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2020-07-02 8:14:57 AM  
In other news, covid-19 is driving up Amurika's  IQ average.
 
2020-07-02 8:27:23 AM  
WE TRIED TO TELL YOU DENSE MOTHERF*CKERS!

EVEN MITTENS TRIED TO TELL YOU! THE SOCIALLY CLUELESS TED CRUZ TRIED TO TELL YOU, AND THAT'S JUST A SKINSACK FULL OF ELDER THINGS! AND Y'ALL DIDN'T BELIEVE US, BECAUSE...REASONS?
 
2020-07-02 9:14:23 AM  
jesusfarkingchrist, you could have just counted the votes last election and let them say it.
 
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2020-07-02 10:20:11 AM  
A majority of people didn't believe Trump was the right person for the job the first time around, Subby.  They just didn't happen to live in the right states.

This is why we need to either abolish the EC or we need to fix it.  It was not capped at 538.  When the House of Representatives was originally defined, reps were defined as 30,000:1.  They capped them at 435 and making it "proportional" with one rep for each state at a minimum despite it throwing off the ratios because the capitol building didn't have room for more.  They also ended up capping the EC.

If you want to fix the EC, either remove the equivalent of senate seats (ie, subtract 2 from every state) or better, define the number of EC seats based on representation of something like per 100,000 population.
 
2020-07-02 11:37:41 AM  
Gee Willikers!! That only took 4 farking years!
 
2020-07-02 11:38:28 AM  
Between THIS and the arrest of Maxwell, Donny's blood pressure must be climbing into the stratosphere this morning.
I'm ok with that.
 
2020-07-02 11:38:40 AM  

hubiestubert: WE TRIED TO TELL YOU DENSE MOTHERF*CKERS!

EVEN MITTENS TRIED TO TELL YOU! THE SOCIALLY CLUELESS TED CRUZ TRIED TO TELL YOU, AND THAT'S JUST A SKINSACK FULL OF ELDER THINGS! AND Y'ALL DIDN'T BELIEVE US, BECAUSE...REASONS?


C'mon dude. You know the answer. "Brown people".
 
2020-07-02 11:39:31 AM  
Meanwhile Congresscritter come to the conclusion that Trump is the only one who has any sort of handle on COVID and it is Pence, Fauci, and Birx screwing this all up.

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2020-07-02 11:39:47 AM  

TWX: A majority of people didn't believe Trump was the right person for the job the first time around, Subby.  They just didn't happen to live in the right states.

This is why we need to either abolish the EC or we need to fix it.  It was not capped at 538.  When the House of Representatives was originally defined, reps were defined as 30,000:1.  They capped them at 435 and making it "proportional" with one rep for each state at a minimum despite it throwing off the ratios because the capitol building didn't have room for more.  They also ended up capping the EC.

If you want to fix the EC, either remove the equivalent of senate seats (ie, subtract 2 from every state) or better, define the number of EC seats based on representation of something like per 100,000 population.


Or, just make everyone's vote count.
 
2020-07-02 11:40:12 AM  
Let's see it by state.

Dipshiats still believe wood and rocks should decide elections, not people.
 
2020-07-02 11:40:20 AM  
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out "D-OH!"
 
2020-07-02 11:40:20 AM  
And to think that all it took for the majority of Americans to realize that Trump can't do the job was Trump consistently failing to do his job for three and a half years.
 
2020-07-02 11:40:39 AM  
Racism was the reason they voted for him. Since Trump hasn't tossed all the browns in the ocean, they figure they might as well vote for the party that wants to help them.
 
2020-07-02 11:40:39 AM  
Huh, it only took 3 1/2 years and 100,000 plus deaths later.

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2020-07-02 11:40:40 AM  

Urmuf Hamer: In other news, covid-19 is driving up Amurika's  IQ average.


By attrition.

The really dumb ones are the ones running around, partying, refusing to wear masks. . .and dying.
 
