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2020-07-02 6:03:25 PM  
This is seriously farked up.
 
2020-07-02 6:08:21 PM  

ginandbacon: This is seriously farked up.


Well, it IS Florida.

/I've been lucky, no one cares about me taking care of the kids during work.
//Not that I'm in Florida
///Or would care if they cared
 
2020-07-02 6:13:44 PM  
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2020-07-02 6:24:28 PM  
When lockdown first started, my college (in a hotspot that is finally leveling out) tried to tell all staff and faculty that, despite shutting down and sending students home, we were all still required to report every day to our offices to conduct our classes via Zoom.  We were also told that, despite all local schools shutting down, our children were absolutely forbidden from campus so as to "protect our campus community."

I have tenure.

I really enjoyed sending a very delightful 'go fark yourself' note to my dean, who was just as unhappy and sent her own note to the provost. One of the old guys in my department (cancer survivor) sent a letter asking which admins his wife should sue first when he dies of covid.

We all worked from home, and no one ever said squat about it.
 
2020-07-02 6:43:08 PM  
My university is doing the same thing but nobody wants to put anything in actual writing, so all the directives are vague at best. My boss more or less got the department to extend all current WFH agreements as it made little sense refiling all the paperwork over again for a situation that will likely result in another lockdown
 
2020-07-02 6:50:55 PM  
There is a real easy solution to this, not that it will happen, but it should.

Everybody just quit en masse and send the e-mails at the same time. Bomb the system. I would suggest five days before the start of the fall semester or whatever timetable they are on. That gives them just enough time, but not to much time, to respond and back down but not enough time to coordinate a real plan.

No profs or staff. No university.
It wouldn't even need to be everybody. 25% in key areas would be enough to throw things into chaos.

The Uni is unnamed but it is in Florida.  If the coaching staff of the football team quits or the top players file an intent to transfer, that will get some attention.

When a company wants to play hard ball, solidarity is key.  That is why they go after unions (formal or informal).
It is the only real threat.
This has changed in the digital age, but it boils down to the ability to turn a profit and branding.

It's the cogs that run the machine.  It is the machine that drives the cogs.
The machine must bear it's share of the pain if we are to survive.
Give us grease or risk engine failure.
 
2020-07-02 9:56:45 PM  

Megathuma: When lockdown first started, my college (in a hotspot that is finally leveling out) tried to tell all staff and faculty that, despite shutting down and sending students home, we were all still required to report every day to our offices to conduct our classes via Zoom.  We were also told that, despite all local schools shutting down, our children were absolutely forbidden from campus so as to "protect our campus community."

I have tenure.

I really enjoyed sending a very delightful 'go fark yourself' note to my dean, who was just as unhappy and sent her own note to the provost. One of the old guys in my department (cancer survivor) sent a letter asking which admins his wife should sue first when he dies of covid.

We all worked from home, and no one ever said squat about it.


I'm an adjunct in a prison. When the governor shut everything thing down, I was told I was an essential employee and I was required to show up. Then, they tried to tell me I could teach 35 guys safely with in a room that barely hold 25 with not safety precautions. When I didn't show up, they threatened me with never teaching for them again.

About a week ago, they called me to let me know that they are having a difficult time filling positions and would like to know if I would come back. Ummmmm. Nope. The prison is a freaking hot spot and I do not want to be in there.
 
2020-07-02 11:06:53 PM  
Good luck with that.
 
2020-07-02 11:41:41 PM  
<headdesk.gif>

I swear, there are things that haven't gone totally smoothly at my college but honestly, pretty much everyone in the administration really is trying to figure out how to do this as safely as possible.  We're letting faculty who need to stay home stay home and teach, shutting down small classrooms and spending a fortune to convert larger spaces, changing hours to spread out meal times, moving classes around to avoid peak times, moving as much stuff as can be online, etc, etc

Yeah, it's going to be a pain that I'm going to lose one of my employees who needs to be on campus for her job for the entire semester since she's pregnant and has gotten guidance to stay away from students.  But I'd rather keep her healthy and suck up the extra work than have something horrible happen, and my boss won't blink an eye about it.  Hell, he'd take me aside and counsel me if I *didn't*

Who the hell are these morons?  (FSU and a bunch of prior posters)
 
2020-07-02 11:58:55 PM  

blender61: There is a real easy solution to this, not that it will happen, but it should.

