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TWX [TotalFark]
2020-07-01 4:19:39 PM  
Since Trump and company aren't making cogent, supportable legal claims, and even most conservative judges are accustomed to considering the legal basis of claims, it's not exactly a shock that Trump loses when even judges he appoints are faced with sound legal arguments on one side and wharrgarbl on the other side.
 
2020-07-01 8:02:52 PM  
Damn these deep derp state judges!!  I'm going to see what Q has to say about this.
 
2020-07-01 9:59:58 PM  
So, the judge isn't saying the rule is against the law...but rather those dipshiats didn't follow procedure and allow for "commentary" on their rule?

/truly, these people are incompetent
//and now they're out of time
///3
 
2020-07-01 10:03:43 PM  
I mean, look at it from the perspective of the judges.

Yes, from the perspective of Trump, he gave them the job on a whim and they owe him their lives or whatever the fark.

From the perspective of the Judges all but a handful (who have largely merited FARK threads of their own for things like the ABA straight up calling them unfit for the legal profession, period) they got the job by way of working their way up for decades through the profession, under both Democratic and GOP administrations, and their current appointment is just the latest step in an incremental advancement process.

If they were going to take the attitude that they owe Trump for these appointments they'd have to also feel like they owe Obama for some of their previous CV high points, and so on.
 
2020-07-01 10:04:54 PM  
Obligatory.
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2020-07-01 10:05:00 PM  
This just proves the all-powerful Soros-funded Deep State has gotten to them too!
 
2020-07-01 10:07:57 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I mean, look at it from the perspective of the judges.

Yes, from the perspective of Trump, he gave them the job on a whim and they owe him their lives or whatever the fark.

From the perspective of the Judges all but a handful (who have largely merited FARK threads of their own for things like the ABA straight up calling them unfit for the legal profession, period) they got the job by way of working their way up for decades through the profession, under both Democratic and GOP administrations, and their current appointment is just the latest step in an incremental advancement process.

If they were going to take the attitude that they owe Trump for these appointments they'd have to also feel like they owe Obama for some of their previous CV high points, and so on.


Essentially.

It's like I tell patients when they insist I do often blatantly stupid if not overtly illegal things since they're in pain.

It took me 15 years of my adult life to get where I am. No transient favor you can offer is worth losing that.
 
2020-07-01 10:09:18 PM  
welcome to the u.s that's the 12hr long line for food stamps on your left , and the 12 hrs line to get food with the stamps on the right, you don't even need a work permit because their is no work.
 
2020-07-01 10:10:39 PM  

Sword and Shield: Jim_Callahan: I mean, look at it from the perspective of the judges.

Yes, from the perspective of Trump, he gave them the job on a whim and they owe him their lives or whatever the fark.

From the perspective of the Judges all but a handful (who have largely merited FARK threads of their own for things like the ABA straight up calling them unfit for the legal profession, period) they got the job by way of working their way up for decades through the profession, under both Democratic and GOP administrations, and their current appointment is just the latest step in an incremental advancement process.

If they were going to take the attitude that they owe Trump for these appointments they'd have to also feel like they owe Obama for some of their previous CV high points, and so on.

Essentially.

It's like I tell patients when they insist I do often blatantly stupid if not overtly illegal things since they're in pain.

It took me 15 years of my adult life to get where I am. No transient favor you can offer is worth losing that.


But you might find out what a ZJ is.
 
2020-07-01 10:12:41 PM  

ColonelCathcart: So, the judge isn't saying the rule is against the law...but rather those dipshiats didn't follow procedure and allow for "commentary" on their rule?


Par for the course with this gang of galaxy brains.  According to the Washington Post, the government normally wins 70% of Administrative Procedure Act lawsuits.  These guys can't even hit 10%.
 
2020-07-01 10:15:29 PM  
Will no one rid me of these reasonable individuals?!
 
2020-07-01 10:18:57 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Damn these deep derp state judges!!  I'm going to see what Q has to say about this.


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2020-07-01 10:21:00 PM  
Trump absolutely doesn't understand that people are loyal to the country and the Constitution rather than him personally.
Except for Barr. Barr is a complete lapdog.
 
2020-07-01 10:21:19 PM  
And a judge just ruled that Mary Trump's book can be published as scheduled.

Tonight's Twitter McDump of Rage is gonna be gooooood.
 
2020-07-01 10:24:39 PM  

ColonelCathcart: So, the judge isn't saying the rule is against the law...but rather those dipshiats didn't follow procedure and allow for "commentary" on their rule?

/truly, these people are incompetent
//and now they're out of time
///3


There's been a few of these.

Seems a lot of them want to rule in Trumps favor but don't want to be a rubber stamp and have their legacy be an overt partisan stooges. So they're basically telling the admin to do things by the book so they can at least have a veneer of looking like they ruled based purely on the law.
 
2020-07-01 10:25:41 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: ColonelCathcart: So, the judge isn't saying the rule is against the law...but rather those dipshiats didn't follow procedure and allow for "commentary" on their rule?

Par for the course with this gang of galaxy brains.  According to the Washington Post, the government normally wins 70% of Administrative Procedure Act lawsuits.  These guys can't even hit 10%.


I wonder how much of that is the incompetence of the executive branch versus sandbagging from the deep state?

/I'm going 80/20
 
2020-07-01 10:27:02 PM  
Loyalty means nothing these days
 
2020-07-01 10:31:27 PM  

rosekolodny: Sword and Shield: Jim_Callahan: I mean, look at it from the perspective of the judges.

