2020-07-03 3:42:33 AM  
Irregardless is a stupid, unnecessary word, but it's in widespread enough use and doesn't directly contradict any rules of how words are constructed enough to be a "real" word.

Actually I always kind of assumed it was the original word since it has an archaic prefix, like with inflammable and flammable (inflammable was the original word but it sort of incidentally works out that flammable conveys the same meaning by accident).  Looking it up it seems like it comes from blending irrespective and regardless in the mid-20th century, so probably it's listed as an irregular usage/slang term at this point?  e.g. "ain't" and "y'all".
 
2020-07-03 3:42:33 AM  

Abacus9: I could be wrong, but shouldn't that be "if I'd never heard", because it's subjunctive?


Using the modal auxiliary verb "could" to modify "live" at the beginning of the sentence should be enough for a reader to follow me on my imagined scenario, without strict grammatical agreement in the conditional clause.  Debatable I guess.

If we're being Nazis, I'd probably have to concede.
 
2020-07-03 3:42:58 AM  

cman: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Addendum

September - "septem" meaning seventh month

October - octo - eight month

November - novem - ninth month

December - decim - tenth month

No one gets upset about how they represent months that dont correspond to their names. So why do some get their panties in a bunch over decimate?


Oh my God I didn't know about this but I'm loving it it further goes to show that, some, teachers are some dumbf$$ks.
but to be fair it's not them it's their syllabuses that they obey and those syllabuses are made by the school board which is a bunch of people who just happen to have money.
 
2020-07-03 3:43:57 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: Abacus9: Yamaneko2: Most human languages were developed by illiterates.  English was a group project by three sets of illiterates (Celts, Angles/Saxons/Jutes, Vikings/Danes/Norwegians) and semiliterate Normans.  Then the educated people had a go at it -- Samuel Johnson declaring that the gates of English are open and to keep it pure would be folly, "to lash the wind".

Then the Anglophones on one side of the pond decided to conquer most of their hemisphere and the Anglophones on the other decided to invite or force people of every nation to come over to our side of the pond and talked with them.

So English is an unwieldy, unstable, illogical mess.  That's why it has become a lingua franca.

Excellent.

Nnnnnnn

It's become a Smoresabortion.

Good word but I would put an h before bortion.


Cool.
Let It be written let it be done
 
2020-07-03 3:44:02 AM  

waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.


33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

Serious about the way Soviet troops were treated. Not so much about the rest.
 
2020-07-03 3:45:24 AM  

baron von doodle: It's become a Smoresabortion.

Good word but I would put an h before bortion.

Smoreshbortion?

 
2020-07-03 3:45:27 AM  

waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.

Qua? Ain't is racist?

I'm talking about when I was in school in 1979.

Fat, white, (and sometimes old)  ladies was very insistent that ain't wasn't a word they got God darn ambivalent about it.
I'm convinced it was racism.


Ah, sorry. I'm 39 btw.
 
2020-07-03 3:45:52 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: dkulprit: Can someone please show me the words tree where the words grow naturally and we harvest them to add to the dictionary so they are now officially words?

Words meanings get changed over time.

Words get created all the time irregardless of what you think.

Did you know you Shakespeare personally brought 500 words into the lexicon?  We add words here and there randomly after they have become used so often that they become words, but 1 guy, in his lifetime, brought 500 words into the lexicon.

Critics of this would hate him.  He brought "swagger", "lonely", "hint", and "critic" into the language just by using them in his plays.

I don't think the problem is so much with new words, the problem is stupidly used words. "Irregardless" is unnecessary because it means the same as "regardless", which not only preceded it, but is shorter thus more efficient. Whereas adding the prefix just shows ignorance of language and its roots.

You're completely missing the point.
Usage is the authority here not how you feel.


I understand that, and I never said the usage was "wrong". Only that is was "stupid", which is correct.
 
2020-07-03 3:46:57 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.

33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝


I find it funny how everytime someone brings up the "history" of decimate as an example of "true meaning", it's from a different era, war, or country.
 
2020-07-03 3:47:54 AM  

CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!


Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.
 
2020-07-03 3:48:22 AM  

baron von doodle: Abacus9: in flagrante: Spartapuss: Hoisted on it's own petard.

its!

I've personally never heard anyone use the word 'irregardless' when speaking.  In print, the only time I've come across it is in written diatribes bemoaning the collapse of civilization as we know it....usually written by people who are trying very hard to justify those liberal arts degrees.   I honestly think we're ok here.

Clichéd idioms bother me a lot more than mutated single words.  I could live the rest of my life pretty comfortably if I never heard "at the end of the day" again.  You probably all have your own favourites as well.

I could be wrong, but shouldn't that be "if I'd never heard", because it's subjunctive?

Yes, because online grammar is always correct. Chat Nazi.


I was correcting a grammar Nazi who used incorrect grammar. I don't personally care, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
 
2020-07-03 3:48:53 AM  

cman: The word "deer" once meant any kind of animal before its meaning narrowed to what it is today. The word "silly" once meant "innocent" before it went thru an ungodly transformation. The word "smart" originally meant "pain


ROFLMAO.
I utterly love learning theses.

This is a silly jab, but, smart people are a pain.
 
2020-07-03 3:49:34 AM  

Abacus9: Commander Lysdexic: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

The American English dictionary DEFINATELY does not make the rules.
I'll wait until the Oxford English dictionary weighs in.

Definitely.


Didn't Oxford enter in abbreviations from text speak
 
2020-07-03 3:49:50 AM  

waxbeans: baron von doodle: It's become a Smoresabortion.

Good word but I would put an h before bortion.

Smoreshbortion?


Yes. Sounds funnier that way. If you are making up a word, why not make it funny?
 
2020-07-03 3:51:31 AM  
Cman, want to do the kangaroo word origin myth?
 
2020-07-03 3:52:48 AM  

baron von doodle: Cman, want to do the kangaroo word origin myth?


I dont know a single thing about the etymology of "kangaroo". Never actually thought of looking it up.
 
2020-07-03 3:53:04 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.


I'm 43. A bit younger, but I went to a fairly conservative Christian school. Ditto on the upper-middle aged teachers. I don't think they only just accepted "ain't" into their lexicon within that three-year span.
 
2020-07-03 3:53:38 AM  
 
2020-07-03 3:54:04 AM  

cman: baron von doodle: Cman, want to do the kangaroo word origin myth?

I dont know a single thing about the etymology of "kangaroo". Never actually thought of looking it up.


It's.... See link.
 
2020-07-03 3:55:39 AM  

baron von doodle: Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.

33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

Serious about the way Soviet troops were treated. Not so much about the rest.


I'm getting it.
And, if people don't practice social distancing and wearing of masks and all that other jazz,
C-19 may very well randomly kill one in ten Americans.
AKA decimate us like a Russian officer.
 
2020-07-03 3:57:21 AM  

waxbeans: baron von doodle: Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.

33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

Serious about the way Soviet troops were treated. Not so much about the rest.

I'm getting it.
And, if people don't practice social distancing and wearing of masks and all that other jazz,
C-19 may very well randomly kill one in ten Americans.
AKA decimate us like a Russian officer.


More or less. Not Russian though. Soviet. Different ish entities.
 
2020-07-03 3:57:33 AM  

Abacus9: I don't personally care, just pointing out the hypocrisy


There's a difference between full blown hypocrisy and just typing rapidly at 4am.

You got me.  Enjoy your laurels.  :)
 
2020-07-03 3:57:40 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.

Qua? Ain't is racist?

I'm talking about when I was in school in 1979.

Fat, white, (and sometimes old)  ladies was very insistent that ain't wasn't a word they got God darn ambivalent about it.
I'm convinced it was racism.

Ah, sorry. I'm 39 btw.


Holy Christ on a cracker

1934
An unabridged dictionary was added in 1934 with 114,000 words. This is probably when "ain't" was added to the dictionary.

I guess this proves that those teachers were being racist
 
2020-07-03 3:57:46 AM  

baron von doodle: CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!

Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.


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Don't go looking for logic in language.
 
2020-07-03 3:57:49 AM  

baron von doodle: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Don't care about being consistent. Decimate hacks me off because they mean destroy or other synonyms. It originated in laziness and infected the language.


Didn't it come from the Roman practice of, upon losing a battle, the general or whoever was in charge would kill one tenth of his soldiers at random as punishment? Now people think it means to kill all but 10 percent. Weird hill to choose decimation upon.
 
2020-07-03 3:59:21 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Written language died when teenagers got smart phones.

My lawn. Off it.


I blame the hipsters and their portmanteaus
 
2020-07-03 3:59:29 AM  

Abacus9: I understand that, and I never said the usage was "wrong". Only that is was "stupid", which is correct.


I get the distinct feeling you harp on people based on their regional Annunciation of words don't you?
 
2020-07-03 3:59:40 AM  

waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.

Qua? Ain't is racist?

I'm talking about when I was in school in 1979.

Fat, white, (and sometimes old)  ladies was very insistent that ain't wasn't a word they got God darn ambivalent about it.
I'm convinced it was racism.

Ah, sorry. I'm 39 btw.

Holy Christ on a cracker

1934
An unabridged dictionary was added in 1934 with 114,000 words. This is probably when "ain't" was added to the dictionary.

I guess this proves that those teachers were being racist


Damn. '34.
 
2020-07-03 4:01:34 AM  

aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.


I occasionally say disirregardless to fark with people
 
2020-07-03 4:01:34 AM  

BafflerMeal: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.

33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

I find it funny how everytime someone brings up the "history" of decimate as an example of "true meaning", it's from a different era, war, or country.


And it annoys me that a less than ten years after IT words I learned, they were already being misused and destroyed

The rage that fills my heart man
 
2020-07-03 4:02:03 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.


The word's been in use to mean "destroyed a lot of" since the 1660s. Probably best to just let that one go.

/The word "Chair" goes back a bit farther but originally meant "throne" or "pulpit"
//It all changes
 
2020-07-03 4:02:09 AM  

waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.

Qua? Ain't is racist?

I'm talking about when I was in school in 1979.

Fat, white, (and sometimes old)  ladies was very insistent that ain't wasn't a word they got God darn ambivalent about it.
I'm convinced it was racism.


