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TWX [TotalFark]
2020-07-02 10:46:21 AM  
For those that don't want a FOX link:

https://jalopnik.com/petrochemical-co​m​pany-ineos-is-going-to-build-this-rebo​-1844235745

In a nutshell, it doesn't use Land Rover parts, it isn't compatible with Land Rover parts, and while it may look a lot like a Landrover, one can say that a K5 Blazer, a Ford Bronco, and a Dodge Ramcharger look an awful lot alike but are not the same vehicle.  Automotive designers have been "inspired" by each other constantly, so there's really nothing that Land Rover can complain about.
 
2020-07-02 11:11:54 AM  

TWX: For those that don't want a FOX link:

https://jalopnik.com/petrochemical-com​pany-ineos-is-going-to-build-this-rebo​-1844235745

In a nutshell, it doesn't use Land Rover parts, it isn't compatible with Land Rover parts, and while it may look a lot like a Landrover, one can say that a K5 Blazer, a Ford Bronco, and a Dodge Ramcharger look an awful lot alike but are not the same vehicle.  Automotive designers have been "inspired" by each other constantly, so there's really nothing that Land Rover can complain about.


Plus, the original Landie (and Toyota Land Cruiser, among others, I'm sure) was specifically a rip off of Jeeps of the day.
 
2020-07-02 11:30:18 AM  
"The vacuum cleaner pioneer recently ditched his bid to build an electric car rival to Tesla after sinking £500 million into the project."

I bet that must have sucked.
 
2020-07-02 11:30:42 AM  
Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.
 
2020-07-02 11:31:58 AM  
There is a link on Land Rover's website that says "build your own" so I did your honor.
 
2020-07-02 11:32:43 AM  

Farkenhostile: "The vacuum cleaner pioneer recently ditched his bid to build an electric car rival to Tesla after sinking £500 million into the project."

I bet that must have sucked.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
 
2020-07-02 11:33:02 AM  

stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.


Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.
 
2020-07-02 11:33:38 AM  
Price point is comparable to the jeep trucks too.  I gotta admit the new Jeep trucks do LOOK cool, but that famous, good ol' Jeep reliability gives me pause.

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2020-07-02 11:34:42 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Price point is comparable to the jeep trucks too.  I gotta admit the new Jeep trucks do LOOK cool, but that famous, good ol' Jeep reliability gives me pause.

shiatsonfireyo.jpg


Wranglers are only unreliable if you compare them to anything that isn't a jeep product.
 
2020-07-02 11:35:22 AM  
Toby Ecuyer, the Grenadier's design borrower, said: "The brief was simple. copy Land Rover's design and put an engine in it."
 
2020-07-02 11:37:09 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.

Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.


Because outside of his business life, he is a very vocal garbage person.
 
2020-07-02 11:37:40 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.

Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.


I think it's because he's weird. But that's just my opinion.
 
2020-07-02 11:44:18 AM  
Chemicals tycoon Sir Jim Ratcliffe decided to launch his own car company when Land Rover ceased production of the rugged off-roader in 2016.

Well, it's back for the 2020 model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Land_Rov​er_Defender_(L663)

Doug DeMuro reviewed it as competent, capable, and decently priced.
 
2020-07-02 11:50:10 AM  

TWX: For those that don't want a FOX link:

https://jalopnik.com/petrochemical-com​pany-ineos-is-going-to-build-this-rebo​-1844235745

In a nutshell, it doesn't use Land Rover parts, it isn't compatible with Land Rover parts, and while it may look a lot like a Landrover, one can say that a K5 Blazer, a Ford Bronco, and a Dodge Ramcharger look an awful lot alike but are not the same vehicle.  Automotive designers have been "inspired" by each other constantly, so there's really nothing that Land Rover can complain about.


And most importantly it can't just copy the Land Rover because the original LR doesn't come close to meeting all the safety regulations in countries around the world. It was grandfathered in in many areas but even that was pushing it.

