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(Talking Points Memo)   Here's a lot of words to say: "Biden must hold Trump accountable"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  
Nobody is going to hold Trump accountable. Nobody in leadership positions in our government wants corruption to be rooted out because it might come back on them some day.
 
3 days ago  
But... comity. Comity!! HEAL TEH NATION!1 bipartizin!
 
3 days ago  
"If Joe Biden wins the election in November he will immediately be confronted with a broken country and a host of public crises - a pandemic, a wrecked economy, a longterm need to restabilize a sputtering global order."

... really pathetic that climate change isn't the first thing listed. Seriously? It's only *the* crisis in human history. NBD.
 
3 days ago  

gameshowhost: "If Joe Biden wins the election in November he will immediately be confronted with a broken country and a host of public crises - a pandemic, a wrecked economy, a longterm need to restabilize a sputtering global order."

... really pathetic that climate change isn't the first thing listed. Seriously? It's only *the* crisis in human history. NBD.


Perhaps if they understood and cared that the 2 were related, we could start working on a massive program that would include jobs, education, cultural change, environmental healing, healthier eating, cleaner water, better methods of transportation and new industries built around the idea of balance between nature and humanity.

But that would require ending capitalism as we know it. They can't have that.
 
3 days ago  

gameshowhost: "If Joe Biden wins the election in November he will immediately be confronted with a broken country and a host of public crises - a pandemic, a wrecked economy, a longterm need to restabilize a sputtering global order."

... really pathetic that climate change isn't the first thing listed. Seriously? It's only *the* crisis in human history. NBD.


COVID now has the inside track on Climate Change in the race to kill humanity, and emissions have been way down since lockdowns started. I'm good with focusing more on COVID first.
 
3 days ago  

Boondock3806: gameshowhost: "If Joe Biden wins the election in November he will immediately be confronted with a broken country and a host of public crises - a pandemic, a wrecked economy, a longterm need to restabilize a sputtering global order."

... really pathetic that climate change isn't the first thing listed. Seriously? It's only *the* crisis in human history. NBD.

COVID now has the inside track on Climate Change in the race to kill humanity, and emissions have been way down since lockdowns started. I'm good with focusing more on COVID first.


I think Nadie_AZ spelled it out nicely, one post prior.
 
3 days ago  
The first thing Biden should do is create a commission to look at each and every action Trump and/or his underlings did.  If they broke the law, have the AG draw up charges against them.

He'll have the entire country supporting him when he does.
 
3 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: gameshowhost: "If Joe Biden wins the election in November he will immediately be confronted with a broken country and a host of public crises - a pandemic, a wrecked economy, a longterm need to restabilize a sputtering global order."

... really pathetic that climate change isn't the first thing listed. Seriously? It's only *the* crisis in human history. NBD.

Perhaps if they understood and cared that the 2 were related, we could start working on a massive program that would include jobs, education, cultural change, environmental healing, healthier eating, cleaner water, better methods of transportation and new industries built around the idea of balance between nature and humanity.

But that would require ending capitalism as we know it. They can't have that.


Tax incentives and political and social leadership could also steer us in the direction you describe while keeping some form of capitalism in tact. However, if it doesn't work immediately and make rich assholes even richer, we'll abandon ship before it ever gets off the ground and have Tea Party 2, Bachman-Palin Boogaloo.
 
3 days ago  
We have a precedent.

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3 days ago  
Republicans are never held accountable.  I think it's in the Constitution.
 
3 days ago  
Donald J Trump has more cover ups than a swim meet on The Biggest Loser.
 
3 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: Perhaps if they understood and cared that the 2 were related, we could start working on a massive program that would include jobs, education, cultural change, environmental healing, healthier eating, cleaner water, better methods of transportation and new industries built around the idea of balance between nature and humanity.


The Green New Deal is included in Biden's platform

Nadie_AZ: But that would require ending capitalism as we know it. They can't have that.


we have laissez-faire - which is a degenerate form of capitalism.  So i guess technically you're correct.  Properly run capitalism isn't the huge problem we've experienced, we've experienced improperly run capitalism.

but i know you weren't actually making that nuanced of a statement.  

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also for everyone: Biden has stated he will not pardon Trump
 
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  
lock him up, lock him up, lock him up!
 
3 days ago  

Rwa2play: The first thing Biden should do is create a commission to look at each and every action Trump and/or his underlings did.  If they broke the law, have the AG draw up charges against them.

He'll have the entire country supporting him when he does.


Have you read or seen any news since January 2017?
 