That would have been around Kindergarten, right? They also probably told you that your tongue had only four taste receptors, located on different parts of your tongue. Have you not figured out by now that it was all a lie?
 
2020-07-03 4:02:44 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: It's become a Smoresabortion.

Good word but I would put an h before bortion.

Smoreshbortion?

Yes. Sounds funnier that way. If you are making up a word, why not make it funny?


😁
 
2020-07-03 4:03:06 AM  

baron von doodle: Don't care about being consistent. Decimate hacks me off because they mean destroy or other synonyms. It originated in laziness and infected the language.


It's meant "destroy, or damage to the point of crippling" for longer than modern English has existed, what the fark are you on about?

The root of the word refers to a somewhat-apocryphal punitive measure of executing one man in ten of a group of rebels by lot, but no one has ever literally meant that.  The thing you're complaining about "changing" is very much the original and only meaning the word's ever had.

This is like getting upset that when someone is called "draconian" they're not literally using a specific set of ancient Mesopotamian laws, or that when you buy fifteen head of cattle you get fifteen entire cattle with legs and torsos included.  You're not even being an actual conservative about the language here, you're being a "conservative" in the sense that US politicians self-identify as 'conservative', where they make up some random bullshiat that never actually happened even once and declare it was totally always tradition.

Decimate never meant elimination of one in ten.  Not once, not ever.  Give it up.

// Chances are that, since the practice was kinda apocryphal, it never even meant literally destroy one in ten in Latin, either.
 
2020-07-03 4:03:39 AM  

Abacus9: baron von doodle: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Don't care about being consistent. Decimate hacks me off because they mean destroy or other synonyms. It originated in laziness and infected the language.

Didn't it come from the Roman practice of, upon losing a battle, the general or whoever was in charge would kill one tenth of his soldiers at random as punishment? Now people think it means to kill all but 10 percent. Weird hill to choose decimation upon.


Huh. I guess the Soviets got it from the Romans. It was only used in capital crimes. Desertion, treason, etc. The Romans were a bit more harsh. A member from the unit had to execute one in ten.
 
2020-07-03 4:05:06 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: baron von doodle: CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!

Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.

[Fark user image image 850x332]
Don't go looking for logic in language.


Or American food.
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-07-03 4:05:55 AM  

waxbeans: 33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

Serious about the way Soviet troops were treated. Not so much about the rest.

I'm getting it.
And, if people don't practice social distancing and wearing of masks and all that other jazz,
C-19 may very well randomly kill one in ten Americans.
AKA decimate us like a Russian officer.


A claim regarding the behaviour of "Officers in the Soviet Union" during "WW1" is odd to see from someone also claiming to be very concerned about historical accuracy.
 
2020-07-03 4:06:35 AM  

cman: baron von doodle: Cman, want to do the kangaroo word origin myth?

I dont know a single thing about the etymology of "kangaroo". Never actually thought of looking it up.


Oh wow.

That seems jacked up. The myth.

But the I don't know court is interesting
 
2020-07-03 4:07:16 AM  

CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!


If I told you I had a funk band (joke from another thread about those two idiots pointing guns at protesters) called "Mustard-covered Boobs and the Gang", I would also tell you one of our biggest hits was called "Summer Mayonnaise".
 
2020-07-03 4:07:30 AM  

pkjun: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

The word's been in use to mean "destroyed a lot of" since the 1660s. Probably best to just let that one go.

/The word "Chair" goes back a bit farther but originally meant "throne" or "pulpit"
//It all changes


It dates to the Roman empire. Try again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decim​a​tion_(Roman_army)
 
2020-07-03 4:07:39 AM  
Also had a hit with "Relish".
 
2020-07-03 4:07:48 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.


Ain't is a very old word and historically used to be a proper contraction.
 
2020-07-03 4:08:09 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.

I'm 43. A bit younger, but I went to a fairly conservative Christian school. Ditto on the upper-middle aged teachers. I don't think they only just accepted "ain't" into their lexicon within that three-year span.


Good point.

Maybe it's a Texas thing?
The the two teach teachers I'm thinking of was native Texans
 
2020-07-03 4:09:46 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.

33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

Serious about the way Soviet troops were treated. Not so much about the rest.

I'm getting it.
And, if people don't practice social distancing and wearing of masks and all that other jazz,
C-19 may very well randomly kill one in ten Americans.
AKA decimate us like a Russian officer.

More or less. Not Russian though. Soviet. Different ish entities.


My bad. Yeah.

Also, (self reminder)
USSR fell.
 
2020-07-03 4:09:51 AM  

Jim_Callahan: baron von doodle: Don't care about being consistent. Decimate hacks me off because they mean destroy or other synonyms. It originated in laziness and infected the language.

It's meant "destroy, or damage to the point of crippling" for longer than modern English has existed, what the fark are you on about?

The root of the word refers to a somewhat-apocryphal punitive measure of executing one man in ten of a group of rebels by lot, but no one has ever literally meant that.  The thing you're complaining about "changing" is very much the original and only meaning the word's ever had.

This is like getting upset that when someone is called "draconian" they're not literally using a specific set of ancient Mesopotamian laws, or that when you buy fifteen head of cattle you get fifteen entire cattle with legs and torsos included.  You're not even being an actual conservative about the language here, you're being a "conservative" in the sense that US politicians self-identify as 'conservative', where they make up some random bullshiat that never actually happened even once and declare it was totally always tradition.

Decimate never meant elimination of one in ten.  Not once, not ever.  Give it up.

// Chances are that, since the practice was kinda apocryphal, it never even meant literally destroy one in ten in Latin, either.


Yes, to the point of crippling. Any military unit that suffers 10% losses has good odds to break, especially in Roman times.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decim​a​tion_(Roman_army)
 
2020-07-03 4:11:13 AM  

waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.

33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

Serious about the way Soviet troops were treated. Not so much about the rest.

I'm getting it.
And, if people don't practice social distancing and wearing of masks and all that other jazz,
C-19 may very well randomly kill one in ten Americans.
AKA decimate us like a Russian officer.

More or less. Not Russian though. Soviet. Different ish entities.

My bad. Yeah.

Also, (self reminder)
USSR fell.


Kinda. Putin is leader for life now apparently. Separate subject. I'll drop it.
 
2020-07-03 4:11:52 AM  

waxbeans: cman: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Addendum

September - "septem" meaning seventh month

October - octo - eight month

November - novem - ninth month

December - decim - tenth month

No one gets upset about how they represent months that dont correspond to their names. So why do some get their panties in a bunch over decimate?

Oh my God I didn't know about this but I'm loving it it further goes to show that, some, teachers are some dumbf$$ks.
but to be fair it's not them it's their syllabuses that they obey and those syllabuses are made by the school board which is a bunch of people who just happen to have money.


The Romans named those months back when the year started in March. In those days, September WAS the seventh month. Etc.
 
2020-07-03 4:13:17 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: cman: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Addendum

September - "septem" meaning seventh month

October - octo - eight month

November - novem - ninth month

December - decim - tenth month

No one gets upset about how they represent months that dont correspond to their names. So why do some get their panties in a bunch over decimate?

Oh my God I didn't know about this but I'm loving it it further goes to show that, some, teachers are some dumbf$$ks.
but to be fair it's not them it's their syllabuses that they obey and those syllabuses are made by the school board which is a bunch of people who just happen to have money.

The Romans named those months back when the year started in March. In those days, September WAS the seventh month. Etc.


Nice. Thanks for knowledge.
 
2020-07-03 4:14:31 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.

I occasionally say disirregardless to fark with people


I'm going to start saying that, disirregardless of how it makes ppl feels.
 
2020-07-03 4:16:33 AM  

baron von doodle: pkjun: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

The word's been in use to mean "destroyed a lot of" since the 1660s. Probably best to just let that one go.

/The word "Chair" goes back a bit farther but originally meant "throne" or "pulpit"
//It all changes

It dates to the Roman empire. Try again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decima​tion_(Roman_army)


Okay, let's try again with you being less of a dumbass.

The term has been in common use in the English language to mean "destroyed a large but indefinite amount of" since the 1660s at least. We are talking about the English language, and how its use of a commonly understood word differs from the apocryphal pseudohistorical Roman references to purported group punishments from which that word derives. Even if decimation only meant "killing 1/10 by lot" in Latin -- which it absolutely did not; they used it as a figurative reference to an imagined more-barbaric history also, and there is very little evidence that anyone was ever actually decimated -- we are discussing how it is used in English, and it has been used in English with its current popular meaning for four and a half centuries. Get over it.
 
2020-07-03 4:16:55 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.

Qua? Ain't is racist?

I'm talking about when I was in school in 1979.

Fat, white, (and sometimes old)  ladies was very insistent that ain't wasn't a word they got God darn ambivalent about it.
I'm convinced it was racism.

That would have been around Kindergarten, right? They also probably told you that your tongue had only four taste receptors, located on different parts of your tongue. Have you not figured out by now that it was all a lie?


I've been getting that feeling for at least 20 years.

About this and many other things.
the interesting thing is people are still holding on to those lies and being insistent about them.
 
2020-07-03 4:17:30 AM  

baron von doodle: CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!

Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.


So you're saying we eat it, turn it to shiat, and shiat it for others? Yes. And that's fine. Languages change. English is probably the worst offender, but it's such a rich language for it (because it's a thief). But it's a good thief because it doesn't take away from the other languages.
 
2020-07-03 4:18:17 AM  

cman: Addendum

September - "septem" meaning seventh month

October - octo - eight month

November - novem - ninth month

December - decim - tenth month

No one gets upset about how they represent months that dont correspond to their names. So why do some get their panties in a bunch over decimate?


The names did correspond to their months before the Romans added January and February to the start of the year in order to fix their then shambolic calendar.
 
2020-07-03 4:19:14 AM  

Jim_Callahan: baron von doodle: Don't care about being consistent. Decimate hacks me off because they mean destroy or other synonyms. It originated in laziness and infected the language.

It's meant "destroy, or damage to the point of crippling" for longer than modern English has existed, what the fark are you on about?