2020-07-02 11:41:21 AM  
You're fired.
 
2020-07-02 11:42:15 AM  
I just can"t belie3ve that it took four years for that many people to figure this out.

What really baffles me is how many still haven't figured this out yet.
 
2020-07-02 11:43:33 AM  

whidbey: Let's see it by state.

Dipshiats still believe wood and rocks should decide elections, not people.


I had to remind my coworker of this. You already have disproportionate representation in the senate you insufferable tool.
 
2020-07-02 11:44:07 AM  
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2020-07-02 11:44:19 AM  
A new survey today from the Kein Sheisse Sherlock Academy revealed that the majority of Americans had a more enjoyable experience attending funerals when they weren't in the casket, than when they were in the casket.  A GOP spokesperson said that despite the survey, the party would continue its crusade to get more people in the casket.
 
2020-07-02 11:45:13 AM  
Unfortunately the only majority American breakthrough is their stomachs through the last notch on their belt buckles.
 
2020-07-02 11:46:38 AM  
Wait, you mean being President is hard? When did this happen?!?!
 
2020-07-02 11:49:17 AM  
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2020-07-02 11:50:29 AM  
Too bad only ~50% of that >50% will even bother to farking vote.
 
2020-07-02 11:50:52 AM  

Invisible Obama: The really dumb ones are the ones running around, partying, refusing to wear masks. . .and dying.


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That's not how immune systems work.

The idiots spread it.

People idiots come in to contact at work and at home die
 
2020-07-02 11:51:52 AM  
"The poll could be simply a function of people who don't like Trump not believing he's up to the task and responding accordingly," The Washington Post reported. "But it's still notable that so few of his detractors see him as having the right experience to be president, even as he has so much experience aspresident."

Yes, after watching Trump for the past 12 years, I to am extremely surprised he lacks experience after having served an entire term.

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/who else wants to see Andrew Scott play Kushner in a movie about the Trump presidency?
 
2020-07-02 11:52:35 AM  

TWX: A majority of people didn't believe Trump was the right person for the job the first time around, Subby.  They just didn't happen to live in the right states.

This is why we need to either abolish the EC or we need to fix it.  It was not capped at 538.  When the House of Representatives was originally defined, reps were defined as 30,000:1.  They capped them at 435 and making it "proportional" with one rep for each state at a minimum despite it throwing off the ratios because the capitol building didn't have room for more.  They also ended up capping the EC.

If you want to fix the EC, either remove the equivalent of senate seats (ie, subtract 2 from every state) or better, define the number of EC seats based on representation of something like per 100,000 population.


The EC makes sense for a time when everyone was culturally distinct and there's concerns about one entity overruling the concerns of others.  For example, this would work very well for the EU under a federal approach rather than the articles of confederation approach they're taking.

In 1786, everyone viewed each state as independent political entities.  And there were some cultural differences then between the states.  For various reasons - including the massive incredible success of our constitutional union - no one views them that way anymore, nor do most people want to (except those in power at the state level).  With few exceptions, the cultural and political differences in the US amount to urban / suburban / rural issues, rather than state by state issues.

It's time to rethink.  The easiest way as you note is to significantly increase the House of Representatives.  That'll bring the EC closer to actual reality without requiring a constitutional amendment.
 
2020-07-02 11:54:05 AM  
"The poll could be simply a function of people who don't like Trump not believing he's up to the task and responding accordingly," The Washington Post reported. "But it's still notable that so few of his detractors see him as having the right experience to be president, even as he has so much experience aspresident."

Objection, your honor. Asserts facts not in evidence.  He is in the office, but that doesn't mean he has learned anything at all about what it takes to do the job.
 
2020-07-02 11:54:22 AM  
I saw some reporter (NBC?) talking to folks who voted for Trump in 2016 and, supposedly, they were rethinking their vote in the upcoming 2020 election.  Most of the responses were similar "I just wish he would stop tweeting", "I'm just not sure", "He's done good for the economy" and other bullshiat.  I told Mrs. Fan, there is no way in hell that these folks are not voting for Trump.  If after all of the clown show incompetence they have witnessed, they are still "Susan Collinsing" with their support and vote.  They will stick with the Orange menace.
 
