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2020-06-30 12:05:02 PM  
31 votes:
If you want to reset the sequel series (And I don't blame you if you want to), you need to reset ALL of the sequel series, not just the one or two contentious ones. Also, while we're on the subject, would it be too much to ask to have an overarching story line planned out BEFORE filming this time?
 
2020-06-30 12:32:00 PM  
25 votes:

Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.



I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.


"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"
 
2020-06-30 12:27:56 PM  
23 votes:

TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

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Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.
 
2020-06-30 12:27:54 PM  
20 votes:
Favreau and Filioni should've been running things from the beginning.
 
2020-06-30 12:29:41 PM  
19 votes:
There were parts of TLJ I liked, and parts I didn't care for.

RoP was a string of nostalgia moments strung together without much cohesion, and it made me appreciate what I liked about TLJ even more.

But taken as a whole, the new trilogy has resulted in the death of my love of Star Wars.

I was one of those kittens who got the Orig Trig on VHS when I was 9 or 10 and absolutely fell in love with them.

The prequel trilogy was bad in many ways, but didn't really have an impact on my feelings for the franchise as a whole.

But as of the completion of the Sequel trilogy, I find I no longer care about the franchise at all, and I find myself with no interest in even returning to the Orig Trig.

So I really don't care what becomes of the franchise at this point. I doubt I'll be watching.
 
2020-06-30 12:59:32 PM  
17 votes:
VII was just a soft ANH reboot. I liked the runaway stormtrooper angle. I liked the protagonist being a young woman. I thought being found on a desert planet was too on the nose though. Watching the UltraSuperDeath Star beams sail across the galaxy while visible from some random planet's surface actually hurt. It is like the creators of Star Wars thought that the speed of light is infinite and the galaxy is the size of a solar system. It ripped me out of the movie. I expected Han to get killed by his son. I liked Finn trying to fight Kylo with a light saber and I liked Rey getting the saber and standing up to Kylo. All the rest is ho-hum. Maybe a little too Mary Sue for Rey. I believed her having legit fighting skills, but piloting the Falcon with no prior experience - nah. Remember, Luke was already trained as a pilot before Yavin and even then he was sloppy and needed others to sacrifice for him to win.

VIII was just.... painful. It went off the rails from the very start with the phone gag. Then Leia and Haldo take turns kicking Poe in the balls for a very successful victory during the withdrawal and then keeping him in the dark and watching him flail during the slow-speed chase and mutiny. Pointless trip to CasinoWorld. Lightspeed ramming technique that made all previous space battles pointless. Turned Luke into a psycho. The man who surrendered to the emperor to save his father thought it was a good idea to kill his nephew? And then at the end Yoda's ghost gaslights him into killing himself. I wanted more female characters in Star Wars, but their role shouldn't be to thwart the male heroes (Leia, Holdo, and Rose are there to thwart Finn and Poe. Why not have them act against, you know, the bad guys?). Rose crashing into Finn and then sexually assaulting him was the single most dumb thing in Star Wars - even worse than Jar Jar and Yipee!. Rey's arc wasn't too bad. I liked what happened on HER side with Luke. If TLJ really wanted to be edgy, Rey should have turned to the dark side and Kylo would have fled to the rebels.

IX was just a bunch of stuff that happened. Nothing made sense because it started out by bring Palpatine back in. Just throw stuff on the screen and hope it all works out.
 
2020-06-30 12:24:44 PM  
16 votes:
The last two movies were not good. They were bad.
 
2020-06-30 12:42:03 PM  
14 votes:
"The rumor comes from the "future ruler of Earth," the Doomcock Overlord DVD YouTube channel, who recently offered that a Star Wars "civil war" is happening at Lucasfilm between Kathleen Kennedy and Jon Favreau."

In other words...a fan boy rage circle jerk

Seriously...let it go...the films had major problems...but let it go.
 
2020-06-30 12:22:24 PM  
14 votes:

iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois


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2020-06-30 11:57:10 AM  
14 votes:
I thought that the new trilogy was good.
 