The root of the word refers to a somewhat-apocryphal punitive measure of executing one man in ten of a group of rebels by lot, but no one has ever literally meant that.  The thing you're complaining about "changing" is very much the original and only meaning the word's ever had.

This is like getting upset that when someone is called "draconian" they're not literally using a specific set of ancient Mesopotamian laws, or that when you buy fifteen head of cattle you get fifteen entire cattle with legs and torsos included.  You're not even being an actual conservative about the language here, you're being a "conservative" in the sense that US politicians self-identify as 'conservative', where they make up some random bullshiat that never actually happened even once and declare it was totally always tradition.

Decimate never meant elimination of one in ten.  Not once, not ever.  Give it up.

// Chances are that, since the practice was kinda apocryphal, it never even meant literally destroy one in ten in Latin, either.


the fun thing is if we use it in the manner of one in ten and it catches on then that will be its meeting because  usage is King
 
2020-07-03 4:20:00 AM  

baron von doodle: Ganon D. Mire: baron von doodle: CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!

Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.

[Fark user image image 850x332]
Don't go looking for logic in language.

Or American food.
[Fark user image image 425x425]


It's so disturbing to learn that this is mostly oil
 
2020-07-03 4:20:50 AM  

pkjun: waxbeans: 33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

Serious about the way Soviet troops were treated. Not so much about the rest.

I'm getting it.
And, if people don't practice social distancing and wearing of masks and all that other jazz,
C-19 may very well randomly kill one in ten Americans.
AKA decimate us like a Russian officer.

A claim regarding the behaviour of "Officers in the Soviet Union" during "WW1" is odd to see from someone also claiming to be very concerned about historical accuracy.


Oh now you just nitpicking
 
2020-07-03 4:20:56 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: Commander Lysdexic: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

The American English dictionary DEFINATELY does not make the rules.
I'll wait until the Oxford English dictionary weighs in.

Definitely.

Didn't Oxford enter in abbreviations from text speak


How the fark would I know, I was just correcting someone else's misspelling (again, to screw over hypocrites, not because I care about this shiat.)
 
2020-07-03 4:21:52 AM  

Abacus9: If I told you I had a funk band (joke from another thread about those two idiots pointing guns at protesters) called "Mustard-covered Boobs and the Gang", I would also tell you one of our biggest hits was called "Summer Mayonnaise".


😆😆😆😆
 
2020-07-03 4:22:47 AM  

Abacus9: Also had a hit with "Relish".


Oh my gosh so that means I can say I relish the hell out of relish
 
2020-07-03 4:23:05 AM  

pkjun: baron von doodle: pkjun: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

The word's been in use to mean "destroyed a lot of" since the 1660s. Probably best to just let that one go.

/The word "Chair" goes back a bit farther but originally meant "throne" or "pulpit"
//It all changes

It dates to the Roman empire. Try again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decima​tion_(Roman_army)

Okay, let's try again with you being less of a dumbass.

The term has been in common use in the English language to mean "destroyed a large but indefinite amount of" since the 1660s at least. We are talking about the English language, and how its use of a commonly understood word differs from the apocryphal pseudohistorical Roman references to purported group punishments from which that word derives. Even if decimation only meant "killing 1/10 by lot" in Latin -- which it absolutely did not; they used it as a figurative reference to an imagined more-barbaric history also, and there is very little evidence that anyone was ever actually decimated -- we are discussing how it is used in English, and it has been used in English with its current popular meaning for four and a half centuries. Get over it.


You started the insults, not me you useless semi-sentient bag of mostly water. Yes, the usage shifted in the 1600s but it shifted back in the USSR. Do try to keep up. It seems that you are....ahem, slow.
 
2020-07-03 4:23:27 AM  

RedVentrue: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

Ain't is a very old word and historically used to be a proper contraction.


I guess this settles it those teachers were being disingenuous
 
2020-07-03 4:23:42 AM  

Gordon Bennett: cman: Addendum

September - "septem" meaning seventh month

October - octo - eight month

November - novem - ninth month

December - decim - tenth month

No one gets upset about how they represent months that dont correspond to their names. So why do some get their panties in a bunch over decimate?

The names did correspond to their months before the Romans added January and February to the start of the year in order to fix their then shambolic calendar.


Yes and decimate once meant to reduce by a tenth

Over time things changed which is why those months no longer correspond to their namesake and that decimate now is synonymous with "to destroy".
 
2020-07-03 4:25:27 AM  

Abacus9: How the fark would I know, I was just correcting someone else's misspelling (again, to screw over hypocrites, not because I care about this shiat.)


Technically, that last period should be placed outside your closing parentheses.
 
2020-07-03 4:25:58 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.

33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

Serious about the way Soviet troops were treated. Not so much about the rest.

I'm getting it.
And, if people don't practice social distancing and wearing of masks and all that other jazz,
C-19 may very well randomly kill one in ten Americans.
AKA decimate us like a Russian officer.

More or less. Not Russian though. Soviet. Different ish entities.

My bad. Yeah.

Also, (self reminder)
USSR fell.

Kinda. Putin is leader for life now apparently. Separate subject. I'll drop it.


Oh wow


So we should use

Pre/ post perestroika
And
Pre/ post Nazi invasion
 
2020-07-03 4:26:08 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.


you were having serious arguments with your school teacher, concerning his/her insistence that "ain't" would never be proper english being truly based in denigrating black culture and reinforcing american systemic racism, when you were only FIVE? huh, i guess that would explain some things...

i personally waited to have those kind of public classroom arguments all the way to third grade. with mrs. sears, a cruel woman who power-tripped by working with 8 year olds every day.
 
2020-07-03 4:26:53 AM  

Abacus9: baron von doodle: CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!

Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.

So you're saying we eat it, turn it to shiat, and shiat it for others? Yes. And that's fine. Languages change. English is probably the worst offender, but it's such a rich language for it (because it's a thief). But it's a good thief because it doesn't take away from the other languages.


I didn't mean turn it to shiat. Umm. Homoginazition is a better term. The world has tons of great cheeses. We have American cheese slices and Velveeta.
 
2020-07-03 4:27:01 AM  

aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.


LOL I was conducting a very high level meeting with two major corporations the guy who was an Exec VP from HP - who reported to Carly Forina  - used the word 6 times.  We all held our breath, emotions and disdain very professionally.  When we broke from the meeting we all just laughed our asses off...... The guy was a tool.  End of the day........Look what happened to HP.  My Company - Cisco, was good to go (At the time)......
 
2020-07-03 4:27:34 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: cman: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Addendum

September - "septem" meaning seventh month

October - octo - eight month

November - novem - ninth month

December - decim - tenth month

No one gets upset about how they represent months that dont correspond to their names. So why do some get their panties in a bunch over decimate?

Oh my God I didn't know about this but I'm loving it it further goes to show that, some, teachers are some dumbf$$ks.
but to be fair it's not them it's their syllabuses that they obey and those syllabuses are made by the school board which is a bunch of people who just happen to have money.

The Romans named those months back when the year started in March. In those days, September WAS the seventh month. Etc.


Oh my God I love numbers
And the superstitions around them

So my birthday is all 7s.
😁😁😁😁
 
2020-07-03 4:28:00 AM  

waxbeans: baron von doodle: Ganon D. Mire: baron von doodle: CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!

Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.

[Fark user image image 850x332]
Don't go looking for logic in language.

Or American food.
[Fark user image image 425x425]

It's so disturbing to learn that this is mostly oil


And very old. 1918.
 
2020-07-03 4:29:03 AM  

Abacus9: baron von doodle: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Don't care about being consistent. Decimate hacks me off because they mean destroy or other synonyms. It originated in laziness and infected the language.

Didn't it come from the Roman practice of, upon losing a battle, the general or whoever was in charge would kill one tenth of his soldiers at random as punishment? Now people think it means to kill all but 10 percent. Weird hill to choose decimation upon.


Wikipedia says I'm right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimat​i​on_(Roman_army)
 
2020-07-03 4:30:25 AM  

pkjun: discussing how it is used in English, and it has been used in English with its current popular meaning for four and a half centuries. Get over it.


Nope.

I'm pretty certain c-19 will determine the United States if Americans don't wear mask and social distance.
 
2020-07-03 4:30:29 AM  

studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.


Verbing weirds language.
 
2020-07-03 4:30:51 AM  
Also......the first time I said that word at age 12 ....My father, a professor at Stanford University, slapped me upside the head and explained how it wasn't a word.  Yes, he physically slapped me upside the head - with force........ best English lesson I ever had.
 
2020-07-03 4:31:36 AM  

Gordon Bennett: cman: Addendum

September - "septem" meaning seventh month

October - octo - eight month

November - novem - ninth month

December - decim - tenth month

No one gets upset about how they represent months that dont correspond to their names. So why do some get their panties in a bunch over decimate?

The names did correspond to their months before the Romans added January and February to the start of the year in order to fix their then shambolic calendar.


Wait a minute that means they should have renamed all the months then that would have made more sense
 
2020-07-03 4:33:37 AM  

Abacus9: Abacus9: baron von doodle: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Don't care about being consistent. Decimate hacks me off because they mean destroy or other synonyms. It originated in laziness and infected the language.

Didn't it come from the Roman practice of, upon losing a battle, the general or whoever was in charge would kill one tenth of his soldiers at random as punishment? Now people think it means to kill all but 10 percent. Weird hill to choose decimation upon.

Wikipedia says I'm right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimati​on_(Roman_army)


Fine, you win. I don't care. You score an intellectual point.

I wasn't here to fight, just..... Fork it, nm. Anything I say will lead to a counter and me countering, etc.

I'm done. Everyone can believe whatever definition they want. I'm out.
 
2020-07-03 4:33:56 AM  

in flagrante: Abacus9: How the fark would I know, I was just correcting someone else's misspelling (again, to screw over hypocrites, not because I care about this shiat.)

Technically, that last period should be placed outside your closing parentheses.


I've never understood that rule to me everything that belongs inside the (belongs inside the) because it's inside the prison seas


For some reason text to voice added those ()()()
 
2020-07-03 4:35:54 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.

I occasionally say disirregardless to fark with people


I use "irregardlessly" for the same reasons.

I think I will expand that to "disirregardlessly" now. Thanks.

