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(Politico)   Senate Republicans and Olympic gymnast McKayla Maroney are unimpressed by Trump's threat to veto a military spending bill over the issue of renaming bases named after enemy generals. Maybe they want to be the party of Lincoln again   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-07-02 3:54:30 AM  
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2020-07-02 7:54:21 AM  
I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said

Kentucky was a Union state. Even then, the McConnells were traitors.
 
2020-07-02 8:09:40 AM  
...but he noted that it would be several months before the legislation actually reaches Trump's desk...

In "several months," hopefully, Trump won't be President.
 
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2020-07-02 10:24:31 AM  
Let's talk about Senate Republicans and a Trump tweet....
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Don't let the Senate put a poison-pill in the form of removing the requirement to report foreign offers of campaign assistance.
 
2020-07-02 10:29:26 AM  
Maybe they want to be the party of Lincoln again

Let's not get crazy here.  They just don't want to get severely pantsed in the next election.  There is no epiphany going on here.
 
2020-07-02 11:05:08 AM  
Trump is a lame duck at this point.
 
2020-07-02 11:05:55 AM  

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It's unfortunate how much plastic surgery she has done to her face, she really jacked it up.
 
2020-07-02 11:06:39 AM  
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The GOP struggle is real
 
2020-07-02 11:08:13 AM  
"If It's appropriate to take another look at these names, I'm personally OK with that - and I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said last month. "With regard to military bases, whatever is ultimately decided, I don't have a problem with."

Miatch, please. You're a damned active duty Confederate, motherfarker.
 
2020-07-02 11:09:00 AM  
Duplicate of The Hill link three links down.
 
2020-07-02 11:09:10 AM  
Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.
 
2020-07-02 11:09:12 AM  
C'mon guys, let's Make the Confederacy Great Again!
 
2020-07-02 11:10:03 AM  
If we can't win against traitors, there's nothing worth fighting for.
 
2020-07-02 11:12:05 AM  

LarryDan43: Trump is a lame duck at this point.


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2020-07-02 11:13:02 AM  

AcneVulgaris: Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.


I just watched some white dude strip the NYPD of a billion dollars. Multiple white people have presided over the arrest of violent cops over these last few weeks. White people are pushing back against their racist neighbors all over the nation.

Ridding ourselves of vestiges and celebrations of a racist past isn't just symbolic, it's part of a sea change.
 
2020-07-02 11:13:29 AM  
The answer, of course, is to let him  settle the outcome in a bare-knuckle match with the member of SEAL Team six of his choice...
 
2020-07-02 11:16:32 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: AcneVulgaris: Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.

I just watched some white dude strip the NYPD of a billion dollars. Multiple white people have presided over the arrest of violent cops over these last few weeks. White people are pushing back against their racist neighbors all over the nation.

Ridding ourselves of vestiges and celebrations of a racist past isn't just symbolic, it's part of a sea change.


And this is over the (metaphorical) GOP dead body
 
2020-07-02 11:18:22 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: [Fark user image 500x756]

The GOP struggle is real


Yeah, it's ironic that they're afraid to piss of the Neo-Confederates...

Senator John McCain apologized today for not having called for the removal of the Confederate battle flag from the South Carolina Statehouse when he campaigned in the state's Republican presidential primary, saying he had compromised his principles out of political self-interest.
Mr. McCain, who built his presidential quest on a reputation for candor and patriotism, said he had equivocated on the flag issue because he feared that if his true feelings had been known it would have undermined his effort to wrest the nomination from Gov. George W. Bush of Texas. Mr. McCain said in the campaign that the divisive issues should be left to the state, as had Mr. Bush, who stood by the position today.
In a subdued speech at a luncheon a stone's throw from the Capitol where the Confederate battle flag flies, Mr. McCain, a former Navy war hero whose ancestors fought for the South, indicted himself for a lapse in honor.
''I feared that if I answered honestly, I could not win the South Carolina primary,'' Mr. McCain said. ''So I chose to compromise my principles. I broke my promise to always tell the truth.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2000/04/20/us​/​after-campaigning-on-candor-mccain-adm​its-he-lacked-it-on-confederate-flag-i​ssue.html
 
2020-07-02 11:19:23 AM  

tommyl66: "If It's appropriate to take another look at these names, I'm personally OK with that - and I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said last month. "With regard to military bases, whatever is ultimately decided, I don't have a problem with."

Miatch, please. You're a damned active duty Confederate, motherfarker.


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2020-07-02 11:20:57 AM  
More like the Party of Stinkin', amirite?
 
2020-07-02 11:21:08 AM  
Let's talk about Senate Republicans and a Trump tweet....
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\It was an empty threat
\\He's not gonna veto it
 
2020-07-02 11:21:49 AM  

MrBallou: I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said

Kentucky was a Union state. Even then, the McConnells were traitors.