Yes, from the perspective of Trump, he gave them the job on a whim and they owe him their lives or whatever the fark.

From the perspective of the Judges all but a handful (who have largely merited FARK threads of their own for things like the ABA straight up calling them unfit for the legal profession, period) they got the job by way of working their way up for decades through the profession, under both Democratic and GOP administrations, and their current appointment is just the latest step in an incremental advancement process.

If they were going to take the attitude that they owe Trump for these appointments they'd have to also feel like they owe Obama for some of their previous CV high points, and so on.

Essentially.

It's like I tell patients when they insist I do often blatantly stupid if not overtly illegal things since they're in pain.

It took me 15 years of my adult life to get where I am. No transient favor you can offer is worth losing that.

But you might find out what a ZJ is.


Dude, if you don't know what it is, you can't afford it.
 
2020-07-01 10:45:45 PM  
Trump is the President.
Deep State has the ability to overrule the President and make society conform to its will on any issue, at any time.

Trump has had yuuuge success as the President.

So,

That success is because Deep State wants it to happen.

Guess Trump is a Deep State operative, too.

Now back to my Vodak.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-07-01 10:49:50 PM  

rosekolodny: Sword and Shield: Jim_Callahan: I mean, look at it from the perspective of the judges.

Yes, from the perspective of Trump, he gave them the job on a whim and they owe him their lives or whatever the fark.

From the perspective of the Judges all but a handful (who have largely merited FARK threads of their own for things like the ABA straight up calling them unfit for the legal profession, period) they got the job by way of working their way up for decades through the profession, under both Democratic and GOP administrations, and their current appointment is just the latest step in an incremental advancement process.

If they were going to take the attitude that they owe Trump for these appointments they'd have to also feel like they owe Obama for some of their previous CV high points, and so on.

Essentially.

It's like I tell patients when they insist I do often blatantly stupid if not overtly illegal things since they're in pain.

It took me 15 years of my adult life to get where I am. No transient favor you can offer is worth losing that.

But you might find out what a ZJ is.


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2020-07-01 11:00:04 PM  

TWX: Since Trump and company aren't making cogent, supportable legal claims, and even most conservative judges are accustomed to considering the legal basis of claims, it's not exactly a shock that Trump loses when even judges he appoints are faced with sound legal arguments on one side and wharrgarbl on the other side.


Even the planted judges have to have at least a veneer of legal backing or language for their decisions. When all they get for an argument is MAGAAAAAARRRRRBBBLLLL! They have to side with the law.
 
2020-07-01 11:28:25 PM  

Target Builder: ColonelCathcart: So, the judge isn't saying the rule is against the law...but rather those dipshiats didn't follow procedure and allow for "commentary" on their rule?

/truly, these people are incompetent
//and now they're out of time
///3

There's been a few of these.

Seems a lot of them want to rule in Trumps favor but don't want to be a rubber stamp and have their legacy be an overt partisan stooges. So they're basically telling the admin to do things by the book so they can at least have a veneer of looking like they ruled based purely on the law.


That's along the lines of what I heard. Plus, there's not really a ground swell of support for court packing if the Democrats take over the executive and legislative branches. Chief Justice Roberts is trying to keep it this way by not going all in as a stooge right now. I think he also cares about his legacy, but I say that's f*cked no matter what he does at this point.
 
2020-07-01 11:31:09 PM  
I've beaten a few judges at golf badly and helped Nino Scalia move as a kid. Cheap cheating bastards, some of 'em.
 
2020-07-02 12:36:16 AM  
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Not so much for this story, but because a judge just lifted today's restraining order or whatever on Trump's niece's book. The book the Trump's are completely flipping out about.
 
2020-07-02 1:09:45 AM  

ColonelCathcart: So, the judge isn't saying the rule is against the law...but rather those dipshiats didn't follow procedure and allow for "commentary" on their rule?

/truly, these people are incompetent
//and now they're out of time
///3


Yes which is been foreign away the most effective legal strategy against Trump's rule- makings.  Because of something records call Chevron dereference It is very unusual For a court to overturn a rule on the substance of the rule , Agencies are presumed to be experts and know what they're doing So unless it's very very blatant What we call the arbitrary in capricious standard, Quarts will not generally substitute their judgment for that of the agency..  But the APA is not voluntary and it's steps are prescriptive.  normally There are experts who oversee this And make sure all the steps are followed, And the previous 4 administrations won these sort of challenges outright about 84% of the time.    Trump doesn't have any of these experts willing to work for him and he won't listen to the civil servants who are  also expert in this. As a result The Trump Administration wins these challengers just 6% of the time.   And every time you lose 1 you have to go back to square 1And that is about a 6-8 month procesa to do right. So if you're doing the math....
 
2020-07-02 1:35:50 AM  
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As is always the case in articles about Donald Trump.
 
2020-07-02 1:58:06 AM  
Get stuffed you turkey.
 
2020-07-02 5:42:55 PM  

TWX: Since Trump and company aren't making cogent, supportable legal claims, and even most conservative judges are accustomed to considering the legal basis of claims, it's not exactly a shock that Trump loses when even judges he appoints are faced with sound legal arguments on one side and wharrgarbl on the other side.


Except that he has been appointing as judges people who have never been in in a courtroom or passed the bar.
 
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