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2020-07-02 2:22:32 PM  
So 40 principals have been quarantined after being exposed to COVID, at a meeting on how to safely reopen their schools during the COVID outbreak?

Alannis Morissette seen adding another verse to her song...
 
2020-07-02 6:54:11 PM  
Might as well get it out of the way during summer. Get the immunity (hopefully) and you'll be all ready for school to start.
 
2020-07-02 6:54:39 PM  
the singing bridge will tell them when to reopen!
 
2020-07-02 6:56:04 PM  
Ummm... Article is about Santa Clara county, not the whole Bay Area. I guess putting 'San Francisco' in there is better for riling up the base.

Also, San Francisco is proceeding in the dumbest way possible too.
 
2020-07-02 6:59:42 PM  
Welp. Guess they got their answer.
 
2020-07-02 7:00:32 PM  
I've yet to meet a school principal that anyone considers "bright".
 
2020-07-02 7:00:51 PM  
Lol. We're all gonna be home schooling our kids this fall. Hope none of you needed to work for a living.
 
2020-07-02 7:03:34 PM  
I have been yelling at the clouds about this for at least a fortnight now. Everything is buggered, and we need to talk and have dialogue to solve this problem. Yet that is the problem, tribalism and confirmation bias that has prevented and corroded our societal unity, thus preventing dialogue, a crucial element in the functioning of democracy.

This article here kicked me in the dick. Here we are trying to solve problems, and this was a solid effort to do so, and we cant even talk to each other because of this farking virus, that is spreading farking uncontrollably, because asshat and chief and all of his farking dingbat automatons don't like to farking read.

And don't tell me online Zoom meetings or whatever "virtual communication" can fill the place of person-to-person communication. Online communication is inherently subjective and intelligent conversation is easily reduced  to logical fallacies and strait up bullhonkey. The politics tab is an excellent example of this.
 
2020-07-02 7:03:40 PM  

Nick Nostril: Lol. We're all gonna be home schooling our kids this fall. Hope none of you needed to work for a living.


fark that.  Plague or no plague, my rats are getting out of the house as soon as possible.  Our school district is thinking every other day for a few hours a day, which is certainly way better than nothing.
 
2020-07-02 7:04:42 PM  
The community college where i adjunct in texas decided to do online classes thru fall about 2 weeks ago. Texas!
 
2020-07-02 7:06:48 PM  
If those people can't meet in person without contracting the illness then it's beyond question that the schools aren't ready to reopen.
 
2020-07-02 7:07:12 PM  
I would end up having to question how capable these principals are to open their schools.   I guess this will be a test of how well you can have 40 people together in one room.  Can masked rational adults gather with 40 people and not become a spreading event?

Let's check back in a week and see how they test out.
 
2020-07-02 7:07:24 PM  
If only there was some kind of an institution that would've taught how viruses worked, among other things.
 
2020-07-02 7:07:53 PM  
stupid trumpers
 
2020-07-02 7:10:26 PM  
Idiots. We're teaching and learning online until at least 2021. The problem is that people who have been phoning in their careers now have a floodlight on their bullshiat. They have no idea what course to take. And now their colleagues are witness. This is both sad and beautiful.
 
2020-07-02 7:11:13 PM  
There are about four ways to open schools:

1. Do it completely normally with minimal changes.  The kids get Covid a lot less, and spread it a lot less, than adults do.  But, "a lot less" is probably not zero, so this ain't happening.

2. Spread everybody out six feet away from each other.  Problem with this is that you basically need to both build an entire new school to make everybody far enough apart, and you need to hire double the teachers to teach these 15 student classrooms.  Or you could have one set of classes from 6 am to 2 pm and one from 3 pm to 11 pm, but you still need double the teachers.  There's no budget for this, so this ain't happening.

3. Do another year of Zoom learning.  The parents will kill you, so this ain't happening.

4. So, you are left with the worst choice: Each day will be half Zoom (15 students), half real life (15 students), taught by one teacher total.  Nobody learns anything because running a Zoom classroom is tough enough; running a hybrid real world/Zoom one is even worse.  Parents are still pissed at having to stay home for two or three days a week, but slightly less than under #3.  But this is the only choice that is even theoretical possible.
 