Embrace your disirregardlesslynesshood!
 
2020-07-03 4:37:22 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: I understand that, and I never said the usage was "wrong". Only that is was "stupid", which is correct.

I get the distinct feeling you harp on people based on their regional Annunciation of words don't you?


Not at all, on the contrary even. I've said over and over on this site (just the other day in fact) that the purpose of language is to convey meaning; to understand and to be understood. Whatever language you use to this purpose is just fine if it works. However, I will correct grammar nazis if they make a mistake, in order to show their hypocrisy, and I will occasionally point out the stupidity of a word like "inflammable" which could cause confusion because it's not what it sounds like. Otherwise, I don't correct bad grammar, because everyone makes mistakes. "Irregardless" is a stupid word because it's "regardless" works just fine. Maybe not wrong, but still stupid (inefficient). And while I don't go around saying "y'all", I don't correct people for it. There's nothing to correct.
 
2020-07-03 4:38:09 AM  

waxbeans: in flagrante: Abacus9: How the fark would I know, I was just correcting someone else's misspelling (again, to screw over hypocrites, not because I care about this shiat.)

Technically, that last period should be placed outside your closing parentheses.

I've never understood that rule to me everything that belongs inside the (belongs inside the) because it's inside the prison seas


For some reason text to voice added those ()()()


Damn you. I was going to bed. What is the proper punctuation after an emoji or emoticon?
Hi 😁
Hi :D
 
2020-07-03 4:39:12 AM  
I still prefer emoticons. I'm oldish.
 
2020-07-03 4:41:08 AM  

luna1580: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.

you were having serious arguments with your school teacher, concerning his/her insistence that "ain't" would never be proper english being truly based in denigrating black culture and reinforcing american systemic racism, when you were only FIVE? huh, i guess that would explain some things...

i personally waited to have those kind of public classroom arguments all the way to third grade. with mrs. sears, a cruel woman who power-tripped by working with 8 year olds every day.


I wasn't my fault.

Teachers have some kind of authority issue.
Me? I have a issue with flawed information and or lies.
 
2020-07-03 4:42:07 AM  
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2020-07-03 4:42:43 AM  

jefferator: aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.

LOL I was conducting a very high level meeting with two major corporations the guy who was an Exec VP from HP - who reported to Carly Forina  - used the word 6 times.  We all held our breath, emotions and disdain very professionally.  When we broke from the meeting we all just laughed our asses off...... The guy was a tool.  End of the day........Look what happened to HP.  My Company - Cisco, was good to go (At the time)......


Oh my God I so wish I had gotten my Cisco certification
 
2020-07-03 4:44:47 AM  

waxbeans: jefferator: aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.

LOL I was conducting a very high level meeting with two major corporations the guy who was an Exec VP from HP - who reported to Carly Forina  - used the word 6 times.  We all held our breath, emotions and disdain very professionally.  When we broke from the meeting we all just laughed our asses off...... The guy was a tool.  End of the day........Look what happened to HP.  My Company - Cisco, was good to go (At the time)......

Oh my God I so wish I had gotten my Cisco certification


If you can handle COBOL several states would love to hire you to fix their unemployment software issues. Nice talking. Night.
 
2020-07-03 4:45:15 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Ganon D. Mire: baron von doodle: CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!

Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.

[Fark user image image 850x332]
Don't go looking for logic in language.

Or American food.
[Fark user image image 425x425]

It's so disturbing to learn that this is mostly oil

And very old. 1918.


Oh my God it's a health food?
LOL
 
2020-07-03 4:46:00 AM  

waxbeans: I've never understood that rule


Parentheses and periods can be tricky to navigate (but not impossible).

It's about intuitive sentence rhythm, and knowing when something in parentheses should be self-contained and exist on its own.  (Some people might scoff at this, but it's true.)
 
2020-07-03 4:47:22 AM  

Abacus9: Wikipedia says I'm right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimati​on_(Roman_army)


And further down the page
In the Russian Civil War, Leon Trotsky as leader of the Red Army ordered decimation for deserters.[20]
 
2020-07-03 4:49:27 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Snapper Carr: Language evolves as its speakers change.  The word "irregardless" becomes common parlance, linguists are going to take note - eventually it ends up in the dictionary.

This is how language works.

Latin is dead.  It is unchanging.  No one speaks it outside of jargon from a handful of academic fields.

Exactly.

/
To all the teachers who say ain't isn't a word,
You should say yet.
U cu*nts.

Well, who used to.

"Ain't" is a word, and it's in the dictionary, too. None of my English teachers ever said otherwise.

I'm 46.
When I was in school the teachers were 60 years old.
At least to my eyes.
I'm sure that one English teacher was 30 or 40.
But yeah, I'm still thinking about when I was in school.
Grade school.
1979.

Fact of the matter is it was racism.

Qua? Ain't is racist?

I'm talking about when I was in school in 1979.

Fat, white, (and sometimes old)  ladies was very insistent that ain't wasn't a word they got God darn ambivalent about it.
I'm convinced it was racism.

That would have been around Kindergarten, right? They also probably told you that your tongue had only four taste receptors, located on different parts of your tongue. Have you not figured out by now that it was all a lie?

I've been getting that feeling for at least 20 years.

About this and many other things.
the interesting thing is people are still holding on to those lies and being insistent about them.


Thank Xenu for Fark then! Farkers will correct any misconception, even if it's true! (I'm not really a Scientologist). Seriously though, I have learned quite a few things here over the years. Fark is smarter than your average site.
 
2020-07-03 4:50:14 AM  

Abacus9: Not at all, on the contrary even. I've said over and over on this site (just the other day in fact) that the purpose of language is to convey meaning; to understand and to be understood. Whatever language you use to this purpose is just fine if it works. However, I will correct grammar nazis if they make a mistake, in order to show their hypocrisy, and I will occasionally point out the stupidity of a word like "inflammable" which could cause confusion because it's not what it sounds like. Otherwise, I don't correct bad grammar, because everyone makes mistakes. "Irregardless" is a stupid word because it's "regardless" works just fine. Maybe not wrong, but still stupid (inefficient). And while I don't go around saying "y'all", I don't correct people for it. There's nothing to correct.


Cool.
😁
 
2020-07-03 4:50:55 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: in flagrante: Abacus9: How the fark would I know, I was just correcting someone else's misspelling (again, to screw over hypocrites, not because I care about this shiat.)

Technically, that last period should be placed outside your closing parentheses.

I've never understood that rule to me everything that belongs inside the (belongs inside the) because it's inside the prison seas


For some reason text to voice added those ()()()

Damn you. I was going to bed. What is the proper punctuation after an emoji or emoticon?
Hi 😁
Hi :D


Hell if I know
😁😆
 
2020-07-03 4:51:25 AM  

baron von doodle: I still prefer emoticons. I'm oldish.


❤❤
 
2020-07-03 4:52:08 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: jefferator: aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.

LOL I was conducting a very high level meeting with two major corporations the guy who was an Exec VP from HP - who reported to Carly Forina  - used the word 6 times.  We all held our breath, emotions and disdain very professionally.  When we broke from the meeting we all just laughed our asses off...... The guy was a tool.  End of the day........Look what happened to HP.  My Company - Cisco, was good to go (At the time)......

Oh my God I so wish I had gotten my Cisco certification

If you can handle COBOL several states would love to hire you to fix their unemployment software issues. Nice talking. Night.


🌘
 
2020-07-03 4:53:28 AM  

in flagrante: waxbeans: I've never understood that rule

Parentheses and periods can be tricky to navigate (but not impossible).

It's about intuitive sentence rhythm, and knowing when something in parentheses should be self-contained and exist on its own.  (Some people might scoff at this, but it's true.)


FML.

Why didn't I see that?
Now it makes sense.
Okay.
 
2020-07-03 4:54:02 AM  

in flagrante: waxbeans: I've never understood that rule

Parentheses and periods can be tricky to navigate (but not impossible).

It's about intuitive sentence rhythm, and knowing when something in parentheses should be self-contained and exist on its own.  (Some people might scoff at this, but it's true.)


Wait is just like making HTML containers.
 
2020-07-03 4:55:50 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: Also had a hit with "Relish".

Oh my gosh so that means I can say I relish the hell out of relish


What about "Hollandaise Swinging"?
 
2020-07-03 4:55:57 AM  

Abacus9: Thank Xenu for Fark then! Farkers will correct any misconception, even if it's true! (I'm not really a Scientologist). Seriously though, I have learned quite a few things here over the years. Fark is smarter than your average site.


Is that a high bar? 😆
 
2020-07-03 4:57:58 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: Also had a hit with "Relish".

Oh my gosh so that means I can say I relish the hell out of relish

What about "Hollandaise Swinging"?


I don't think so.
 
2020-07-03 5:00:48 AM  

in flagrante: Abacus9: How the fark would I know, I was just correcting someone else's misspelling (again, to screw over hypocrites, not because I care about this shiat.)

Technically, that last period should be placed outside your closing parentheses.


Yes, I know. But more importantly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ​8​9rGPc
 
2020-07-03 5:01:37 AM  
Irregardless is just as good a word as normalcy.  It's a perfectly cromulent word.
 
Al!
2020-07-03 5:03:11 AM  

dkulprit: Can someone please show me the words tree where the words grow naturally and we harvest them to add to the dictionary so they are now officially words?

Words meanings get changed over time.

Words get created all the time irregardless of what you think.

Did you know you Shakespeare personally brought 500 words into the lexicon?  We add words here and there randomly after they have become used so often that they become words, but 1 guy, in his lifetime, brought 500 words into the lexicon.

Critics of this would hate him.  He brought "swagger", "lonely", "hint", and "critic" into the language just by using them in his plays.


Shakespeare can fub off. He stabbed pies with his hundred mark while I sewed dates in the porridge on his sister's table.

/I'm probably not doing this right
 
2020-07-03 5:06:54 AM  

baron von doodle: Abacus9: baron von doodle: CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!

Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.

So you're saying we eat it, turn it to shiat, and shiat it for others? Yes. And that's fine. Languages change. English is probably the worst offender, but it's such a rich language for it (because it's a thief). But it's a good thief because it doesn't take away from the other languages.