2020-06-30 1:09:49 PM  
13 votes:

iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good.


The movies are each fine.  The trilogy as a whole is a goddamn mess.

TLJ sets up things that don't pay off and RoS pays off things that were never set up.

Solo ended up being incredibly mediocre because the studio couldn't decide what kind of film they wanted and farked with production halfway through.

The lack of planning ahead for a franchise this big is inexcusable.
 
2020-06-30 12:27:35 PM  
13 votes:
Yeah, this is the incel that's been whining about female lead movies. It's not happening, cry moar.
 
2020-06-30 1:40:54 PM  
12 votes:
Bootleg:

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.


The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.  And tie fighters were effective in attacking later on, blasting Leia out into space.  But then the commander says "pull the tie fighters back"  Why?  Swarm them with tie fighters!  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.

The first Star Wars movies were so great because of how freaking competent Vader was.  He was the best pilot out there, killing fools outside the Death Star.  He was one step ahead of everyone on Cloud City.  Everyone watching those movies were like "what's it going to take to beat this guy?"  In the sequels, the bad guys were bumbling idiots who f*ck up all the time and used for comedy.  That doesn't make for a satisfying space war movie.
 
2020-06-30 11:49:11 AM  
12 votes:
TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.
 
2020-06-30 12:42:56 PM  
11 votes:

Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"


thats one of the things that breaks the in universe rules...
in SW...technology has basically hit a plateau a couple thousand years previous the the Skywalker saga.
the ONLY way most of this tech makes sense is if Energy is widely and cheaply available.
now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.

we are supposed to be able to suspend disbelief in order to buy the setting, the space magic etc...for that to work it has to have some in universe rules to follow...now they will break those internal boundries any time they feel like just so they can have a non-sensical action scene or plot point (Ep IX introduced "hyperspace skipping"...What the Proverbial fark??)
 
2020-06-30 1:51:36 PM  
9 votes:
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2020-06-30 1:13:07 PM  
9 votes:

GardenWeasel: Yeah, this is the incel that's been whining about female lead movies. It's not happening, cry moar.


I refuse to like a movie just bc it made some idiot arseholes on 4chan act like idiot arseholes on 4chan.

It doesn't change the fact that the whole Resistance plot line was a steaming pile.

Also, all the sticking it to the incels crowd overlooks that the movie was pretty insulting to Leia's character.

Leia sends out a heart felt plea to the galaxy to stand up to tyranny and gets crickets.

Landon sends out a "C'mon. I'll throw in a Colt 45" and gets Fleet Mother of All Deus ex Machina.
 
2020-06-30 12:32:47 PM  
9 votes:
VII annoyed me
VIII offended me on an intellectual level...and as a fan it broke many aspects of in universe canon
IX... hold my beer...

TLJ was so bad I skipped seeing RoS in theater on opening day...the only time I skipped opening day for a StarWars film (yes I even saw the CLoneWars cartoon movie opening day)
 
2020-06-30 4:03:10 PM  
8 votes:
Holy shiat, Fark, can we PLEASE NOT LINK TO COSMICBOOKNEWS. It's literally the farking InfoWars of geek websites, a site that makes even We Got This Covered look credible, run by an agenda-driven asshole who routinely MAKES SHIAT UP in order to push his agenda, a guy who had a bug so far up his arse about Brie Larson they were crawling back out of his mouth, who pushes inane geek conspiracy nonsense on a regular basis, and on and on and on.

I don't even need to look at this (and won't give him a click) to guess it's part of his ongoing narrative that SJWs are ruining Star Wars and Disney is worried and blah blah blah. He's been spewing that shiat for years.

Can we PLEASE not give this asshole any traffic?
 
2020-06-30 3:35:28 PM  
7 votes:

sid244: Step 1: Fire Kathleen Kennedy from LucasFilm
Step 2: ....
Step 3: Make better movies
Step 4: Profit


Suggestion for step 2:

Hire George Lucas as story consultant and nothing else. Don't let him write a script or direct.

