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2020-07-02 10:23:14 AM  
12 votes:
Arguing on Facebook is its own punishment.

Unlike arguing on FARK.
 
2020-07-02 10:29:32 AM  
8 votes:
So you guys all realize this is a fake narrative right? Facebook has been notorious for disenfranchising the right on their platform. Now they're being accused of helping the right and disenfranchising the left? Something isn't right here. We are being lied to our faces. Who can really sit here and feel confident that these corporations really have us in mind, especially after keeping up with recent news cycles that have been contradictory to this manufactured narrative.
 
2020-07-02 10:33:09 AM  
5 votes:
Good. The liberal left has broadened their definition of "hate speech" to the point of absurdity, and freedom of speech is only okay as long as you agree with them.

I don't use Facebook nor care for Zuckerburg, but kudos to him for standing up against the stupidity and supporting free speech. He is correct and advertisers will be back. They certainly don't have a problem advertising in countries like China
 
2020-07-02 10:23:03 AM  
4 votes:
Hatebook
 
2020-07-02 12:17:38 PM  
3 votes:
The Zook's handlers have been trying to teach him how to smile normally.
Fark user imageView Full Size

Thus far they have been unsuccessful.
Still the Dark Prince of The Uncanny Valley.
 
2020-07-02 11:38:44 AM  
3 votes:

inglixthemad: That's a nice brave act boyo. We'll see if you keep saying that when the share price is going down hard. My guess is you'll knuckle under to stay rich.


I hope the Board of Directors will step in soon.  FB has already lost something like $60B in market capital, and the BoD has a fiduciary duty to rein in a rogue CEO.  They don't act, they get sued by the other shareholders.  Zuck won't pay; the Directors will.

Oh, to see Zuck booted as the CEO of his baby...
 
2020-07-02 10:32:05 AM  
3 votes:

Alwysadydrmr: jso2897: Fox News has become like a big, stupid St. Bernard puppy that comes galumphing in excitedly with every dead animal it finds.

Don't farking insult St. Bernards like that. They're a million times better than fox will ever be.


Especially the ones with little barrels of booze
 
2020-07-02 10:24:22 AM  
3 votes:
Fox News has become like a big, stupid St. Bernard puppy that comes galumphing in excitedly with every dead animal it finds.
 
2020-07-02 2:10:05 PM  
2 votes:

CanisNoir: AmbassadorBooze: Time to stop using face book.  If you are anti trump, and you should be, you MUST delete your Facebook account.  And if you are in a state like CA, have FB erase your data.

Is there a reason your natural inclination was to tell everyone else what to do and how they should be thinking instead of just expressing your view and assuming everyone else on this site has their own agency and can make decisions on their own?


Because people are still on face book.  If all the good people deleted their accounts, Facebook would crumble.  So, since Facebook still exists, it must mean good people don't know they can just delete their accounts.  Facebook is a tool of faciasts, billionaires, mega corps, and the trump.  Good people should delete their accounts, maybe they just don't know it is possible.  Like people who think "I have to be in credit card debt up to my eyeballs because if the Joneses see that I don't have 13 jet skis, they might not like me".
 
2020-07-02 1:06:32 PM  
2 votes:
How many billions will Zuckerberg save if Trump is re-elected? Dems would eat him alive to redistribute his wealth. Facebook got trump elected the first time around. Zuckerberg alone controls around 60% of the voting shares. Absurd, the power he's holding. More than a normal billionaire.

CoC might not be approaching this from the right angle. Yesterday on Bloomberg, their spokesperson said Facebook need to 'meet a list of demands'. That doesn't sound like a conversation or negotiation to me.

I think Facebook will be regulated in the near future.
 
2020-07-02 12:05:58 PM  
2 votes:
Time to stop using face book.  If you are anti trump, and you should be, you MUST delete your Facebook account.  And if you are in a state like CA, have FB erase your data.
 
2020-07-02 12:01:17 PM  
2 votes:
Facebook is well on its way to being the next MySpace... good riddance.
 