2020-07-02 11:55:09 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Wait, you mean being President is hard? When did this happen?!?!


Some dude was tweeting from 2007-2016 about how the president shouldn't be golfing, taking vacations, and that 2 ebola deaths in the US was worthy of impeachment.

Whatever happened to him?
 
2020-07-02 11:55:28 AM  
Nah. If it took "most Americans" that long, I don't think they figured out squat.
 
2020-07-02 11:57:13 AM  

TWX: This is why we need to either abolish the EC or we need to fix it.


If every state agreed to proportional allotment of electors we wouldn't have these stupid problems AND we won't have to amend the Constitution.

Faithless electors? Blood eagle them. They have a duty and it's got nothing to do with their goddam opinions.
 
2020-07-02 12:02:34 PM  

hubiestubert: WE TRIED TO TELL YOU DENSE MOTHERF*CKERS!

EVEN MITTENS TRIED TO TELL YOU! THE SOCIALLY CLUELESS TED CRUZ TRIED TO TELL YOU, AND THAT'S JUST A SKINSACK FULL OF ELDER THINGS! AND Y'ALL DIDN'T BELIEVE US, BECAUSE...REASONS?


Same reason that people telling them that at the very least wearing a mask and staying at least 6 feet away from people will make them much safer in this pandemic outbreak makes them verbally assault people wearing a mask and shouting 3 inches from their face.
 
2020-07-02 12:02:35 PM  

TWX: A majority of people didn't believe Trump was the right person for the job the first time around, Subby.  They just didn't happen to live in the right states.

This is why we need to either abolish the EC or we need to fix it.  It was not capped at 538.  When the House of Representatives was originally defined, reps were defined as 30,000:1.  They capped them at 435 and making it "proportional" with one rep for each state at a minimum despite it throwing off the ratios because the capitol building didn't have room for more.  They also ended up capping the EC.

If you want to fix the EC, either remove the equivalent of senate seats (ie, subtract 2 from every state) or better, define the number of EC seats based on representation of something like per 100,000 population.


The capital building not having room was always just an excuse.

The real reason is because.if they didn't cap it, their individual power would continue to be diluted, and also because it would give the people too much influence over the goverment, which would restrict the ability of the capitalist owner class to implement their agenda.

And then when a technological revolution changed the game and allowed ordinary people to communicate and organize more easily, the capitalist owner class changed the rules again with the CU decision, which guaranteed that the obscene wealth of the owner class would allow them to continue to control the government - that their dollars are equal or superior to the voices of countless American citizens.

The US has always been an oligarchy pretending to be a democracy for marketing purposes - all the way back to the "all men are created equal" slogan they touted while declaring that some.men were created to be property.
 
2020-07-02 12:04:39 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: TWX: A majority of people didn't believe Trump was the right person for the job the first time around, Subby.  They just didn't happen to live in the right states.

This is why we need to either abolish the EC or we need to fix it.  It was not capped at 538.  When the House of Representatives was originally defined, reps were defined as 30,000:1.  They capped them at 435 and making it "proportional" with one rep for each state at a minimum despite it throwing off the ratios because the capitol building didn't have room for more.  They also ended up capping the EC.

If you want to fix the EC, either remove the equivalent of senate seats (ie, subtract 2 from every state) or better, define the number of EC seats based on representation of something like per 100,000 population.

The EC makes sense for a time when everyone was culturally distinct and there's concerns about one entity overruling the concerns of others.  For example, this would work very well for the EU under a federal approach rather than the articles of confederation approach they're taking.

In 1786, everyone viewed each state as independent political entities.  And there were some cultural differences then between the states.  For various reasons - including the massive incredible success of our constitutional union - no one views them that way anymore, nor do most people want to (except those in power at the state level).  With few exceptions, the cultural and political differences in the US amount to urban / suburban / rural issues, rather than state by state issues.