I said when LR launched their new Defender that I thought they'd gone too upmarket and should have made a bare bones utility vehicle. But I suspected that when they restyled the Disco. The new (current) model got far sportier, luxurious and upmarket and I thought at the time that was to move it upmarket to make way for the new Defender. The new Defender is effectively the replacement for the old Disco, leaving the tough utility vehicle market empty for this guy to move into.
 
2020-07-02 11:51:06 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.

Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.


because he asks for it by making himself into a public figure of fame.

If he were more like a koch brother, avoiding the lime light and not spending time with anyone that point a camera and microphone at him. Then like the koch brothers he could move entire mountains of political/socioeconomic weight around, and a vast swath of the people pie chart would still not know his name or who he was or what he spent his time and dimes doing.

By taking up a  public spot light in front of everyone and being so braggadocio, everyone watch me i'm a super bad ass i got this like none of yall could i'm right Tony Stark over here check it out.
And then roll out a sad truck that was drawn by Hanna Barbera rejects, injects himself into a cave diving rescue of which he know jack squat about, and a whole series of basically a long string of that, while demanding the public pay close attention to his amazballs self.

Yeah that's the exact formula to ask for it like that.
If he didn't want to be thrashed on by the public all he had to do was not make himself into so public a figure as he did.
Or you know, be the Tony Stark of a badass and stick the landing, if you're so gonna demand all eyes on you to see this shiat.
 
2020-07-02 11:53:21 AM  

mrmopar5287: Chemicals tycoon Sir Jim Ratcliffe decided to launch his own car company when Land Rover ceased production of the rugged off-roader in 2016.

Well, it's back for the 2020 model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L​and_Rover_Defender_(L663)

Doug DeMuro reviewed it as competent, capable, and decently priced.


The new one looks like a great car, but it's not the sort of thing farmers will buy to throw bales of hay and stray sheep into before hosing it out at the end of the day. It will be bought by posers, yummy mummies for the school run and rich execs to tow their jet ski.
 
2020-07-02 11:54:11 AM  
He aimed to build a "utilitarian" 4x4 which would appeal to adventurers and landowners rather thanthat will be almost exclusively be bought by trendy urbanites seeking so-called "Chelsea Tractors.'

Fixt
 
2020-07-02 11:55:34 AM  
"He is believed to have invested 600 British pounds ($745) million..."

Man, a dollar just isn't worth what it used to be anymore.
 
2020-07-02 11:56:30 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: TWX: For those that don't want a FOX link:

https://jalopnik.com/petrochemical-com​pany-ineos-is-going-to-build-this-rebo​-1844235745

In a nutshell, it doesn't use Land Rover parts, it isn't compatible with Land Rover parts, and while it may look a lot like a Landrover, one can say that a K5 Blazer, a Ford Bronco, and a Dodge Ramcharger look an awful lot alike but are not the same vehicle.  Automotive designers have been "inspired" by each other constantly, so there's really nothing that Land Rover can complain about.

And most importantly it can't just copy the Land Rover because the original LR doesn't come close to meeting all the safety regulations in countries around the world. It was grandfathered in in many areas but even that was pushing it.

I said when LR launched their new Defender that I thought they'd gone too upmarket and should have made a bare bones utility vehicle. But I suspected that when they restyled the Disco. The new (current) model got far sportier, luxurious and upmarket and I thought at the time that was to move it upmarket to make way for the new Defender. The new Defender is effectively the replacement for the old Disco, leaving the tough utility vehicle market empty for this guy to move into.


YRLY I'd love a basic US legal classic body style Defender, but not pushing $100k.
 
2020-07-02 11:56:52 AM  

mrmopar5287: Chemicals tycoon Sir Jim Ratcliffe decided to launch his own car company when Land Rover ceased production of the rugged off-roader in 2016.