The prequels sucked, but not because of the the story arc, they sucked because George Lucas can't direct, write dialog, or even edit himself.
 
2020-06-30 5:22:58 PM  
6 votes:
First of all, I loved all the new characters. I loved all the actors. I had no issues with what they did. Only stupid people would remove characters that inspired a new generation.

My only two issue was what happened to the Original Characters and that Disney had no overreaching damned plot.

Lucas had a vague outline for the original trilogy. This allowed him enough room to make changes mid-production and still come out as structured.

The prequels had a definite story structure, which fit into the over all structure of a Saga.  Quality issues aside, the over all plot and themes meshed very well.

Disney should have just started their own new saga with an episode 1. Or have the first movie a last hurrah in glory for the Original Characters and hand off the saga to the next generation.

The saddest part of all this: Lucas had entrusted Disney with Star Wars for safe keeping. He should have just made Star Wars Public domain....
 
2020-06-30 1:44:07 PM  
6 votes:
The Star Wars franchise is two and a half excellent films, a smattering of decent ancillary material, and a universe of dogshiat.
 
2020-06-30 1:00:07 PM  
6 votes:
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2020-06-30 12:42:24 PM  
6 votes:
TFA: A new rumor has hit the net offering that...

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2020-06-30 9:34:36 PM  
5 votes:
Disney bought a franchise that had a fan base that would sleep outside of theaters for days to buy tickets. New parents would talk about which order they would show their newborns the movies. Original trilogy or prequel trilogy? They pissed that all away for immediate quarterly profits. They can live with that choice.
 
2020-06-30 2:55:41 PM  
5 votes:

EdgeRunner: zbtop: My desire for additional Star Wars content was thoroughly crushed after Ep8.

like...as a consumer, my demand just flattened to zero. The inner eight year old that was obsessed with Star Wars died. Never did see Ep 9.

There's a lot of reasons people don't like these movies, and lots of culture wars being fought over it. As is however, I just can't bring myself to care about the franchise at all anymore.

The ultimate problem is that Disney didn't care that much. They wanted the highly marketable brand name and the toy rights, but there was no grand vision beyond that. It was a revival dictated by accountants who smelled more money instead of creatives who wanted more Star Wars.

The Mandalorian seems to have finally opened their eyes to the reality that they need inspired writers and directors who actually like the material and have a longterm story plan, but in typical corporate fashion, they didn't figure that out by comparing the narrative quality of Favreau's show against Abrams and Johnson's haphazard round robin tug of war. They finally got the message when TLJ and ROS toys didn't sell but demand for Baby Yoda anything shot through the roof.

It's too bad the Clone Wars toyline wasn't a runaway success, or they might have figured it out a lot sooner.


Clone wars is fantastic, the problem is that it was always seen as a "ancillary" property because it was animation on a "kids channel".  It's also the reason DC movies suck, but the animation was killing it. When you see animation as a second tier, you don't care that the quality is spectacular because your own small definition it isn't "mass marketable".
 
2020-06-30 2:23:42 PM  
5 votes:
My desire for additional Star Wars content was thoroughly crushed after Ep8.

like...as a consumer, my demand just flattened to zero. The inner eight year old that was obsessed with Star Wars died. Never did see Ep 9.

There's a lot of reasons people don't like these movies, and lots of culture wars being fought over it. As is however, I just can't bring myself to care about the franchise at all anymore.
 
2020-06-30 2:10:18 PM  
5 votes:
The problem isn't each movie (or any of them). It's all of them. If they would have had the same vision/style/plot it would have been better and probably pretty good to even great.

I would much rather have seen a JJ Abrams trilogy or a Rian Johnson trilogy. Instead we got a jarring mishmash of them.
 