McConnell is from Alabama.
 
2020-07-02 11:22:02 AM  

TWX: [YouTube video: Let's talk about Senate Republicans and a Trump tweet....]

Don't let the Senate put a poison-pill in the form of removing the requirement to report foreign offers of campaign assistance.


*shakes tiny paw*

\S'what I get for not reading the thread first
 
2020-07-02 11:23:36 AM  

MrBallou: I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said

Kentucky was a Union state. Even then, the McConnells were traitors.


The relationship between Kentucky and the Confederacy was. . .complicated.

As far as the US was concerned, Kentucky never seceded.  It didn't have to go through Reconstruction.  The State Government in Frankfort was loyal to Washington, and the only had a limited military presence in the state. ..

. . .but the CSA did claim it (it was a "southern" state and still allowed slavery, after all), and there was a more-or-less self-appointed Kentucky Confederate government-in-exile and the Confederate Congress had Senators and Reps from Kentucky in it (sent from the government-in-exile).  At one point in September 1862, the CSA managed to capture and occupy Frankfort (the only Union capital to fall in the Civil War).  The CSA sent word to the government-in-exile for them to come to Frankfort and become the sitting State government, but before the CSA-loyal administration could arrive and physically take office, the Union retook Frankfort in October 1862.

There were Confederate raids and battles throughout the state early in the war.  In those bold, early days, the CSA really thought they'd get Kentucky into the Confederacy.

Confederates were traitors, and Kentucky was always a Union state, but the Confederates were convinced that Kentucky was really a CSA State, despite never voting to secede. . .based entirely on the fact that slavery was legal in KY and that KY was south of the Ohio river and culturally "southern", not any actual wartime acts of the State.

(Part of the lack of secession was that even though slavery was legal in KY, it wasn't the backbone of the economy like it was in the deep south.  Wealthy aristocrats in KY might have had their personal slaves at their estates, and had a few slaves for cheap farm help. . .but they didn't have the huge labor-intense cotton plantations that needed slave labor to work, they could lose slavery without economically breaking the state)
 
2020-07-02 11:25:30 AM  
Trump will veto the bill because racism is all he has left.

Senate Republicans own this.
 
2020-07-02 11:27:47 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: AcneVulgaris: Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.

I just watched some white dude strip the NYPD of a billion dollars. Multiple white people have presided over the arrest of violent cops over these last few weeks. White people are pushing back against their racist neighbors all over the nation.

Ridding ourselves of vestiges and celebrations of a racist past isn't just symbolic, it's part of a sea change.


It's a valid point let's not get distracted with rename if police are still killing black people and let's do something about the incarnation rate. Current administration exempted.
 
2020-07-02 11:29:57 AM  
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2020-07-02 11:30:51 AM  
I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said

As am I, and a significant portion of the population.  What I heard about my GG Grandfather was that he was a confederate soldier, but deserted near the end of the war.  There is little to nothing to corroborate this, and I wonder if the "desertion" story was something that people added in to make the families feel better about the role a member had played in the civil war.  Regardless of that, I like the thought of my ancestor being a traitor to traitors, and I have zero problem with tearing down ever farking statue and renaming every street, building and military installation that has those traitor's names on them.
 
2020-07-02 11:36:51 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: AcneVulgaris: Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.

I just watched some white dude strip the NYPD of a billion dollars. Multiple white people have presided over the arrest of violent cops over these last few weeks. White people are pushing back against their racist neighbors all over the nation.

Ridding ourselves of vestiges and celebrations of a racist past isn't just symbolic, it's part of a sea change.


Brenna Taylor's killers still haven't been arrested, just fired.

George Floyd's killer may still get his pension, which could be worth millions.

We're seeing some changes, but it's mostly getting head pats so people stop burning things because protests started showing up outside mayor offices.

Qualified immunity still exists, brtus4l police tactics haven't ended. Nothing has been done to hold police accountable long term or reforming the police.

Budgets being cut have largely been cut by the amount COVID was going to shortfall them anyway.

Progess is nice, but we haven't seen any real change at a government level, and if things stop now, in less than a few years you'll be reading about another outlandish black persln slain by cop for jaywalking or a no knock raid killing a 3 year old.
 
2020-07-02 11:41:59 AM  

HerptheDerp: HotWingConspiracy: AcneVulgaris: Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.

I just watched some white dude strip the NYPD of a billion dollars. Multiple white people have presided over the arrest of violent cops over these last few weeks. White people are pushing back against their racist neighbors all over the nation.

Ridding ourselves of vestiges and celebrations of a racist past isn't just symbolic, it's part of a sea change.

Brenna Taylor's killers still haven't been arrested, just fired.

George Floyd's killer may still get his pension, which could be worth millions.

We're seeing some changes, but it's mostly getting head pats so people stop burning things because protests started showing up outside mayor offices.

