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(The Daily Beast)   At the upcoming Presidential debates, it won't be Trump vs. Biden. It will be Biden vs. himself   (thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2020-07-02 8:46:41 AM  
No1curr. Biden. The next best thing to a guillotine.
 
2020-07-02 8:47:32 AM  
(talking about Obama) The president had come across as aloof, professorial, and disengaged in front of an audience of 67 million people-and it had cost him dearly

It was a Presidential debate. Was he supposed to smash a watermelon at the crowd? Anyway, I don't think it cost him too dearly. We don't have a President Romney, do we?

When I read the headline I thought it meant Trump is going to back out of the debates, which I still think he will do. Trump can't answer softball questions from Fox News. If Biden simply asks him what his replacement plan for Obamacare is, why Mexico hasn't paid for the wall and why he's constantly playing golf when he said he never would, Trump will start crying like a biatch.That's not even getting into the actual crimes and overall farkups Trump's done.
 
2020-07-02 8:55:04 AM  
Who's got the empty chair, now?
 
2020-07-02 9:55:12 AM  
Brave little Bunker Boi, the Trumpenfurhrer himself, ran away?
Unpossible that.
Must be bone spurs.

They hurts.  Even on ramps, they a-hurtin'
And hand spurs.  Keep you from drinking water.

So I hear.  Hey, look, another eclipse incoming.
 
2020-07-02 10:28:13 AM  
"Meanwhile, Trump hasn't spoken to a non-toadie since the 1980s. He's incapable of relating to any human, much less a stranger."

I say goddamn.
 
2020-07-02 10:52:40 AM  
If their side is ignoring repeated treason and murder, I think our side can ignore an occasional verbal gaffe.
 
2020-07-02 10:53:39 AM  
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2020-07-02 10:54:51 AM  
While they're busy reaching this farking hard, maybe they can help somebody get a kite out of a tree or frisbee off their roof.
 
2020-07-02 10:56:52 AM  
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2020-07-02 10:57:14 AM  
I have a mixed mind on whether or not the debates will be good for Biden.

There is clearly no question that even though he's prone to gaffs, he's far better spoken, far more informed, more intelligent, more likable, and more professional than Trump. If the debates were about SUBSTANCE, Biden would absolutely mop the floor with Trump, just as Clinton did. Wouldn't even be close.

But for some, debates are about show, and Trump is a blustery bully whose only real talent on the debate stage is stomping around like a goon squad. It looks bad, betrays his lack of intelligence and knowledge, and showcases his inability as a leader, but it makes for a good show and his flock eat that shiat up.

Plus, Trump seems immune to verbal gaffs tripping him up, whereas every single one gets hung on Biden like an anchor.

So far, just sitting back and letting Trump hoist with his own petard seems to be really effective.

I HOPE the electorate is once again ready for someone who is capable rather than a huckster showman. I just worry that we're not quite there yet.

For thinking people, Biden will win the debates regardless. Is that even in question?

It's all those OTHER people I worry about.
 
2020-07-02 10:57:32 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: If their side is ignoring repeated treason and murder, I think our side can ignore an occasional verbal gaffe.


But BOTH SIDES!!!!!   We must maintain media impartiality by spending exactly as many minutes talking about a verbal gaffe or wearing a tan suit on one side as we do on the other side's treason

It's only fair.
 
2020-07-02 10:57:35 AM  

vudukungfu: Who's got the empty chair, now?


Now, if Biden starts addressing it angrily during the debates and accusing it of crimes that only occurred in the minds of meth-asked conspiracy theorists, then it'll be an apples-to-apples comparison. Until then, I'll assume that he'll take the "high road."
 
2020-07-02 10:57:35 AM  
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He'll just do like he did last time, stalk around and act like a crazy person and then suck all of the oxygen out of the room when it comes to the post-debate analysis. He's a Troll IRL, capable of grabbing all the attention, good or bad, and knows that in show business (and politics) attention is good for ratings (and votes).
 
2020-07-02 10:59:04 AM  
I seriously doubt there will be any debates.  Trump was able to hold it together the first time around.  But his mental state has diminished even further since then.

He will come up with all sorts of reasons why he won't be able to attend.  And then he'll blame the Democrats and the media for making it look like it was his fault.

I do agree, however, that IF a debate does happen, the best thing Biden can do is not say a farking thing other than just answering the question clearly.  No pontificating.  No riffing.  Just stay on target.
 