2020-06-30 2:03:18 PM  
5 votes:
Did anyone bother reading all of that hyperventilating fanfic garbage? This dork clearly has no idea how franchise reboots really work. The studio just waits a few years, then puts out a new movie that ignores some or all of the previous ones. If Disney really wanted to erase the last trilogy, they'd just make a public announcement that those movies don't count anymore and then they'd carry on like they didn't happen. Nobody needed a convoluted Jedi magic bullshiat explanation to explain why the EU wasn't official canon, and the hardcore fans were way more invested in that junk than the Abrams/Johnson junk.

If Michael Myers could talk, he could share some stories about how full and partial reboots actually work.
 
2020-06-30 1:04:27 PM  
5 votes:

iheartscotch: null: born_yesterday: dv-ous: TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

Slight edit

Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.

*Cue Beastie Boys song*

Us Trek fans sit back with our Romulan Ales and watch the madness of J.J. Abrams and Star Wars fans destroy another franchise.

Ya didn't learn from Jar-Jar and you decided to rehash the Original Trilogy but with new characters in a stupid way.  What did you expect?

Computer, "popcorn, salt and extra butter, large size".

Star Trek Into Darkness was fantastic.


I liked it, but for me Benedict Cumberbatch was Khan In Name Only.
 
2020-06-30 12:47:41 PM  
5 votes:
None of that would happen with Kathleen Kennedy still in charge. If I see her stepping down from being executive producer, then I'll start to believe.
 
2020-06-30 12:47:18 PM  
5 votes:

dv-ous: TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

Slight edit

Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.


*Cue Beastie Boys song*
 
2020-06-30 12:29:18 PM  
5 votes:

dv-ous: TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

Slight edit

Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.


Why, do you like under-cooked cinnamon rolls?
 
2020-06-30 2:41:07 PM  
4 votes:

zbtop: My desire for additional Star Wars content was thoroughly crushed after Ep8.

like...as a consumer, my demand just flattened to zero. The inner eight year old that was obsessed with Star Wars died. Never did see Ep 9.

There's a lot of reasons people don't like these movies, and lots of culture wars being fought over it. As is however, I just can't bring myself to care about the franchise at all anymore.


The ultimate problem is that Disney didn't care that much. They wanted the highly marketable brand name and the toy rights, but there was no grand vision beyond that. It was a revival dictated by accountants who smelled more money instead of creatives who wanted more Star Wars.

The Mandalorian seems to have finally opened their eyes to the reality that they need inspired writers and directors who actually like the material and have a longterm story plan, but in typical corporate fashion, they didn't figure that out by comparing the narrative quality of Favreau's show against Abrams and Johnson's haphazard round robin tug of war. They finally got the message when TLJ and ROS toys didn't sell but demand for Baby Yoda anything shot through the roof.

It's too bad the Clone Wars toyline wasn't a runaway success, or they might have figured it out a lot sooner.
 
2020-06-30 1:33:53 PM  
4 votes:
It brings such joy to know that there is a segment of the population that thinks that Disney spends a lot of time caring whether or not all of the story beats in their favorite space wizard fantasy merch commercial* fit together in an airtight enough way. And also that they believe any part of it is more imaginary than another.

*I am a huge Star Wars fan, but I mean... c'mon
 
2020-06-30 1:11:14 PM  
4 votes:

Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"


I liked TFA the best, but the Star Killer base blasting a planet on the other side of the galaxy and everyone seeing it from a different part was one of the dumbest scenes in the entire series. It went downhill from there.

Rey and Finn were good characters. Poe was just obnoxious from VII on
 
2020-06-30 1:05:29 PM  
4 votes:
Yeah, they're going to dig Carrie Fisher out of her grave, prop her corpse up in front of cameras and "reset" the franchise that - checks notes - only earned 4.5 billion bucks.

There is not a Jedi wanking motion big enough in the universe.

THIS is why you don't try to placate whiners with shiat like the Snyder cut of Justice League.  They'll never be happy and you wind up just empowering them.
 
2020-06-30 12:54:07 PM  
4 votes:
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2020-06-30 12:45:28 PM  
4 votes:
Geez, that's an even dumber plan than what they went with for Ep 7-9.
 
2020-06-30 12:28:44 PM  
4 votes:

Bootleg: would it be too much to ask to have an overarching story line planned out BEFORE filming this time?