I didn't mean turn it to shiat. Umm. Homoginazition is a better term. The world has tons of great cheeses. We have American cheese slices and Velveeta.


I worked in a preclinical research lab. Homogenization meant blending (in an actual blender) dog or sometimes rat feces with water and methanol. Some coworkers had to work with brain or urine. So regardless of either of our intentions, perhaps we can agree that the English is at least some percentage shiat/shiate.
 
2020-07-03 5:12:07 AM  

Abacus9: I worked in a preclinical research lab. Homogenization meant blending (in an actual blender) dog or sometimes rat feces with water and methanol. Some coworkers had to work with brain or urine. So regardless of either of our intentions, perhaps we can agree that the English is at least some percentage shiat/shiate.


Yuk
🤮
 
2020-07-03 5:13:46 AM  

waxbeans: So my birthday is all 7s.


My wife likes to brag that her birthday is all odd numbers. I like to reminder her that the odd only begins there (lovingly of course, I would die/kill for her).
 
2020-07-03 5:14:50 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: So my birthday is all 7s.

My wife likes to brag that her birthday is all odd numbers. I like to reminder her that the odd only begins there (lovingly of course, I would die/kill for her).


😁
 
2020-07-03 5:17:01 AM  

jefferator: Also......the first time I said that word at age 12 ....My father, a professor at Stanford University, slapped me upside the head and explained how it wasn't a word.  Yes, he physically slapped me upside the head - with force........ best English lesson I ever had.


I'm sorry your dad's a dick, I'd offer you a beer, but I don't have any. You ok now?
 
2020-07-03 5:22:20 AM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: i ignore u: Well yeah, for all intensive porpoises.

[i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Chomping at the bit


That'll do your teeth in.
 
2020-07-03 5:23:43 AM  
"Weird Al" Yankovic - Word Crimes
Youtube 8Gv0H-vPoDc
 
2020-07-03 5:25:31 AM  

waxbeans: in flagrante: Abacus9: How the fark would I know, I was just correcting someone else's misspelling (again, to screw over hypocrites, not because I care about this shiat.)

Technically, that last period should be placed outside your closing parentheses.

I've never understood that rule to me everything that belongs inside the (belongs inside the) because it's inside the prison seas


For some reason text to voice added those ()()()


Don't do that.
 
2020-07-03 5:29:54 AM  

baron von doodle: CrazyCurt: What needs to be understood is the English language is "The Borg". It is! It assimilates and changes to the whims and tastes of the era. Kindergarten is a German word but we English speakers know what it is. Mayonnaise? I can't even spell it right w/o spellcheckers and it's as American as Mayonnaise Pie ( seriously I failed twice -- I don't eat it much ). This absurd language gobbles up anything that fits, sounds cool or makes you laugh at the drop of a hat. I think English is the best language there is because it's a bit of every language.

/ We Are The Borg!

Well, yes, American English does the same thing to other languages that we do to food. We steal it, Americanize it and generally ruin the original intention.


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-07-03 5:35:09 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: Wikipedia says I'm right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimati​on_(Roman_army)

And further down the page
In the Russian Civil War, Leon Trotsky as leader of the Red Army ordered decimation for deserters.[20]


Mine is sourced from this: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dec​i​mate
 
2020-07-03 5:40:16 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: Thank Xenu for Fark then! Farkers will correct any misconception, even if it's true! (I'm not really a Scientologist). Seriously though, I have learned quite a few things here over the years. Fark is smarter than your average site.

Is that a high bar? 😆


Higher than your Kindergarten teachers.
 
2020-07-03 5:42:07 AM  

Abacus9: in flagrante: Abacus9: How the fark would I know, I was just correcting someone else's misspelling (again, to screw over hypocrites, not because I care about this shiat.)

Technically, that last period should be placed outside your closing parentheses.

Yes, I know. But more importantly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ8​9rGPc


Damn, meant to post it more like this

WAR - Why Can't We Be Friends
Youtube W5FfJ89rGPc
 
2020-07-03 5:49:32 AM  

CluelessMoron: Natalie Portmanteau: aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.

I occasionally say disirregardless to fark with people

I use "irregardlessly" for the same reasons.

I think I will expand that to "disirregardlessly" now. Thanks.

Embrace your disirregardlesslynesshood!


Disirregardlesslinesshood.

/pet peave
 
2020-07-03 5:53:25 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: Thank Xenu for Fark then! Farkers will correct any misconception, even if it's true! (I'm not really a Scientologist). Seriously though, I have learned quite a few things here over the years. Fark is smarter than your average site.

Is that a high bar? 😆

Higher than your Kindergarten teachers.


Hell yeah
 
2020-07-03 5:57:29 AM  

anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.


That sounds difficult.  I surrender.
 
2020-07-03 5:58:59 AM  
English is a dead language, but English never died.
 
2020-07-03 6:13:24 AM  

cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-07-03 6:15:12 AM  

studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.


this, so very very much this.
 
2020-07-03 6:18:59 AM  

My Sober Alt: English is a dead language, but English never died.


Supposeably...
 
2020-07-03 6:35:37 AM  

brantgoose: It died with Donald Trump, sitting on its head.

I can't breathe. Literalism, see.


You  forgot to take your meds.
 
2020-07-03 6:38:20 AM  
In English Comp II my teacher stopped in middle of grading papers and asked me how I came up with that word. I had a typo in regardless and MSWord gave that as the only correction, "irregardless". I thought it looked odd but went with it. Which became the topic of never trust an auto corrector because it is only as good as the dictionary embedded. He gave an explanation of why that word should not exist along with a few other frequent choices. 🤣
 
2020-07-03 6:40:49 AM  
A language misuse that bothers me is 'peruse' -- I've heard many people use it to mean 'skim' or 'look over lightly' when the dictionary defines it as 'to examine carefully at length.'

The 'literally' problem is alarming to me because we've already lost 'really' in the same way. I don't want to have to say "that wasn't a metaphor" after we lose the battle of 'literally' (that may or may not have been a metaphor).
 
2020-07-03 6:43:16 AM  

CFitzDE: A language misuse that bothers me is 'peruse' -- I've heard many people use it to mean 'skim' or 'look over lightly' when the dictionary defines it as 'to examine carefully at length.'

The 'literally' problem is alarming to me because we've already lost 'really' in the same way. I don't want to have to say "that wasn't a metaphor" after we lose the battle of 'literally' (that may or may not have been a metaphor).


That bothers me as well. How can you literally say literally if it can literally mean figuratively?
 
2020-07-03 6:46:57 AM  

studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.


Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though
 
2020-07-03 6:50:21 AM  

studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.


Verbing weirds language.
 
2020-07-03 6:51:59 AM  

Acidicnads: Now, u b judging! I b intravenously dee live Err..:) ing TRUTH LOLOLOL!!! Sorry you clay genital pottery barns! [(LOLOLO)   farking gen X (LOLOLLOLO) you belong in a museum!!!] & you pathetic menials = blowing cocaine butterfly's up your BUTT (HEHE), but your hemorrhoid ridden assholes are gross! Eww menials!


Needs more emojis.
 
2020-07-03 6:56:58 AM  
Yawl don tok rat.

Git woke.
 
2020-07-03 7:02:51 AM  
How many people spell the wore lose as loose. Two completely different words and meanings. If I see that again I'll loose my mind.
 
2020-07-03 7:07:01 AM  

xebec: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

this, so very very much this.


-1 for double adverbing, sorry.
 
2020-07-03 7:10:02 AM  
How about your lighten the fark up you prescriptivist bastards.
 
2020-07-03 7:10:16 AM  
Wh4t3v3r 1t w4s p4rf3ct3d s0m3t1m3 1n th3 90s
 
2020-07-03 7:10:23 AM  

Smoking GNU: cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.

[Fark user image image 526x409]


Simplified


It is so funny that it says simplified
Fitting.

To all the teachers at Winston Elementary, EABOD
 
2020-07-03 7:14:16 AM  

Marcos P: Wh4t3v3r 1t w4s p4rf3ct3d s0m3t1m3 1n th3 90s


I understood that without slowing down, so I'll allow it.
 
2020-07-03 7:15:31 AM  

turboke: CFitzDE: A language misuse that bothers me is 'peruse' -- I've heard many people use it to mean 'skim' or 'look over lightly' when the dictionary defines it as 'to examine carefully at length.'

The 'literally' problem is alarming to me because we've already lost 'really' in the same way. I don't want to have to say "that wasn't a metaphor" after we lose the battle of 'literally' (that may or may not have been a metaphor).

That bothers me as well. How can you literally say literally if it can literally mean figuratively?


Because it's sarcasm.
Not, that I make a habit of it.
I like saying

I'll literally slap that dudes face.
 
2020-07-03 7:20:13 AM  

Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though


I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.
 
2020-07-03 7:22:23 AM  

thesharkman: How many people spell the wore lose as loose. Two completely different words and meanings. If I see that again I'll loose my mind.


Autocorrect actually does that to me I need to get into the habit of rereading everything to make sure autocorrect hasn't 🦆 me
 
2020-07-03 7:23:24 AM  

Abacus9: Marcos P: Wh4t3v3r 1t w4s p4rf3ct3d s0m3t1m3 1n th3 90s

I understood that without slowing down, so I'll allow it.


h4xx0r!  <('.'<)

';..;' kekekek ';..;'

-_-;; -_-;; -_-;;

^____^
 
2020-07-03 7:24:09 AM  

Marcos P: Wh4t3v3r 1t w4s p4rf3ct3d s0m3t1m3 1n th3 90s


eYe dOnT lIkE tHaT cOuLd rEaD tHaT
 
2020-07-03 7:24:37 AM  

DoughyGuy: When humans were first making words for things, sometimes things or concepts would get discovered that needed new words. So someone would make up a new word for something and everyone eventually agreed upon using it.

Apparently, some people feel we shouldn't do that anymore? Language policing is very odd...


Its also a very Quebec thing

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-07-03 7:27:47 AM  
We jumped the shark when "twerk" was added to the dictionary.
 
2020-07-03 7:30:10 AM  
Dead languages don't change.
 
