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2020-06-30 3:34:13 PM  
They've got the same fundamental problem: the content networks can keep raising prices, and people will blame the cable company (or satellite company or linear-TV streaming service) for how much it costs.

If we get nothing else from the fragmentation of streaming apps like Disney+, Peacock, CBS All Access, etc., consumers at least get to see how much each of these companies think their content is worth.
 
2020-06-30 3:39:44 PM  
Hulu Live has much better picture quality. I tried a trial of YouTube TV just to see if it was better than Hulu Live. It's not. The picture quality of YouTube TV was noticably lower resolution/compressed. Hulu Live still the best.
 
2020-06-30 3:45:00 PM  
Remember back in the late 80's and 90's we told the cable companies we wanted a-la carte pricing?

Well, SURPRISE B*TCHES!!!


/Only took 30 goddamn years.
 
2020-06-30 3:55:03 PM  
For about that price, I got Hulu+ Live (local channels, too), Disney+, and ESPN+.
 
2020-06-30 3:57:01 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Remember back in the late 80's and 90's we told the cable companies we wanted a-la carte pricing?

Well, SURPRISE B*TCHES!!!


/Only took 30 goddamn years.


We also said we'd pay a bit more if it came without commercials, which is essentially what is happening.
 
2020-06-30 4:00:52 PM  
Yeah, I have Netflix, CBS All access, Disney+, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Roku, VUDU, CW and probably some other ones, who the fark knows. And now NBC is coming out with their own streaming service. I'm thinking just regular cable would have been a better choice. Or just watch movies because TV sucks anyway.
 
2020-06-30 4:19:32 PM  
There's nothing more American than "overpriced and underwhelming".
 
2020-06-30 4:30:56 PM  

Mugato: Yeah, I have Netflix, CBS All access, Disney+, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Roku, VUDU, CW and probably some other ones, who the fark knows. And now NBC is coming out with their own streaming service. I'm thinking just regular cable would have been a better choice. Or just watch movies because TV sucks anyway.


We just ditched DirecTV and have HULU Live w/no commercials. We're paying $75 a month for it. Our Netflix is paid by T-mobile and we piggy back our Disney+ from my hubby's Tia. We're saving $100 a month that way.
 
2020-06-30 5:10:21 PM  
Maybe it's just me, but "he fixes the streaming service?" just doesn't have the right feel to it.
 
2020-06-30 5:12:54 PM  

Driedsponge: NewportBarGuy: Remember back in the late 80's and 90's we told the cable companies we wanted a-la carte pricing?

Well, SURPRISE B*TCHES!!!


/Only took 30 goddamn years.

We also said we'd pay a bit more if it came without commercials, which is essentially what is happening.


That's how cable started. Just wait, the streamers will add in commercials.
 
2020-06-30 5:26:26 PM  

gameshowhost: There's nothing more American than "overpriced and underwhelming".


Got us to the moon didn't it?
 
2020-06-30 5:29:25 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Remember back in the late 80's and 90's we told the cable companies we wanted a-la carte pricing?

Well, SURPRISE B*TCHES!!!


/Only took 30 goddamn years.


The thing is that YouTube TV isn't a la carte. It's the standard cable TV model of putting all the channels in a package that you either take or leave.

What everyone really wants is a service where you can add ONLY the specific channels and leave off the stuff you don't want to pay for, where you can choose to not have Fox News or ESPN without it affecting your other channels. That is true al a carte.
 
2020-06-30 6:01:59 PM  
I don't get how their business model works without holding your internet connection hostage.  It's just a version of cable package that cost the same or more as getting TV from cable.

I understand a short term subscription for the NHL Playoffs, I don't understand why anyone would subscribe long term.
 
2020-06-30 6:02:05 PM  
I have Disney+, CBS All Access, Netflix and (for now) HBOMax. I pay less than $50 a month (right at $100 if you include internet). It's still a fraction of what I was paying DirecTV for a premium package. And I only watched a handful of the channels offered. I hate that I waited so long to cut the cord.

I like being able to buy on a monthly basis. I won't hesitate to drop a streaming service if they hike up prices.
 
2020-06-30 6:02:26 PM  
I have zero interest in linear television.  $65 to watch commercials?  fark that.
 
2020-06-30 6:15:51 PM  

Mugato: Yeah, I have Netflix, CBS All access, Disney+, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Roku, VUDU, CW and probably some other ones, who the fark knows. And now NBC is coming out with their own streaming service. I'm thinking just regular cable would have been a better choice. Or just watch movies because TV sucks anyway.


I have Prime Video, Hulu (comes with Spotify even though the ads suck), YouTube TV, and use my GF's Netflix account. In a couple weeks, I'll have ad-free Peacock.

Since sports aren't likely to return to normal soon, I might just drop the YTTV for now.
 