Everybody just quit en masse and send the e-mails at the same time. Bomb the system. I would suggest five days before the start of the fall semester or whatever timetable they are on. That gives them just enough time, but not to much time, to respond and back down but not enough time to coordinate a real plan.

No profs or staff. No university.
It wouldn't even need to be everybody. 25% in key areas would be enough to throw things into chaos.

The Uni is unnamed but it is in Florida.  If the coaching staff of the football team quits or the top players file an intent to transfer, that will get some attention.

When a company wants to play hard ball, solidarity is key.  That is why they go after unions (formal or informal).
It is the only real threat.
This has changed in the digital age, but it boils down to the ability to turn a profit and branding.

It's the cogs that run the machine.  It is the machine that drives the cogs.
The machine must bear it's share of the pain if we are to survive.
Give us grease or risk engine failure.


There should be a term for when everyone in a workforce stops at the same time with the goal of creating enough discomfort that management acquiesces and gives in to some or all of their demands.
 
2020-07-03 12:00:16 AM  
I'm also a tenured college professor and was in a Zoom meeting this week and this case came up. One of the faculty members asked the provost whether faculty working at home had to arrange for childcare.  Thankfully, the provost rolled her eyes and shook her head with a "we're not that stupid" look on her face.
 
2020-07-03 12:00:48 AM  

notmyjab: [Fark user image 447x640]


you mean: he inherited Obama's economy and managed to only slow it down at first instead of completely derailing it:

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2020-07-03 12:01:13 AM  
If Fark had a GFY tag then all tags would be GFY.
 
2020-07-03 12:07:23 AM  
LOL
Tell me again, how, capitalism isn't slavery.
Bosses are the masters.
Fear of no money is the whip.
And being able to become a boss doesn't change the realities.
 
2020-07-03 12:09:31 AM  

ginandbacon: This is seriously farked up.


That's situation normal for higher education.
 
2020-07-03 12:11:31 AM  
I mean, who would actually know?
 
2020-07-03 12:13:44 AM  
GFY GFY GFY GFY GFY GFY GFY'..........​...........
Rubs GO F#*K yourselves. $$$$$$&&&&&&&&&&
Is all you care about.................................​...............
If you don't go ta jail, it must be okay......................
Burn in HELL!!!
 
2020-07-03 12:13:48 AM  

edmo: Good luck with that.


I came here to say that. How do they expect to police it, video surveillance?
 
2020-07-03 12:14:56 AM  

ginandbacon: This is seriously farked up.


Anytime people tell you that universities are seething hotbeds of liberalism and egalitarian hippie attitudes, it's blindingly obvious that they've never worked for one or even known anyone who has..

They are fascist oligarchies of the most petty kind, run by elderly assholes and people with axes to grind.
 
2020-07-03 12:23:28 AM  

notmyjab: [Fark user image 447x640]


What'd he do that was so helpful to the Russians?
 
2020-07-03 12:29:08 AM  
Where is Mary Poppins when you need her?

Oh, yeah. She works in sales AND STILL DOES MAGICAL SH*T WITH 8 DIFFERENT KIDS.
 
2020-07-03 12:40:35 AM  
See now I'd pay up to see some hot teacher breastfeed on zoom.
 
2020-07-03 12:42:48 AM  
My work has a similar policy, but they are being hella flexible on the hours, so my wife works 7am - 1pm and then I work 1pm - late, and whatever we don't finish during the week can be made up on the weekends.  It's draining as all get out, but there is no other way.
 
2020-07-03 12:43:34 AM  

blender61: The Uni is unnamed but it is in Florida.  If the coaching staff of the football team quits or the top players file an intent to transfer, that will get some attention.


It's not unnamed. It's Florida State.

And given their coach's reaction to George Floyd's killing, I'm pretty sure his staff all believes COVID-19 is a liberal hoax anyway.
 
2020-07-03 12:43:37 AM  
You're the one who chose to have kids, deal with it.
 
2020-07-03 12:49:49 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: You're the one who chose to have kids, deal with it.


