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(KCEN TV Waco)   Army: Your son deserted the Army so he will not be getting a military funeral. Family: He went missing right before he'd have been honorably discharged and was found in a shallow grave. Army: He really wanted to desert, now get out of my office   (kcentv.com) divider line
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2020-07-02 11:30:49 PM  

GrogSmash: Ok, some serious details missing from that article...

Like how the fark did he end up in a shallow grave?

Followed closely by...

Apparently this isn't the only individual to go *poof* from that base?!?


Putin. Always Putin.

/probably had a bounty on him
 
2020-07-02 11:31:39 PM  
People really should pay attention in reading class.
 
2020-07-02 11:43:44 PM  

dkulprit: johnny_vegas: You suck at reading comprehension subby

I'm failing to follow.  They haven't confirmed that he didn't desert, and is still on deserter status and they still expect family to pay for moving the body?


He's a shiatposter.  There is nothing to follow.
 
2020-07-02 11:45:56 PM  

johnny_vegas: dkulprit: johnny_vegas: You suck at reading comprehension subby

I'm failing to follow.  They haven't confirmed that he didn't desert, and is still on deserter status and they still expect family to pay for moving the body?

I was more referring to subby's comment that his body was found before his discharge date


I stand corrected, I am the idiot for not properly reading Subby's farked headline.  My brain autocorrected.
 
2020-07-02 11:57:25 PM  

dyhchong: It doesn't make sense that a young man who was just days away from getting an honorable discharge and his military benefits would all of a sudden just disappear without a trace.


Hell, Gordon Sims was only three weeks away from discharge and skipped town, so it happens more than you think . . . .
 
2020-07-03 12:02:50 AM  
Welp, what makes sense is the army is not going to remove him from deserter status until his autopsy confirms when he died, duh.
 
2020-07-03 12:06:04 AM  

Steakzilla: phedex: Sounds pretty clear, from what shes saying theres no way this young man would do that so close to completion.  I guess anything is possible, but it sure looks like something happened to him, not him just deserting.

and if its true, fark these assholes who tried to call him a deserter.

if not, I stand corrected.

Might be something that is standard practice.  Member disappears without a trace and after x amount of time is automatically considered a deserter.


Yeah, but I'd hope there would be a step 2 between disappearing and deserter. Like, looking for the missing person.

It sounds like if every soldier get the treatment they're getting on this base the US Army would have 0 KIA and a lot more AWOL.
 
2020-07-03 12:18:02 AM  

FloriduhGuy: johnny_vegas: jso2897: johnny_vegas: You suck at reading comprehension subby

You suck at knowing where you are.
Welcome to Fark.

*insert 'your mom' joke here*

Children! Children! You are both idiots and I slept with both your mother's!


User name, strangely enough, checks out.
 
2020-07-03 12:32:36 AM  

zang: MSBFDffpm: From what I took away FTA is that all kinds of folks are trying to reach the proper conclusion.  Too bad the deceased don't come with a TOD tag or microchip.

Huh, does that exist?  Like an implantable chip with a clock that starts ticking as soon as your core temperature drops below 80 or something...


A pacemaker diagnostic was used once to determine when someone died in a criminal investigation: https://www.bmj.com/co​ntent/326/7380/7​0.2
 
2020-07-03 12:39:48 AM  

FloriduhGuy: johnny_vegas: jso2897: johnny_vegas: You suck at reading comprehension subby

You suck at knowing where you are.
Welcome to Fark.

*insert 'your mom' joke here*

Children! Children! You are both idiots and I slept with both your mother's!


You too?
 
2020-07-03 12:47:45 AM  

Ringshadow: GrogSmash: Apparently this isn't the only individual to go *poof* from that base?!?

Vanessa Gullien.

[Fark user image 720x832]

Sexually harassed at Fort Hood... which is apparently SO NOTORIOUS for rape on site that female soldiers are told to never walk alone. She disappeared. Her family started pressing.

And Now..

[Fark user image 850x1211]

This is apparently not the first time this has happened. People.. especially female soldiers.. apparently tend to disappear at Fort Hood, BUT, the sexual assault/rape is not contained to women. The men are preyed on as well. It's a cluster. Fort Hood needs to be shut down entirely.

