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(The Atlantic)   Yeah, yeah, but your politicians were so preoccupied with whether or not they *could* reopen that they didn't stop to think if they *should*. Also, viruses, uh, find a way   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2020-07-01 5:55:24 AM  
At least the virus cares about us.

I mean, in its' own way.
 
2020-07-01 5:57:01 AM  
The GOP mindset - short term gains outweigh the benefits of long term stability.

Con artists have the same mindset.
 
2020-07-01 5:59:22 AM  
I have been avoiding other people like the plague.
 
2020-07-01 6:01:32 AM  
That is one big pile of shiat.
 
2020-07-01 6:04:33 AM  
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2020-07-01 6:09:13 AM  
Stuff here has been opening and I haven't been going anywhere. I don't trust my fellow citizens to act responsibly, I took the roommate to the store the other day, usually I go at 7 am when they are empty, but this was 2 pm and it was full. Everyone was in masks but some were not following the arrows and social distancing was a joke at best. I almost had anxiety attack, I was real stressed and had to GTFO of there and almost yelled at her in the store for taking so long.
I did explain to her in the parking lot how I felt and she did tell me she was sorry and would not do that again, she already takes too many chances out in the public and it annoys me to no end. She had to quarantine over at her BFs because one of his housemates caught the virus, the rest did test negative but it does piss me off how some people just try to act like everything is fine now.
 
2020-07-01 6:18:19 AM  
Asking people to do something as easy as wearing a mask, or to not gather in large groups, seems to be a daunting task for a large part of the population.

We're pretty much screwed.

We have no leadership.
 
2020-07-01 6:24:26 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Asking people to do something as easy as wearing a mask, or to not gather in large groups, seems to be a daunting task for a large part of the population.

We're pretty much screwed.

We have no leadership.


It's not just failed leadership, it is the deep libertarian "don't tell me what to do" culture. Some large percentage of the population is so selfishly focused on their rights, they are blinded to their responsibilities to protect a "free" society. Freedom sometimes means shared sacrifice.
 
2020-07-01 6:25:02 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Asking people to do something as easy as wearing a mask, or to not gather in large groups, seems to be a daunting task for a large part of the population.

We're pretty much screwed.

We have no leadership.


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2020-07-01 6:31:23 AM  

Shaggy_C: That is one big pile of shiat.


Been seeing a lot of the Jeff Goldblum meme, so here's mine.
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2020-07-01 6:33:07 AM  
FTFA -These are difficult times to live in. It isn't fair that so many Americans have to navigate this crisis without clear leadership, with no end in sight.

I suppose, but the things you and I need to do have been spelled out many times. Do you really need someone to 'hold your hand' so you can wear a mask or wash your hands? Or, are you a leaf on the water and just go with whatever flow you happen to land on? The fact that we have the information and yet we have this massive wave of idiots who just cannot operate without showing off their shiat to others in social settings. Those who cannot survive without others approval are so sad, and yet they are going to kill us all... wonderful.

/FYI... Fairness is a human thing. Nature is nature. If something is fair or unfair, it is because of humans. The US society is very unfair, but it is not due to some external, malicious power. It is your fellow human doing it.
 
2020-07-01 6:37:16 AM  

I_told_you_so: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Asking people to do something as easy as wearing a mask, or to not gather in large groups, seems to be a daunting task for a large part of the population.

We're pretty much screwed.

We have no leadership.

It's not just failed leadership, it is the deep libertarian "don't tell me what to do" culture. Some large percentage of the population is so selfishly focused on their rights, they are blinded to their responsibilities to protect a "free" society. Freedom sometimes means shared sacrifice.


It's the leadership that actively disdains and fights against the scientifically proven, simple motherfarking things, that slow the spread of the virus.

If Trump and Pence wore masks and told Americans to do so, you wouldn't hear a peep from "libertarians".
 
2020-07-01 6:37:37 AM  

BafflerMeal: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Asking people to do something as easy as wearing a mask, or to not gather in large groups, seems to be a daunting task for a large part of the population.

We're pretty much screwed.

We have no leadership.

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Shoot the hostage
 
2020-07-01 6:38:17 AM  

I_told_you_so: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Asking people to do something as easy as wearing a mask, or to not gather in large groups, seems to be a daunting task for a large part of the population.