2020-06-30 6:25:08 PM  

Mad_Radhu: NewportBarGuy: Remember back in the late 80's and 90's we told the cable companies we wanted a-la carte pricing?

Well, SURPRISE B*TCHES!!!


/Only took 30 goddamn years.

The thing is that YouTube TV isn't a la carte. It's the standard cable TV model of putting all the channels in a package that you either take or leave.

What everyone really wants is a service where you can add ONLY the specific channels and leave off the stuff you don't want to pay for, where you can choose to not have Fox News or ESPN without it affecting your other channels. That is true al a carte.


Does anyone really want that though?
 
2020-06-30 6:33:59 PM  

tudorgurl: Mugato: Yeah, I have Netflix, CBS All access, Disney+, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Roku, VUDU, CW and probably some other ones, who the fark knows. And now NBC is coming out with their own streaming service. I'm thinking just regular cable would have been a better choice. Or just watch movies because TV sucks anyway.

We just ditched DirecTV and have HULU Live w/no commercials. We're paying $75 a month for it. Our Netflix is paid by T-mobile and we piggy back our Disney+ from my hubby's Tia. We're saving $100 a month that way.


I do admit that losing commercials is worth all of it. Roku or Vudu or whatever it is I watch Newsradio and Alf is on that still has commercials I'm like WTF is this shiat interrupting the show trying to sell me shiat? Even though I've lived with it all my life, it's easy to forget about if you go without it for a while.
 
2020-06-30 6:39:43 PM  
I've gotten myself down to Hulu Live, HBO Max, Disney+, AppleTV(For All Mankind is amazing FYI), & and Prime for the shipping but the video was a nice addition. I tried CVS All Access and found the content severely lacking.
 
2020-06-30 6:57:37 PM  

jayphat: I've gotten myself down to Hulu Live, HBO Max, Disney+, AppleTV(For All Mankind is amazing FYI), & and Prime for the shipping but the video was a nice addition. I tried CVS All Access and found the content severely lacking.


The "content is severely lacking" argument is my biggest complaint for HBO Max compared to vanilla HBO.
 
M-G [TotalFark]
2020-06-30 7:00:07 PM  
Disruption!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 
2020-06-30 7:07:28 PM  
I did an incredible delight in pirating. I picked two things to subscribe to, Netflix and the criterion channel. Disney can eat a bag of dicks and die
 
2020-06-30 7:10:21 PM  

RussianPotato: gameshowhost: There's nothing more American than "overpriced and underwhelming".

Got us to the moon didn't it?


I have you flagged as a troll with no value.
This did not disappoint.
Life is too short.
 
2020-06-30 7:11:26 PM  
That's far too much for me to even consider. I've been trying to decide for months whether or not to pay $39.99 for Night Flight Plus for a year and what they have on offer is much, much more appealing to me than anything Youtube TV has. I prefer to own my media rather than rent it.
 
2020-06-30 8:01:25 PM  
As long as they don't make us commit to a year long contract I'm ok with switching around services anytime I want to. For me, one or two at a time is good. Not this one here, though, that's nuts.
 
2020-06-30 8:03:56 PM  
I cut the chord in 2010 because I got so sick of cable TV's twice-yearly jackup of rates simply to keep afloat the greed of execs who run dogsh*t channels like MSNBC, Fox News, and the bazillion Discovery garbage channels. I can't believe that morans are still shelling out $150 or more per month for that trash.

Watching Chris Matthews giving his farewell speech and then farking off forever (seen on Twitter) was wonderful to watch.
 
2020-06-30 8:06:58 PM  

Gordon Bennett: That's far too much for me to even consider. I've been trying to decide for months whether or not to pay $39.99 for Night Flight Plus for a year and what they have on offer is much, much more appealing to me than anything Youtube TV has. I prefer to own my media rather than rent it.


Wait. WHAT?

Night Flight has a streaming service now!

PLEASE tell me that it has reruns of Dynaman! PLEASE!!
 
2020-06-30 8:10:55 PM  

RussianPotato: gameshowhost: There's nothing more American than "overpriced and underwhelming".

Got us to the moon didn't it?


The Mercury and Apollo programs were a steal when you consider all the technology they spawned, and the scientific knowledge the world reaped was, roughly speaking, priceless. Underpriced, overwhelming.
 
2020-06-30 8:13:59 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Gordon Bennett: That's far too much for me to even consider. I've been trying to decide for months whether or not to pay $39.99 for Night Flight Plus for a year and what they have on offer is much, much more appealing to me than anything Youtube TV has. I prefer to own my media rather than rent it.

Wait. WHAT?

Night Flight has a streaming service now!

PLEASE tell me that it has reruns of Dynaman! PLEASE!!


Yes it does. It's awesome!
 