2020-07-02 10:59:11 AM  
Biden 2020: Fark around and find out
 
2020-07-02 10:59:13 AM  
Kudos to Biden's detractors for constantly calling him senile.

By continuously lowering the bar he needed to clear, they made him look credible.
 
2020-07-02 10:59:16 AM  
The important thing here, with Covid rampaging through the country under Trumps watch, and millions unemployed under Trumps watch, and the economy in shambles under Trumps watch, , is that we keep Biden under the microscope.
 
2020-07-02 10:59:20 AM  
I've watched Biden debate for years. He'll do just fine.
 
2020-07-02 10:59:52 AM  

shoegaze99: I have a mixed mind on whether or not the debates will be good for Biden.

There is clearly no question that even though he's prone to gaffs, he's far better spoken, far more informed, more intelligent, more likable, and more professional than Trump. If the debates were about SUBSTANCE, Biden would absolutely mop the floor with Trump, just as Clinton did. Wouldn't even be close.

But for some, debates are about show, and Trump is a blustery bully whose only real talent on the debate stage is stomping around like a goon squad. It looks bad, betrays his lack of intelligence and knowledge, and showcases his inability as a leader, but it makes for a good show and his flock eat that shiat up.

Plus, Trump seems immune to verbal gaffs tripping him up, whereas every single one gets hung on Biden like an anchor.

So far, just sitting back and letting Trump hoist with his own petard seems to be really effective.

I HOPE the electorate is once again ready for someone who is capable rather than a huckster showman. I just worry that we're not quite there yet.

For thinking people, Biden will win the debates regardless. Is that even in question?

It's all those OTHER people I worry about.


I kind of assume that Biden will end a sentence with a preposition and that will be headline news for days while Trump saying he thinks the Confederacy should have won will get a few thought pieces and be forgotten.
 
2020-07-02 10:59:58 AM  
Biden really is in a no win situation at the debates. He has to be absolutely perfect or the media will hammer him. Trump could literally ask Russia for help in the election and nobody would care. That's what setting the bar low does for you.
 
2020-07-02 11:00:25 AM  
Begun, the equivocating has.

Trump will get "win" if he manages to walk on stage and say words.

Biden will lose if he doesn't simultaneously sound incredible smart but not unrelatable, while spinning plates and riding a unicycle.

This has been going on for far too long. The media is complicit. Remember the Bush Gore debates? Gore swept the floor with him but people disliked his "sighing" meanwhile Dubya sounded like some backwoods ranch hand with oil money.  The expectations were so high because Gore was a "fantastic debater".

This has been on repeat since then with the only exception being Obama because he was so superior in every way they had to acknowledge it.
 
2020-07-02 11:00:38 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: If their side is ignoring repeated treason and murder, I think our side can ignore an occasional verbal gaffe.


It's not about Democrats ignoring the occasional Biden-ism.  It's about the few still on the fence not getting caught up on the occasional stumble.

/The diehard Reds are going to stay diehard Reds, even if Biden gives the smoothest, cleanest speeches of his life.
 
2020-07-02 11:02:18 AM  

shoegaze99: For thinking people, Biden will win the debates regardless. Is that even in question?

It's all those OTHER people I worry about.


I was checking out the results after the debates in 2016. This was from the Ken Bone debate:

A Politico/Morning Consult poll showed that 42% of respondents considered Clinton the winner of the debate, while 28% considered Trump the winner, and a slightly higher percentage (30%) were undecided

What the flying fark? 28% are the Republican die-hards that will support the guy no matter what. But how do nearly one in three people come out of that and shrug, unable to determine who was the superior candidate?
 
2020-07-02 11:02:38 AM  
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2020-07-02 11:03:14 AM  
The pressure had never been higher for Joe Biden not to fark up.

[Narrator:  He did.]
 
2020-07-02 11:03:45 AM  

Alphax: [Fark user image image 750x531]


Fox and Friends this morning dove headfirst into "Well they're the Taliban, of course they're gonna kill American soldiers. Who cares who is paying them to do it?"

It is wild, folks.
 