2020-07-03 7:36:18 AM  

Marcos P: Abacus9: Marcos P: Wh4t3v3r 1t w4s p4rf3ct3d s0m3t1m3 1n th3 90s

I understood that without slowing down, so I'll allow it.

h4xx0r!  <('.'<)

';..;' kekekek ';..;'

-_-;; -_-;; -_-;;

^____^


You want the ke ke ke to take my baby away?
 
2020-07-03 7:37:03 AM  

Smoking GNU: cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.

[Fark user image 526x409]



That's amusing but Americans aren't the ones who decided "Worchester" was pronounced "wooster".
 
2020-07-03 7:37:14 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Written language died when teenagers got smart phones.

My lawn. Off it.


My English teacher back in 1976 would disagree with that.
 
2020-07-03 7:39:59 AM  
it be
 
2020-07-03 7:40:27 AM  

waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.


Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?
 
2020-07-03 7:42:23 AM  

aerojockey: Smoking GNU: cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.

[Fark user image 526x409]


That's amusing but Americans aren't the ones who decided "Worchester" was pronounced "wooster".


I don't think I pronounce that word the same way one single time in my entire life

We sore sur sauce
We sure sa sir sauce
War sore
Wish sir
And on and on
 
2020-07-03 7:43:00 AM  

aerojockey: Smoking GNU: cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.

[Fark user image 526x409]


That's amusing but Americans aren't the ones who decided "Worchester" was pronounced "wooster".


Worcester =/= Worchester. Don't know who decided, but it's correct in American too. Unless you're stupid.
 
2020-07-03 7:46:13 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?


Lived in Lawton Oklahoma for a spell.
Modesto, California.
El Paso, Texas and about 7 other cities in Texass.
I just caught a new word Texass.
Pronounce tex ass.
Oh and Mexico.
 
2020-07-03 7:47:03 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?


Oh my God I love Auburn hills I want to die in Auburn hills Detroit.
 
2020-07-03 7:49:25 AM  
Good. Now maybe people will shut the fark up.
 
2020-07-03 7:53:50 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?

Oh my God I love Auburn hills I want to die in Auburn hills Detroit.


Ok wait what? Auburn Hills isn't in Detroit, and why?
 
2020-07-03 7:54:59 AM  
The farthest south I've lived was Ashland, Ohio, FWIW.
 
2020-07-03 7:58:33 AM  

cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.


🎶 That means you do care
(At least a little)🎶
 
2020-07-03 8:00:48 AM  

GrogSmash: abhorrent1: Irregardless is a perfectly cromulent word to use when conversating.

Sure...  if you want to be beaten upside the head.


User name checks out.
 
2020-07-03 8:01:18 AM  

HawgWild: It's spelled whoa. I'll never accept woah.

DO YOU HEAR ME?! NEVER!


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-07-03 8:03:30 AM  

DoughyGuy: When humans were first making words for things, sometimes things or concepts would get discovered that needed new words. So someone would make up a new word for something and everyone eventually agreed upon using it.

Apparently, some people feel we shouldn't do that anymore? Language policing is very odd...


Except that's not what's happening. Instead, people are taking words with a given meaning and unnecessarily changing the meaning, or taking a word without meaning and giving it the meaning of a word that already exists. It's either reducing the language or making it redundant.
 
2020-07-03 8:06:27 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: DoughyGuy: When humans were first making words for things, sometimes things or concepts would get discovered that needed new words. So someone would make up a new word for something and everyone eventually agreed upon using it.

Apparently, some people feel we shouldn't do that anymore? Language policing is very odd...

Except that's not what's happening. Instead, people are taking words with a given meaning and unnecessarily changing the meaning, or taking a word without meaning and giving it the meaning of a word that already exists. It's either reducing the language or making it redundant.


Irredundant.
 
2020-07-03 8:08:23 AM  
Merriam-Webster is the Daily Mail of dictionaries.
 
2020-07-03 8:08:52 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?

Oh my God I love Auburn hills I want to die in Auburn hills Detroit.

Ok wait what? Auburn Hills isn't in Detroit, and why?


When I went to see Metallica, at the palace in Auburn hills, I loved the hell out of it. The leaves; and the combination of the sun and cold combined to be thid feeling that I described as air conditioning outdoors.
I want to spend my last days there. Oh and Windsor is an amazing cherry on top.
 
2020-07-03 8:09:23 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?

Oh my God I love Auburn hills I want to die in Auburn hills Detroit.

Ok wait what? Auburn Hills isn't in Detroit, and why?

When I went to see Metallica, at the palace in Auburn hills, I loved the hell out of it. The leaves; and the combination of the sun and cold combined to be thid feeling that I described as air conditioning outdoors.
I want to spend my last days there. Oh and Windsor is an amazing cherry on top.


THIS*****
 
2020-07-03 8:23:30 AM  
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2020-07-03 8:29:39 AM  

in flagrante: Spartapuss: Hoisted on it's own petard.

its!

I've personally never heard anyone use the word 'irregardless' when speaking.  In print, the only time I've come across it is in written diatribes bemoaning the collapse of civilization as we know it....usually written by people who are trying very hard to justify those liberal arts degrees.   I honestly think we're ok here.

Clichéd idioms bother me a lot more than mutated single words.  I could live the rest of my life pretty comfortably if I never heard "at the end of the day" again.  You probably all have your own favourites as well.


I noticed that unless someone is discussing something that happens round twilight time, you can remove "at the end of the day" without losing any meaning at all. You also rarely need to add any placeholder words for grammatical correctness. "At the end of the day" lifts cleanly out.
 
2020-07-03 8:31:32 AM  
Alot of words my teacher said ain't real words they were wrong about.
 
2020-07-03 8:33:59 AM  

baron von doodle: If you are making up a word, why not make it funny?


Flabric: the extra fabric you need to cut from a garment you're sewing.

/no charge
 
2020-07-03 8:34:00 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Written language died when teenagers got smart phones.

My lawn. Off it.


Stop your flapping, Daddy'O. That jive ain't flying.
 
2020-07-03 8:39:43 AM  
Cool, maybe thell work on the current, accepted use of an apostrophe to denote a plural, and while there at it, do something about the useless extra spelling's of there and your

Everyone does these thing's these day's after all even if they tell you your going to hell

(also, period's are angry)
 
2020-07-03 8:42:00 AM  

baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Wait.
We can fix decimate.

C-19 may very well decimate the United States of America.

33 mil? Good God I hope not. By the way, decimate is historically important. The officers in the Soviet Union circa WW1 and 2 would shoot 1 in 10 soldiers at random from any unit that deserted. So, keeping that word accurate is historically important. Nya 😝

Serious about the way Soviet troops were treated. Not so much about the rest.


You are gonna have to go back a few thousand years to when the term originated.  ~471ish BC.
 
2020-07-03 8:42:34 AM  

Kriggerel: Cool, maybe thell work on the current, accepted use of an apostrophe to denote a plural, and while there at it, do something about the useless extra spelling's of there and your

Everyone does these thing's these day's after all even if they tell you your going to hell

(also, period's are angry)


We don't need anarchy, buddy boy
 
2020-07-03 8:42:37 AM  

Kriggerel: Cool, maybe thell work on the current, accepted use of an apostrophe to denote a plural, and while there at it, do something about the useless extra spelling's of there and your

Everyone does these thing's these day's after all even if they tell you your going to hell

(also, period's are angry)


u accidenshully hit ur shift key twice
 
2020-07-03 8:47:37 AM  
if you think "irregardless" is redundant and silly french has "au jour d'aujourd'hui" so dont feel too bad
 
2020-07-03 8:49:53 AM  
Noah Webster was full of felgerkarp.
 
2020-07-03 9:08:23 AM  
I silently judge people that say this because a little bit of me dies inside when I hear it. And if you try to explain why it's wrong, they never believe you.
 
2020-07-03 9:09:43 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?

Oh my God I love Auburn hills I want to die in Auburn hills Detroit.

Ok wait what? Auburn Hills isn't in Detroit, and why?

When I went to see Metallica, at the palace in Auburn hills, I loved the hell out of it. The leaves; and the combination of the sun and cold combined to be thid feeling that I described as air conditioning outdoors.
I want to spend my last days there. Oh and Windsor is an amazing cherry on top.


When was this? I saw them there on 12/31/1999 along with Ted Nugent, and (was too late to see Kid Rock or Sevendust - and good! cuz they suck - Kid Rock sux anyway, don't know about the other). It may explain the sun with the outdoor air conditioning (Winter, we call it here). Any why were you in SE Michigan anyway?
 
2020-07-03 9:11:10 AM  

waxbeans: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?

Oh my God I love Auburn hills I want to die in Auburn hills Detroit.

Ok wait what? Auburn Hills isn't in Detroit, and why?

When I went to see Metallica, at the palace in Auburn hills, I loved the hell out of it. The leaves; and the combination of the sun and cold combined to be thid feeling that I described as air conditioning outdoors.
I want to spend my last days there. Oh and Windsor is an amazing cherry on top.

THIS*****


Yeah Windsor's a bit of all right, eh?
 
2020-07-03 9:19:01 AM  

psychosis_inducing: in flagrante: Spartapuss: Hoisted on it's own petard.

its!

I've personally never heard anyone use the word 'irregardless' when speaking.  In print, the only time I've come across it is in written diatribes bemoaning the collapse of civilization as we know it....usually written by people who are trying very hard to justify those liberal arts degrees.   I honestly think we're ok here.

Clichéd idioms bother me a lot more than mutated single words.  I could live the rest of my life pretty comfortably if I never heard "at the end of the day" again.  You probably all have your own favourites as well.

I noticed that unless someone is discussing something that happens round twilight time, you can remove "at the end of the day" without losing any meaning at all. You also rarely need to add any placeholder words for grammatical correctness. "At the end of the day" lifts cleanly out.


Incorrect. Much of it comes from religion, in the form of Jewish people ending their day at sunset. Like it or not, that has ingrained itself into American culture via the Christian religion, which is somewhat related. Phrases like "don't let the sun set upon your anger" are examples of this. Maybe educate yourself before speaking next time.
 