2020-07-02 11:00:55 AM  
2 votes:
I cannot farking wait for his principals to collide with shareholder interest & actual farking profits.  If I was in any position to control a large marketing budget, I would keep my money off facebook just for the sake of forcing Zuckerberg to eat his words. He's not operating on some vision quest, he's mining user data to sell advertising space. He's not a farking profit. Christ, what an asshole.

/end rant
 
2020-07-02 10:59:46 AM  
2 votes:

altomah: altomah: waxbeans: Sumo Surfer: Good. The liberal left has broadened their definition of "hate speech" to the point of absurdity, and freedom of speech is only okay as long as you agree with them.

I don't use Facebook nor care for Zuckerburg, but kudos to him for standing up against the stupidity and supporting free speech. He is correct and advertisers will be back. They certainly don't have a problem advertising in countries like China

Hate is not speech we've just convinced ourselves that is


Facebook is the worlds largest publisher.

I can't buy a radio spot claiming that the doctors in my city are lying to the public to implant a microchip into out children.  The radio station won't sell me that ad because it's libellous.

I can't buy a TV ad to proclaim the superiority of the white race and call for white people to put down protesters like dogs in the street - they won't sell me that ad because it invites violence.

But Facebook will sell you that ad. They are pretending they are not the worlds largest publisher....while selling ads in the worlds largest publication.

They need tot be held to the same laws as every Publisher and hold them legally accountable for the contnt they publish.


Meh.
If people are taking things on the internet serious. So be it.  Kills people? Meh!
The government made the internet real. And people made it real.
And they did it to make money.
That isn't Facebook fault.
ALSO, we don't stand up for our self there is always one ass that lets a prospective employer ask them for their Facebook.
Scabs ruin the world.
if people will not  unionize and stand up against the powers-that-be they deserve to be crushed and killed by the powers-that-be if that power to be happens to be Facebook so be it.
 
2020-07-02 10:50:45 AM  
2 votes:
Shady product marketers know if they want to get their advertising in front of the dumbest, most credulous simpletons out there, Facebook is by far the best way to go.  Even better than Fox News, and that's saying something.
 
2020-07-02 10:38:02 AM  
2 votes:

waxbeans: Artist: UberDave: The thing is, with most people, I don't think Facebook is "convincing" them of anything they didn't already subscribe to.  It just allows people with dip-shiat, emotionally driven beliefs to group together and embolden each other.  And that group becomes so solid that no actual facts or proof or logic will penetrate it.  Even if one of them, a family member, friend from high school, whatever, is arguing the negative against five people in a news feed, they *know* the group is there for them to fall back to.

Aaannnddd......this always comes to mind......

[Fark user image image 850x637]

The collective from Star wars next generation


"Star wars next generation"?  That's either matter-antimatter level trolling, or else one of the best brainfarts ever!
 
2020-07-02 10:31:01 AM  
2 votes:

BFletch651: Arguing on Facebook is its own punishment.

Unlike arguing on FARK.


I've learned a LOT over the years, arguing on Fark. We have some really smart, educated folks around these parts.

And - no exaggeration - those conversations over the years were a key part of me deciding to no longer be a "conservative" Republican as I'd been raised, and instead work my way in to where I am today on the political left somewhere on the spectrum of the left around Bernie Sanders.
 
2020-07-02 10:30:28 AM  
2 votes:

holdmybones: I"m sure russia and china will happily continue to shovel him money to drive a wedge between our citizens. Not that we need a lot of help.


Oh yeah I'd so make friends with racist white people if it wasn't for Facebook
 
2020-07-02 10:24:24 AM  
2 votes:
TFA headline: Zuckerberg says advertising boycott won't change Facebook's principles

Can't change what you don't have.
 
2020-07-02 7:29:23 PM  
1 vote:

CanisNoir: AmbassadorBooze: Because people are still on face book. If all the good people deleted their accounts, Facebook would crumble. So, since Facebook still exists, it must mean good people don't know they can just delete their accounts. Facebook is a tool of faciasts, billionaires, mega corps, and the trump. Good people should delete their accounts, maybe they just don't know it is possible. Like people who think "I have to be in credit card debt up to my eyeballs because if the Joneses see that I don't have 13 jet skis, they might not like me".