Well, it's back for the 2020 model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L​and_Rover_Defender_(L663)

Doug DeMuro reviewed it as competent, capable, and decently priced.


Based on that entry, it sounds like the only thing it has in common with the original is the name. It looks like it was designed for soccer moms... a larger (and even more boring) version of the Honda Element.

The Grenadier appears to be a truer heir.
 
2020-07-02 11:57:03 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: it's not the sort of thing farmers will buy to throw bales of hay and stray sheep into before hosing it out at the end of the day


Don't they buy lorries for that?

Why would you buy a SUV to haul bales of hay or sheep? Unless it's with a trailer?
 
2020-07-02 11:58:13 AM  
I know the economy is bad but geez: "He is believed to have invested 600 British pounds ($745) million of his estimated 12.5 billion fortune in the project."

Cumbersome writing or is it supposed to be that way?
 
2020-07-02 12:00:06 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.

Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.


Because he's an asshole
 
2020-07-02 12:00:53 PM  
There needs to be something made new that the third world can use in 20 years.  The old Soviet and Mercedes trucks and vans won't last forever, and bush mechanics don't have ODB2 readers and dealer only parts.
 
2020-07-02 12:03:59 PM  

BretMavrik: Based on that entry, it sounds like the only thing it has in common with the original is the name. It looks like it was designed for soccer moms... a larger (and even more boring) version of the Honda Element.


The specs of it (ground clearance, approach/departure angles, etc.) give it serious off-road capability.

Even serious off-road SUVs have very capable manners on-road nowadays. The air suspension makes it easy to tune for on-road comfort.
 
2020-07-02 12:04:43 PM  

stevenboof: Farkenhostile: "The vacuum cleaner pioneer recently ditched his bid to build an electric car rival to Tesla after sinking £500 million into the project."

I bet that must have sucked.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!


You don't scare me, ghost! I'll vacuum you up! https://oreckvacuums.atavist.com/​can-y​our-vacuum-cleaner-suck-up-a-ghost
 
2020-07-02 12:04:49 PM  

FleshFlapps: Just another Heartland Weirdass: Price point is comparable to the jeep trucks too.  I gotta admit the new Jeep trucks do LOOK cool, but that famous, good ol' Jeep reliability gives me pause.

shiatsonfireyo.jpg

Wranglers are only unreliable if you compare them to anything that isn't a jeep product.


And anything that isn't a Wrangler only seems reliable until you treat it like a Wrangler.

/2006 Last year for factory half doors.  Hardly a lick of trouble since new.
 
2020-07-02 12:09:36 PM  
Do the math.

25,000 expected to be sold.
$600,000,000 invested.
So the setup/development costs of the first year vehicles is $24,000 EACH.

25k/year is too many vehicles to play the 'we're a low volume' manufacturer so we don't need to provide crash test vehicles like Aston, Ferrari, Lambo, and McLaren.  Emissions, setting up a service and dealer network, marketing, probably not cheap.

As the owner of three real Rovers between 25 and 49 years old:  come up with a different exterior design and stop imagining the environmentalists will let you drive something that isn't powered by magic beans on something other than pavement.
 
2020-07-02 12:11:40 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: mrmopar5287: Chemicals tycoon Sir Jim Ratcliffe decided to launch his own car company when Land Rover ceased production of the rugged off-roader in 2016.

Well, it's back for the 2020 model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L​and_Rover_Defender_(L663)

Doug DeMuro reviewed it as competent, capable, and decently priced.

The new one looks like a great car, but it's not the sort of thing farmers will buy to throw bales of hay and stray sheep into before hosing it out at the end of the day. It will be bought by posers, yummy mummies for the school run and rich execs to tow their jet ski.


Until you've had kids and realize that the ability to hose out the inside was a feature you really should have had on the list of "must haves" when shopping for the kid-hauler.

Maybe it's just my kids though.
 
2020-07-02 12:28:07 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.

Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.


He smokes the ganja mon.  fark I don't know, he's a little weird, but good weird; go watch one of his rockets land itself upright and tell me that isn't the good kind of weird.
 
2020-07-02 12:31:34 PM  

stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.


Lamborghini cars were started the same way.  Lamborghini started as a tractor manufacturer.  Ferruccio Lamborghini bought a Ferrari and had a world of problems with it.  When he complained, Enzo Ferrari basically hold him to pound salt, so went home and decided to build his own.

Porsche was similar.  Ferdinand Porsche started the company that eventually made the Volkswagen Beetle.  After his arrest, his son, Ferry, couldn't find a car on the market that he really wanted, so he decided to build his own.  The Porsche 356 was born.

It's a pretty common theme among car company origin stories.

Cadillac was started when Henry Ford had a dispute with his investors, and split from the company.  The investors were going to liquidate the factory, but the engineer they hired for appraising the liquidation convinced them to retool it and build their own car, instead.
 
2020-07-02 12:34:36 PM  

BourbonMakesItBetter: Carter Pewterschmidt: mrmopar5287: Chemicals tycoon Sir Jim Ratcliffe decided to launch his own car company when Land Rover ceased production of the rugged off-roader in 2016.

Well, it's back for the 2020 model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L​and_Rover_Defender_(L663)

Doug DeMuro reviewed it as competent, capable, and decently priced.

The new one looks like a great car, but it's not the sort of thing farmers will buy to throw bales of hay and stray sheep into before hosing it out at the end of the day. It will be bought by posers, yummy mummies for the school run and rich execs to tow their jet ski.

Until you've had kids and realize that the ability to hose out the inside was a feature you really should have had on the list of "must haves" when shopping for the kid-hauler.

Maybe it's just my kids though.


Ditto for pets. When I look at things like vehicles or kitchens, board an aircraft, etc. my mind immediately goes to "how does one clean or maintain this" or "it looks great new, how about an hour after someone actually starts using it".

/Haven't purchased a vehicle with cloth seats since 1998 and haven't had carpet since 2004.
//In another life I would have gone into industrial design.
 
2020-07-02 12:41:19 PM  

TWX: [O]ne can say that a K5 Blazer, a Ford Bronco, and a Dodge Ramcharger look an awful lot alike but are not the same vehicle.  Automotive designers have been "inspired" by each other constantly, so there's really nothing that Land Rover can complain about.


I think it looks like a early model Defender got it on with a Mercedes-Benz W460 G-Wagen (which is not the luxed-up G-Class) and had a babby.

And now, as a side note, a tear for the Toyota Land Cruiser, another legendary off-roader that became too majestic for mudding.
 
2020-07-02 12:44:56 PM  
Protip: Put a floor drain in the kids bathroom, install outdoor safe switches and outlets, weatherstrip the door and paint the walls, floor and CEILING with truck bed liner 'paint' (don't get Herculiner on your hootus).

Hose the whole room down with the handheld showerhead. Or just install fire sprinklers on a shutoff valve.

Also Protip: Never buy an English car, they just suck.
 
2020-07-02 12:48:30 PM  

TWX: For those that don't want a FOX link:

https://jalopnik.com/petrochemical-com​pany-ineos-is-going-to-build-this-rebo​-1844235745

In a nutshell, it doesn't use Land Rover parts, it isn't compatible with Land Rover parts, and while it may look a lot like a Landrover, one can say that a K5 Blazer, a Ford Bronco, and a Dodge Ramcharger look an awful lot alike but are not the same vehicle.  Automotive designers have been "inspired" by each other constantly, so there's really nothing that Land Rover can complain about.


So instead you link to a Gizmodo site?

Lol.

Oh, and I clicked on the Fox links five times while chanting your name, and made sure to click some ads in your honor.
 