It's time to rethink.  The easiest way as you note is to significantly increase the House of Representatives.  That'll bring the EC closer to actual reality without requiring a constitutional amendment.


The problem with the EC isn't actually the disproportional representation, the issue with the EC is the fact that every state is winner take all. Even with proportional representation the only votes that matter are swing states. If you kept the system the same but forced all states to apportion their electors according to their share of the state vote (not even the popular vote) you'd still fix a huge chunk of the underlying problem and achieve the goal of making everyone's votes matter while still balancing the concerns of small and large states. Suddenly the entire nation wouldn't depend on the idiots in PA and FL.

If I wasn't on mobile I'd go look for it but there are some good papers looking at all the recent elections and the outcomes based on various proposed changes to the EC.
 
2020-07-02 12:07:02 PM  
I sincerely believe that most folks who voted for Trump legitimately believed that whoever was President didn't farking matter. That the gears of government and society would just merrily roll along without much input from the man up top, because the deep state machine would just keep on trucking.

And in times of success and boon and everything's great, it probably doesn't much matter. An Obama from a Bush from a Clinton won't matter when everything is going great.

It's when shiat hits the fan, and oh yeah, it matters. Welcome to LARPing a nation-wide civics course.
 
2020-07-02 12:14:18 PM  

Peki: I sincerely believe that most folks who voted for Trump legitimately believed that whoever was President didn't farking matter. That the gears of government and society would just merrily roll along without much input from the man up top, because the deep state machine would just keep on trucking.

And in times of success and boon and everything's great, it probably doesn't much matter. An Obama from a Bush from a Clinton won't matter when everything is going great.

It's when shiat hits the fan, and oh yeah, it matters. Welcome to LARPing a nation-wide civics course.


I did not vote for Trump, but during the primaries I did convince myself that if an outsider candidate like Trump or Bernie won that it would have the side benefit of leading to a decline in the imperial presidency as a skeptical party apparatus would reclaim power that Congress has conceded to the Executive over the last few generations.

Well wasn't I surprised how that went.
 
2020-07-02 12:17:21 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Huh, it only took 3 1/2 years and 100,000 plus deaths later.

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Sorry. Go visit the thread with the new study of excess deaths that's published by Yale. It's looking closer to 180000.
 
2020-07-02 12:23:27 PM  
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2020-07-02 12:25:13 PM  
I sincerely believe that donations for US Representatives and Senators should not come from outside the state they represent. Or that Senators and Reps should wear patches like the NASCAR drivers and cars. The bigger the patch, the more money was donated.

But then, I also believe that the rest of the country should have ability to vote a senator out. Just one, who is not up for reelection. That would ad some excitement.
 
2020-07-02 12:40:53 PM  
""But it's still notable that so few of his detractors see him as having the right experience to be president, even as he has so much experience as president.""


No... no he hasn't.  He's been a divider, a grifter, a petulant child, a sellout, a traitor and a coward but he has never been President.
 
Ant
2020-07-02 12:41:02 PM  
A majority of Americans have always believed this, even out of the few who actually voted in 2016.
 
2020-07-02 12:45:49 PM  

John the Magnificent: He's been a divider, a grifter, a petulant child, a sellout, a traitor and a coward but he has never been President.


That is not the whole truth and you know it.

/he's also been a pedophile
 
2020-07-02 12:48:02 PM  

slaur: Between THIS and the arrest of Maxwell, Donny's blood pressure must be climbing into the stratosphere this morning.
I'm ok with that.


Not to mention the impending SCOTUS ruling on the surrender of his taxes.  Postponed until next week so Chaos can celebrate by burning down the black hills this weekend.
 
2020-07-02 12:51:34 PM  
37 percent are fer him. 61 percent are agin him. Same as it ever was.
 