/online scuttlebutt I'm seeing is this might be sex or organ trafficking but, take that with a bottle of salt


Shut down the largest military base and one of the most populated??? lol, good luck
 
2020-07-03 12:49:03 AM  
Let's assume the autopsy come back that he has been dead for only five months of those ten...
Does that prove he deserted? What if he was kidnapped and held for five months before being killed?
Unless they have proof of him being alive on his own free will after the 30 days of AWOL status, it sounds like they should err on the side of caution.
 
2020-07-03 12:50:19 AM  
Pvt2 after four years, I'm guessing he pissed dirty.
 
2020-07-03 1:14:04 AM  

tpmchris: Shut down the largest military base and one of the most populated??? lol, good luck


Dude it's a cluster of murders, disappearances and rapes that's being actively covered up by the military.

Also, the military should be radically reduced and its budget slashed so the money can go to other things.

/or haven't you noticed this country is about to collapse
 
2020-07-03 1:28:14 AM  

tpmchris: Pvt2 after four years, I'm guessing he pissed dirty.


Or just wasn't real smart or motivated.  That doesn't mean he's a deserter.
 
2020-07-03 2:32:50 AM  
They don't seem very concerned with who killed one of their soldiers which means they already know.
 
2020-07-03 6:33:32 AM  

rosekolodny: tpmchris: Pvt2 after four years, I'm guessing he pissed dirty.

Or just wasn't real smart or motivated.  That doesn't mean he's a deserter.


He automatically would a Specialist by now for "time in service" alone-dude f'ed up somewhere along the line.
 
2020-07-03 6:44:10 AM  

roostercube: Soldiers do crazy things (I was one). It wouldn't be completely outside the realm of possible that a soldier deserts just a couple weeks from being discharged. This guy did nearly 6 years, and was a PV2, so that seems to suggest at least one (maybe multiple) Article 15 cases. Still, it would be rather rare for even a shiatbird to leave at that moment and that should have gotten the attention of a lot of people higher up in the chain of command. I feel for the family right now. The Army could be handling this better.


Yeah, something weird about this. No way can someone be an E2 after 6 years unless he was a royal fark-up to begin with. Heck, I was SP4P in less than three years!
 
2020-07-03 6:59:03 AM  

LrdPhoenix: dyhchong: "It doesn't make sense that a young man who was just days away from getting an honorable discharge and his military benefits would all of a sudden just disappear without a trace.

Sure it does. I bolded the sense it makes.

Are you implying the military murdered him to keep from having to give him his benefits?  I'm pretty sure there are easier ways for them to do that, and also that there would be a whole lot more missing soldiers.


MiAs?
I'm not certain they exist.

ROUSes, however...
 
2020-07-03 7:03:58 AM  
*RTFA*

Oh, she was going to blow a whistle, was murdered, and they not only want to cover it up, they wish to degrade, litteraly, this service member, and insult her family.

That sounds like our military all right.
 
2020-07-03 7:05:53 AM  
Also, there is a serial rapist/murderer loose
 
2020-07-03 7:11:17 AM  

Ringshadow: GrogSmash: Apparently this isn't the only individual to go *poof* from that base?!?

Vanessa Gullien.

[Fark user image 720x832]

Sexually harassed at Fort Hood... which is apparently SO NOTORIOUS for rape on site that female soldiers are told to never walk alone. She disappeared. Her family started pressing.

And Now..

[Fark user image 850x1211]

This is apparently not the first time this has happened. People.. especially female soldiers.. apparently tend to disappear at Fort Hood, BUT, the sexual assault/rape is not contained to women. The men are preyed on as well. It's a cluster. Fort Hood needs to be shut down entirely.

/online scuttlebutt I'm seeing is this might be sex or organ trafficking but, take that with a bottle of salt


https://www.insideedition.com/soldier​-​vanessa-guillen-was-beaten-to-death-in​-fort-hood-armory-then-dismembered-fam​ily-attorney

According to this Vanessa was dismembered when they couldn't burn her body.
 
2020-07-03 7:15:44 AM  
It is interesting how little interest the Army has in actually tracking down deserters. Especially when this particular base has had it's share of problems with sexual harassment towards both men and women. And that whole mass shooting thing. But I know for a fact that the Army in general is excellent at tracking people down. Time for a... ISB?

Back in the early 2000's, I knew two people who were tracked down by the Army after not reporting for basic after enlisting. I live in South Dakota. The first one, I knew personally. He enlisted before the end of high-school, he got cold feet a day or two before he was supposed to report, and headed off to California to stay with a woman he met on the internet. Well, without any known address, or any bills in his name, as far as I know, the Army tracked him down within two months. Threatened to charge him with going AWOL if he didn't report, so he did.