2020-07-02 12:50:52 PM  
Assuming it's the same one, I've been to that pub.  Small place, a bit off the beaten path, but friendly service, pretty fantastic food, and a fun story.  Wife wanted me to find a place to have great beef wellington.  They delivered.

https://www.grenadierbelgravia.com/
 
2020-07-02 12:51:31 PM  

mrmopar5287: Chemicals tycoon Sir Jim Ratcliffe decided to launch his own car company when Land Rover ceased production of the rugged off-roader in 2016.

Well, it's back for the 2020 model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L​and_Rover_Defender_(L663)

Doug DeMuro reviewed it as competent, capable, and decently priced.


Yeah, but it isn't nothing like the original.

I mean, it's not bad. Just not the same.
 
2020-07-02 12:54:50 PM  

The knight who says EkiEkiPoontang: Also Protip: Never buy an English car, they just suck.


But they're Reliant
 
2020-07-02 1:00:49 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: There needs to be something made new that the third world can use in 20 years.  The old Soviet and Mercedes trucks and vans won't last forever, and bush mechanics don't have ODB2 readers and dealer only parts.


There was a fun situation back in the Falklands war with Mercedes 4X4s. The Argentinian's had a bunch they took over to the Falklands and the British obviously inherited when they took the islands back. So the British army thought "Well they're brand new and they're here so we might as well use them" and asked Mercedes for service manuals. Mercedes said the Argentines hadn't paid for them so they refused to supply manuals, or any spare parts unless the British paid the outstanding money owed. The Brits said "Sod that" and just used them until they broke down or fell apart from lack of spares.

Now personally if I was Mercedes I'd have thought this could have been a great in with the British forces. For the sake of supplying some service manuals and selling them spare parts the Brits could have thought they were great and who knows, maybe ordered a shiat ton more for use back in the UK?
But Mercedes blew it for the sake of supplying some service manuals.

/Someone said a few weeks ago that the new Defender also takes a non standard sized tyre that is super hard to find anywhere in Africa. No idea how true that is but if accurate it would seem to be another own goal.
 
2020-07-02 1:02:15 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.

Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.


He says dumb shiat on twitter.
 
2020-07-02 1:04:56 PM  

mrmopar5287: The specs of it (ground clearance, approach/departure angles, etc.) give it serious off-road capability.


I don't doubt that. It's whether someone will use these for serious off road work when they've paid £50k for one. If you're a farmer, builder, plumber or whatever the car is going to quickly look like shiat. And if it's going to look like shiat why spend £50k if a £30k machine will do the same job.
 
2020-07-02 1:07:57 PM  
You've definitely got Fark You money when you can launch your own spite car line.
 
2020-07-02 1:12:09 PM  

The knight who says EkiEkiPoontang: Protip: Put a floor drain in the kids bathroom, install outdoor safe switches and outlets, weatherstrip the door and paint the walls, floor and CEILING with truck bed liner 'paint' (don't get Herculiner on your hootus).

Hose the whole room down with the handheld showerhead. Or just install fire sprinklers on a shutoff valve.

Also Protip: Never buy an English car, they just suck.


Lucas electric: The only thing they make that doesn't suck is their vacuums.
 
2020-07-02 1:14:58 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.

Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.


Because he calls people pedophiles, wants to make his ronamobiles in tents, and is a stock manipulator.

His best idea was making rocket ships.
 
M-G [TotalFark]
2020-07-02 1:15:55 PM  
Did the judges who decided this have seeing-eye dogs?  It's a straight-up Defender clone.
 
2020-07-02 1:24:32 PM  

Marcos P: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.

Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.

He says dumb shiat on twitter.


I think people react negatively to Musk for legitimate reasons. He's got certain traits and techniques that make him an amazing entrepreneur, and he's earned enormous success admirably. At the same time, he does say some offensive and stupid stuff, regularly trolls internet users with teenager-level maturity, seems to have a susceptibility to believing dumb stuff (or maybe that's just trolling), doubles down rather than apologizes for stupid stuff kind of like Trump does, seems to lack a normal level of human empathy, and seems to increasingly believe he knows best, which sometimes he clearly does, but sometimes he clearly doesn't. So there are good things about him, and bad things, kinda like with most everyone.
 
