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(Gothamist)   On second thought, maybe we shouldn't have put the weight room on the second floor   (gothamist.com) divider line
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2020-07-02 7:51:00 AM  
14 votes:
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looking at street view, the wall seems to have been bulging for a long time.  the real problem appears to be that they removed the pay phone that was holding it all up
 
2020-07-02 5:42:02 AM  
5 votes:

Ostman: This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.


Maybe the building a weight limit of ten Americans per floor.
 
2020-07-02 7:32:35 AM  
4 votes:
My high school had a swimming pool on the third floor..... right above the computer lab.
 
2020-07-02 6:55:09 AM  
4 votes:

Mr_Vimes: Ostman: This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.

Maybe the building a weight limit of ten Americans per floor.


10? What is this, a nuclear bunker?
 
2020-07-02 6:04:23 AM  
3 votes:
but engineering is hard! sometimes it's not even the weight, it's the frequency.

one of my old physics professors had a favorite old chestnut he loved to tell, about a gym across the street from his office. the aerobics room was in the front, behind a ginormous plate glass window. he could see, day after day, the window being driven to its resonant frequency. and then one day, overdriven, bam! glass all over the sidewalk.

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or, y'know, sometimes dumbassery will suffice.

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2020-07-02 10:48:11 AM  
2 votes:
That's what happens when the building skips leg day.
 
2020-07-02 10:33:39 AM  
1 vote:
I thought buildings "just collapsing" was something that only happened in third-world countries, not in a ...

...oh...yeah.
 
2020-07-02 7:31:59 AM  
1 vote:

Ostman: This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.


The article updates say there was a stop work order on the building due to a bulging/buckling masonry wall, so it was apparently under construction.  I'm going to take a wild guess and say that is what failed and caused the collapse. It's possible a design error contributed, but I'm guessing the cause was deteriorated masonry that was not properly shored up and repaired.
I know from experience that these types of buildings don't really have much holding them together besides gravity and habit.  If something goes wrong with a major framing component, you're going to get a collapse.
 
2020-07-02 5:26:29 AM  
1 vote:
This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.
 
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