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2020-07-03 2:08:13 AM  

skatedrifter: Ivo Shandor: skatedrifter: The surge has been blamed in part on Americans not covering their faces or following other social distancing rules as states lifted their lockdowns over the past few weeks. Fauci warned that if people don't start complying, "we're going to be in some serious difficulty."

Don't be fooled people, this is what it's all about.

Compliance.

So you will choose "serious difficulty" instead? Good luck with that.
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I'm sorry but we are going to have to fine you $500 and possibly arrest you you because your cloth facemask wasn't aligned properly.

And pick up that can, citizen.


Left wing authoritarianism is just as scary as right wing... it's for your own good you know.
 
2020-07-03 2:13:39 AM  

halotosis: skatedrifter: Ivo Shandor: skatedrifter: The surge has been blamed in part on Americans not covering their faces or following other social distancing rules as states lifted their lockdowns over the past few weeks. Fauci warned that if people don't start complying, "we're going to be in some serious difficulty."

Don't be fooled people, this is what it's all about.

Compliance.

So you will choose "serious difficulty" instead? Good luck with that.
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I'm sorry but we are going to have to fine you $500 and possibly arrest you you because your cloth facemask wasn't aligned properly.

And pick up that can, citizen.

Left wing authoritarianism is just as scary as right wing... it's for your own good you know.


So you're saying the mask orders are scary, just to be clear?

I am generally antiauthoritarian, but somehow I find hundreds of thousands of lives lost to be scarier than inconveniencing some people for a while.
 
2020-07-03 2:15:47 AM  

skatedrifter: Ivo Shandor: skatedrifter: The surge has been blamed in part on Americans not covering their faces or following other social distancing rules as states lifted their lockdowns over the past few weeks. Fauci warned that if people don't start complying, "we're going to be in some serious difficulty."

Don't be fooled people, this is what it's all about.

Compliance.

So you will choose "serious difficulty" instead? Good luck with that.
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I'm sorry but we are going to have to fine you $500 and possibly arrest you you because your cloth facemask wasn't aligned properly.

And pick up that can, citizen.


I assume you also oppose seatbelt and public nudity laws? And you would cry 'tyranny' if you were arrested for flinging shiat at random people?

It's not some farking dystopian overreach to tell you to take basic safety precautions so as to not spread an extremely farking dangerous disease around.
 
2020-07-03 2:23:26 AM  

LordJiro: I assume you also oppose seatbelt and public nudity laws? And you would cry 'tyranny' if you were arrested for flinging shiat at random people?

It's not some farking dystopian overreach to tell you to take basic safety precautions so as to not spread an extremely farking dangerous disease around.


That's not what I am talking about.  Slippery slope is slippery.  The freedoms you give up or the power you give to politicians today won't be returned.  Patriot act, war on drugs, mass surveillance... all in the name of fear.
 
2020-07-03 2:24:23 AM  

halotosis: LordJiro: I assume you also oppose seatbelt and public nudity laws? And you would cry 'tyranny' if you were arrested for flinging shiat at random people?

It's not some farking dystopian overreach to tell you to take basic safety precautions so as to not spread an extremely farking dangerous disease around.

That's not what I am talking about.  Slippery slope is slippery.  The freedoms you give up or the power you give to politicians today won't be returned.  Patriot act, war on drugs, mass surveillance... all in the name of fear.


I agree with those things, but why is that being brought up in this thread?
 
2020-07-03 2:32:48 AM  

halotosis: LordJiro: I assume you also oppose seatbelt and public nudity laws? And you would cry 'tyranny' if you were arrested for flinging shiat at random people?

It's not some farking dystopian overreach to tell you to take basic safety precautions so as to not spread an extremely farking dangerous disease around.

That's not what I am talking about.  Slippery slope is slippery.  The freedoms you give up or the power you give to politicians today won't be returned.  Patriot act, war on drugs, mass surveillance... all in the name of fear.