2020-06-30 8:16:38 PM  

styckx: Hulu Live has much better picture quality. I tried a trial of YouTube TV just to see if it was better than Hulu Live. It's not. The picture quality of YouTube TV was noticably lower resolution/compressed. Hulu Live still the best.


YouTube TV is the only one that doesn't geolock you. I have a house and a cabin and it allows me to use the package wherever (so long as I don't go over the max number of simultaneous streams). Hulu makes it so that you have to use the internet form your chosen "home" wifi every month or eventually that device will lose access. Worse it even makes it so you can't use regular hulu in that instance. In that way it is my favorite. Too bad the only good youtube red exclusive content is Cobra Kai.

It is still substantially cheaper than two cable packages and actually works in more than one location unlike Hulu Live TV.
 
2020-06-30 8:19:56 PM  
I just wish they would do some kind of pro-rating of the prices (like auto insurance companies have been doing) since there are no big-time sports right now (I still don't think it's a good idea for the NBA and MLB to start back up again either).
 
2020-06-30 8:47:26 PM  
I have cable TV and internet through the same company.  Contrary to a lot of folks in my area, the cable internet service has been great.  I've been thinking about cancelling cable TV, and I'm really curious if the internet service will suddenly get worse...by coincidence.
 
2020-06-30 8:50:45 PM  

DesertCoyote: jayphat: I've gotten myself down to Hulu Live, HBO Max, Disney+, AppleTV(For All Mankind is amazing FYI), & and Prime for the shipping but the video was a nice addition. I tried CVS All Access and found the content severely lacking.

The "content is severely lacking" argument is my biggest complaint for HBO Max compared to vanilla HBO.


HBO Max is also the biggest "Lipstick on a Pig" deal I've ran into. You don't create a "premium content" service only to have it anchored by reruns of awful sitcoms like "Friends."
 
2020-06-30 9:59:35 PM  
I don't have a use for the services that stream live cable TV channels. It's the same lame channels I wasn't watching back when I had cable TV, just delivered a different way.

/got rid of cable TV a little over a decade ago
 
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2020-06-30 10:06:46 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Remember back in the late 80's and 90's we told the cable companies we wanted a-la carte pricing?

Well, SURPRISE B*TCHES!!!


/Only took 30 goddamn years.


A price hike associated with the inclusion of channels i dont give a fark about isnt a la carte in the slightest.

Good job making piracy look even more enticing than it already does.
 
2020-06-30 10:19:13 PM  
 
2020-06-30 11:13:29 PM  

M-G: Disruption!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


The reasoning behind this was covered right at the start of the thread. There's no way to disrupt this industry, because at the end of the day the cost of your content package corresponds with how much the content provider thinks its content is worth to it. The content won't be magically cheaper just because someone other than the cable company is providing it to you. If you don't want to pay for the content, then stop wanting to consume it, and your problems will be solved.
 
2020-06-30 11:17:56 PM  

Mad_Radhu: NewportBarGuy: Remember back in the late 80's and 90's we told the cable companies we wanted a-la carte pricing?

Well, SURPRISE B*TCHES!!!


/Only took 30 goddamn years.

The thing is that YouTube TV isn't a la carte. It's the standard cable TV model of putting all the channels in a package that you either take or leave.

What everyone really wants is a service where you can add ONLY the specific channels and leave off the stuff you don't want to pay for, where you can choose to not have Fox News or ESPN without it affecting your other channels. That is true al a carte.


If that business model made sense, someone would be doing it. The fact that no one is doing it should tell you all you need to know about whether it could work at all.

As it is there is premium content product that has a high cost, and some tv providers do offer that a la carte (premium movie channels on cable, various packages on the streamers, etc) but to decide that you want, for example, FXX but not Fox News doesn't make sense for Fox or for the tv provider, because the package pricing for a content provider's entire channel lineup is such that it doesn't make sense for anyone to break out individual channels.
 
2020-06-30 11:22:44 PM  
Crunchyroll, FunimationNow, Amazon video (through Prime) and Netflix. I laugh when YouTube tries to get me to sign up.
 
2020-06-30 11:27:25 PM  
Wait... people pay for YouTube?
 
2020-07-01 12:27:44 AM  
At this point, my wife and I just DVR a few things from the antenna. I've been nagging my landlord to get a proper run for the FTA dish so I can get my news/international stuff again (NHK, NBC news feeds, CCTV Documentary, and some PBS on 87W). There's plenty to do besides sit on my slowly spreading ass and watch TV.
 
2020-07-01 12:44:10 AM  

Gordon Bennett: That's far too much for me to even consider. I've been trying to decide for months whether or not to pay $39.99 for Night Flight Plus for a year and what they have on offer is much, much more appealing to me than anything Youtube TV has. I prefer to own my media rather than rent it.