Can you define for me who these "good people" are that you are talking about and by who's definition are you labeling them "good"?  The Christian definition, Muslim, Socialist, Capitalist?

Everybody will have a different definition of "good" based upon their individual experience and what they deem more valuable and moral to them. Which person are you claiming has the ultimate moral authority to define "good" so that you feel justified in telling the entire site of Fark what to do and what to think?

Do you believe your mindset in any way demonstrates just a whiff of Authoritarianism?


Not bad people.  People who are anti Nazi, anti trump (but I repeat myself), and people who are pro science and  don't believe in sky wizards.  Oh, and not white people.  They have the sin of slavery and Nazi in their genes.
 
2020-07-02 2:02:13 PM  
1 vote:
I love the quote that the advertisers are pulling their ads to save money.

No, dumbass, advertisers buy ads because they believe there will be a profit return greater than the ad expense.  They are actuslly losing money by pulling ads.
 
2020-07-02 1:36:02 PM  
1 vote:

ThieveryCorp: So you guys all realize this is a fake narrative right? Facebook has been notorious for disenfranchising the right on their platform. Now they're being accused of helping the right and disenfranchising the left? Something isn't right here. We are being lied to our faces. Who can really sit here and feel confident that these corporations really have us in mind, especially after keeping up with recent news cycles that have been contradictory to this manufactured narrative.


That's hysterically wrong. I guess you spend too much time on stormfront.
 
2020-07-02 12:43:03 PM  
1 vote:
I find the ideas of free speach and the label of hate speech to be mutually exclusive.

If we do have free speech then all speech is just perfectly equally the same free speech, so go  pack your judgements and shove them back in your ass.

IF we have some speech that is bad ot have that is hate and needs to be labeled in away to say, the fook we want none of that....well then it's not exactly free to speak it, so you ain't giving the right to freely speech, which means we don't have the right to that then.

If Uncle sam won't put you in the house of pain for what you say, but you still wind up jobless or friendless or publicly ridiculed for what you said. then  the fook you don;t have no right to speak freely at all.
The govt not giving you the stick for what you say is only half the way to freedom of speech.
To actually have the right to freely speak HAS TO BE GIVEN BY EVERYONE AROUND YOU.


Don't get me wrong here, i'm not advocating ror the hate speech. i am saying the stupid monkey bairns don;t have the mental faculties to uphold the responsibility of granting that freedom to others or using that freedom themselves responsibly.

I think anyone that asks facebook/twitter/private corporation ____, to refuse the freedom of speech to some on their platform, while they would claim the govt can't interfere in the freedom of speech. WTF if that? You're just a total chicken shiat jack rag if you hide behind a corporate banner while you attempt to deny others the same freedom of speech you expect to have there.


Either be real and openly say: we should not have the right in the first place.
Or stop judging and trying to censor/supress what you do not like.

but this fooking bs of pretending to support with freedom of speech while you explicitly attempt to interfere with access to the freedom of speech tools, is some lame ass chit that makes it so i can;t tell the difference between a true trumper and any other rando authoritarian a hole.
 
2020-07-02 12:35:45 PM  
1 vote:

UberDave: The thing is, with most people, I don't think Facebook is "convincing" them of anything they didn't already subscribe to.


My parents were traditional conservatives in the George W. Bush variety. But they only became Trumpers after constant, repeated exposure to crap in their Facebook filter bubble. They were slowly pushed further and further right over the years and now believe crap that they had never believed before.

Constant exposure to propaganda over the long-term has a definite effect on people. Just see the documentary The Brainwashing of My Dad on how someone went from supporting Barack Obama to becoming insane after too much Fox News and the like.
 
2020-07-02 12:19:52 PM  
1 vote:

Alwysadydrmr: jso2897: Fox News has become like a big, stupid St. Bernard puppy that comes galumphing in excitedly with every dead animal it finds.