We're pretty much screwed.

We have no leadership.

It's not just failed leadership, it is the deep libertarian "don't tell me what to do" culture. Some large percentage of the population is so selfishly focused on their rights, they are blinded to their responsibilities to protect a "free" society. Freedom sometimes means shared sacrifice.


And in this, the Libertarians/Republicans/"small government" assholes have won the day. All those years of trying to shrink the Federal Government, well all government really, unsuccessfully was really just them playing the long game. Nothing has eroded public faith in government like years of GOP ineptitude and government needs people to believe in it for it to be effective. Bravo assholes. You've successfully broken the USA.
 
2020-07-01 6:49:40 AM  
Stuff has been open two months in Georgia.  Yet the economy is not super kickass because several restaurants close temporarily every day because employees keep getting sick and many customers are afraid to get sick.  Hardly anyone goes to the gym for the same reason.  You can forget movie theaters. 

It turns out that the economy is made up of people.  People don't serve the economy. They are the economy.
 
2020-07-01 6:51:33 AM  
I put myself on a stay at home order two weeks ago based on the numbers and behavior I saw. The numbers are far worse. I do notice a lot more people in masks when I go to the store though, so I am somewhat hopeful. It's going to be a boring summer.
 
2020-07-01 6:55:29 AM  
No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.
 
2020-07-01 6:59:09 AM  

Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.


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2020-07-01 7:02:02 AM  

Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.


Because Americans are self-entitled adolescents who have no concept of sacrifice for the greater good?
Because we'd rather kill people in order to restart the economy than provide a socialistic life raft?
Just spitballing here.
 
2020-07-01 7:02:48 AM  

Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.


Lots of supposed public health experts declared that it was not just okay, but good, to go out and be around other people for prolonged periods.  When people are shouting and yelling, no less.  As long as you have a good reason.

And lots of people realize paying their bills and feeding their kids is a better reason to leave the house than protesting over a death that four cops already got arrested for.
 
2020-07-01 7:06:24 AM  

phamwaa: Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.

Because Americans are self-entitled adolescents who have no concept of sacrifice for the greater good?
Because we'd rather kill people in order to restart the economy than provide a socialistic life raft?
Just spitballing here.


Ok, the official reason, not the real reason.
 
2020-07-01 7:08:13 AM  

Dork Gently: Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.

Lots of supposed public health experts declared that it was not just okay, but good, to go out and be around other people for prolonged periods.  When people are shouting and yelling, no less.  As long as you have a good reason.

And lots of people realize paying their bills and feeding their kids is a better reason to leave the house than protesting over a death that four cops already got arrested for.


Narrator:  "they" never declared that.  Trump people are always looking for reasons to discount experts.
 
2020-07-01 7:08:47 AM  

Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.


Because "It's time." That's all I can get out of anyone.

My mother in law is stuck in a loop where she says, "Why aren't you opening everything up in North Carolina? We're reopening in Tennessee." "Because our numbers are getting worse here." "Our numbers are getting worse here too, but they're opening up anyway. Why aren't you opening up?" "Because our governor isn't a Republican."

She can't imagine a Republican government taking a course of action that is wrong or malicious, so if she doesn't understand why they're doing something that appears wrong or malicious to an outside observer it's because they're operating on a higher level of wisdom that she must trust.
 
2020-07-01 7:12:35 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Dork Gently: Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.

Lots of supposed public health experts declared that it was not just okay, but good, to go out and be around other people for prolonged periods.  When people are shouting and yelling, no less.  As long as you have a good reason.

And lots of people realize paying their bills and feeding their kids is a better reason to leave the house than protesting over a death that four cops already got arrested for.

Narrator:  "they" never declared that.  Trump people are always looking for reasons to discount experts.


Bullshiat.
 
2020-07-01 7:17:13 AM  

Dork Gently: Rapmaster2000: Dork Gently: Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.

Lots of supposed public health experts declared that it was not just okay, but good, to go out and be around other people for prolonged periods.  When people are shouting and yelling, no less.  As long as you have a good reason.

And lots of people realize paying their bills and feeding their kids is a better reason to leave the house than protesting over a death that four cops already got arrested for.

Narrator:  "they" never declared that.  Trump people are always looking for reasons to discount experts.

Bullshiat.


You read Slate. What artisan lattes should we be buying this year?
 