3 days ago  
Honestly, can anyone think of a worse punishment for Donald Trump than being forced to remain Donald Trump? AAAAAAAAnd having all of his stuff confiscated.

/ the best punishment would be for him to watch as everything that was Trump gets destroyed
 
3 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: gameshowhost: "If Joe Biden wins the election in November he will immediately be confronted with a broken country and a host of public crises - a pandemic, a wrecked economy, a longterm need to restabilize a sputtering global order."

... really pathetic that climate change isn't the first thing listed. Seriously? It's only *the* crisis in human history. NBD.

Perhaps if they understood and cared that the 2 were related, we could start working on a massive program that would include jobs, education, cultural change, environmental healing, healthier eating, cleaner water, better methods of transportation and new industries built around the idea of balance between nature and humanity.

But that would require ending capitalism as we know it. They can't have that.


All this talk about a "new normal" post Coronavirus ignores human nature. We like to think people will buy less stuff, travel less, and treat the environment with respect. No way. All people will do after lockdown is take to heart that all of the bad things they do can be taken away any minute, so you'll see insane amounts of fat people travelling to Disney World and buying every Chinese-made tchotchke they can get their hands on, nature be damned.

People are assholes.
 
3 days ago  
At this point Biden could shiat in a beggar's cup and would still be more electable than Trump.

Trump would need to shiat twice in ever beggar's cup to disqualify himself.

/yeah i'm farken tired of wearing a mask and teleworking, who isn't
//i'm voting for D so please VOTE
 
3 days ago  
Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden on Thursday said that if he is elected president he would not use his power to pardon President Trump or stop any investigations into the current president or his administration.

"It is not something the president is entitled to do, to direct a prosecution or decide to drop a case. It's a dereliction of duty," the former vice president told MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell in an appearance on his show "The Last Word."

"It's hands off completely," Biden added on how he would handle Trump investigations. "The attorney general is not the president's lawyer. It's the people's lawyer. We never saw anything like the prostitution of that office like we see it today."


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign​/​497929-biden-says-he-would-not-pardon-​trump
 
3 days ago  
Kamala Harris as AG will lock some motherfarkers up.

Do it, Joe.
 
3 days ago  
If democrats wanted republicans held accountable for breaking the law, they wouldn't have voted for Biden.
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3 days ago  

casual disregard: At this point Biden could shiat in a beggar's cup and would still be more electable than Trump.

Trump would need to shiat twice in ever beggar's cup to disqualify himself.

/yeah i'm farken tired of wearing a mask and teleworking, who isn't
//i'm voting for D so please VOTE


I love teleworking.  From what I hear, a significant portion of people do, possibly a majority.

I hope we never go back.
 
3 days ago  
On the one hand, given the history of spinlessness in the Dem party, Biden is likely to try to move forward and govern and let these aholes get away with shiat so as to not relitigate the past. On the other, they went after his son. His only living son with bullshiat accusations. IDK about the rest of you but I would take that personally. So I'm seriously hoping that the old man is wanting some payback.
 
3 days ago  

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bughunter: Kamala Harris as AG will lock some motherfarkers up.

Do it, Joe.

 
3 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: gameshowhost: "If Joe Biden wins the election in November he will immediately be confronted with a broken country and a host of public crises - a pandemic, a wrecked economy, a longterm need to restabilize a sputtering global order."

... really pathetic that climate change isn't the first thing listed. Seriously? It's only *the* crisis in human history. NBD.

Perhaps if they understood and cared that the 2 were related, we could start working on a massive program that would include jobs, education, cultural change, environmental healing, healthier eating, cleaner water, better methods of transportation and new industries built around the idea of balance between nature and humanity.

But that would require ending capitalism as we know it. They can't have that.


...but where has capitalism ended?
 
3 days ago  
Trump is going to pardon everyone before he leaves office. The courts are packed with conservative activists pretending to be jurists, so you can count on them to uphold the pardons if the Biden administration seeks to challenge them.

As this article suggests, accountability, if it is to be had here, will come through processes other than criminal justice. They won't be as satisfying, and they won't hold as much deterrent value. But they'll be better than nothing.
 
3 days ago  

Sandelaphon: If democrats wanted republicans held accountable for breaking the law, they wouldn't have voted for Biden.
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fark off with your bullshiat misinformation, Trump-enabler

Kazan: Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden on Thursday said that if he is elected president he would not use his power to pardon President Trump or stop any investigations into the current president or his administration.

"It is not something the president is entitled to do, to direct a prosecution or decide to drop a case. It's a dereliction of duty," the former vice president told MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell in an appearance on his show "The Last Word."