Telling you to wear a mask during a F*CKING PANDEMIC is not comparable to any of those.
 
2020-07-03 4:44:26 AM  

bobbyjoebobby: Mugato: Alien Robot: Mugato: So lets open more shiat! Because reasons!

Let's have more protests where we crowd together, yell nugatory slogans, and fleck spittle at each other.

Explain why we're opening everything now that everything is worse than when we closed things in the first place. Someone just give me an answer for that, even if it's bullshiat.

Because we flattened the curve and prepared the hospitals. Now we cautiously open and monitor the situation until a vaccine/herd immunity kicks in.

Did you think we would stay in lockdown for a year? Our supply chains would collapse. There are some reports that some areas may already be seeing herd immunity. From levels as low as 30%. Did you notice NYC had a huge spike and cases collapse?

Lots of "but I science" folks on Fark who aren't even sciencing. No critical thinking skills.


Where did you get the idea that we flattened the curve? We're breaking records every day with the number of new cases.
 
2020-07-03 7:28:09 AM  
Confirmed cases are increasing because people are once again getting into car accidents and getting elective surgeries, and now all hospitals are testing everyone who comes in. These are people who otherwise would not have ever even been tested. The fact is that it's just a bunch of asymptomatic people getting added to the pile, and the data supports this. We are seeing a surge in cases, but no surge in deaths.

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2020-07-03 9:10:56 AM  

Begoggle: fusillade762: fark'emfeed'emfish: fusillade762:

Let's have more protests where we crowd together, yell nugatory slogans, and fleck spittle at each other.

Experts see little evidence that large gatherings and protests spread the coronavirus in U.S.

The science is already in on this.

You still have yet to post any evidence of this "science".

Trump is going to lose, and it's going to be funny.


Hope you are right, but cynicism tells me he's going to win.
 
2020-07-03 9:18:44 AM  

pounddawg: We're so f*cked

/had someone today tell me it was a "fake virus"


I heard that at the grocery store yesterday. It was all I could to not yell, "I know someone that died from it, you asshat!"
 
2020-07-03 11:13:15 AM  

Tommy Moo: Confirmed cases are increasing because people are once again getting into car accidents and getting elective surgeries, and now all hospitals are testing everyone who comes in. These are people who otherwise would not have ever even been tested. The fact is that it's just a bunch of asymptomatic people getting added to the pile, and the data supports this. We are seeing a surge in cases, but no surge in deaths.

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At least on a state by state level (the only data I could find that gave a nice graph of tests completed versus positive tests), this may not be accurate. Here is Nevada's positive tests vs. testing volume:

https://rt.live/us/NV

Note that the number of tests completed is, so far, pretty consistent, whereas the number of positive cases has gone up.

Maybe it is different in your state?
 
2020-07-03 11:55:28 AM  

LordJiro: halotosis: LordJiro: I assume you also oppose seatbelt and public nudity laws? And you would cry 'tyranny' if you were arrested for flinging shiat at random people?

It's not some farking dystopian overreach to tell you to take basic safety precautions so as to not spread an extremely farking dangerous disease around.

That's not what I am talking about.  Slippery slope is slippery.  The freedoms you give up or the power you give to politicians today won't be returned.  Patriot act, war on drugs, mass surveillance... all in the name of fear.

Telling you to wear a mask during a F*CKING PANDEMIC is not comparable to any of those.


See, you are jerks, this is why I refuse to talk to any of you about things right now.  I have been wearing a mask long before most the rest of you farkers around here (I have blood cancer, dipshiats).  I'm tired of coming here, dealing with this echo chamber of bullshiat.  My neighbor is the nurse who intubates patients at the hospital here in LA, we actually talk about this stuff, like the science of it and stuff.  If you lived here in LA, experienced this insanity the past few months, you'd understand why even she thinks we're going way of the deep end here into authoritarianism.
 