2020-07-01 7:23:12 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Dork Gently: Rapmaster2000: Dork Gently: Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.

Lots of supposed public health experts declared that it was not just okay, but good, to go out and be around other people for prolonged periods.  When people are shouting and yelling, no less.  As long as you have a good reason.

And lots of people realize paying their bills and feeding their kids is a better reason to leave the house than protesting over a death that four cops already got arrested for.

Narrator:  "they" never declared that.  Trump people are always looking for reasons to discount experts.

Bullshiat.

You read Slate. What artisan lattes should we be buying this year?


Would you prefer a link to Forbes?  The WSJ?  That open letter was covered in most or all of the major media outlets; I just picked a typically left-wing one that was near the top of search results for "protests must be supported".
 
2020-07-01 7:29:34 AM  

Rapmaster2000: It turns out that the economy is made up of people. People don't serve the economy. They are the economy.


There are no people, they're human capital stock, and the human capital stock is under-performing in its assigned task of making money for their betters.

Back to work! A dozen billionaires are depending on you.
 
2020-07-01 7:33:54 AM  

Dork Gently: Rapmaster2000: Dork Gently: Rapmaster2000: Dork Gently: Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.

Lots of supposed public health experts declared that it was not just okay, but good, to go out and be around other people for prolonged periods.  When people are shouting and yelling, no less.  As long as you have a good reason.

And lots of people realize paying their bills and feeding their kids is a better reason to leave the house than protesting over a death that four cops already got arrested for.

Narrator:  "they" never declared that.  Trump people are always looking for reasons to discount experts.

Bullshiat.

You read Slate. What artisan lattes should we be buying this year?

Would you prefer a link to Forbes?  The WSJ?  That open letter was covered in most or all of the major media outlets; I just picked a typically left-wing one that was near the top of search results for "protests must be supported".


Not Forbes.  Forbes is what poor people think that rich people read.

Get me one from WSJ, one from FT, and also you should be able to find a Barron's.
 
2020-07-01 7:36:55 AM  
Like a nation of chainsmokers chewing nicotine gum only to realize it was talking, to random strangers, that gave the dopamine on smoke breaks.
 
2020-07-01 7:38:21 AM  
Reopen. 

1.) Economy stays afloat. 
2.) Reduced business means less pollution all around still.
3.) Population reduction from the virus on the vulnerable population. 

Leftists get everything they want: reduced pollution, population control, wealth redistribution from the dead, etc
 
2020-07-01 7:47:19 AM  

Dadoody: Reopen. 

1.) Economy stays afloat. 
2.) Reduced business means less pollution all around still.
3.) Population reduction from the virus on the vulnerable population. 

Leftists get everything they want: reduced pollution, population control, wealth redistribution from the dead, etc


Isn't there some bleach you should be drinking right about now?
 
2020-07-01 7:49:28 AM  

Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.


Because trump said that the cure couldn't be worse than the disease. Because doing reasonable things never occurred to him. He personally wanted it so. He was scared of reduced economic figures and thought he could simply storm through it. And since it's his guts that do the political thinking in the United States of America and not some educated and prepared advisor, you have to thank them for the new rise in numbers. Them and the GOP governor lickspittles who didn't dare to go against them because they were scared of trump and his wrath.

The US did almost everything wrong that could be done wrong. And since it is trump and the GOP we are talking about they'll likely continue to do so.
 
2020-07-01 7:50:24 AM  

Dork Gently: Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.

Lots of supposed public health experts declared that it was not just okay, but good, to go out and be around other people for prolonged periods.  When people are shouting and yelling, no less.  As long as you have a good reason.

And lots of people realize paying their bills and feeding their kids is a better reason to leave the house than protesting over a death that four cops already got arrested for.


Faaaaaarrrrrtttttt...
 
2020-07-01 7:53:22 AM  
I was on a call with several other states and they were sharing where they were at and status of reopening. One of our folks asked about if anyone was working on re-closing plans......crickets. Wishful thinking and weak leadership all over.
 
2020-07-01 7:57:17 AM  

Dadoody: Reopen. 

1.) Economy stays afloat. 
2.) Reduced business means less pollution all around still.
3.) Population reduction from the virus on the vulnerable population. 

Leftists get everything they want: reduced pollution, population control, wealth redistribution from the dead, etc


Wow, you really beat the living shiat out of that strawman you built.  Good jerb!
 