2020-07-03 9:22:39 AM  

Kriggerel: Cool, maybe thell work on the current, accepted use of an apostrophe to denote a plural, and while there at it, do something about the useless extra spelling's of there and your

Everyone does these thing's these day's after all even if they tell you your going to hell

(also, period's are angry)


Stopped reading after "thell", it was giving me a headache.
 
2020-07-03 9:25:13 AM  

Biohazard Banana Suit: if you think "irregardless" is redundant and silly french has "au jour d'aujourd'hui" so dont feel too bad


Hey I like my soup the way I like it, man!
 
2020-07-03 9:27:29 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?

Oh my God I love Auburn hills I want to die in Auburn hills Detroit.

Ok wait what? Auburn Hills isn't in Detroit, and why?

When I went to see Metallica, at the palace in Auburn hills, I loved the hell out of it. The leaves; and the combination of the sun and cold combined to be thid feeling that I described as air conditioning outdoors.
I want to spend my last days there. Oh and Windsor is an amazing cherry on top.

When was this? I saw them there on 12/31/1999 along with Ted Nugent, and (was too late to see Kid Rock or Sevendust - and good! cuz they suck - Kid Rock sux anyway, don't know about the other). It may explain the sun with the outdoor air conditioning (Winter, we call it here). Any why were you in SE Michigan anyway?


OCTOBER 1, 2004, God Smack. Opened.
Always wanted, still want to, fallow Metallica across America. Only managed 3 shows over 14 months.

When I hear winter I think uncomfortable cold.
Not air conditioning, with a warm beam of sun on my face. Did a elk/mousse hunt in Colorado during winter. That was uncomfortable. And not air conditioning. That was cold.
 
2020-07-03 9:29:26 AM  

Abacus9: waxbeans: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?

Oh my God I love Auburn hills I want to die in Auburn hills Detroit.

Ok wait what? Auburn Hills isn't in Detroit, and why?

When I went to see Metallica, at the palace in Auburn hills, I loved the hell out of it. The leaves; and the combination of the sun and cold combined to be thid feeling that I described as air conditioning outdoors.
I want to spend my last days there. Oh and Windsor is an amazing cherry on top.

THIS*****

Yeah Windsor's a bit of all right, eh?


It was so cool. With the exchange rate, it was like going to Mexico but much more clean.
And I was able to buy a Cuban cigar.
 
2020-07-03 9:32:31 AM  
Dfuq.
 
2020-07-03 9:33:43 AM  

olderbudnoweiser: Dfuq.


Don't be coming in here with that hijinks
 
2020-07-03 9:36:17 AM  

anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.


Wala!
/s
 
2020-07-03 9:37:35 AM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Mæg ic be me sylfum
soðgied wrecan
siþas secgan,
hu ic geswincdagumed
earfoðhwile
oft þrowade
abitre breostceare
gebiden hæbbe,
gecunnad in ceole


I can about myself a true story reckon.
Something about a journey of hardship and suffering and sorrow ... in a "keel" (which I assume is a poetic way to say, 'ship' )

'
 
2020-07-03 9:45:41 AM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Mæg ic be me sylfum
soðgied wrecan
siþas secgan,
hu ic geswincdagumed
earfoðhwile
oft þrowade
abitre breostceare
gebiden hæbbe,
gecunnad in ceole


Even early modern English is hard to read.
 
2020-07-03 9:45:52 AM  
Just like saying "Here's a free gift" - if it's free then it's a .... oh, crap. Never mind.
 
2020-07-03 9:48:45 AM  
English died the moment we accepted the Latin alphabet.
 
2020-07-03 9:55:38 AM  

Biohazard Banana Suit: if you think "irregardless" is redundant and silly french has "au jour d'aujourd'hui" so dont feel too bad


Belgian Dutch has "dagdagelijks" (day-daily) which I hate with a passion. We don't do that reduplication for weekly or monthly, and as far as I know it isn't used in the Netherlands either.
 
2020-07-03 9:55:55 AM  

waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Abacus9: waxbeans: Resident Muslim: studebaker hoch: The verbing of nouns.

Sorry, I was mouthing your words, and they floored me.
I'm just helping you in painting the larger picture.

/I have enough issues with people blending words; mansplaining, moobs, etc
//though brunch has become mainstream
///don't brunch myself, though

I never really, really, understood what mansplaining was/is?

But,
The movie I Love You, Daddy

Was/is on YouTube.
And there this sense where CK is explaining something to his daughter. And a massive light bulb was going off. And, I was OMFG this scumbag is mansplaining.

Serious question, have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? Curious, you said you're from Texas, I'm from Michigan, and we couldn't live in more different worlds. Just seeing what the common ground is, you know?

Oh my God I love Auburn hills I want to die in Auburn hills Detroit.

Ok wait what? Auburn Hills isn't in Detroit, and why?

When I went to see Metallica, at the palace in Auburn hills, I loved the hell out of it. The leaves; and the combination of the sun and cold combined to be thid feeling that I described as air conditioning outdoors.
I want to spend my last days there. Oh and Windsor is an amazing cherry on top.

When was this? I saw them there on 12/31/1999 along with Ted Nugent, and (was too late to see Kid Rock or Sevendust - and good! cuz they suck - Kid Rock sux anyway, don't know about the other). It may explain the sun with the outdoor air conditioning (Winter, we call it here). Any why were you in SE Michigan anyway?

OCTOBER 1, 2004, God Smack. Opened.
Always wanted, still want to, fallow Metallica across America. Only managed 3 shows over 14 months.

When I hear winter I think uncomfortable cold.
Not air conditioning, with a warm beam of sun on my face. Did a elk/mousse hunt in Colorado during winter. That was uncomfortable. And not air conditioning. That was cold.


You can always dress warmer. My air conditioner broke in my apartment in 2010 and the thermostat said it was over 120 degrees (that was the far end of the needle, so it could have been hotter), and I'm not sure the damn thing was calibrated properly in the first place, and it was old. But I felt like I was dying, took a quick cold shower every half hour, and drank lots of beer to keep myself cool. Of course, the fridge busted, so I had to then freeze it.
 
2020-07-03 9:58:52 AM  

Graffito: Dewey Fidalgo: Mæg ic be me sylfum
soðgied wrecan
siþas secgan,
hu ic geswincdagumed
earfoðhwile
oft þrowade
abitre breostceare
gebiden hæbbe,
gecunnad in ceole

I can about myself a true story reckon.
Something about a journey of hardship and suffering and sorrow ... in a "keel" (which I assume is a poetic way to say, 'ship' )

'


Why does this remind me of Galavant? I miss that show!
 
2020-07-03 10:06:29 AM  
English died the first time somebody said pre-programmed and nobody killed him.

/ you can't farking post-program, asshole.
 
2020-07-03 10:13:03 AM  

Abacus9: You can always dress warmer. My air conditioner broke in my apartment in 2010 and the thermostat said it was over 120 degrees (that was the far end of the needle, so it could have been hotter), and I'm not sure the damn thing was calibrated properly in the first place, and it was old. But I felt like I was dying, took a quick cold shower every half hour, and drank lots of beer to keep myself cool. Of course, the fridge busted, so I had to then freeze it.


For sure.
Texas here.
Can't take off more clothes once you naked.
I keep the AC at 75
 
2020-07-03 10:13:35 AM  

Abacus9: Graffito: Dewey Fidalgo: Mæg ic be me sylfum
soðgied wrecan
siþas secgan,
hu ic geswincdagumed
earfoðhwile
oft þrowade
abitre breostceare
gebiden hæbbe,
gecunnad in ceole

I can about myself a true story reckon.
Something about a journey of hardship and suffering and sorrow ... in a "keel" (which I assume is a poetic way to say, 'ship' )

'

Why does this remind me of Galavant? I miss that show!


I like the cut of your jib
 
2020-07-03 10:31:28 AM  
Irregardless is a perfectly good word.  It means: "This idiot means regardless"   See?  Now you know the person speaking is an idiot and no further listening is required.
 
2020-07-03 10:49:33 AM  
The most pedantic thread ever!!  Eleventy!!!

/But funny.
 
2020-07-03 10:52:49 AM  

jefferator: aerojockey: I can't think of a single time I've ever heard someone say "irregardless" non-ironically.

LOL I was conducting a very high level meeting with two major corporations the guy who was an Exec VP from HP - who reported to Carly Forina  - used the word 6 times.  We all held our breath, emotions and disdain very professionally.  When we broke from the meeting we all just laughed our asses off...... The guy was a tool.  End of the day........Look what happened to HP.  My Company - Cisco, was good to go (At the time)......


I relate.

While taking a graduate level class to earn my MA in English, one of my very accomplished professors routinely said irregardless. It grated on the nerves of all of us, until someone wrote that on the whiteboard and crossed out the the first two letters before class started. Our laughter was short-lived. The professor walked in and erased the board without even reading it.
 
2020-07-03 10:54:01 AM  

cman: cman: baron von doodle: waxbeans: baron von doodle: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: waxbeans: anfrind: The English dictionary does not make the rules, it merely describes how the language is used.  If you would rather use a language where the rules are defined by a central authority, you can switch to French.

This

Not entirely. Editors of English language dictionaries spend a great deal of time determining the proper balance between description (identifying and defining words as they are used) and proscription (setting the rules for proper definitions and usage). You're right that there is no central language authority like the French Academy, but you can't have a functional language if the lexicon is a complete free-for-all.

You are correct, but I think that they are taking "common usage" too far. I mean, words have to have meanings or what I just typed is only inteligible to myself. A chair should always be a chair.

No.
Usage determines meaning.
What exactly about that are you incapable of understanding?

I'm still pissed off about the news media fracking up the meaning of decimate. Personal grudge. Beyond that, I don't really care.

Do you care that December is used as the 12th month and not the 10th?

If your gonna get upset about decimate you might as well be consistent.

Addendum

September - "septem" meaning seventh month

October - octo - eight month

November - novem - ninth month

December - decim - tenth month

No one gets upset about how they represent months that dont correspond to their names. So why do some get their panties in a bunch over decimate?


I think the HoE podcast covered this in one of the early episodes.
 
2020-07-03 10:54:42 AM  

Abacus9: psychosis_inducing: in flagrante: Spartapuss: Hoisted on it's own petard.

its!