"It's hands off completely," Biden added on how he would handle Trump investigations. "The attorney general is not the president's lawyer. It's the people's lawyer. We never saw anything like the prostitution of that office like we see it today."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/​497929-biden-says-he-would-not-pardon-​trump

 
3 days ago  

kbronsito: On the one hand, given the history of spinlessness in the Dem party, Biden is likely to try to move forward and govern and let these aholes get away with shiat so as to not relitigate the past. On the other, they went after his son. His only living son with bullshiat accusations. IDK about the rest of you but I would take that personally. So I'm seriously hoping that the old man is wanting some payback.


he literally stated last month that he will not pardon trump, nor will he interfere in any investigations into trump. and i quoted him in this thread before you even replied.
 
3 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: Nobody is going to hold Trump accountable. Nobody in leadership positions in our government wants corruption to be rooted out because it might come back on them some day.


Just come out and say both sides are equally bad, so people should vote Republican. Or at least not vote. That's clearly what you want to say.
 
3 days ago  

Sandelaphon: If democrats wanted republicans held accountable for breaking the law, they wouldn't have voted for Biden.
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Even today Biden was stressing the need for Democrats and Republicans to work together, and set that as his primary goal.

We won't see bipartisanship if the Biden administration is busy holding corrupt Republicans accountable, so we absolutely know how this will end.
 
3 days ago  
I really hope Biden proves all of my doubts wrong and doesn't just say "it's time for our nation to move on," or done such crap.
 
3 days ago  

Kazan: we have laissez-faire - which is a degenerate form of capitalism. So i guess technically you're correct. Properly run capitalism isn't the huge problem we've experienced, we've experienced improperly run capitalism.


Seems like we keep repeating things, here. Properly run capitalism? As in 'we haven't been doing it right all this time'? Pre Great Depression we had to ask the Captains of Industry to bail out the nation when it crashed. Then we had the Great Depression, where Capitalists had to yield some power to the rest of the people. They reclaimed that after 30 years and began to do their thing again. They were rewarded for it again and again. We had the Reagan Revolution, which was a good ol fashioned return of the wealth to the hands of the few. Perpetual war meant perpetual profits, a war on drugs meant free labor, welfare reform was more money sucked out of the social net that helped build the middle class. Then we get the roll back of Glass Steigel and the Dot Com implosion. Once we picked ourselves up off of the floor from that, we ran into the crash of 2008.

When do we decide that what we are doing isn't working for the vast majority of those in the US? Hell, so many disaffected white people were so angry at all of this, they bought the conman's platform and voted to dynamite the whole damn thing.

I'd like to know how we use Capitalism to end racial and class warfare. I'd like to know how people on Reservations get a shot at having a real chance at life. I'd like to know how we end mass poverty, homelessness, drug abuse, and death due to lack of health care.

I've thought a great deal on it. I can't find a time when we had all of that. The closest we got was a post WW2 boom that tried to only include white people. Yes it is all tied together.
 
3 days ago  

youncasqua: AdmirableSnackbar: Nobody is going to hold Trump accountable. Nobody in leadership positions in our government wants corruption to be rooted out because it might come back on them some day.

Just come out and say both sides are equally bad, so people should vote Republican. Or at least not vote. That's clearly what you want to say.


What I want is politicians who care about holding accountable the criminal and corrupt in their own ranks. Fark off if you care more about partisan politics than actually cleaning house.
 
3 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: youncasqua: AdmirableSnackbar: Nobody is going to hold Trump accountable. Nobody in leadership positions in our government wants corruption to be rooted out because it might come back on them some day.

Just come out and say both sides are equally bad, so people should vote Republican. Or at least not vote. That's clearly what you want to say.

What I want is politicians who care about holding accountable the criminal and corrupt in their own ranks. Fark off if you care more about partisan politics than actually cleaning house.


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"We've set up a system where the baseline assumption is that nothing short of, I don't know, full-on in-person murder can disqualify an elite political or business figure from their posting. And that means that people like the Trumps will continue to believe that criminality and collusion are just fine. Unless we're willing to break down that system, and interrogate the role that even Trump's enemies have played in building it, we will get two, three, many Trumps in the future."
 
3 days ago  

kbronsito: On the one hand, given the history of spinlessness in the Dem party, Biden is likely to try to move forward and govern and let these aholes get away with shiat so as to not relitigate the past. On the other, they went after his son. His only living son with bullshiat accusations. IDK about the rest of you but I would take that personally. So I'm seriously hoping that the old man is wanting some payback.


Fully expect Trump to try to preemptively pardon himself and everyone else in his administration on his way out the door.
 