2020-07-01 7:58:14 AM  
It was a great idea and all, but human nature just hasn't evolved to that point yet.  Everybody stay home, wear masks is the same as the beauty queen saying world peace, end world hunger.

Flu has killed 500k in the last decade, no lock downs.  AIDS has killed hundreds of thousands in the last decade, no forced govt restrictions.

With those diseases, ppl in high risk categories take steps to protect themselves.  And nobody complains about it. Why should covid be different?

This is common sense: If a city or state's hospitals are at 80% capacity, lock it down for a few weeks. Everywhere else, continue doing the same thing we do with every other infectious disease.
 
2020-07-01 8:05:19 AM  
One more thing. A lot of these states reopened at the beginning of May or earlier (Georgia, Florida, Texas) some never even shut down.

This spike didn't start happening until a couple weeks ago (6 weeks later)

Right when the media started showing video of ppl out and about in large groups, many with no masks etc.

coincidence?
 
2020-07-01 8:17:43 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Flu has killed 500k in the last decade, no lock downs.  AIDS has killed hundreds of thousands in the last decade, no forced govt restrictions.


Covid-19 has kill 500,000k in 7 months. At that rate, it will kill 8.57 million in a decade if it continues to kill at a constant rate.

This analysis, of course, is wrong, because it's a growing pandemic and we know that the 500k is an undercount.

So. What percentage of the human race has to die in a decade before a disease is serious enough?

\ We already know you're genocidal, we're just negotiating the price.
 
2020-07-01 8:20:46 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: GrizzlyPouch: Flu has killed 500k in the last decade, no lock downs.  AIDS has killed hundreds of thousands in the last decade, no forced govt restrictions.

Covid-19 has kill 500,000k in 7 months. At that rate, it will kill 8.57 million in a decade if it continues to kill at a constant rate.

This analysis, of course, is wrong, because it's a growing pandemic and we know that the 500k is an undercount.

So. What percentage of the human race has to die in a decade before a disease is serious enough?

\ We already know you're genocidal, we're just negotiating the price.


So long as he doesn't die, the entire planet could.
 
2020-07-01 8:24:55 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Asking people to do something as easy as wearing a mask, or to not gather in large groups, seems to be a daunting task for a large part of the population.

We're pretty much screwed.

We have no leadership.


Here in Switzerland everything is open, groups of up to a 1000 are allowed, social distancing is ignored, and ain't no one wearing a mask, not even on public transportation. I guess the virus just vanished or something.
 
2020-07-01 8:33:32 AM  
Ctrl-F: "BLM" or "protests" = 0.
 
2020-07-01 8:34:00 AM  

Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.


Stonks.

Trump is convinced that they key to his victory in November is the Stonk Market. He doesn't understand that getting the pandemic under control now would mean major rebounds in October so that the news leading in to election day would be record gains day after day (even though the starting point is really low and the effect is entirely rebound rather than new growth, but that doesn't matter to the low information voters who decide elections).

If he had the brains of a dormouse he'd have gone all-in following the best advice and using the most qualified people to run things, and he'd be heading into election day having beaten a global pandemic and with the stock market roaring upwards in rebound. Instead we'll be hitting around a quarter million dead right around then, and the artificial means used to inflate the market will be failing.
 
2020-07-01 8:37:03 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: It was a great idea and all, but human nature just hasn't evolved to that point yet.  Everybody stay home, wear masks is the same as the beauty queen saying world peace, end world hunger.

Flu has killed 500k in the last decade, no lock downs.  AIDS has killed hundreds of thousands in the last decade, no forced govt restrictions.

With those diseases, ppl in high risk categories take steps to protect themselves.  And nobody complains about it. Why should covid be different?

This is common sense: If a city or state's hospitals are at 80% capacity, lock it down for a few weeks. Everywhere else, continue doing the same thing we do with every other infectious disease.


Conservatives are such whiny snowflakes.

Same people: Wear a mask and stay home.

Conservative: I can't.

Same people: Huh? You will be helping people

Conservative: don't wanna.

fark your feelings snowflake.  You met adversity and crumbled like feta cheese.

Your ancestors are ashamed of your precious little feelings.

Grow up.
 