2020-07-02 7:14:35 PM  

gadian: Nick Nostril: Lol. We're all gonna be home schooling our kids this fall. Hope none of you needed to work for a living.

fark that.  Plague or no plague, my rats are getting out of the house as soon as possible.  Our school district is thinking every other day for a few hours a day, which is certainly way better than nothing.


we've been given three options here and have been told to be prepared for any of them:

Normal school year
Modified school year (fewer students, less hours)
Remote schooling again

My wife is a teacher so I had Dad duty after our schools reopened for remote classes; I had fun.

I may be eating those words once it's snowing and minus 30 out.
 
2020-07-02 7:16:05 PM  
I knew it was going to be my old district. I just knew it.
 
2020-07-02 7:18:29 PM  

BraniacsDaughtr: I knew it was going to be my old district. I just knew it.


Buncha Brainiacs there, huh?
 
2020-07-02 7:25:07 PM  
Oh for Fark's sake, get with the f*cking times. We live in Two thousand and f*cking twenty. We have this thing called "video conferencing," and it is as common as, well, the internet. Unless you live in Boonie Hick Town USA there is no need to meet in person for something like this. 

No wonder we are the f*cking laughing stock of the entire world. But hey, we gots are freedumb!, right? So what is 130,000+ thousand dead in about 4 months, right?

If my company would let me I would move to the outskirts of Death Valley and work remotely for the rest of my life.
 
2020-07-02 7:29:49 PM  

Geotpf: 3. Do another year of Zoom learning.  The parents will kill you, so this ain't happening.


Go with option 3 and when the parents complain tell them, "F*ck off, your brats are not worth the health risk to our teachers and other staff. If you do not like it then home school your crotch fruit."

Yeah, this is why I am not in customer service. My filters are often broken or missing.
 
2020-07-02 7:35:40 PM  
Although it's preliminary, there is some growing data from contact tracing that shows that child to adult transmission of Covid-19 is significantly reduced. This is contrary to our experience with colds and the flu.

The most dangerous aspect of re-opening the schools is teacher to teach transmission and among the administrative staff.

Of course, even though child to adult, and child to child transmission is greatly reduced, it's still going to be necessary to limit contact between classes. And ultimately, that might not be enough because there are always siblings that can bridge that gap.

Further, even though it seems to be less infectious among younger kids, by the time you get up to older high school kids it's close to "normal" and by the time you get to high school you are of course mixing with different peers for different classes.

And then I've got this other issue with this in that the science isn't in on if the reduced spread is because fewer of those infected are shedding much virus or or what? So it could still be that you get supper spreaders among grade schoolers. We just don't know enough yet.
 
2020-07-02 7:37:02 PM  

Geotpf: There are about four ways to open schools:

1. Do it completely normally with minimal changes.  The kids get Covid a lot less, and spread it a lot less, than adults do.  But, "a lot less" is probably not zero, so this ain't happening.

2. Spread everybody out six feet away from each other.  Problem with this is that you basically need to both build an entire new school to make everybody far enough apart, and you need to hire double the teachers to teach these 15 student classrooms.  Or you could have one set of classes from 6 am to 2 pm and one from 3 pm to 11 pm, but you still need double the teachers.  There's no budget for this, so this ain't happening.

3. Do another year of Zoom learning.  The parents will kill you, so this ain't happening.

4. So, you are left with the worst choice: Each day will be half Zoom (15 students), half real life (15 students), taught by one teacher total.  Nobody learns anything because running a Zoom classroom is tough enough; running a hybrid real world/Zoom one is even worse.  Parents are still pissed at having to stay home for two or three days a week, but slightly less than under #3.  But this is the only choice that is even theoretical possible.