2020-07-03 12:14:25 PM  

Tommy Moo: Confirmed cases are increasing because people are once again getting into car accidents and getting elective surgeries, and now all hospitals are testing everyone who comes in. These are people who otherwise would not have ever even been tested. The fact is that it's just a bunch of asymptomatic people getting added to the pile, and the data supports this. We are seeing a surge in cases, but no surge in deaths.

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This!!!! I just had a conversation with my neighbor about this exact thing they day before yesterday.  How so many of the cases in the hospital are asymptomatic... I asked her why they were even in the hospital then and she said, broken bones, other regular problems.
 
2020-07-03 12:22:36 PM  

Leishu: Tommy Moo: Confirmed cases are increasing because people are once again getting into car accidents and getting elective surgeries, and now all hospitals are testing everyone who comes in. These are people who otherwise would not have ever even been tested. The fact is that it's just a bunch of asymptomatic people getting added to the pile, and the data supports this. We are seeing a surge in cases, but no surge in deaths.

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At least on a state by state level (the only data I could find that gave a nice graph of tests completed versus positive tests), this may not be accurate. Here is Nevada's positive tests vs. testing volume:

https://rt.live/us/NV

Note that the number of tests completed is, so far, pretty consistent, whereas the number of positive cases has gone up.

Maybe it is different in your state?


Notice something else from that graph of Nevada? The Rt is all the way down to 1.43. This corresponds to only needing 30% of the population to be immune to achieve herd immunity. Looking around at some of the other states, Nevada is actually on the high side, with a lot of the others closer to 1.1. The fact that deaths are asymptotically approaching zero is because we are getting very close to herd immunity. Feel free to compare those numbers to this publication if you think I'm wrong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC7151357/
 
2020-07-03 12:29:55 PM  

Tommy Moo: Leishu: Tommy Moo: Confirmed cases are increasing because people are once again getting into car accidents and getting elective surgeries, and now all hospitals are testing everyone who comes in. These are people who otherwise would not have ever even been tested. The fact is that it's just a bunch of asymptomatic people getting added to the pile, and the data supports this. We are seeing a surge in cases, but no surge in deaths.

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At least on a state by state level (the only data I could find that gave a nice graph of tests completed versus positive tests), this may not be accurate. Here is Nevada's positive tests vs. testing volume:

https://rt.live/us/NV

Note that the number of tests completed is, so far, pretty consistent, whereas the number of positive cases has gone up.

Maybe it is different in your state?

Notice something else from that graph of Nevada? The Rt is all the way down to 1.43. This corresponds to only needing 30% of the population to be immune to achieve herd immunity. Looking around at some of the other states, Nevada is actually on the high side, with a lot of the others closer to 1.1. The fact that deaths are asymptotically approaching zero is because we are getting very close to herd immunity. Feel free to compare those numbers to this publication if you think I'm wrong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC7151357/


New York hit herd immunity effects some time ago.  We kinda know this because it's been proven the majority of the new cases after lockdown came from people sheltering at home there.  You can't avoid it in a densely packed place like NY, with high rise living, but the positive rate is down to almost where we started....  A lot of what we are seeing is really testing bias, we're seeing what was underneath the tip of the iceberg (serious cases) now.  I know tons of people who have gotten tested in the past two or three weeks and I can't figure out why they got tested.  I guess people are just getting tested for the comfort of it, rather than because they are critically ill.
 
2020-07-03 2:25:07 PM  

fusillade762: fark'emfeed'emfish: fusillade762:

Let's have more protests where we crowd together, yell nugatory slogans, and fleck spittle at each other.

Experts see little evidence that large gatherings and protests spread the coronavirus in U.S.

The science is already in on this.

You still have yet to post any evidence of this "science".


That was your own link...
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2020-07-03 2:28:33 PM  

pedrop357: fark'emfeed'emfish: fusillade762:

Let's have more protests where we crowd together, yell nugatory slogans, and fleck spittle at each other.

Experts see little evidence that large gatherings and protests spread the coronavirus in U.S.