3 days ago  

special20: Nadie_AZ: gameshowhost: "If Joe Biden wins the election in November he will immediately be confronted with a broken country and a host of public crises - a pandemic, a wrecked economy, a longterm need to restabilize a sputtering global order."

... really pathetic that climate change isn't the first thing listed. Seriously? It's only *the* crisis in human history. NBD.

Perhaps if they understood and cared that the 2 were related, we could start working on a massive program that would include jobs, education, cultural change, environmental healing, healthier eating, cleaner water, better methods of transportation and new industries built around the idea of balance between nature and humanity.

But that would require ending capitalism as we know it. They can't have that.

...but where has capitalism ended?


Before the British Empire conquered the world and the American Empire conquered North America, South and Central America, there were places where profit motive wasn't a thing. It seemed to work very well for those cultures. But they have forever faded into the rolling steam shovel of progress that demanded that if you don't allow for private property and wealth accumulation, then your culture just isn't worth having around.
 
3 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: Kazan: we have laissez-faire - which is a degenerate form of capitalism. So i guess technically you're correct. Properly run capitalism isn't the huge problem we've experienced, we've experienced improperly run capitalism.

Seems like we keep repeating things, here. Properly run capitalism? As in 'we haven't been doing it right all this time'? Pre Great Depression we had to ask the Captains of Industry to bail out the nation when it crashed. Then we had the Great Depression, where Capitalists had to yield some power to the rest of the people. They reclaimed that after 30 years and began to do their thing again. They were rewarded for it again and again. We had the Reagan Revolution, which was a good ol fashioned return of the wealth to the hands of the few. Perpetual war meant perpetual profits, a war on drugs meant free labor, welfare reform was more money sucked out of the social net that helped build the middle class. Then we get the roll back of Glass Steigel and the Dot Com implosion. Once we picked ourselves up off of the floor from that, we ran into the crash of 2008.

When do we decide that what we are doing isn't working for the vast majority of those in the US? Hell, so many disaffected white people were so angry at all of this, they bought the conman's platform and voted to dynamite the whole damn thing.

I'd like to know how we use Capitalism to end racial and class warfare. I'd like to know how people on Reservations get a shot at having a real chance at life. I'd like to know how we end mass poverty, homelessness, drug abuse, and death due to lack of health care.

I've thought a great deal on it. I can't find a time when we had all of that. The closest we got was a post WW2 boom that tried to only include white people. Yes it is all tied together.


We were fairly close to "properly run capitalism" from Roosevelt until Reagan. You know - post New Deal, pre-Savings-and-Loan-deregulation (and the start of the run on deregulation that Reagan started).

The problem with it not including minorities was secondary laws to capitalism, not the main regulatory regime. 

So.. Green New Deal.
 
3 days ago  
THE ACTUAL LAWS TRUMP HAS BROKEN, JUST WITH THE UKRAINE AND CHINA AFFAIRS, COULD LAND HIM 10 YEARS IN PRISON

Couldn't find a comprehensive list of all the laws broken by this administration, but that might be because nobody can keep up.
 
3 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: What I want is politicians who care about holding accountable the criminal and corrupt in their own ranks. Fark off if you care more about partisan politics than actually cleaning house.


Comical. Because that is nothing like what you said. What you said was Democrats won't hold Republicans accountable because they don't want to be held accountable themselves.

F*ck you if you think people aren't smart enough to see through your sock-puppeteering when you completely alter your argument just to put someone who called you out on your bullsh*t in the wrong.
 
3 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: there were places where profit motive wasn't a thing. It seemed to work very well for those cultures.


We cannot go back to being Agrarian or hunter-gatherer cultures.

market economies - whether they're capitalist or socialist - are here to stay.
 
3 days ago  

ElPrimitivo: THE ACTUAL LAWS TRUMP HAS BROKEN, JUST WITH THE UKRAINE AND CHINA AFFAIRS, COULD LAND HIM 10 YEARS IN PRISON

Couldn't find a comprehensive list of all the laws broken by this administration, but that might be because nobody can keep up.


Do not ever cite The Intercept.  It's the left wing equivalent to breitbart.
 
3 days ago  

youncasqua: AdmirableSnackbar: What I want is politicians who care about holding accountable the criminal and corrupt in their own ranks. Fark off if you care more about partisan politics than actually cleaning house.

Comical. Because that is nothing like what you said. What you said was Democrats won't hold Republicans accountable because they don't want to be held accountable themselves.

F*ck you if you think people aren't smart enough to see through your sock-puppeteering when you completely alter your argument just to put someone who called you out on your bullsh*t in the wrong.