Most districts in TX so far are going with option 1 and pretending that we will be 6 feet away from each other. Our hands are pretty much tied. We are giving parents the option to choose digital learning if they do not want their children to go to school. This will not at all punish the poor for not being able to stay home with their kids.

I hate remote learning and am so ready to get back to school, even if I have to wear a suit made of Tyvek. But I'm also very skeptical of returning to school in a state that couldn't even pretend to acknowledge the federal government's guidelines for reopening. The state has made it very clear that they only care about school inasmuch as it will enable more people to go to work. Their disregard for human safety makes me sick.
 
2020-07-02 7:45:53 PM  
They can solve a sizable chunk of the schooling and unemployment problems with one easy step: declare every furloughed parent to be a deputy substitute teacher, and put them on the payroll for as long as their kids stay home and do distance learning.
 
2020-07-02 7:46:12 PM  
"It's unclear why the district's meeting was not held via video conference. "

I would like to buy a vowel.
 
2020-07-02 7:55:09 PM  
Just implant matrix style brain interfaces into the kids.  Have them shove a spike into their brain each morning and enter the matrix for their education.  Problem solved.  Or we need to institute breeding licenses and areas that can't keep the covid under control have their breeding licenses revoked.
 
2020-07-02 7:56:47 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Might as well get it out of the way during summer. Get the immunity (hopefully) and you'll be all ready for school to start.


THERES NO IMMUNITY, DOTARD
 
2020-07-02 7:58:16 PM  
My state is looking at 3 ways.

1st.  online learning with teachers setup to do 1 on 1 by setup times.
2nd.  kids at school for a few days a week with rest online(kids split into groups.  at school like every other day or such)
3rd normal school

number 2 sounds like it the way it go.
 
2020-07-02 8:05:41 PM  

jumac: My state is looking at 3 ways.

1st.  online learning with teachers setup to do 1 on 1 by setup times.
2nd.  kids at school for a few days a week with rest online(kids split into groups.  at school like every other day or such)
3rd normal school

number 2 sounds like it the way it go.


Why not #1?  If the kids don't perform at or above grade level, just jail the parents until the kid does perform at or above grade level.  If the the military style barracks are not motivating enough for the child, the parents stay in prison until the child is 18.  It will incentivise parents to only produce children when they think they are up to the responsibility.  You know, instead of producing children because they had one too many zima.  If people produced sentient robots willy nilly and programmed them the way people raise their children, the state would ban the willy nilly production of sentient robots.  The only difference is meat vs silicon.  We should treat the production of child units with the same reverence we have for the hypothetical production of sentient robots.
 
2020-07-02 8:08:41 PM  

lolmao500: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Might as well get it out of the way during summer. Get the immunity (hopefully) and you'll be all ready for school to start.

THERES NO IMMUNITY, DOTARD


Shows what you know. Bats are immune to it.
 
2020-07-02 8:09:53 PM  

Mock26: Oh for Fark's sake, get with the f*cking times. We live in Two thousand and f*cking twenty. We have this thing called "video conferencing," and it is as common as, well, the internet. Unless you live in Boonie Hick Town USA there is no need to meet in person for something like this. 

No wonder we are the f*cking laughing stock of the entire world. But hey, we gots are freedumb!, right? So what is 130,000+ thousand dead in about 4 months, right?

If my company would let me I would move to the outskirts of Death Valley and work remotely for the rest of my life.


You'd be surprised to know but a) many school districts are underfunded and b) a significant portion of American students do not have access to stable internet access and a laptop or desktop computer.
A good example is the San Mateo school district (in the heart of Silicon Valley): over 850 chromebooks were requested by families.  If a family has 3 kids, that means they need one laptop for each child for up to 8 hours a day.  Where is that funding going to come from? We're talking about an urban school district and I can't imagine the chaos in rural school districts that don't even have access to high speed broadband or wireless 4G service.
 
2020-07-02 8:20:18 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: Mock26: Oh for Fark's sake, get with the f*cking times. We live in Two thousand and f*cking twenty. We have this thing called "video conferencing," and it is as common as, well, the internet. Unless you live in Boonie Hick Town USA there is no need to meet in person for something like this. 