2020-07-02 1:24:49 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: bush mechanics don't have ODB2 readers and dealer only parts.


This will motivate them to bring their logistics, supply chain, and postal service up to first world levels. That will have the side effect of increasing economic growth and employment.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-07-02 1:25:42 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And most importantly it can't just copy the Land Rover because the original LR doesn't come close to meeting all the safety regulations in countries around the world. It was grandfathered in in many areas but even that was pushing it.

I said when LR launched their new Defender that I thought they'd gone too upmarket and should have made a bare bones utility vehicle. But I suspected that when they restyled the Disco. The new (current) model got far sportier, luxurious and upmarket and I thought at the time that was to move it upmarket to make way for the new Defender. The new Defender is effectively the replacement for the old Disco, leaving the tough utility vehicle market empty for this guy to move into.


That was one of the most disappointing things with the new Defender.  While I don't agree with everything he says, Andrew White discussed the new Defender and basically his biggest criticism is that the only way to get the advanced features that would actually be worthwhile even with increased complexity means also having to buy other features that are not desirable for serious expeditionary offroading away from the support of civilization.  In particular he discussed the new optional advanced suspension system, but that it comes bundled with the big brakes that require 18" wheels.  This in turn becomes highly problematic both in terms of the ability to air-down and for tire availability in remote places in underdeveloped countries, where tires for 15" and 16" wheels are available in even fairly remote villages, but 17" are rare and anything larger for light-trucks are simply unheard of.

Unfortunately it looks like Land Rover has followed the same packaging/bundling model that many manufacturers have, where to get the better options the buyer wants, the buyer also has to get a bunch of other luxury options that one doesn't want.  In the United States this has often manifested with things like having to have the gussied-up interior, power-everything, and fancy aluminum alloy wheels in order to get the most powerful engine, adding another ten-grand to the price of the vehicle over and above what just adding the V8 would cost.

The days of the stripped-down Plymouth with radio-delete, a bench seat, vinyl floor, and a Hemi V8 are most definitely over.

Bimmer Jones: I think it looks like a early model Defender got it on with a Mercedes-Benz W460 G-Wagen (which is not the luxed-up G-Class) and had a babby.

And now, as a side note, a tear for the Toyota Land Cruiser, another legendary off-roader that became too majestic for mudding.


I actually like the military G-wagen a lot, a vehicle that one can open up all the doors and clean out with a garden hose.  But at least in the US, Mercedes Benz is trying to protect its image as a luxury marque and doesn't sell these.  Frankly I'm surprised that they sold the Sprinter and Metris as Mercedes-branded vehicles (admittedly with small windows of sales as Dodges and Freightliners) and that they didn't launch Daimler as a marque in order to sell commercial trucks in North America to separate them from the Mercedes Benz brand.

If I understand correctly, Mercedes Benz in Europe occupies a position more akin to Buick and Cadillac, having more mid-market offerings than in the US.
 
2020-07-02 1:28:59 PM  

almejita: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: stevenboof: Say what you want about this guy, but instead of just biatching online or at the pub, he says "fark it, I'll do this". Sure, he's rich as Fark, but still cool.

Then why does everyone bust Elon's grapes when he does it?  Serious question I don't know why he gets so much static.

He smokes the ganja mon.  fark I don't know, he's a little weird, but good weird; go watch one of his rockets land itself upright and tell me that isn't the good kind of weird.


If only he could stop saying stupid things about divers rescuing kids from a cave ... etc.
 
2020-07-02 1:34:04 PM  
Or you could just buy a Land Cruiser 70 series.  You'll only need one and it'll last a lifetime.

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