Yes, that does seem to be the attitude of the asshole university.
 
2020-07-03 12:55:59 AM  

blender61: There is a real easy solution to this, not that it will happen, but it should.

Everybody just quit en masse and send the e-mails at the same time. Bomb the system. I would suggest five days before the start of the fall semester or whatever timetable they are on. That gives them just enough time, but not to much time, to respond and back down but not enough time to coordinate a real plan.

No profs or staff. No university.
It wouldn't even need to be everybody. 25% in key areas would be enough to throw things into chaos.

The Uni is unnamed but it is in Florida.  If the coaching staff of the football team quits or the top players file an intent to transfer, that will get some attention.

When a company wants to play hard ball, solidarity is key.  That is why they go after unions (formal or informal).
It is the only real threat.
This has changed in the digital age, but it boils down to the ability to turn a profit and branding.

It's the cogs that run the machine.  It is the machine that drives the cogs.
The machine must bear it's share of the pain if we are to survive.
Give us grease or risk engine failure.


it's not "unnamed" -it's FSU.

i somehow feel you understand this situation as well as you understood that. perhaps some sort of strike would work in normal times, but the fact that FSU is planning a normal on-campus opening in august, in FL during COVID, shows they are not making reality-based decisions right now. i'm pretty sure they still see non-tenured staff as disposable and easy to replace. which doesn't give said staff much power other than exposing bad actions and social media shaming. which is happening now, hence this thread. employees are replaceable in america, but a tarnished public image can tank an organization..
 
2020-07-03 1:00:01 AM  
Um... that's pretty much the choice in America: work OR raise your kids. Generally speaking, it's not "both" as much as those who see their children about 2 hours of the day claim it is.
 
2020-07-03 1:01:54 AM  
At least they're honest. Beats "family first...what do you mean you can't make the 9:00-2:00 bid defense tomorrow that you just found out about today?"
 
2020-07-03 1:05:20 AM  
So....   um yeah.. this will be roundly ignored by everybody and whom ever issued it should be run out of town on a rail.
 
2020-07-03 1:07:08 AM  

puffy999: Um... that's pretty much the choice in America: work OR raise your kids. Generally speaking, it's not "both" as much as those who see their children about 2 hours of the day claim it is.


Two hours. That would have been nice.
My mom worked 16 hours a day for weeks at a time.
One time she worked 24 hours straight.
Most of my life she was asleep or leaving for work

F++k this.
 
2020-07-03 1:14:15 AM  

Steakzilla: notmyjab: [Fark user image 447x640]

What'd he do that was so helpful to the Russians?


Disrupted America.
 
2020-07-03 1:16:33 AM  

RedVentrue: See now I'd pay up to see some hot teacher breastfeed on zoom.


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2020-07-03 1:17:49 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: You're the one who chose to have kids, deal with it.


This will disproportionately affect women.  That's f*cked up.
 
2020-07-03 1:20:18 AM  
My gut is often wrong, but given the general inanity of that policy while Florida is doing its damnedest to LARP Plague Inc, I think this would be a safe time to poke a few other staff members to poke a few other staff members and collaborate on a firm and public "fark you." My guess is they'll backpedal so hard they'll send out a follow-up email that addresses H1N1 concerns.
 
2020-07-03 1:28:38 AM  
Just hire nannies and tutors duhh... what? You can not afford that? Well it was your choice to be poor.

/s but only a little. The ruling class isn't affected by lack of affordable childcare
 
2020-07-03 1:29:58 AM  

TheDirtyNacho: Just hire nannies and tutors duhh... what? You can not afford that? Well it was your choice to be poor.

/s but only a little. The ruling class isn't affected by lack of affordable childcare


Just buy more money.
 
2020-07-03 1:30:57 AM  
Find the F@ckwit that wrote that memo, find the things they love most in life and permanently damage them beyond the point of repair and tell then to go get f@cked

Or just organize a strike at a critical moment like an earlier poster said.
 
2020-07-03 1:33:48 AM  

waxbeans: puffy999: Um... that's pretty much the choice in America: work OR raise your kids. Generally speaking, it's not "both" as much as those who see their children about 2 hours of the day claim it is.

