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(ABC7 New York)   Obama, Clinton, Bush, and Carter show respect and honor for Negro League's 100th anniversary. However there seems to be one person missing. One particular White House resident that didn't. Hmmmmm...wonder why?   (abc7ny.com) divider line
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2020-06-30 11:54:27 AM  
Yeah, I wouldn't want to ruin a good moment with an so called expert on race relationships.
 
2020-06-30 11:59:02 AM  
Nobody knew about the Negro League until trump talked about it.
 
2020-06-30 12:04:01 PM  
How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.
 
2020-06-30 12:05:39 PM  
I try to give Trump credit for giving up on attending ceremonial things he doesn't want to attend, will be largely unwelcome at and not pretending to give a crap about causes he does not support.

There's a level of honesty here that he utterly fails to exhibit in every other part of his life.
 
2020-06-30 12:20:49 PM  

Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.


Reminder that Josh Gibson once hit a ball so hard, that when they were playing a game the next day in a different city, one of the fielders caught the ball and the umpire called Gibson out.

I question whether the umpire had the authority to do this.
 
2020-06-30 12:34:27 PM  
Black guy holding a large stick? Check under the Resolute desk, I'm sure you'll find him there.
 
2020-06-30 12:35:41 PM  

wejash: I try to give Trump credit for giving up on attending ceremonial things he doesn't want to attend, will be largely unwelcome at and not pretending to give a crap about causes he does not support.


Maybe he's just farking lazy.
 
2020-06-30 12:40:04 PM  
The Negro Leagues Baseball Museum here in Kansas City needs financial help. It does not need the Cheeto bringing his [deleted by mods] here, in person OR virtually.
 
2020-06-30 12:45:24 PM  
Surprised Trump wasn't all over this talking about some nonsense about what a great example the Negro League was to demonstrate how great competition and free enterprise is among sports leagues.

Like when Betsy DeVos heralded historically black colleges as being pioneers in school choice.
 
2020-06-30 1:07:51 PM  

Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.


Satchel Paige for one.
 
2020-06-30 1:16:37 PM  

Cafe Threads: The Negro Leagues Baseball Museum here in Kansas City needs financial help. It does not need the Cheeto bringing his [deleted by mods] here, in person OR virtually.


I visited a few years ago, it looked like they'd done some really nice things with the available space.  But it sounds like they got a ton of upfront cash and didn't have as robust a plan for long-term operational costs.

/but that is by no means unique in this profession
 
2020-06-30 1:16:47 PM  

gopher321: Black guy holding a large stick? Check under the Resolute desk, I'm sure you'll find him there.


bunker.
just for an inspection of course.
 
2020-06-30 1:17:12 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.

Satchel Paige for one.


I mean that's probably the most obvious and egregious example. I just wonder how many others.
 
2020-06-30 1:18:26 PM  

Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.


All of them.
 
2020-06-30 1:28:03 PM  

Gubbo: Herb Utsmelz: Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.

Satchel Paige for one.

I mean that's probably the most obvious and egregious example. I just wonder how many others.


Probably all of these.
 
2020-06-30 1:30:16 PM  
"The WHAT league?!? They told me I can't say that word anymore! Get Mike in here right now, dammit!"
 
2020-06-30 1:35:41 PM  

gopher321: wejash: I try to give Trump credit for giving up on attending ceremonial things he doesn't want to attend, will be largely unwelcome at and not pretending to give a crap about causes he does not support.

Maybe he's just farking lazy.


Maybe they didn't tell him?  I'm curious to see the next-level dickery that the other ex presidents will pull on him.
 
2020-06-30 1:50:53 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Satchel Paige for one.


There were quite a few of the first black MLB players who played their best years in the Negro Leagues, not even taking WW2 into account. I would have loved to see a Babe Ruth v. Josh Gibson HR derby in the early 1930s. A shame he died so young, he probably could've had a really good season or two at the very least in the MLB.

As to Trump, if it was important enough to him someone would've dug up a Grays (DC) or Cubans (NY) baseball cap for him to tip.
 
2020-06-30 2:09:34 PM  

Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.


MANY. VERY MANY.

Case in point: John McGraw (NY Giants manager in the early 20th century) desperately wanted sign a couple of Cuban ballplayers.  One problem, they were darkskinned.