I've personally never heard anyone use the word 'irregardless' when speaking.  In print, the only time I've come across it is in written diatribes bemoaning the collapse of civilization as we know it....usually written by people who are trying very hard to justify those liberal arts degrees.   I honestly think we're ok here.

Clichéd idioms bother me a lot more than mutated single words.  I could live the rest of my life pretty comfortably if I never heard "at the end of the day" again.  You probably all have your own favourites as well.

I noticed that unless someone is discussing something that happens round twilight time, you can remove "at the end of the day" without losing any meaning at all. You also rarely need to add any placeholder words for grammatical correctness. "At the end of the day" lifts cleanly out.

Incorrect. Much of it comes from religion, in the form of Jewish people ending their day at sunset. Like it or not, that has ingrained itself into American culture via the Christian religion, which is somewhat related. Phrases like "don't let the sun set upon your anger" are examples of this. Maybe educate yourself before speaking next time.


Spoken like someone who hasn't paid attention in a meeting or a class lecture in a long time.

"At the end of the day, we need someone to volunteer to type all these notes so we can file them."
"Yeah, I would love to try your idea but at the end of the day, you have to get it approved first."
"People love to try to save money, but at the end of the day you must consider quality versus price."
"You can try shortcuts to avoid solving this system of equations, but at the end of the day you're going to need to do the math in order to move on to the next step."
"I know housecleaning sucks, but at the end of the day we need to do it or else we will live in filth."
"You may think you smell fine, but at the end of the day if you don't shower before work people will notice."

"At the end of the day, we need someone to volunteer to type all these notes so we can file them."
"Yeah, I would love to try your idea but at the end of the day, you have to get it approved first."
"People love to try to save money, but at the end of the day you must consider quality versus price."
"You can try shortcuts to avoid solving this system of equations, but at the end of the day you're going to need to do the math in order to move on to the next step."
"I know housecleaning sucks, but at the end of the day we need to do it or else we will live in filth."
"You may think you smell fine, but at the end of the day if you don't shower before work people will notice."

Don't worry, you're still very smart. Someday you might learn how phrases sometimes lose their meaning over time and become meaningless filler.
 
2020-07-03 10:57:09 AM  

psychosis_inducing: Abacus9: psychosis_inducing: in flagrante: Spartapuss: Hoisted on it's own petard.

its!

I've personally never heard anyone use the word 'irregardless' when speaking.  In print, the only time I've come across it is in written diatribes bemoaning the collapse of civilization as we know it....usually written by people who are trying very hard to justify those liberal arts degrees.   I honestly think we're ok here.

Clichéd idioms bother me a lot more than mutated single words.  I could live the rest of my life pretty comfortably if I never heard "at the end of the day" again.  You probably all have your own favourites as well.

I noticed that unless someone is discussing something that happens round twilight time, you can remove "at the end of the day" without losing any meaning at all. You also rarely need to add any placeholder words for grammatical correctness. "At the end of the day" lifts cleanly out.

Incorrect. Much of it comes from religion, in the form of Jewish people ending their day at sunset. Like it or not, that has ingrained itself into American culture via the Christian religion, which is somewhat related. Phrases like "don't let the sun set upon your anger" are examples of this. Maybe educate yourself before speaking next time.

Spoken like someone who hasn't paid attention in a meeting or a class lecture in a long time.

"At the end of the day, we need someone to volunteer to type all these notes so we can file them."
"Yeah, I would love to try your idea but at the end of the day, you have to get it approved first."
"People love to try to save money, but at the end of the day you must consider quality versus price."
"You can try shortcuts to avoid solving this system of equations, but at the end of the day you're going to need to do the math in order to move on to the next step."
"I know housecleaning sucks, but at the end of the day we need to do it or else we will live in filth."
"You may think you smell fine, but at the end of the day if you don't shower before work people will notice."

"At the end of the day, we need someone to volunteer to type all these notes so we can file them."
"Yeah, I would love to try your idea but at the end of the day, you have to get it approved first."
"People love to try to save money, but at the end of the day you must consider quality versus price."
"You can try shortcuts to avoid solving this system of equations, but at the end of the day you're going to need to do the math in order to move on to the next step."
"I know housecleaning sucks, but at the end of the day we need to do it or else we will live in filth."
"You may think you smell fine, but at the end of the day if you don't shower before work people will notice."

Don't worry, you're still very smart. Someday you might learn how phrases sometimes lose their meaning over time and become meaningless filler.


Snap.
I'm not say ATEOTD again.
Wow.
 
2020-07-03 10:58:44 AM  

cman: The word "smart" originally meant "pain".


It is still used for "hurt".

"Ouch, that smarts."
"That's got to smart."
 
2020-07-03 11:06:58 AM  
If they're going to accept irregardless, they should also accept the new term:
"moronify: v. 1) To make moronic. 2) To normalize moronic behavior. See also: dumb down."

Language is used to convey information and emotion. "Regardless" is very clear. Adding "ir", a negation prefix (ir-regular, ir-relevant), does what - intensify? Negate?

Changing language to make information-conveyal clearer, to represent new concepts and constructions, is an improvement. Adding it to normalize an error is moronification.
 
2020-07-03 11:08:30 AM  

JungleBoogie: If they're going to accept irregardless, they should also accept the new term:
"moronify: v. 1) To make moronic. 2) To normalize moronic behavior. See also: dumb down."

Language is used to convey information and emotion. "Regardless" is very clear. Adding "ir", a negation prefix (ir-regular, ir-relevant), does what - intensify? Negate?

Changing language to make information-conveyal clearer, to represent new concepts and constructions, is an improvement. Adding it to normalize an error is moronification.


Epic.
 
2020-07-03 11:12:12 AM  

Ker_Thwap: ecmoRandomNumbers: Written language died when teenagers got smart phones.

My lawn. Off it.

My English teacher back in 1976 would disagree with that.


You mean "Worcester".
 
2020-07-03 11:15:14 AM  
Don't get me started on chaise lounge.
 
2020-07-03 11:37:15 AM  
How English sounds to non-English speakers
Youtube Vt4Dfa4fOEY
 
2020-07-03 11:41:56 AM  

LordOfThePings: [YouTube video: How English sounds to non-English speakers]


Get out of my head.

I've always wanted to know this
 
2020-07-03 11:50:44 AM  
8 yrs of high school for nothing.
 
2020-07-03 11:51:45 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: irregardless: Lacking of an eerie guard.
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In Boston it means lack of an eerie god.
 
2020-07-03 12:33:13 PM  

HawgWild: It's spelled whoa. I'll never accept woah.

DO YOU HEAR ME?! NEVER!


Okay, Woah Nebster.

/wtf
 
2020-07-03 1:19:16 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Mæg ic be me sylfum
soðgied wrecan
siþas secgan,
hu ic geswincdagumed
earfoðhwile
oft þrowade
abitre breostceare
gebiden hæbbe,
gecunnad in ceole


Google translate has failed me.
 
2020-07-03 1:34:27 PM  
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2020-07-03 3:10:44 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Dewey Fidalgo: Mæg ic be me sylfum
soðgied wrecan
siþas secgan,
hu ic geswincdagumed
earfoðhwile
oft þrowade
abitre breostceare
gebiden hæbbe,
gecunnad in ceole

Beowulf? My senior English teacher made us memorize portions of Beowulf in Old English. I have no idea why. She was a total asshole. To me, it was Greek being spoken by sadistic Germans.

But I repeat myself.


The Seafarer.   I love the kenning "whale-road" from the poem, meaning the sea.  Also, from Beowulf, the sea is called the swan-road.  I think that's Beowulf.
 
2020-07-03 3:11:40 PM  

cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.


My mom was the hotel operator for the famous Chateau Frontenac in Quebec City.  At least once a day someone would ask her "Do you speak American?"
 
2020-07-03 3:12:21 PM  

GardenWeasel: cman: The word "smart" originally meant "pain".

It is still used for "hurt".

"Ouch, that smarts."
"That's got to smart."


I smarted your post.

Because it seemed like the right thing to do.
 
2020-07-03 3:13:53 PM  

RedVentrue: HawgWild: It's spelled whoa. I'll never accept woah.

DO YOU HEAR ME?! NEVER!

woah is a horse command.


One of my dad's favourite jokes:

Why do the stop signs in Quebec say "WWT"?

"Woah!  Woah! Tabernac!"
 
2020-07-03 3:16:37 PM  

mrshowrules: cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.

My mom was the hotel operator for the famous Chateau Frontenac in Quebec City.  At least once a day someone would ask her "Do you speak American?"


Please tell me she'd answer "No, but I do speak Canadian".
 
2020-07-03 3:16:43 PM  
"nonplussed" is supposed to mean "surprised of shocked" or roughly that.   However, so many people used it in completely the wrong way.  They used it as meaning not surprised or not shocked.

Anyways, some dictionaries are actually accepting the misuse as a valid definition variant.  That's not right.
 
2020-07-03 3:17:44 PM  

CluelessMoron: mrshowrules: cman: I could care less (yes, that was intentional) what others feel about English

I speak American, so fark y'all.

My mom was the hotel operator for the famous Chateau Frontenac in Quebec City.  At least once a day someone would ask her "Do you speak American?"

Please tell me she'd answer "No, but I do speak Canadian".


She answered "No, but I speak English." but that would have been funnier.
 
2020-07-03 6:17:22 PM  

i ignore u: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: i ignore u: Well yeah, for all intensive porpoises.

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Chomping at the bit

That'll do your teeth in.


Ball headed.
Touting your own horn.
Cutting off your nose, despite your face.
 
2020-07-03 6:18:34 PM  

stuffy: 8 yrs of high school for nothing.


You got laid, didn't you?
 
2020-07-03 9:40:03 PM  

studebaker hoch: stuffy: 8 yrs of high school for nothing.

You got laid, didn't you?


The last 4 years were legally nebulous, though, I think.
 
2020-07-04 4:56:46 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: studebaker hoch: stuffy: 8 yrs of high school for nothing.

You got laid, didn't you?

The last 4 years were legally nebulous, though, I think.


That's beside the point.
 
2020-07-04 2:11:26 PM  
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