Two hours. That would have been nice.
My mom worked 16 hours a day for weeks at a time.
One time she worked 24 hours straight.
Most of my life she was asleep or leaving for work

F++k this.


I kinda wish I grew up with a reason my parents ignored me, tbf. Can't even use the "they were busy" excuse. They were just assholes.
 
2020-07-03 1:33:51 AM  

TheDirtyNacho: Just hire nannies and tutors duhh... what? You can not afford that? Well it was your choice to be poor.

/s but only a little. The ruling class isn't affected by lack of affordable childcare


About 15 years ago there was a row at Stanford about whether families of student employees (teaching and research assistants) should be eligible for health insurance through the university.  Stanford's response was basically: "Apply for medicaid.  We know you're eligible because we know how little you're paid."
 
2020-07-03 1:50:57 AM  
This is the kind of dumb ass shiat you get when people forget what the point of work is and consider it just paying for a person to be "at work" for eight hours. People waste so much time in offices not getting anything measurable done, but they're there physically so that's all that matters.

The first thing you have to do when managing a remote workforce is consider what it is you are trying to do. The next thing is figure out when it needs to be done by. If it gets done on time, who the fark cares how it got done or what else the staff was also doing. If things don't get done on time, talk to your workers about their performance. Your staff are adults; treat them like it.

/ Working from home for years.
 
2020-07-03 1:54:42 AM  

fnordfocus: blender61: The Uni is unnamed but it is in Florida.  If the coaching staff of the football team quits or the top players file an intent to transfer, that will get some attention.

It's not unnamed. It's Florida State.

And given their coach's reaction to George Floyd's killing, I'm pretty sure his staff all believes COVID-19 is a liberal hoax anyway.


I missed that part. My mistake.
I don't know anything about the politics of any football team.
 
2020-07-03 1:54:48 AM  

TheDirtyNacho: Just hire nannies and tutors duhh... what? You can not afford that? Well it was your choice to be poor.

/s but only a little. The ruling class isn't affected by lack of affordable childcare


The powerful could be at our mercy, but, we won't work  as a team with a single goal. So, f++k it.

We all get to be salves hoping to buy our freedom and get to be in charge of the whip. And be boss man asshat.
 
2020-07-03 2:02:09 AM  

rosekolodny: RedVentrue: See now I'd pay up to see some hot teacher breastfeed on zoom.

[Fark user image 425x318]


Sure why not.
 
2020-07-03 2:11:37 AM  
I would take that email as my Dean offering to babysit my two hellions all day, every day. And I'd encourage my other colleagues with kids to bring theirs to his house too.
 
2020-07-03 2:56:43 AM  
The university already started backpedaling. They said that the memo was poor the communicated, and people are misinformed, and there was confusion. They never meant to say that people weren't allowed to have their children around. In their own homes. While working from home through a crisis. No no no. They never meant that at all. You just didn't read the memo right, you're confused, it's just confusion, you stop being confused.

But the backlash was severe and they started backpedaling fairly quickly.
 
2020-07-03 3:09:50 AM  
People are upset and it is a PR nightmare... But it is also true.

And it isn't that I don't feel for parents... I'm a parent myself and I've been doing awful at my job because I'm constantly dealing with my baby instead of doing work.

When this first happened, a lot of companies were really understanding but it is months later and there is no end in sight. Why pay me X when I'm doing 20 hours of work when you can hire someone else who will work 45 hours per week, who is just as good at the job as I am?

Enough people have lost jobs that there is no shortage of talent.
 
2020-07-03 3:22:21 AM  

chawco: The university already started backpedaling. They said that the memo was poor the communicated, and people are misinformed, and there was confusion. They never meant to say that people weren't allowed to have their children around. In their own homes. While working from home through a crisis. No no no. They never meant that at all. You just didn't read the memo right, you're confused, it's just confusion, you stop being confused.

But the backlash was severe and they started backpedaling fairly quickly.


Nope.
The staff should demand that they all get fired from the middle up.
 
2020-07-03 3:37:56 AM  

chawco: poor the communicated


Ooooh. My new Fark handle.
 
2020-07-03 4:58:27 AM  
They should all go to the provost house with their kids and drop them off for that person to babysit
 
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