No wonder we are the f*cking laughing stock of the entire world. But hey, we gots are freedumb!, right? So what is 130,000+ thousand dead in about 4 months, right?

If my company would let me I would move to the outskirts of Death Valley and work remotely for the rest of my life.

You'd be surprised to know but a) many school districts are underfunded and b) a significant portion of American students do not have access to stable internet access and a laptop or desktop computer.
A good example is the San Mateo school district (in the heart of Silicon Valley): over 850 chromebooks were requested by families.  If a family has 3 kids, that means they need one laptop for each child for up to 8 hours a day.  Where is that funding going to come from? We're talking about an urban school district and I can't imagine the chaos in rural school districts that don't even have access to high speed broadband or wireless 4G service.


The rural area without stable internet access is where we live. Distance learning was a mess even for families that had computers for children to work with. And many did not. It will continue to be a mess again in Autumn. Our school's plan is to give each teacher a Zoom-type setup in their classroom. In the Spring, my kiddo's main teacher didn't even ever have an online meeting. I predict utter failure. Otoh, the next county's plan is to outfit every student with masks and goggles and forbid the use of any common areas-so no cafeteria, art, music, library, PE, or recess. Eight hours of sitting rigidly still in desks ought to go swimmingly.
 
2020-07-02 8:26:25 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: jumac: My state is looking at 3 ways.

1st.  online learning with teachers setup to do 1 on 1 by setup times.
2nd.  kids at school for a few days a week with rest online(kids split into groups.  at school like every other day or such)
3rd normal school

number 2 sounds like it the way it go.

Why not #1?  If the kids don't perform at or above grade level, just jail the parents until the kid does perform at or above grade level.


Exactly the sort of statement I would expect from someone who has never had to deal with choosing between working or watching over their kids.  Let's throw single moms into prison for daring to work double shifts to put food on the table.
 
2020-07-02 8:28:58 PM  

BlackPete: If only there was some kind of an institution that would've taught how viruses worked, among other things.


Like counting, for example.
 
2020-07-02 8:33:00 PM  

lolmao500: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Might as well get it out of the way during summer. Get the immunity (hopefully) and you'll be all ready for school to start.

THERES NO IMMUNITY, DOTARD


Did I miss the joke?
 
2020-07-02 8:43:26 PM  

OgreMagi: AmbassadorBooze: jumac: My state is looking at 3 ways.

1st.  online learning with teachers setup to do 1 on 1 by setup times.
2nd.  kids at school for a few days a week with rest online(kids split into groups.  at school like every other day or such)
3rd normal school

number 2 sounds like it the way it go.

Why not #1?  If the kids don't perform at or above grade level, just jail the parents until the kid does perform at or above grade level.

Exactly the sort of statement I would expect from someone who has never had to deal with choosing between working or watching over their kids.  Let's throw single moms into prison for daring to work double shifts to put food on the table.


I would also throw the male gamete doner in prison.  Don't make sentient beings if you cant properly care for them.

Seriously.  If people were making millions of sentient silicon based robots and programming them poorly, the world would come down like tungsten rods from god on the manufacturers.  Why should we bit imprison people who produce sentient beings and raise them poorly just because the beings are meat based and not metal based?  Is metal more important than meat based sentient beings?

Is it because making new sentient meat beings is easy?  All the billions of years of evolution to get to the point of sexual reproduction has been done, so nobody needs to regulate sentient being production?
 
2020-07-02 8:45:31 PM  

wademh: Although it's preliminary, there is some growing data from contact tracing that shows that child to adult transmission of Covid-19 is significantly reduced. This is contrary to our experience with colds and the flu.

The most dangerous aspect of re-opening the schools is teacher to teach transmission and among the administrative staff.

Of course, even though child to adult, and child to child transmission is greatly reduced, it's still going to be necessary to limit contact between classes. And ultimately, that might not be enough because there are always siblings that can bridge that gap.