The second, was a guy I met several times, but he was a friend of a friend, never really cared for him. He enlisted, got cold feet, and came from California to South Dakota to hide. Ended up staying in my friend's girlfriend's aunt's basement. Again, as far as I know, no known address. Army caught up with him a few months later as well.

They can find you, if you're a fresh young body they can turn into an infantryman. They're very, very good at it. If you're on the verge of the end of your service, or if you can offer testimony to expose the gross misconduct in the military, apparently they have no way of tracking you down. It's just so weird how it happens this way.
 
2020-07-03 7:20:34 AM  

Vern: It is interesting how little interest the Army has in actually tracking down deserters. Especially when this particular base has had it's share of problems with sexual harassment towards both men and women. And that whole mass shooting thing. But I know for a fact that the Army in general is excellent at tracking people down. Time for a... ISB?

Back in the early 2000's, I knew two people who were tracked down by the Army after not reporting for basic after enlisting. I live in South Dakota. The first one, I knew personally. He enlisted before the end of high-school, he got cold feet a day or two before he was supposed to report, and headed off to California to stay with a woman he met on the internet. Well, without any known address, or any bills in his name, as far as I know, the Army tracked him down within two months. Threatened to charge him with going AWOL if he didn't report, so he did.

The second, was a guy I met several times, but he was a friend of a friend, never really cared for him. He enlisted, got cold feet, and came from California to South Dakota to hide. Ended up staying in my friend's girlfriend's aunt's basement. Again, as far as I know, no known address. Army caught up with him a few months later as well.

They can find you, if you're a fresh young body they can turn into an infantryman. They're very, very good at it. If you're on the verge of the end of your service, or if you can offer testimony to expose the gross misconduct in the military, apparently they have no way of tracking you down. It's just so weird how it happens this way.


Depending when he died, this one may have been kind of hard for them to track down, no?
 
2020-07-03 7:27:49 AM  
johnny_vegas:
Depending when he died, this one may have been kind of hard for them to track down, no?

I guess my main point, and the problem I have with this situation, is that it doesn't really seemed like they cared to track him down.
 
2020-07-03 7:46:44 AM  

Ringshadow: It's a cluster. Fort Hood needs to be shut down entirely.


Burning the ship only spreads the rats.  Need to exterminate the rats.
 
2020-07-03 7:50:40 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: roostercube: Soldiers do crazy things (I was one). It wouldn't be completely outside the realm of possible that a soldier deserts just a couple weeks from being discharged. This guy did nearly 6 years, and was a PV2, so that seems to suggest at least one (maybe multiple) Article 15 cases. Still, it would be rather rare for even a shiatbird to leave at that moment and that should have gotten the attention of a lot of people higher up in the chain of command. I feel for the family right now. The Army could be handling this better.

Yeah, something weird about this. No way can someone be an E2 after 6 years unless he was a royal fark-up to begin with. Heck, I was SP4P in less than three years!


I made Specialist in 3 years and 1 week later was repromoted to PFC!
 
2020-07-03 7:56:05 AM  

Vern: It is interesting how little interest the Army has in actually tracking down deserters. Especially when this particular base has had it's share of problems with sexual harassment towards both men and women. And that whole mass shooting thing. But I know for a fact that the Army in general is excellent at tracking people down.


One thing about military thinking, problems are a bad thing.  Higher ranks at Pentagon don't want to hear about problems at bases.  So to fix a problem, one much admit there is a problem to be fixed.  So if they looked into what  is going on, that would be admitting there's a problem, and Pentagon will not be happy, and start replacing CO's.  Basically, it is better for the career to keep a problem hidden till after their time there has passed.
 
2020-07-03 7:59:45 AM  

LrdPhoenix: dyhchong: "It doesn't make sense that a young man who was just days away from getting an honorable discharge and his military benefits would all of a sudden just disappear without a trace.

Sure it does. I bolded the sense it makes.

Are you implying the military murdered him to keep from having to give him his benefits?  I'm pretty sure there are easier ways for them to do that, and also that there would be a whole lot more missing soldiers.


Not the military, just a few white supremacists.
 