The worst instance:  The Pittsburgh Pirates were second division dwellers for parts of the 40s, yet their Negro League counterparts, the Homestead Grays, were arguably the best team in Negro League baseball (some would say the best in all of baseball, period).  Arrangements were made to get in communication with the Pirates front office to sign most of them and instantly become a NL contender.

The Pirates never responded...and, after Jackie integrated the game, they would never be a serious contender until 1960.
 
2020-06-30 2:17:23 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.

Satchel Paige for one.


Debuted in MLB when he was 42 and retired when he was 60. Jamie Moyer and Julio Franco look up to this guy.
Just imagine the kind of records he could've set with the sheer longevity he had as a player.
 
2020-06-30 2:49:18 PM  
Yes, but in his defense, the chef is really busy.
 
2020-06-30 3:00:04 PM  
I need some players for my company softball league.
 
2020-06-30 5:19:00 PM  
UNC_Samurai:

Sounds like ever museum
 
2020-06-30 5:22:31 PM  

The Lone Biker of the Apocalypse: Yes, but in his defense, the chef is really busy.


Burning his steak

I mean the chef keeps the waygu for something he really wants to use it for or themselves, he just sends a porter to whatever grocery store is closest to get a cheap cut that he can put in lye water for an hour or two then burn the crap out of and serve with ketchup in a gold shot glass to his orangeness
 
2020-06-30 7:45:51 PM  

Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.


There are two big issues with that.

First, you can't compare stats without a baseline and since there was no competition between MLB and the Negro Leagues and basically none among those players until integration with the Negro Leagues coming apart quickly after that you can't really come up with a good one. Just think how much  different there can be in a great ERA or batting average in MLB over ten years. Maybe you can get by this in the last years but not for most of their existence.

Second, a lot of the stats from the Negro Leagues are not that well documented. Beyond poor recording of stats and those not being brought into modern systems, instability in the Leagues generates a lot of questions.
 
2020-06-30 8:11:51 PM  

Cafe Threads: The Negro Leagues Baseball Museum here in Kansas City needs financial help. It does not need the Cheeto bringing his [deleted by mods] here, in person OR virtually.


Geddy Lee (yep that one) donated over 200 autographed baseballs of players to that museaum.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/blueja​y​s/2016/08/06/negro-leagues-baseball-mu​seum-a-testament-to-the-critical-role-​of-sports-in-society.html
 
2020-06-30 9:53:36 PM  
But, Clinton added: "This cap is for Hillary, too, when finally, the Cubs won the championship.

Dammit Bill. You're my boy, but it doesn't always have to be about you two.
Who am I kidding.  I can't stay mad at you.  You old rascal.
 
2020-07-01 12:01:17 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.

Reminder that Josh Gibson once hit a ball so hard, that when they were playing a game the next day in a different city, one of the fielders caught the ball and the umpire called Gibson out.

I question whether the umpire had the authority to do this.


Heck, four or five of 'em still haven't landed. One smashed the windshield of Elon Musk's orbiting convertible.
 
2020-07-01 12:28:49 AM  

Rwa2play: Gubbo: How many players in the Negro leagues should have been in the major league? Anyone ever looked at it, or seen any books/articles.

With all the advanced metrics we have these days to normalize everything it seems, someone should be able to quantify just how many of the players were farked over by pure racism.

MANY. VERY MANY.

Case in point: John McGraw (NY Giants manager in the early 20th century) desperately wanted sign a couple of Cuban ballplayers.  One problem, they were darkskinned.

The worst instance:  The Pittsburgh Pirates were second division dwellers for parts of the 40s, yet their Negro League counterparts, the Homestead Grays, were arguably the best team in Negro League baseball (some would say the best in all of baseball, period).  Arrangements were made to get in communication with the Pirates front office to sign most of them and instantly become a NL contender.

The Pirates never responded...and, after Jackie integrated the game, they would never be a serious contender until 1960.


Hey, Cool Papa, this thread is done. Could you get the lights? Aaaand he's already in bed
 
2020-07-01 9:33:30 AM  
He hates all 4 of those ex presidents and couldn't give a flying fark about the negro league
 
2020-07-01 11:20:14 PM  
trump doesn't have time for that, he has PDBs to read...
 
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