Further, even though it seems to be less infectious among younger kids, by the time you get up to older high school kids it's close to "normal" and by the time you get to high school you are of course mixing with different peers for different classes.

And then I've got this other issue with this in that the science isn't in on if the reduced spread is because fewer of those infected are shedding much virus or or what? So it could still be that you get supper spreaders among grade schoolers. We just don't know enough yet.


My kid finally returned to daycare today. The entrance to the daycare is like an international border crossing. Temperature checks, questionnaire regarding COVID, and they won't let parents in - only the kids. And at the first sign of the sniffles they'll deport the little disease vector for two weeks.
 
2020-07-02 8:54:47 PM  
Is the IRONIC tag out to dinner?
 
2020-07-02 9:19:01 PM  

Russ1642: wademh: Although it's preliminary, there is some growing data from contact tracing that shows that child to adult transmission of Covid-19 is significantly reduced. This is contrary to our experience with colds and the flu.

The most dangerous aspect of re-opening the schools is teacher to teach transmission and among the administrative staff.

Of course, even though child to adult, and child to child transmission is greatly reduced, it's still going to be necessary to limit contact between classes. And ultimately, that might not be enough because there are always siblings that can bridge that gap.

Further, even though it seems to be less infectious among younger kids, by the time you get up to older high school kids it's close to "normal" and by the time you get to high school you are of course mixing with different peers for different classes.

And then I've got this other issue with this in that the science isn't in on if the reduced spread is because fewer of those infected are shedding much virus or or what? So it could still be that you get supper spreaders among grade schoolers. We just don't know enough yet.

My kid finally returned to daycare today. The entrance to the daycare is like an international border crossing. Temperature checks, questionnaire regarding COVID, and they won't let parents in - only the kids. And at the first sign of the sniffles they'll deport the little disease vector for two weeks.


Schools and daycares are a good candidate for pooled testing. collect saliva swabs front 10 kids into one tube twice a week. If it lights up positive, you have to test the 10 individually but the whole class goes into quarantine. entire household for each exposed kid gets a pooled test 7 and 14 days later. Household must be negative for kid to return.

So if some kid turns positive and you've got to take your kid out for 14 days, and then you go back, and then a week later it happens again --- well your community is not ready for schools to be in session.

There are some variations here. You might not need to send the whole class home into isolation on the first positive test. But if there is a 2nd positive --- indicating that there was "classroom spread", then they all get sent home. If this happens in more than 2 classrooms at a medium sized school, you might have to do a school-wide closing.

Exactly how fast and drastic a reaction is open to some debate but the potential for schools to be superspreader foci remains even if there's some reduced infectivity in kids. The idea of real-time experimenting with kids is rather repulsive but in some ways there's no choice. The trick is, you reopen the schools because you think there's an opportunity but you back it up with significant testing and a willingness to shut things down and reboot.

All the same, it's a major challenge to teachers. A dear friend teaches in South Australia. They've done a good job of shutting down the pandemic. But they had the teachers spend a month preparing to give their lessons on-line, learn new software, change lesson plans --- then 90% of kids showed up to school in person.

Whatever people may think, teachers don't just show up and wing it everyday, or just assign the next chapter in the textbook.
 
2020-07-02 9:20:11 PM  
I'm in Washington State, and our county is still in phase 1 of the lockdown -- people at large won't get their shiat together, and cases are skyrocketing because way too many people refuse to comply with the statewide mandatory mask order.
(local sheriff announced ahead of time that they would not be enforcing the governor's mask wearing order, and easily 20% of the shoppers in the grocery store still don't wear one and won't practice social distancing either. Many of the stores have a sign saying masks are required, but won't call anyone out on it. Lots of people appear almost proud to defy the governor's orders, because their freedumbs trump booklearnin'.)

Of course people are biatching that they aren't allowed to get a haircut yet. So of course the logical response in the community has been to organize a 4th of July parade of stupidity (including throwing candy at kids along the route) to show the governor that real Americans don't lets themselves be told what to do.