2020-07-03 8:24:27 AM  

dyhchong: "It doesn't make sense that a young man who was just days away from getting an honorable discharge and his military benefits would all of a sudden just disappear without a trace.

Sure it does. I bolded the sense it makes.


Whoa, the DoD is taking austerity measures seriously.
 
2020-07-03 8:25:43 AM  

Magorn: I knew a guy who spent 3 years as a POW in Vietnam, escaped, made it back to US lines and instead of pinning a medal in him, he was labeled a deserter and given a dishonorable discharge because his company commander never reported him MIA


His name, John Rambo!
 
2020-07-03 8:29:32 AM  

johnny_vegas: jso2897: johnny_vegas: jso2897: johnny_vegas: You suck at reading comprehension subby

You suck at knowing where you are.
Welcome to Fark.

*insert 'your mom' joke here*

I prefer to insert it into your actual mom.

Need a bigger penis than your needle dick, she's a size queen


Do she leave you in the room while she played with your many "uncles"?
 
2020-07-03 8:46:34 AM  

Vern: johnny_vegas:
Depending when he died, this one may have been kind of hard for them to track down, no?

I guess my main point, and the problem I have with this situation, is that it doesn't really seemed like they cared to track him down.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19489285/ns​/​us_news-military/t/military-makes-litt​le-effort-punish-deserters/
 
2020-07-03 8:47:26 AM  

GummyBearOverlord: johnny_vegas: jso2897: johnny_vegas: jso2897: johnny_vegas: You suck at reading comprehension subby

You suck at knowing where you are.
Welcome to Fark.

*insert 'your mom' joke here*

I prefer to insert it into your actual mom.

Need a bigger penis than your needle dick, she's a size queen

Do she leave you in the room while she played with your many "uncles"?


And aunts, don't be sexist
 
2020-07-03 9:01:03 AM  

GrogSmash: Ok, some serious details missing from that article...

Like how the fark did he end up in a shallow grave?

Followed closely by...

Apparently this isn't the only individual to go *poof* from that base?!?


Then there's the young woman who was missing and found hacked up and her sexual assaulter ended up killing himself when they went to arrest him.

There's some serious farkery going on at that base.
 
2020-07-03 9:33:46 AM  

phedex: Sounds pretty clear, from what shes saying theres no way this young man would do that so close to completion.  I guess anything is possible, but it sure looks like something happened to him, not him just deserting.

and if its true, fark these assholes who tried to call him a deserter.

if not, I stand corrected.


Maybe his shallow grave was in the desert.  Ergo he's still a "desert"er.

/if they found him baked into a strudel he would have been a desserter.
 
2020-07-03 10:30:32 AM  
Fort Hood. Killeen, Texas.
Sure, they have both a Whataburger and an In-n-Out, but....
Everyone I've ever met there from residents to soldiers stationed there all seem to have 'issues' coping with reality, and they are amplified on base. I have relatives in that area that I keep myself distanced from because they aren't the usual self-righteous bigoted racists, they are also all talk like Trump with his self-stroking ego trying to make themselves sound like Gods, that tragedy is 'a good thing', and that 'it will go away quickly'.
Then add in everything from the mass shooting in 2009 to the missing soldiers turning up today, the stories of rape and assaults on base there, and you get the impression its like a hellhole to a whole new level. The way I hear it, the ONLY thing good about Hood is "At least it's not Fort Polk, but Polk is still safer."
 
2020-07-03 12:06:10 PM  

GrogSmash: dkulprit: GrogSmash: Ok, some serious details missing from that article...

Like how the fark did he end up in a shallow grave?

Followed closely by...

Apparently this isn't the only individual to go *poof* from that base?!?

You've been missing a lot, it's been pretty big news around the country and those parts, so since it's been on all the news its assuming you knew it, it is also a local news source and everyone knows about this.

A female soldier has been missing for a couple of weeks.  The army wasn't doing much so a senator got involved so they actually started doing search parties for her during one search party they found him in a shallow grave.

Unfortunately it does not end on a happy note as they found more remains not far from his.  As far as I know they havent confirmed if it is her or not.

North of the 49th here, so the goings on of a military base in Texas doesn't usually make my news feeds.

And details like that would have been useful in the article.


I'm in Chicagoland myself.  Its popped up in a bunch of my news feeds, been on most major news sources.
 
