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(Gothamist)   On second thought, maybe we shouldn't have put the weight room on the second floor   (gothamist.com) divider line
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4021 clicks; posted to Main » on 02 Jul 2020 at 5:02 AM (11 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-07-02 5:26:29 AM  
This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.
 
2020-07-02 5:34:58 AM  
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2020-07-02 5:42:02 AM  

Ostman: This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.


Maybe the building a weight limit of ten Americans per floor.
 
2020-07-02 6:04:23 AM  
but engineering is hard! sometimes it's not even the weight, it's the frequency.

one of my old physics professors had a favorite old chestnut he loved to tell, about a gym across the street from his office. the aerobics room was in the front, behind a ginormous plate glass window. he could see, day after day, the window being driven to its resonant frequency. and then one day, overdriven, bam! glass all over the sidewalk.

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or, y'know, sometimes dumbassery will suffice.

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2020-07-02 6:55:09 AM  

Mr_Vimes: Ostman: This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.

Maybe the building a weight limit of ten Americans per floor.


10? What is this, a nuclear bunker?
 
2020-07-02 7:31:59 AM  

Ostman: This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.


The article updates say there was a stop work order on the building due to a bulging/buckling masonry wall, so it was apparently under construction.  I'm going to take a wild guess and say that is what failed and caused the collapse. It's possible a design error contributed, but I'm guessing the cause was deteriorated masonry that was not properly shored up and repaired.
I know from experience that these types of buildings don't really have much holding them together besides gravity and habit.  If something goes wrong with a major framing component, you're going to get a collapse.
 
2020-07-02 7:32:35 AM  
My high school had a swimming pool on the third floor..... right above the computer lab.
 
2020-07-02 7:47:59 AM  
I didn't think that google street view would reveal much, but it sure looks like the side wall of the building was cracked and bulging.
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2020-07-02 7:51:00 AM  
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looking at street view, the wall seems to have been bulging for a long time.  the real problem appears to be that they removed the pay phone that was holding it all up
 
2020-07-02 7:57:59 AM  

Ostman: This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.


The building was nearly 100 years old. The builder probably is free of liability in this case.
 
2020-07-02 8:47:35 AM  
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2020-07-02 9:36:19 AM  
I think we all know exactly what happened here.
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2020-07-02 9:43:40 AM  
This is a big source of the problems we are having today:

"An FDNY spokesperson says there was one minor injury to a civilian at the collapse, and..."

FDNY are civilians. NYPD are civilians. I don't understand why they don't realize that.
 
2020-07-02 10:33:39 AM  
I thought buildings "just collapsing" was something that only happened in third-world countries, not in a ...

...oh...yeah.
 
2020-07-02 10:48:11 AM  
That's what happens when the building skips leg day.
 
2020-07-02 11:39:57 AM  

Tom-Servo: This is a big source of the problems we are having today:

"An FDNY spokesperson says there was one minor injury to a civilian at the collapse, and..."

FDNY are civilians. NYPD are civilians. I don't understand why they don't realize that.


I have never encounter anyone who use the word that way.

From Webster:
: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
 
2020-07-02 11:54:20 AM  

talkertopc: From Webster:
: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force


Police and firefighters are civilians. They've shoehorned themselves into a quasi-non-civilian title by consistently referring to the citizens as civilians (in contrast to themselves), but it is inaccurate. Police and Firefighters wear a uniform as a sign of their professional role and tradition, NOT military role and tradition as some seem fond of thinking.
 
2020-07-02 3:17:45 PM  

Moopy Mac: Ostman: This could go any way.
If the owner never told the building designers there was a gym going in, or never bothered to check the structure, they are mostly at fault.
If the designers were told but didn't allow for it, they're mostly at fault.
If the builder was informed but skimped on steel they're mostly at fault.

Best to wait for further detail.
Whatever way, I'd imagine a lot of people are currently checking all their recorded post and emails on this project at a frantic pace this morning.

The building was nearly 100 years old. The builder probably is free of liability in this case.


If they were dong remodeling work from something else into a gym they would have needed a builder to do some works, and also the updates mention there were at least remedial works in progress. Apologies, should have been clear I didn't mean the original.
 
2020-07-02 4:52:07 PM  
That would be so weird. You're standing there and Boom! the building is just rubble. When there's a fire, you see a little smoke, smell, see some flames, and it grows. Earthquake, you feel it, and it goes for a few seconds before the buildings start to fall. This really sounds from the description like you could turn around to unlock your car, hear noise, turn back, and suddenly it's been demo'd.
 
2020-07-02 7:02:15 PM  
maybe they were in arrears
 
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