Qualified immunity still exists, brtus4l police tactics haven't ended. Nothing has been done to hold police accountable long term or reforming the police.

Budgets being cut have largely been cut by the amount COVID was going to shortfall them anyway.

Progess is nice, but we haven't seen any real change at a government level, and if things stop now, in less than a few years you'll be reading about another outlandish black persln slain by cop for jaywalking or a no knock raid killing a 3 year old.


We can do more than one thing at a time, a Senate level bill to ditch confederate nostalgia at our training bases isn't distracting from anything else.
 
2020-07-02 11:43:17 AM  

AcneVulgaris: Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.


I have an older black colleague, who grew up in the south during the civil rights era. He literally had to ride in the back of buses, was refused service, etc. Just in the last few weeks he told a story about monument ave in Richmond, that if he so much as touched the statue of Lee, because he was black, he would be arrested. That was 50 years ago, but he still talks passionately about having to endure having traitors to this country who fought to keep men like him enslaved enshrined as heroes. It's important to take down these hateful symbols. It's not nothing.

Yes, white people should stop cops from killing black people. White people should also take down the monuments that white people used to suppress black people. It's possible to do two right things at the same time.
 
2020-07-02 11:45:14 AM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: HighOnCraic: [Fark user image 425x445]

It's unfortunate how much plastic surgery she has done to her face, she really jacked it up.


Wha?

*checks out her twitter*

I'll be in my bunk if you need me. Don't need me.
 
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2020-07-02 11:50:21 AM  

HerptheDerp: George Floyd's killer may still get his pension, which could be worth millions.


Harping on the pension is farking stupid.  The way pension systems are set up, the pensioner had to put money into the pension system along the way, and not only is the pension generally protected from lawsuits, it's also protected from the pensioner.  That's right, the pensioner can't get at the money generally either.  There are some circumstances that let the pensioner cash-out some of the money and with pretty massive penalties, but generally those rules require the person to not be employed so many years before even being eligible such that someone close to or at the age qualifying for retirement can't cash-out, and those that can only get their own contributions, they don't get employer-matching contributions.  They also don't get to change beneficiaries once they start taking the pension, so it's very likely that the wife that's filing for divorce will end up with whatever percentage she was specified for as a beneficiary.  You want to hit him financially? Sue for wrongful death and get the judgment set up as a structured settlement.  Force him to pay every month as he's paid by the pension.

Bickering over the pension is the fastest way to make everyone start ignoring the rest of your commentary.  Right now we worry about the criminal charges, after that's dealt with, then worry about financial restitution for the victims.
 
2020-07-02 11:58:15 AM  
This bill stripped out the the reporting requirements for receiving foreign aid for an election.

The fort naming is a very transparent red herring.  Of course Trump will sign this bill.

Rather than fight over the bases, which Biden can fix in a few months, let's focus on the Republicans working to ensure Russia has their backs at the ballot.
 
2020-07-02 11:59:56 AM  
When Lincoln was President, the Republican party was progressive, so no, they have no intention of ever reverting to the party of Lincoln.
 
2020-07-02 12:02:35 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: AcneVulgaris: Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.

I just watched some white dude strip the NYPD of a billion dollars. Multiple white people have presided over the arrest of violent cops over these last few weeks. White people are pushing back against their racist neighbors all over the nation.

Ridding ourselves of vestiges and celebrations of a racist past isn't just symbolic, it's part of a sea change.


You wanted real change, a lot of that change is going to have to be done by white people, we broke it and as far as police culture is concerned are still in charge for better or worse. It needs to be held in our faces until the old guard mentality dies off.

When we ALL finally accept that our policing methods are wrong, that's when we can affect that sea change. Renaming bases and removing statues that glorify seditionists needs to happen, slogans in the street are an effective reminder that work remains to be done. Removing TV shows is a little stickier and cooler heads will need to assess that in the future, context means a lot.

Some form of real and sincere truth and reconciliation will have to happen in our country eventually, we just aren't mature enough at this time. I dont know if we will be for a very long time.
 
2020-07-02 12:04:25 PM  

PiperArrow: AcneVulgaris: Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.

I have an older black colleague, who grew up in the south during the civil rights era. He literally had to ride in the back of buses, was refused service, etc. Just in the last few weeks he told a story about monument ave in Richmond, that if he so much as touched the statue of Lee, because he was black, he would be arrested. That was 50 years ago, but he still talks passionately about having to endure having traitors to this country who fought to keep men like him enslaved enshrined as heroes. It's important to take down these hateful symbols. It's not nothing.

Yes, white people should stop cops from killing black people. White people should also take down the monuments that white people used to suppress black people. It's possible to do two right things at the same time.


This. We can do many things at the same time and it is important for all these things to be taken care of for the country to truly move forward.
 