You sure showed him, Cletus -- Good luck being stuck in phase 1 forever.

/Morons
//Morons
///Morons
////Morons.
//Morons
//Even six slashies aren't enough for those morons.
 
2020-07-02 9:31:59 PM  

August11: Idiots. We're teaching and learning online until at least 2021. The problem is that people who have been phoning in their careers now have a floodlight on their bullshiat. They have no idea what course to take. And now their colleagues are witness. This is both sad and beautiful.


A local community college here keeps moving it's dates back by like 3 weeks at a time. I wonder how much that's costing (in my tax dollars) for continually replanning, loss of tuition as students get sick of zero reliable messaging, leaving profs with no idea what they should make a curriculum for, etc.

The higher your position in higher education, the less of your education you've retained to use at your job.
 
2020-07-02 9:58:08 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: Mock26: Oh for Fark's sake, get with the f*cking times. We live in Two thousand and f*cking twenty. We have this thing called "video conferencing," and it is as common as, well, the internet. Unless you live in Boonie Hick Town USA there is no need to meet in person for something like this. 

No wonder we are the f*cking laughing stock of the entire world. But hey, we gots are freedumb!, right? So what is 130,000+ thousand dead in about 4 months, right?

If my company would let me I would move to the outskirts of Death Valley and work remotely for the rest of my life.

You'd be surprised to know but a) many school districts are underfunded and b) a significant portion of American students do not have access to stable internet access and a laptop or desktop computer.
A good example is the San Mateo school district (in the heart of Silicon Valley): over 850 chromebooks were requested by families.  If a family has 3 kids, that means they need one laptop for each child for up to 8 hours a day.  Where is that funding going to come from? We're talking about an urban school district and I can't imagine the chaos in rural school districts that don't even have access to high speed broadband or wireless 4G service.


I was talking about the meeting of school officials.
 
2020-07-02 11:00:00 PM  

meerclarschild: AllCatsAreBeautiful: Mock26: Oh for Fark's sake, get with the f*cking times. We live in Two thousand and f*cking twenty. We have this thing called "video conferencing," and it is as common as, well, the internet. Unless you live in Boonie Hick Town USA there is no need to meet in person for something like this. 

No wonder we are the f*cking laughing stock of the entire world. But hey, we gots are freedumb!, right? So what is 130,000+ thousand dead in about 4 months, right?

If my company would let me I would move to the outskirts of Death Valley and work remotely for the rest of my life.

You'd be surprised to know but a) many school districts are underfunded and b) a significant portion of American students do not have access to stable internet access and a laptop or desktop computer.
A good example is the San Mateo school district (in the heart of Silicon Valley): over 850 chromebooks were requested by families.  If a family has 3 kids, that means they need one laptop for each child for up to 8 hours a day.  Where is that funding going to come from? We're talking about an urban school district and I can't imagine the chaos in rural school districts that don't even have access to high speed broadband or wireless 4G service.

The rural area without stable internet access is where we live. Distance learning was a mess even for families that had computers for children to work with. And many did not. It will continue to be a mess again in Autumn. Our school's plan is to give each teacher a Zoom-type setup in their classroom. In the Spring, my kiddo's main teacher didn't even ever have an online meeting. I predict utter failure. Otoh, the next county's plan is to outfit every student with masks and goggles and forbid the use of any common areas-so no cafeteria, art, music, library, PE, or recess. Eight hours of sitting rigidly still in desks ought to go swimmingly.


I think many children are going to be left behind with zero education like in Syria or Brazil. The Bay Area school districts have more or less throw up their hands in defeat with regards to special education. My neighbor is a middle school math teacher and he's giving out passing grades to everyone that is not showing up to Zoom classes or turning in homework.
/the USA is a developing country...
 
2020-07-02 11:52:25 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: I think many children are going to be left behind with zero education like in Syria or Brazil. The Bay Area school districts have more or less throw up their hands in defeat with regards to special education. My neighbor is a middle school math teacher and he's giving out passing grades to everyone that is not showing up to Zoom classes or turning in homework.
/the USA is a developing country...