I don't think JMS is doing anything at the moment.
 
2020-07-01 10:45:31 AM  
3 votes:

PlaidJaguar: He didn't give it to Disney for "safe keeping" he gave it to them for "a billion dollars"


It was over $4 billion. Nobody, but nobody, throws that kind of money out the window. Given what Disney had done with Marvel, there was every reason to expect it would be properly handled.

Then Disney put somebody with no vision in charge of things and let directors make movies with no overarching narrative to tell.

It looks like they're trying to get the IP back on track with The Mandalorian and other smaller form installments. But they seriously screwed the pooch on the film end of things. I liked the sequel trilogy more than most did and even I can see that they farked stuff up. But damn, TFA's plan is even worse than what they actually did. Either disavow it completely (and remake the prequels while they're at it), or just let it stand and go make some good Star Wars stuff so the crap movies get drowned out by the better quality material.
 
2020-06-30 5:55:16 PM  
3 votes:

browntimmy: EdgeRunner: They can keep insisting it's the "Skywalker Saga", but they totally whiffed that. It's the Palpatine Saga now.

I guess a summary of "The Skywalker Saga" goes: The Skywalkers rise and fall and rise again to defeat an empire...then they went away and allowed things to get worse than before until a non-Skywalker showed up out of nowhere and fixed it...then decided she wanted to be called Skywalker.


I didn't understand why they didn't just make Rey Luke's kid in The Last Jedi and just have Luke guarding something important that would make things worse in the Galaxy if he wasn't there stopping it.

Luke doing something noble and sacrifice his happiness makes a better character plot than Luke moping in hiding.
 
2020-06-30 4:12:52 PM  
3 votes:

Bootleg: PlaidJaguar: When the Falcon is captured by the Death Star they mention it matches the reports of a ship that blasted out of Mos Eisley.

Right, no, that's my bad, I forgot release dates when thinking about the timelines. In universe, you'd think Vader might be interested that the Storm Troopers raided his Half-brother's farm looking for a droid in the presence of a "Luke Skywalker", or that the droids are a C-3P0 unit and an R2-D2 unit, but in release dates none of that matters yet.

and they don't only send out three TIEs to defend the Death Star, Vader goss out with two wingmen to tip the balance of the ongoing conflict

Watched the scene again, and you're right, they sent out 6, then Vader went out with his wingmen (From what I saw, though I don't know why they wouldn't show more if there were more). Still, why only send 6 (Or 9) fighters instead of 60?


They showed six onscreen because the CGI needed to copy and paste 50 fighters into the scene didn't exist in 1977.
 
2020-06-30 3:17:53 PM  
3 votes:
Step 1: Fire Kathleen Kennedy from LucasFilm
Step 2: ....
Step 3: Make better movies
Step 4: Profit
 
2020-06-30 2:33:18 PM  
3 votes:
Cosmic Book News has, and will always, be full of shiat.
 
2020-06-30 2:07:20 PM  
3 votes:
The new Trilogy is awesome.

Doomcock is a liar.

Anyone who believes him is an idiot.

You're welcome.
 
2020-06-30 2:01:15 PM  
3 votes:
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Yeah. According to THIS guy.

Really. Really Really.

Your Site Sux.
 
2020-06-30 1:23:37 PM  
3 votes:

Stratohead: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"


now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.



I thought that was a fun nod to the Dune books.  Star Wars has always been heavily indebted to and influenced by Dune:

Desert Planet Arrakis = Desert Planet Tatooine
Paul Atreides = Luke Skywalker
Baron Harkonnen =  Darth Vader
Duncan Idaho = Han Solo
Gurney Halleck = Obi Wan
Princess Alia = Princess Leia
The Evil Emperor = The Evil Emperor
Imperial Saudaukar = Imperial Stormtroopers
Bene Gasserit = Jedi Knights
Knife fighting = Lightsaber fighting
Obi Wan uses The Voice on the stormtroopers

Spice from Arrakis is needed for interstellar travel = fuel from a planet with a nickname Spice is needed for interstellar travel.
 