They don't introduce a lot of new content, and much of the stuff they put on there is on YouTube for free. It's good for old Night Flight episodes, J Men, Forbidden Zone, and a little more, but I got burnt out on it after 9 months. I don't think they will ever put more Night Flight episodes on there than they currently have.
 
2020-07-01 1:35:41 AM  

Mad_Radhu: NewportBarGuy: Remember back in the late 80's and 90's we told the cable companies we wanted a-la carte pricing?

Well, SURPRISE B*TCHES!!!


/Only took 30 goddamn years.

The thing is that YouTube TV isn't a la carte. It's the standard cable TV model of putting all the channels in a package that you either take or leave.

What everyone really wants is a service where you can add ONLY the specific channels and leave off the stuff you don't want to pay for, where you can choose to not have Fox News or ESPN without it affecting your other channels. That is true al a carte.


Especially when the cable companies liked to force you to get 400 redundant channels to get the combination of 6 you wanted as each tier would be lacking in a crucial way.

So somehow you had to have 15 different HBOs just so you could have ESPN and Cartoon Network and Comedy Central. Also somehow TBS and TNT and TCM are not basic cable.
 
2020-07-01 1:38:28 AM  

bayoukitty: I have Disney+, CBS All Access, Netflix and (for now) HBOMax. I pay less than $50 a month (right at $100 if you include internet). It's still a fraction of what I was paying DirecTV for a premium package. And I only watched a handful of the channels offered. I hate that I waited so long to cut the cord.

I like being able to buy on a monthly basis. I won't hesitate to drop a streaming service if they hike up prices.


Yeah all the "this is the a la carte you wanted, biatches " folks always leave out that no one needs ALL the streaming services. And most have made it easy to switch/cancel.

Of course the cable companies would love to fragment all the channels into atoms.
 
2020-07-01 2:17:05 AM  

mcreadyblue: Mad_Radhu: NewportBarGuy: Remember back in the late 80's and 90's we told the cable companies we wanted a-la carte pricing?

Well, SURPRISE B*TCHES!!!


/Only took 30 goddamn years.

The thing is that YouTube TV isn't a la carte. It's the standard cable TV model of putting all the channels in a package that you either take or leave.

What everyone really wants is a service where you can add ONLY the specific channels and leave off the stuff you don't want to pay for, where you can choose to not have Fox News or ESPN without it affecting your other channels. That is true al a carte.

Does anyone really want that though?


If I could remove Fox News from my cable bill to save 50 cents a month, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Fark those guys. It offends me that I'm helping to pay for their channel to exist.
 
2020-07-01 2:24:05 AM  

DesertCoyote: DesertCoyote: jayphat: I've gotten myself down to Hulu Live, HBO Max, Disney+, AppleTV(For All Mankind is amazing FYI), & and Prime for the shipping but the video was a nice addition. I tried CVS All Access and found the content severely lacking.

The "content is severely lacking" argument is my biggest complaint for HBO Max compared to vanilla HBO.

HBO Max is also the biggest "Lipstick on a Pig" deal I've ran into. You don't create a "premium content" service only to have it anchored by reruns of awful sitcoms like "Friends."


On the flip side, I now have Doom Patrol, which I didn't have when I just had HBO Go. Same price (free with my cell phone plan), with more stuff.

Doom Patrol Orgasm Scene DOOM PATROL 1x14 [HD]
Youtube wmNZT8wTEJ0


The TCM and Studio Ghibli collections have some good stuff as well.
 
2020-07-01 4:05:51 AM  
I cancelled when they went up to $50. When I read this I laughed my head off. No sports and $65? Yea ok, whatever shareholders.
 
2020-07-01 4:26:55 AM  

Mad_Radhu: The TCM and Studio Ghibli collections have some good stuff as well.


TCM comes with my sat-sub. It should really be called "A couple of classic movies owned by Turner Broadcasting and a whole shiat load of crappy movies that we also own".
 
2020-07-01 6:27:19 AM  
Haha, no.

I have Amazon Prime because I buy things. I have Netflix. I leech off someone else's Disney+.

I'm not paying $40-50 (let alone $150) a month for movies and TV that I rarely watch.
 
2020-07-01 10:41:41 AM  
I have Netflix, Disney+, & Amazon.  The kid has Hulu & Showtime thru a student subscription from her college.  Pluto & Roku are free and have a lot to watch on them.  I also have an antenna that can pick up about 6 watchable channels (I actually get around 20 but the rest are church, weather, or in Spanish)  for when we only want background noise for the pets when we aren't home.  We get our internet from the only cable company that services my home.  With all those options we as a family are still paying less than a mid tier cable bill & would still want some of those services.  I have no need for any live TV shows when a week later they show up on Hulu.  I have thought of getting CBS since I'm a trek fan, but I would probably binge the shows & then want to give it up till the next season is out.  So as the live TV options keep increasing in price, the less attractive they become to me.
 
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