Don't farking insult St. Bernards like that. They're a million times better than fox will ever be.


Point taken.
 
2020-07-02 11:42:46 AM  
1 vote:

stuffy: Why do all these guys have such punchable faces?


Maybe the qualities of being a decent person are stored in the chin? Mind you, Jay Leno would have to be the exception that proves the rule
 
2020-07-02 11:33:18 AM  
1 vote:
It truly is the end of the world. I'm on the side of Facebook.


The largest companies on the internet have been regulating speech for the last 10 years, are there any positive results from this? I mean sure the Little Gobbels podcast can't raise their 50 dollars a month via PayPal if people protest enough, but has the attempt to curb hate speech had any effect in curbing rl hate?
 
2020-07-02 11:29:51 AM  
1 vote:

Sumo Surfer: Good. The liberal left has broadened their definition of "hate speech" to the point of absurdity, and freedom of speech is only okay as long as you agree with them.

I don't use Facebook nor care for Zuckerburg, but kudos to him for standing up against the stupidity and supporting free speech. He is correct and advertisers will be back. They certainly don't have a problem advertising in countries like China


People who are to moronic to understand a simple concept like Free Speech, are in fact, morons, like you.
 
2020-07-02 11:20:12 AM  
1 vote:
Why do all these guys have such punchable faces?
 
2020-07-02 11:13:20 AM  
1 vote:
He's already negotiating with the Citrical and My pillow people.
 
2020-07-02 10:54:35 AM  
1 vote:
"Increasingly, we're getting called to censor a lot of different kinds of content that makes me really uncomfortable. I think it kind of feels like the list of things that you are not allowed to say socially keeps on growing. And I'm not really okay with that," he said in January at the Silicon Slopes Tech Summit. "We're going to take down the content that's really harmful, but the line needs to be held at some point."


I despise Facebook for a number of reasons and deleted my account a while ago but I actually agree with him on this. I'm very anti-censorship, always have been and always will be. Celebrating banned books week and all that. I think that intent and context needs to be considered in all situations. If a group is out there actually inciting hate or spreading lies based on gender or race than go on and taken them down. But if someone is posting something that is clearly mocking racists or uses questionable language because it's an academic essay discussing how language changes over the centuries, no. Also, some of the things people want labeled as hate speech are getting absolutely ridiculous. A friend of mine got a 3 day ban because she used the word "weirdo" to describe a rude woman she'd witnessed yelling at a cashier and someone reported it as ableist language. There has to be a line. A vague "we want you to ban hate speech" without a very clearly established definition of what that means is kind of uncomfortable when words that have nothing to do with race, gender, health or age suddenly become problematic.
 
2020-07-02 10:43:05 AM  
1 vote:
So many news rooms are dead because Facebook lied about their numbers to advertisers and they had a pittance of a fine for it
 
2020-07-02 10:42:41 AM  
1 vote:

baronm: waxbeans: Artist: UberDave: The thing is, with most people, I don't think Facebook is "convincing" them of anything they didn't already subscribe to.  It just allows people with dip-shiat, emotionally driven beliefs to group together and embolden each other.  And that group becomes so solid that no actual facts or proof or logic will penetrate it.  Even if one of them, a family member, friend from high school, whatever, is arguing the negative against five people in a news feed, they *know* the group is there for them to fall back to.

Aaannnddd......this always comes to mind......

[Fark user image image 850x637]

The collective from Star wars next generation

"Star wars next generation"?  That's either matter-antimatter level trolling, or else one of the best brainfarts ever!


All of the above.
About to be 10 am my time.
Got a good buzz going.
I use voice to text.
Meant to say Star trek.
I'm pretty sure I did say Star trek.
Saw that it  was Star wars

But not soon enough
And part of me was meh
 
2020-07-02 10:41:27 AM  
1 vote:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: UberDave: The thing is, with most people, I don't think Facebook is "convincing" them of anything they didn't already subscribe to.  It just allows people with dip-shiat, emotionally driven beliefs to group together and embolden each other.  And that group becomes so solid that no actual facts or proof or logic will penetrate it.  Even if one of them, a family member, friend from high school, whatever, is arguing the negative against five people in a news feed, they *know* the group is there for them to fall back to.