2020-07-02 11:05:35 AM  

shoegaze99: I have a mixed mind on whether or not the debates will be good for Biden.


they will be a farking disaster. he will not be able to hide out and let the media campaign for him and it won't matter that all Trump does is make childish insults at him. that's how he will win

this is not debate club where the smart, articulate, "better" person wins
 
2020-07-02 11:07:56 AM  

Mugato: (talking about Obama) The president had come across as aloof, professorial, and disengaged in front of an audience of 67 million people-and it had cost him dearly

It was a Presidential debate. Was he supposed to smash a watermelon at the crowd?


He wasn't supposed to show up to the debates black.
 
2020-07-02 11:09:43 AM  

Professor_Doctor: I kind of assume that Biden will end a sentence with a preposition and that will be headline news for days while Trump saying he thinks the Confederacy should have won will get a few thought pieces and be forgotten.


Let's be fair here. The media doesn't even need an actual gaff to hold the microscope to. They can take one off fact (that is technically and properly true), squeeze a few dozen hours' worth of navel-gazing and doubtmongering disguised as analysis out of it, make up positions that Biden could have taken to arrive at that questioned fact, basically put words in his mouth, and make him look like a senile oaf without ever even coming out and using those words.

/The "liberal" media.
 
2020-07-02 11:10:14 AM  
I don't think that Trump will debate because he isn't capable of it at this point. However his campaign is going to try to claim that Biden is the one that won't debate. They are doing this by making unreasonable demands for any debates, such as Trump gets to pick the moderators (and of course therefore have all the questions ahead of time) and venue. Biden isn't going to agree to that, and therefore can be portrayed to the MAGAs as "refusing to debate".
 
2020-07-02 11:10:21 AM  
If Joe allows Trump to get up in his personal space and just suddenly punches him, physically knocking him back, Joe would win in the biggest landslide ever. Why? The Dems already want him, and the Repugs would suddenly get throbbingly erect for a "manly man who doesn't tolerate any insider bullshiat", despite the high-speed reversal of all their previous stances about "swampy pansy lie-burals". All it would take is one punch.
 
2020-07-02 11:11:02 AM  

Mugato: (talking about Obama) The president had come across as aloof, professorial, and disengaged in front of an audience of 67 million people-and it had cost him dearly

It was a Presidential debate. Was he supposed to smash a watermelon at the crowd? Anyway, I don't think it cost him too dearly. We don't have a President Romney, do we?


The problem is that the deck is stacked.

RyansPrivates: Begun, the equivocating has.

Trump will get "win" if he manages to walk on stage and say words.

Biden will lose if he doesn't simultaneously sound incredible smart but not unrelatable, while spinning plates and riding a unicycle.

This has been going on for far too long. The media is complicit. Remember the Bush Gore debates? Gore swept the floor with him but people disliked his "sighing" meanwhile Dubya sounded like some backwoods ranch hand with oil money.  The expectations were so high because Gore was a "fantastic debater".

This has been on repeat since then with the only exception being Obama because he was so superior in every way they had to acknowledge it.


And that's how it's stacked.

I used to say, "all the Republican has to do is not shiat himself on stage to be declared a winner" but even THAT bar has been lowered.  If Trump craps his diapers he'll still be fine as long as he doesn't scream "I MADE POOPY!"  I honestly suspect that the second debate (where people get within sniffing distance) we're going to get reports of suspicious smells and the "liberal" media asking why liberals are so mean as to notice.
 
2020-07-02 11:12:13 AM  

ElwoodCuse: shoegaze99: I have a mixed mind on whether or not the debates will be good for Biden.

they will be a farking disaster. he will not be able to hide out and let the media campaign for him and it won't matter that all Trump does is make childish insults at him. that's how he will win

this is not debate club where the smart, articulate, "better" person wins


The media is complicit, not campaigning for him. They write the narrative and they need the ratings so "horse race" over all else. If I were Joe Biden I would set conditions that Trump absolutely wouldn't take.

(I'm also not sure Trump is healthy enough to stand on stage for that long)
 
2020-07-02 11:12:17 AM  
Yes, look how clever you are. . .Scott Bixby?    Your work on the high school year book was all worth it now that you've hit the big time.
 
2020-07-02 11:14:48 AM  
Biden will crush it, Trump will look like a gibbering moron, and then Fox and the RW twittersphere will seize on every 5-second clip of Biden stumbling over a word or pausing the gather this thoughts and say "SEE! BIDEN IS LOSING HIS MIND!!!!"

Book it.
 