2020-06-30 12:49:13 PM  
3 votes:
"So what Doomcock is explaining is that a Star Wars Multiverse will be created which will isolate the Disney Star Wars Trilogy as being a part of a separate universe that is not a part of the George Lucas original Star Wars films."

Lucas/Disney is basically giving up and saying everything is canon and you better believe they will shovel out garbage for all tastes hoping to separate you from your money.

Disney doesn't care about Star Wars it cares about money and it has realized it F'd up on the new trilogy and is trying to find a way to maximize their investment. You love/hate Rey, Disney's got a universe for you, you like/hate the original-expanded trilogy stories, Disney's got a universe for you, you think the new trilogy was the best, well you need help but Disney's got a universe for you too.
 
2020-06-30 12:33:50 PM  
3 votes:
They aren't going to erase the prequel series from canon, that is stupid fanboy nonsense. Some people did like that trilogy and you can build off it later for money and nostalgia. What they will probably do is step back from the entire Skywalker/Palpatine stuff and focus more on other aspects of the Star Wars universe like other time period in Star Wars lore and other Jedi and other stories.
 
2020-06-30 7:55:32 PM  
2 votes:
mybluemake:

Space westerns with space dogfights, and laser sword fights between space monks and space ninjas.

/Didn't hate any of them. Even had fun at Phan ...


I've been able to watch all of the new trilogy several times without hurting myself, and that inspired me to go back and check the prequels.  I had not seen them since they were in the movie theaters.  Maybe it was just negative hype...

Nope.  That is a really bad movie.  Wow.  The Phantom Menace is not watchable.  I can't do it.  I'd rather watch the ghostbusters ladies again.
 
2020-06-30 4:05:57 PM  
2 votes:

shoegaze99: Holy shiat, Fark, can we PLEASE NOT LINK TO COSMICBOOKNEWS. It's literally the farking InfoWars of geek websites, a site that makes even We Got This Covered look credible, run by an agenda-driven asshole who routinely MAKES SHIAT UP in order to push his agenda, a guy who had a bug so far up his arse about Brie Larson they were crawling back out of his mouth, who pushes inane geek conspiracy nonsense on a regular basis, and on and on and on.

I don't even need to look at this (and won't give him a click) to guess it's part of his ongoing narrative that SJWs are ruining Star Wars and Disney is worried and blah blah blah. He's been spewing that shiat for years.

Can we PLEASE not give this asshole any traffic?


What's his Fark handle?
 
2020-06-30 3:18:26 PM  
2 votes:

EdgeRunner: RyansPrivates: EdgeRunner: RyansPrivates: Clone wars is fantastic, the problem is that it was always seen as a "ancillary" property because it was animation on a "kids channel". It's also the reason DC movies suck, but the animation was killing it. When you see animation as a second tier, you don't care that the quality is spectacular because your own small definition it isn't "mass marketable".

The failure to mass market something always falls on the license holders for failing to recognize what they've got. There's another Suicide Squad movie on the way, and of course they're going to rub everyone's faces in it and try to hype up sales for whatever tie-in merch they create. But if they distributed the new Harley Quinn series better and showed it more love, don't you think a figure line for that property would easily outsell whatever junk the SS movie might offer?

Preaching to the choir, pal.

/The best Suicide Squad portrayal was the "Task Force X" episode of  JLU.

I'll have to check that out. Would you rate it even better than Assault on Arkham? Because that was pretty damn good and everything the movie should have been, minus all the pandering implied nudity. (I'll grant the bedroom scene with Harley and Deadshot played directly into the plot, but everything after that was just needless fan service.)


Well, if you go in understanding that it is mostly "b" players (Clock King, Captain Boomerang, Deadshot, Plastique, and Rick Flagg), and thus no Joker or Harley, it is a fun story on the merits. It is part of a larger narrative that season about Cadmus and the opposition to the Justice League, I would recommend at least being familiar with that.
 