2020-07-02 12:08:51 PM  

chubes: MrBallou: I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said

Kentucky was a Union state. Even then, the McConnells were traitors.

McConnell is from Alabama.


Mitch McConnell is a bit of a reverse carpetbagger.
 
2020-07-02 12:09:43 PM  

HerptheDerp: HotWingConspiracy: AcneVulgaris: Black people: Please don't let the cops kill us.

White people:  Rename military bases, remove statues, paint slogans on the street, pull TV show episodes.

Yeah.

I just watched some white dude strip the NYPD of a billion dollars. Multiple white people have presided over the arrest of violent cops over these last few weeks. White people are pushing back against their racist neighbors all over the nation.

Ridding ourselves of vestiges and celebrations of a racist past isn't just symbolic, it's part of a sea change.

Brenna Taylor's killers still haven't been arrested, just fired.

George Floyd's killer may still get his pension, which could be worth millions.

We're seeing some changes, but it's mostly getting head pats so people stop burning things because protests started showing up outside mayor offices.

Qualified immunity still exists, brtus4l police tactics haven't ended. Nothing has been done to hold police accountable long term or reforming the police.

Budgets being cut have largely been cut by the amount COVID was going to shortfall them anyway.

Progess is nice, but we haven't seen any real change at a government level, and if things stop now, in less than a few years you'll be reading about another outlandish black persln slain by cop for jaywalking or a no knock raid killing a 3 year old.


You can't expect laws to change instantly (for instance, laws that let cops keep their pensions).

Plus, on the Federal level, the constitution is structured so that the most anti-government hicks can block pretty much anything progressive (IE, the fact that conservative, rural Wyoming has the same number of Senators as California even though California has 68 times the population).  This is not a problem that will be solved.  Protests won't solve it.  Voting won't solve it (unless a bunch of "excess liberals" from California and New York move to sparsely populated rural states as well as swing states).  Civil war won't solve it (you will get squashed by the armynavyairforcemarines in 0.3 seconds).  It is an unfixable problem.  (Time will solve it, as hispanics slowly move to those states and turn them purple, in two or three decades.)
 
2020-07-02 12:10:17 PM  
They can want all they want. But it won't undo centuries of conservative racism. And policies that encourage inequality. There are no reasonable, kind, nonracist Republicans. None.
 
2020-07-02 12:16:20 PM  

Geotpf: Duplicate of The Hill link three links down.


This one's funnier, so I hope the mods dump the other one.
 
2020-07-02 12:34:46 PM  

rummonkey: chubes: MrBallou: I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said

Kentucky was a Union state. Even then, the McConnells were traitors.

McConnell is from Alabama.

Mitch McConnell is a bit of a reverse carpetbagger.


You just made Woodrow Wilson look pretty good.  Impressive.
 
2020-07-02 12:38:47 PM  

macadamnut: rummonkey: chubes: MrBallou: I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said

Kentucky was a Union state. Even then, the McConnells were traitors.

McConnell is from Alabama.

Mitch McConnell is a bit of a reverse carpetbagger.

You just made Woodrow Wilson look pretty good.  Impressive.


Believe me, that was not my intent. Woodrow Wilson would have gone down as one of the worst Presidents in our time if the current one wasn't in the running as well. He almost single handedly paved the way for KKK dominance.
 
2020-07-02 12:43:26 PM  
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2020-07-02 12:47:52 PM  

HerptheDerp: George Floyd's killer may still get his pension, which could be worth millions.


Wait... Millions? What the f*cking f*ck?
 
2020-07-02 12:52:09 PM  

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Dammit. I miss the greatest president in my 58 years on this planet.

// Tip of the hard to president Maroney.
 
2020-07-02 12:53:30 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: HerptheDerp: George Floyd's killer may still get his pension, which could be worth millions.

Wait... Millions? What the f*cking f*ck?


He'll get his pension, which over the remainder of his projected life could be worth well over a million dollars of income.

The law as it stands doesn't cause him to forfeit his pension, even if he's thrown in prison for the rest of his life.

Maybe Floyd's family can go after it in a wrongful death suit.
 
2020-07-02 12:56:30 PM  
I don't understand why we should rename Ft. Bragg.  Braxton Bragg did as much as anyone not actually in the Union army to bring about the defeat of the Confederacy.
 
2020-07-02 1:03:12 PM  

Diogenes: Maybe they want to be the party of Lincoln again

Let's not get crazy here.  They just don't want to get severely pantsed in the next election.  There is no epiphany going on here.


No, they just have the cover of the Cheeto, and will set it up so there aren't enough votes to override the veto. Like the pathetic scum they are, they'll try "oh well, we tried! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
 
2020-07-02 1:03:51 PM  

MrBallou: I am a descendant of a Confederate veteran myself," McConnell said

Kentucky was a Union state. Even then, the McConnells were traitors.


He is from Alabama originally.
 
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