2020-07-02 12:58:00 PM  

mathamagical: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: TWX: A majority of people didn't believe Trump was the right person for the job the first time around, Subby.  They just didn't happen to live in the right states.

This is why we need to either abolish the EC or we need to fix it.  It was not capped at 538.  When the House of Representatives was originally defined, reps were defined as 30,000:1.  They capped them at 435 and making it "proportional" with one rep for each state at a minimum despite it throwing off the ratios because the capitol building didn't have room for more.  They also ended up capping the EC.

If you want to fix the EC, either remove the equivalent of senate seats (ie, subtract 2 from every state) or better, define the number of EC seats based on representation of something like per 100,000 population.

The EC makes sense for a time when everyone was culturally distinct and there's concerns about one entity overruling the concerns of others.  For example, this would work very well for the EU under a federal approach rather than the articles of confederation approach they're taking.

In 1786, everyone viewed each state as independent political entities.  And there were some cultural differences then between the states.  For various reasons - including the massive incredible success of our constitutional union - no one views them that way anymore, nor do most people want to (except those in power at the state level).  With few exceptions, the cultural and political differences in the US amount to urban / suburban / rural issues, rather than state by state issues.

It's time to rethink.  The easiest way as you note is to significantly increase the House of Representatives.  That'll bring the EC closer to actual reality without requiring a constitutional amendment.

The problem with the EC isn't actually the disproportional representation, the issue with the EC is the fact that every state is winner take all. Even with proportional representation the only votes that matter are swing states. If you kept the system the same but forced all states to apportion their electors according to their share of the state vote (not even the popular vote) you'd still fix a huge chunk of the underlying problem and achieve the goal of making everyone's votes matter while still balancing the concerns of small and large states. Suddenly the entire nation wouldn't depend on the idiots in PA and FL.

If I wasn't on mobile I'd go look for it but there are some good papers looking at all the recent elections and the outcomes based on various proposed changes to the EC.


As true as that is, unfortunately it requires a constitutional amendment since the constitution delegates voting mechanics to the states.

Uncapping the House doesn't.  It just takes an unselfish majority of House members to vote for it (Ha......), a democratically controlled senate (more house members likely to lead to more democrats; senators won't care about house power diluted, in fact they would welcome it since it increases the senate's power), and a Democrat in the White House (same reason).

There are some states out there that have passed conditional laws giving their electors to the popular vote winner rather than the state winner, but it's contingent on a supermajority of states adopting such laws, which makes it less likely to happen at this point than the democrats controlling both legislative chambers and the White House in 2021 (recognizing that this itself is a long shot).
 
2020-07-02 12:58:33 PM  
I didn't have a breakthrough.  I felt this way all along.
 
2020-07-02 1:03:01 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: As true as that is, unfortunately it requires a constitutional amendment since the constitution delegates voting mechanics to the states.


The easiest fix to the EC that's actually plausible the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between states to award ALL their EC votes to whomever wins the popular vote in a given election.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it has enough members to have a majority of the EC so that it would decide the election unto itself.

It currently accounts for 196 EV's, when it gets to 270, it takes effect and the Presidential election essentially becomes a matter of popular vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa​l​_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
 
2020-07-02 1:06:08 PM  

Invisible Obama: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: As true as that is, unfortunately it requires a constitutional amendment since the constitution delegates voting mechanics to the states.

The easiest fix to the EC that's actually plausible the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between states to award ALL their EC votes to whomever wins the popular vote in a given election.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it has enough members to have a majority of the EC so that it would decide the election unto itself.

It currently accounts for 196 EV's, when it gets to 270, it takes effect and the Presidential election essentially becomes a matter of popular vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National​_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact


Thanks - I actually mentioned that (but not by name) in my last paragraph.  Agree that would work, but there are too many states that wouldn't be interested in such an approach to make it likely, in my opinion.
 
2020-07-02 1:12:57 PM  
Like none if this was painfully obvious in 2016🙄
 
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