Nah, they won't be left behind -- they'll just get to pity-"graduate" and get their papers, devaluing it for everyone.

Heck, Georgia issued 20,000 teenagers their drivers licenses in April alone, without any road test whatsoever due to corona. Those kids are now fully licensed drive a three ton death machine down your street all by themselves.

/At the barest of minimums they should have given them time-limited probationary licenses, and require them to come back for a road test to exchange for a full license at a future date once it was safe to do so...
//Makes me wonder what would happen if they kill someone, driving around -- could the victim's family sue the state for issuing a license without due diligence?
 
2020-07-02 11:52:54 PM  

Excelsior: AllCatsAreBeautiful: I think many children are going to be left behind with zero education like in Syria or Brazil. The Bay Area school districts have more or less throw up their hands in defeat with regards to special education. My neighbor is a middle school math teacher and he's giving out passing grades to everyone that is not showing up to Zoom classes or turning in homework.
/the USA is a developing country...

Nah, they won't be left behind -- they'll just get to pity-"graduate" and get their papers, devaluing it for everyone.

Heck, Georgia issued 20,000 teenagers their drivers licenses in April alone, without any road test whatsoever due to corona. Those kids are now fully licensed drive a three ton death machine down your street all by themselves.


Linky:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/​05/07/us/​georgia-teen-driving-test-coronavirus.​html
 
2020-07-03 12:25:45 AM  

Excelsior: Excelsior: AllCatsAreBeautiful: I think many children are going to be left behind with zero education like in Syria or Brazil. The Bay Area school districts have more or less throw up their hands in defeat with regards to special education. My neighbor is a middle school math teacher and he's giving out passing grades to everyone that is not showing up to Zoom classes or turning in homework.
/the USA is a developing country...

Nah, they won't be left behind -- they'll just get to pity-"graduate" and get their papers, devaluing it for everyone.

Heck, Georgia issued 20,000 teenagers their drivers licenses in April alone, without any road test whatsoever due to corona. Those kids are now fully licensed drive a three ton death machine down your street all by themselves.

Linky:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0​5/07/us/georgia-teen-driving-test-coro​navirus.html


Yep. I remember seeing this being linked on here. It's ridiculous behavior unfit for a developed superpower.
 
2020-07-03 12:29:06 PM  

wademh: Russ1642: wademh: Although it's preliminary, there is some growing data from contact tracing that shows that child to adult transmission of Covid-19 is significantly reduced. This is contrary to our experience with colds and the flu.

The most dangerous aspect of re-opening the schools is teacher to teach transmission and among the administrative staff.

Of course, even though child to adult, and child to child transmission is greatly reduced, it's still going to be necessary to limit contact between classes. And ultimately, that might not be enough because there are always siblings that can bridge that gap.

Further, even though it seems to be less infectious among younger kids, by the time you get up to older high school kids it's close to "normal" and by the time you get to high school you are of course mixing with different peers for different classes.

And then I've got this other issue with this in that the science isn't in on if the reduced spread is because fewer of those infected are shedding much virus or or what? So it could still be that you get supper spreaders among grade schoolers. We just don't know enough yet.

My kid finally returned to daycare today. The entrance to the daycare is like an international border crossing. Temperature checks, questionnaire regarding COVID, and they won't let parents in - only the kids. And at the first sign of the sniffles they'll deport the little disease vector for two weeks.

Schools and daycares are a good candidate for pooled testing. collect saliva swabs front 10 kids into one tube twice a week. If it lights up positive, you have to test the 10 individually but the whole class goes into quarantine. entire household for each exposed kid gets a pooled test 7 and 14 days later. Household must be negative for kid to return.

So if some kid turns positive and you've got to take your kid out for 14 days, and then you go back, and then a week later it happens again --- well your community is not ready for schools to be ...


We have so much testing capacity there are billboards up asking non-symptomatic people to get tested. Pretty sure that if they want to test everyone at a daycare they can without resorting to pooling samples.
 
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