Oddly enough, I didn't mention political parties at all in our conversation. That's all on you, dude.
 
3 days ago  

Bith Set Me Up: AdmirableSnackbar: youncasqua: AdmirableSnackbar: Nobody is going to hold Trump accountable. Nobody in leadership positions in our government wants corruption to be rooted out because it might come back on them some day.

Just come out and say both sides are equally bad, so people should vote Republican. Or at least not vote. That's clearly what you want to say.

What I want is politicians who care about holding accountable the criminal and corrupt in their own ranks. Fark off if you care more about partisan politics than actually cleaning house.

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"We've set up a system where the baseline assumption is that nothing short of, I don't know, full-on in-person murder can disqualify an elite political or business figure from their posting. And that means that people like the Trumps will continue to believe that criminality and collusion are just fine. Unless we're willing to break down that system, and interrogate the role that even Trump's enemies have played in building it, we will get two, three, many Trumps in the future."


Nobody on Fark uses alt accounts in a stupidly obvious way to create the illusion that people agree with him. It never happens.
 
3 days ago  

Shaggy_C: All this talk about a "new normal" post Coronavirus ignores human nature. We like to think people will buy less stuff, travel less, and treat the environment with respect. No way. All people will do after lockdown is take to heart that all of the bad things they do can be taken away any minute, so you'll see insane amounts of fat people travelling to Disney World and buying every Chinese-made tchotchke they can get their hands on, nature be damned.

People are assholes.


We are not people to Disneyland or Coca-Cola or Apple. We are consumers. Companies have hired geniuses to target our base selves. I've read and heard a lot on how companies like Amazon and Facebook and Google have so much data on you that they can predict what you want before you even know you want it. We see targeted ads now that jump devices. I browse a site for a product on my phone and then log into my computer to find the advertisements on another site are displaying variants of that product.

Food companies also are brilliant at hitting our base desires.

Yeah, so how do we break this? We are in a vice lock against a system that has us staring at screens saying 'I want I want' which is perfect because in the United States we can get anything we want, we just can't get everything we need.
 
3 days ago  
Lock him up!  Lock him up!
 
3 days ago  

Kazan: Nadie_AZ: there were places where profit motive wasn't a thing. It seemed to work very well for those cultures.

We cannot go back to being Agrarian or hunter-gatherer cultures.

market economies - whether they're capitalist or socialist - are here to stay.


Yes. Our markets are global and returning to small isolated markets isn't a good idea. I agree. I've a lot to learn about variants to our existing system. We can see, however, that this one isn't working. And as we are staring environmental constraints in the face, we have to stop pushing the idea of 'perpetual economic growth' and the 'eco-friendly' idea of sustaining that.
 
3 days ago  

AdmirableSnackbar: Oddly enough, I didn't mention political parties at all in our conversation. That's all on you, dude.


Is it that you imagine people can't follow a conversation? Or is your attention span so short that you actually forgot that the topic of the thread is how a potential Biden administration should go about holding the Trump administration accountable?

So when you said "nobody will hold Trump accountable," you were implicitly criticizing a potential Democratic White House. And when you said nobody in leadership positions wants accountability you were saying both sides are equally bad.
 
3 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: Kazan: Nadie_AZ: there were places where profit motive wasn't a thing. It seemed to work very well for those cultures.

We cannot go back to being Agrarian or hunter-gatherer cultures.

market economies - whether they're capitalist or socialist - are here to stay.

Yes. Our markets are global and returning to small isolated markets isn't a good idea. I agree. I've a lot to learn about variants to our existing system. We can see, however, that this one isn't working. And as we are staring environmental constraints in the face, we have to stop pushing the idea of 'perpetual economic growth' and the 'eco-friendly' idea of sustaining that.


Perpetual growth is indeed impossible.  However we can clean up what we have.  Hybrid capitalist-socialist systems seem to work best.  socialism where profit motive contradicts the public good, especially in places where "natural monopolies" tend to exist (infrastructure, healthcare, etc) - capitalism where it works well.  with strong social safety nets, workers rights, etc. 

Make Working Class Great Again :P
 
3 days ago  

youncasqua: AdmirableSnackbar: Oddly enough, I didn't mention political parties at all in our conversation. That's all on you, dude.

Is it that you imagine people can't follow a conversation? Or is your attention span so short that you actually forgot that the topic of the thread is how a potential Biden administration should go about holding the Trump administration accountable?

So when you said "nobody will hold Trump accountable," you were implicitly criticizing a potential Democratic White House. And when you said nobody in leadership positions wants accountability you were saying both sides are equally bad.


why feed the fascist troll?
 
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