2020-07-03 12:19:19 PM  

roostercube: Soldiers do crazy things (I was one). It wouldn't be completely outside the realm of possible that a soldier deserts just a couple weeks from being discharged. This guy did nearly 6 years, and was a PV2, so that seems to suggest at least one (maybe multiple) Article 15 cases. Still, it would be rather rare for even a shiatbird to leave at that moment and that should have gotten the attention of a lot of people higher up in the chain of command. I feel for the family right now. The Army could be handling this better.


He was getting an honorable, so it doesn't seem like he was being forced out.  Usually people disappear when they're getting a Dishonorable or Other than honorable, because what's the diff at this point?

We had a guy in our unit that did something similar to yours.  He got caught with a a pound of weed in his barracks 3 weeks before he was going to get discharged.  They were going to give him an Other than honorable discharge and just get him tf out of the army....  this idiot farking runs away.  We were stationed in germany at the time.  6 months later he's caught in his German GF's apartment.

So instead of just getting an other than honorable discharge for getting caught with a pound of weed he got sentenced to 1 year labor and 2 in Leavenworth....

All he had to do was wait 3 weeks to get out the first time.  He was 2 weeks out from getting his other than honorable, then farking deserts and gets a year of hard labor and 2 years in leavenworth.

Yes people are dumb, but it doesn't appear the guy in article was that dumb.
 
2020-07-03 12:24:09 PM  

dyhchong: "It doesn't make sense that a young man who was just days away from getting an honorable discharge and his military benefits would all of a sudden just disappear without a trace.

Sure it does. I bolded the sense it makes.


What benefits does a pv2 with 6 years in get?

That's right nothing but the gi bill.

Otherwise if he had medical benefits from a disability, those come from VA and the army dngaf about those as they're a completely different org and not tied to their budget.  In fact none of the benefits he'd get come from the Army itself, and even if they did, it's not like they come out of the unit's bank account or anything so the commander wouldn't care if they did.

Also, there's be a lot more dead soldiers than just this guy.  Including me.

This is a stupid conspiracy with no basis in reality as there is no motivation for it because his benefits don't effect the army one way or another.

It's not like the army couldn't purchase more gear because this one guy gets va benefits or something.
 
2020-07-03 12:25:28 PM  

phedex: Sounds pretty clear, from what shes saying theres no way this young man would do that so close to completion.  I guess anything is possible, but it sure looks like something happened to him, not him just deserting.

and if its true, fark these assholes who tried to call him a deserter.

if not, I stand corrected.


Well that and the shallow grave in an isolated area would kind of give that away.
 
2020-07-03 12:34:37 PM  

roc6783: johnny_vegas: dkulprit: johnny_vegas: You suck at reading comprehension subby

I'm failing to follow.  They haven't confirmed that he didn't desert, and is still on deserter status and they still expect family to pay for moving the body?

I was more referring to subby's comment that his body was found before his discharge date

I stand corrected, I am the idiot for not properly reading Subby's farked headline.  My brain autocorrected.


As did mine, until he responded to mine I didn't notice.
 
2020-07-03 3:06:39 PM  
Not six years....jeebus!

June 2015 to August 2019.

Maths!
 
2020-07-04 12:20:13 AM  

johnny_vegas: Vern: johnny_vegas:
Depending when he died, this one may have been kind of hard for them to track down, no?

I guess my main point, and the problem I have with this situation, is that it doesn't really seemed like they cared to track him down.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19489285/ns/​us_news-military/t/military-makes-litt​le-effort-punish-deserters/


Fantastic news. I'll let the guy that the Army tracked down, and who subsequently served two tours in Iraq that the five people he killed, and the burning bodies he had to pull from HMMVS don't matter. Because the army doesn't bother tracking people down. I'm sure he'll be thrilled.
 
2020-07-04 8:05:00 AM  

Vern: johnny_vegas: Vern: johnny_vegas:
Depending when he died, this one may have been kind of hard for them to track down, no?

I guess my main point, and the problem I have with this situation, is that it doesn't really seemed like they cared to track him down.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19489285/ns/​us_news-military/t/military-makes-litt​le-effort-punish-deserters/

Fantastic news. I'll let the guy that the Army tracked down, and who subsequently served two tours in Iraq that the five people he killed, and the burning bodies he had to pull from HMMVS don't matter. Because the army doesn't bother tracking people down. I'm sure he'll be thrilled.


*shrug* Sounds like a ridiculous thing to do, but you be you.
 
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