The science is already in on this.

Those experts had a different view on the reopen protests, as well as people visiting beaches, lakes, and parks.


Agreed. It's baloney, you can't exclude nationwide protests from vectoring with any intillectual honesty.
 
2020-07-03 2:56:38 PM  

Tommy Moo: Leishu: Tommy Moo: Confirmed cases are increasing because people are once again getting into car accidents and getting elective surgeries, and now all hospitals are testing everyone who comes in. These are people who otherwise would not have ever even been tested. The fact is that it's just a bunch of asymptomatic people getting added to the pile, and the data supports this. We are seeing a surge in cases, but no surge in deaths.

[Fark user image 750x459]

At least on a state by state level (the only data I could find that gave a nice graph of tests completed versus positive tests), this may not be accurate. Here is Nevada's positive tests vs. testing volume:

https://rt.live/us/NV

Note that the number of tests completed is, so far, pretty consistent, whereas the number of positive cases has gone up.

Maybe it is different in your state?

Notice something else from that graph of Nevada? The Rt is all the way down to 1.43. This corresponds to only needing 30% of the population to be immune to achieve herd immunity. Looking around at some of the other states, Nevada is actually on the high side, with a lot of the others closer to 1.1. The fact that deaths are asymptotically approaching zero is because we are getting very close to herd immunity. Feel free to compare those numbers to this publication if you think I'm wrong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC7151357/


Yeah we are definitely on the high side, and going up, here. I was more making the point that assessing this on the national scale when what we have is basically dozens of specific outbreaks is probably not the way to go, sadly.

Is there evidence that people are actually gaining immunity to the virus now? That would be news to me, and I would very much appreciate a link if so.
 
2020-07-03 3:22:56 PM  

halotosis: New York hit herd immunity effects some time ago.

That's nonsense right there.  No need to read any further.

We kinda know this because it's been proven the majority of the new cases after lockdown came from people sheltering at home there.  You can't avoid it in a densely packed place like NY, with high rise living, but the positive rate is down to almost where we started....  A lot of what we are seeing is really testing bias, we're seeing what was underneath the tip of the iceberg (serious cases) now.  I know tons of people who have gotten tested in the past two or three weeks and I can't figure out why they got tested.  I guess people are just getting tested for the comfort of it, rather than because they are critically ill.

 
2020-07-03 3:35:38 PM  

Leishu: Tommy Moo: Leishu: Tommy Moo: Confirmed cases are increasing because people are once again getting into car accidents and getting elective surgeries, and now all hospitals are testing everyone who comes in. These are people who otherwise would not have ever even been tested. The fact is that it's just a bunch of asymptomatic people getting added to the pile, and the data supports this. We are seeing a surge in cases, but no surge in deaths.

[Fark user image 750x459]

At least on a state by state level (the only data I could find that gave a nice graph of tests completed versus positive tests), this may not be accurate. Here is Nevada's positive tests vs. testing volume:

https://rt.live/us/NV

Note that the number of tests completed is, so far, pretty consistent, whereas the number of positive cases has gone up.

Maybe it is different in your state?

Notice something else from that graph of Nevada? The Rt is all the way down to 1.43. This corresponds to only needing 30% of the population to be immune to achieve herd immunity. Looking around at some of the other states, Nevada is actually on the high side, with a lot of the others closer to 1.1. The fact that deaths are asymptotically approaching zero is because we are getting very close to herd immunity. Feel free to compare those numbers to this publication if you think I'm wrong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC7151357/

Yeah we are definitely on the high side, and going up, here. I was more making the point that assessing this on the national scale when what we have is basically dozens of specific outbreaks is probably not the way to go, sadly.

Is there evidence that people are actually gaining immunity to the virus now? That would be news to me, and I would very much appreciate a link if so.


Also, the Rt isn't "all the way down" to its current 1.44. It is back up to that number after people being dumbasses and not masking up or respecting social distancing.
 
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