2020-07-02 11:14:50 AM  
I love the talking point that Obama farked up after his first debate with Romney.

The only thing I noticed is that someone coached Romney to be more focused. He still sounded like the same clueless asshole he was in the last debate.  Just more loquacious.

And Farkers here lost their farking shiat with their concern trolling after that.

Good times.
 
2020-07-02 11:16:16 AM  
Trump's staff won't let him get asked hard questions under any circumstances including a debate. Trump will boycott the debates under some made up pretense.

And even if they happen, the headlines every time will be Trump defending Russia or calling covid a hoax or something equally indefensible. Trump WILL be the headline, or else there won't be a headline at all.
 
2020-07-02 11:16:21 AM  

Icarus_Rising: Biden will crush it, Trump will look like a gibbering moron, and then Fox and the RW twittersphere will seize on every 5-second clip of Biden stumbling over a word or pausing the gather this thoughts and say "SEE! BIDEN IS LOSING HIS MIND!!!!"

Book it.


I should add, those video clips will also be gleefully propagated by every "I'm totally a progressive" farknut here and elsewhere in the tubes.
 
2020-07-02 11:17:20 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: "Meanwhile, Trump hasn't spoken to a non-toadie since the 1980s. He's incapable of relating to any human, much less a stranger."

I say goddamn.


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2020-07-02 11:17:50 AM  

Urmuf Hamer: No1curr. Biden. The next best thing to a guillotine.


Nonsense. I'm not a Biden fan, but there are thousands of people better next to a guillotine.


/as in next in line, you see
 
2020-07-02 11:18:57 AM  

shoegaze99: I have a mixed mind on whether or not the debates will be good for Biden.

There is clearly no question that even though he's prone to gaffs, he's far better spoken, far more informed, more intelligent, more likable, and more professional than Trump. If the debates were about SUBSTANCE, Biden would absolutely mop the floor with Trump, just as Clinton did. Wouldn't even be close.

But for some, debates are about show, and Trump is a blustery bully whose only real talent on the debate stage is stomping around like a goon squad. It looks bad, betrays his lack of intelligence and knowledge, and showcases his inability as a leader, but it makes for a good show and his flock eat that shiat up.

Plus, Trump seems immune to verbal gaffs tripping him up, whereas every single one gets hung on Biden like an anchor.

So far, just sitting back and letting Trump hoist with his own petard seems to be really effective.

I HOPE the electorate is once again ready for someone who is capable rather than a huckster showman. I just worry that we're not quite there yet.

For thinking people, Biden will win the debates regardless. Is that even in question?

It's all those OTHER people I worry about.


Biden's stock response to anything Trump says should just be "Donald, you just spoke for 5 minutes but didn't say a god damned thing. Do you want to try again?"
 
2020-07-02 11:19:16 AM  

randomscribbles: Trump's staff won't let him get asked hard questions under any circumstances including a debate. Trump will boycott the debates under some made up pretense.

And even if they happen, the headlines every time will be Trump defending Russia or calling covid a hoax or something equally indefensible. Trump WILL be the headline, or else there won't be a headline at all.


meanwhile in the real world, Trump is demanding a FOURTH debate instead of the usual three, and wants them to start sooner

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/us​/​politics/trump-presidential-debates-20​20.html
 
2020-07-02 11:20:37 AM  

shoegaze99: I have a mixed mind on whether or not the debates will be good for Biden.

There is clearly no question that even though he's prone to gaffs, he's far better spoken, far more informed, more intelligent, more likable, and more professional than Trump. If the debates were about SUBSTANCE, Biden would absolutely mop the floor with Trump, just as Clinton did. Wouldn't even be close.

But for some, debates are about show, and Trump is a blustery bully whose only real talent on the debate stage is stomping around like a goon squad. It looks bad, betrays his lack of intelligence and knowledge, and showcases his inability as a leader, but it makes for a good show and his flock eat that shiat up.

Plus, Trump seems immune to verbal gaffs tripping him up, whereas every single one gets hung on Biden like an anchor.

So far, just sitting back and letting Trump hoist with his own petard seems to be really effective.

I HOPE the electorate is once again ready for someone who is capable rather than a huckster showman. I just worry that we're not quite there yet.

For thinking people, Biden will win the debates regardless. Is that even in question?

It's all those OTHER people I worry about.