2020-07-01 8:50:40 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Asking people to do something as easy as wearing a mask, or to not gather in large groups, seems to be a daunting task for a large part of the population.

We're pretty much screwed.

We have no leadership.

Here in Switzerland everything is open, groups of up to a 1000 are allowed, social distancing is ignored, and ain't no one wearing a mask, not even on public transportation. I guess the virus just vanished or something.


I guess that makes me feel a little better that stupidity is universal, and not limited to the US.

You would just think that with a pandemic taking place, that people would wear a damn mask.
 
2020-07-01 9:04:13 AM  

Pernicious Q. Varmint: Mugato: No one can answer the simple question of why things are re-opening when things are worse now than when everything closed.

Stonks.

Trump is convinced that they key to his victory in November is the Stonk Market. He doesn't understand that getting the pandemic under control now would mean major rebounds in October so that the news leading in to election day would be record gains day after day (even though the starting point is really low and the effect is entirely rebound rather than new growth, but that doesn't matter to the low information voters who decide elections).

If he had the brains of a dormouse he'd have gone all-in following the best advice and using the most qualified people to run things, and he'd be heading into election day having beaten a global pandemic and with the stock market roaring upwards in rebound. Instead we'll be hitting around a quarter million dead right around then, and the artificial means used to inflate the market will be failing.


Plus, Americans (really most people, but Americans in particular) have terrible memories. Whip them every day for a month and then give them a pat on the head and a puppy on the last day and the majority are going to forget who it was that was whipping them. It's one reason why Republicans rock the midterms more often than Dems do - they cause tons of problems, Dems come in and try to fix them (which is sometimes hard), then the Republicans come in and not only blame the Dems for the problems they caused, but also for the hardship caused by the fixes which wouldn't have been necessary without them breaking it in the first place (cue that comic with the elephant and the vase).

And it works every time because Americans never stop and consider why there was a problem that needed to be fixed in the first place.

If Trump just locked it all down but things ended up better in October, people would forget about the fact that he botched it beforehand. He doesn't need to care about stonks in April. Care about them in October (not that stonks actually reflect the state of the economy, but to him and many it's just a scorecard that is the end all be all).
 
2020-07-01 9:11:02 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: GrizzlyPouch: Flu has killed 500k in the last decade, no lock downs.  AIDS has killed hundreds of thousands in the last decade, no forced govt restrictions.

Covid-19 has kill 500,000k in 7 months. At that rate, it will kill 8.57 million in a decade if it continues to kill at a constant rate.

This analysis, of course, is wrong, because it's a growing pandemic and we know that the 500k is an undercount.

So. What percentage of the human race has to die in a decade before a disease is serious enough?

\ We already know you're genocidal, we're just negotiating the price.


Almost 800k died from AIDS globally last year.  So you tell me.  You ready to start demanding people stop engaging in the behaviors that are risk factors for spreading HIV?

https://www.unaids.org/en/resources/f​a​ct-sheet
 
2020-07-01 9:18:58 AM  
I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

Btw, the flu numbers in my post were US only.   Globally, that's more than 500 thousand deaths per year also.

So ask yourself this.  Are you really concerned about deaths caused from disease?

Or are you just pretending to with covid because it makes Trump look bad?
 
2020-07-01 9:27:14 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account:

Btw, the flu numbers in my post were US only.   Globally, that's more than 500 thousand deaths per year also.

So ask yourself this.  Are you really concerned about deaths caused from disease?

Or are you just pretending to with covid because it makes Trump look bad?


You are such a delicate snowflake.  I can't believe the libs triggered you so hard by wearing masks.  Sorry we hurt your fee fees.

Snowflake.
 
2020-07-01 9:42:09 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Or are you just pretending to with covid because it makes Trump look bad?


There are dozens of things that make Trump look bad that have nothing to do with Covid.
 
2020-07-01 9:52:02 AM  
And entire article just to repeat what docs and scientists have been saying about this since January: "OPEN" does not mean "SAFE", and "SAFE" should always come before "OPEN". Not a difficult concept.

If the morons that are doing this would have followed that simple logic this country might have been done with this shat back in March or April. It's July now and the count is in the thousands of new cases a day and moving quickly toward the tens of thousands while more and more shat closes back up, and the clusterfark worsens. Thank you impatient asshole children for this gift of monumental stupidity.
 
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