So like Fark?


There are plenty of people who are on-the-edge because of issues unrelated to politics or hate.  Facebook helps these people empathize with other people who are going through similar things.  The problem is these "friends" created scapegoats for their problems.  If their having trouble with their wife, it's because things were better when women didn't work.  That turns into a belief that women are inferior.  Like guns?  Well guess what?  You can justify yourself by pointing out how someone you only learned about because someone copied and pasted their story on Facebook, was robbed by a Black man and wouldn't have been if they had a modified AR-15.  Suddenly, Black people are a problem than needs to be controlled with LAW AND ORDER!!!

Facebook makes money when their users interact with ads and when their is a perception that advertising on Facebook helps create awareness.  Facebook has identified conservatives as easy marks.  So, it amplifies the amount of extremist content they see.  How do you sell a "TRUMP 2020:  NO MORE BULLSHIAT" flag?  You convince someone to go to the All Lives Matter counter protest and sell them one at your booth.  The deeper the divisions, the more energized the users will be about spending money to support their side.  I won't buy a MAGA hat, but I'll buy one with a thin blue line and a Punisher logo because I saw a meme that said "Nobody ever got arrested for not doing anything illegal." - which on it's surface is bullshiat, but the division is so great the conservatives are blind to it's ridiculousness.
 
2020-07-02 10:39:17 AM  
1 vote:
Wait, let me understand this, Clinton won nearly 3 million MORE votes than Trump, and yet FB swayed the election?  Seems like Hillary was a little weak in her Electoral College strategy.

After COVID, I wonder if the dense (in both ways) Blue Cities will start thinning out, redistributing Blue voters across the states?

If those nearly 3 million votes (most of the extra votes being in CA, as 50%+1 was all that was needed for 54 EVs) were dropped into Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, Clinton would be President.

But of course it was the fault of Russia, Ukraine, Facebook.
 
2020-07-02 10:34:32 AM  
1 vote:

Artist: UberDave: The thing is, with most people, I don't think Facebook is "convincing" them of anything they didn't already subscribe to.  It just allows people with dip-shiat, emotionally driven beliefs to group together and embolden each other.  And that group becomes so solid that no actual facts or proof or logic will penetrate it.  Even if one of them, a family member, friend from high school, whatever, is arguing the negative against five people in a news feed, they *know* the group is there for them to fall back to.

Aaannnddd......this always comes to mind......

[Fark user image image 850x637]


The collective from Star wars next generation
 
2020-07-02 10:30:26 AM  
1 vote:

UberDave: The thing is, with most people, I don't think Facebook is "convincing" them of anything they didn't already subscribe to.  It just allows people with dip-shiat, emotionally driven beliefs to group together and embolden each other.  And that group becomes so solid that no actual facts or proof or logic will penetrate it.  Even if one of them, a family member, friend from high school, whatever, is arguing the negative against five people in a news feed, they *know* the group is there for them to fall back to.


Aaannnddd......this always comes to mind......

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-07-02 10:24:56 AM  
1 vote:

UberDave: The thing is, with most people, I don't think Facebook is "convincing" them of anything they didn't already subscribe to.  It just allows people with dip-shiat, emotionally driven beliefs to group together and embolden each other.  And that group becomes so solid that no actual facts or proof or logic will penetrate it.  Even if one of them, a family member, friend from high school, whatever, is arguing the negative against five people in a news feed, they *know* the group is there for them to fall back to.


So like Fark?
 
2020-07-02 9:41:04 AM  
1 vote:
The thing is, with most people, I don't think Facebook is "convincing" them of anything they didn't already subscribe to.  It just allows people with dip-shiat, emotionally driven beliefs to group together and embolden each other.  And that group becomes so solid that no actual facts or proof or logic will penetrate it.  Even if one of them, a family member, friend from high school, whatever, is arguing the negative against five people in a news feed, they *know* the group is there for them to fall back to.
 
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