My boss is the "Doesn't like Trump too much, but The Democrats are pure evil" type of republican. He posted a video of Biden answering a question about unifying the country. Whoever posted the video had a caption calling Biden out for "thinking slow," but a less biased viewer would see that Biden was actually trying to choose his words carefully so he didn't drop an accidental "We have to get these farking racists to shut up" soundbite.

I'm torn about the debates a bit, because Biden needs to be careful, but also needs to come out and tell the Fanta Menace off. Difficult balance,.
 
2020-07-02 11:23:04 AM  
Biden has experience debating stupid people. He'll be fine.

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2020-07-02 11:23:41 AM  

Vespers: If Joe allows Trump to get up in his personal space and just suddenly punches him, physically knocking him back, Joe would win in the biggest landslide ever. Why? The Dems already want him, and the Repugs would suddenly get throbbingly erect for a "manly man who doesn't tolerate any insider bullshiat", despite the high-speed reversal of all their previous stances about "swampy pansy lie-burals". All it would take is one punch.


I was just telling the wife this the other day. Biden is much more of a diplomat, but he's also gone "dog faced pony soldier" at times. Men are also socialized to be more physically aggressive, especially to intimidation like stalking around. He might just bring a chain and Corn Pop the guy. By that point, they'll both have Secret Service details...I bet they're working out that scenario internally right now, LOL.
 
2020-07-02 11:28:25 AM  
He won the primaries with non-stop gaffes and constantly sticking his foot in his mouth....

I look forward to having the Democratic version of George W. as our president....certainly an upgrade to what we got now.
 
2020-07-02 11:29:29 AM  

The Civil Engineer: I look forward to having the Democratic version of George W. as our president....certainly an upgrade to what we got now.


You're being generous. More like second-term Ronald Reagan.
 
2020-07-02 11:30:34 AM  

Shaggy_C: shoegaze99: For thinking people, Biden will win the debates regardless. Is that even in question?

It's all those OTHER people I worry about.

I was checking out the results after the debates in 2016. This was from the Ken Bone debate:

A Politico/Morning Consult poll showed that 42% of respondents considered Clinton the winner of the debate, while 28% considered Trump the winner, and a slightly higher percentage (30%) were undecided

What the flying fark? 28% are the Republican die-hards that will support the guy no matter what. But how do nearly one in three people come out of that and shrug, unable to determine who was the superior candidate?


Because in 2016, that was the first time nearly 1 in 3 people had paid attention to anything at all with respect to the campaign.  They had tuned everything out, hadn't looked at anything independently about what either candidate stood for, changed the channel any time anything remotely political came on (be it a news report or an ad)...basically about one third of Americans are helpless, incurious morons who have no desire to be otherwise.
 
2020-07-02 11:33:22 AM  
I guess I see this differently than a lot of you. The bar has been set low for Biden. We know he will have gaffs. It is what he does. When it happens most people will just move on. He will get the benefit that Trump got in 2016. Meanwhile Trump now has almost four years in office and will have to defend his record. It is a shame there won't be a live audience, I would love to see Biden pack it with family members of people who died from Covid.
 
2020-07-02 11:34:05 AM  

shoegaze99: I have a mixed mind on whether or not the debates will be good for Biden.

There is clearly no question that even though he's prone to gaffs, he's far better spoken, far more informed, more intelligent, more likable, and more professional than Trump. If the debates were about SUBSTANCE, Biden would absolutely mop the floor with Trump, just as Clinton did. Wouldn't even be close.

But for some, debates are about show, and Trump is a blustery bully whose only real talent on the debate stage is stomping around like a goon squad. It looks bad, betrays his lack of intelligence and knowledge, and showcases his inability as a leader, but it makes for a good show and his flock eat that shiat up.

Plus, Trump seems immune to verbal gaffs tripping him up, whereas every single one gets hung on Biden like an anchor.

So far, just sitting back and letting Trump hoist with his own petard seems to be really effective.

I HOPE the electorate is once again ready for someone who is capable rather than a huckster showman. I just worry that we're not quite there yet.

For thinking people, Biden will win the debates regardless. Is that even in question?

It's all those OTHER people I worry about.


I'm reminded of the (almost certainly apocryphal) story of a woman calling out to Adlai Stevenson, saying "Governor, every thinking person would be voting for you," and him replying "Madam, that is not enough. I need a majority!'
 
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