2020-06-30 2:14:21 PM  
2 votes:

Brokenseas: The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?


I thought that was kind of the point, the First Order are Neo Imperials and like real world Neo Nazis they are a pathetic incompetent shadow of the original. General Hux being a petulant manchild who cared more about Ben losing than the First Order winning was one of the more memorable scenes from that movie.
 
2020-06-30 2:06:56 PM  
2 votes:

Bootleg: Brokenseas: Bootleg:

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.


The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.  And tie fighters were effective in attacking later on, blasting Leia out into space.  But then the commander says "pull the tie fighters back"  Why?  Swarm them with tie fighters!  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.

The first Star Wars movies were so great because of how freaking competent Vader was.  He was the best pilot out there, killing fools outside the Death Star.  He was one step ahead of everyone on Cloud City.  Everyone watching those movies were like "what's it going to take to beat this guy?"  In the sequels, the bad guys were bumbling idiots who f*ck up all the time and used for comedy.  That doesn't make for a satisfying space war movie.

Counterpoint: Outside of Vader and the Emperor (And questions about the Emperor and his fixations on super-weapons), the Empire seems to go between "Basically Competent" and "Hilariously Inept". Vader left a unit of Storm Troopers on Tatooine to look for the super important plans and then farked off back to the Death Star (Or was recalled) and never read the reports they should have been sending. The Storm Troopers had a handful checking vehicles coming into Mos Eisley for droids, but not data. Even your example with the Death Star works: They countered two squadrons with three fighters. Three out of the hundreds something like the Death Star must carry. And that's just A New Hope.


When the Falcon is captured by the Death Star they mention it matches the reports of a ship that blasted out of Mos Eisley.

and they don't only send out three TIEs to defend the Death Star, Vader goss out with two wingmen to tip the balance of the ongoing conflict
 
2020-06-30 1:59:34 PM  
2 votes:

Brokenseas: Bootleg:

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.


The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.  And tie fighters were effective in attacking later on, blasting Leia out into space.  But then the commander says "pull the tie fighters back"  Why?  Swarm them with tie fighters!  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.

The first Star Wars movies were so great because of how freaking competent Vader was.  He was the best pilot out there, killing fools outside the Death Star.  He was one step ahead of everyone on Cloud City.  Everyone watching those movies were like "what's it going to take to beat this guy?"  In the sequels, the bad guys were bumbling idiots who f*ck up all the time and used for comedy.  That doesn't make for a satisfying space war movie.


Counterpoint: Outside of Vader and the Emperor (And questions about the Emperor and his fixations on super-weapons), the Empire seems to go between "Basically Competent" and "Hilariously Inept". Vader left a unit of Storm Troopers on Tatooine to look for the super important plans and then farked off back to the Death Star (Or was recalled) and never read the reports they should have been sending. The Storm Troopers had a handful checking vehicles coming into Mos Eisley for droids, but not data. Even your example with the Death Star works: They countered two squadrons with three fighters. Three out of the hundreds something like the Death Star must carry. And that's just A New Hope.
 
2020-06-30 1:55:12 PM  
2 votes:

null: Mad_Radhu: [Fark user image image 425x319]

"You can't destroy Infinity Stones!"

oh wait.

And Marvel says they are truly gone now, no "reconstitute them from their constitute atoms" tricks.


Eh, good. There's enough "Oh, this thing that happened didn't happen now" in comics and comic-related things already
 
2020-06-30 1:47:02 PM  
2 votes:

Brokenseas: Bootleg:

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.


The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.  And tie fighters were effective in attacking later on, blasting Leia out into space.  But then the commander says "pull the tie fighters back"  Why?  Swarm them with tie fighters!  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.

The first Star Wars movies were so great because of how freaking competent Vader was.  He was the best pilot out there, killing fools outside the Death Star.  He was one step ahead of everyone on Cloud City.  Everyone watching those movies were like "what's it going to take to beat this guy?"  In the sequels, the bad guys were bumbling idiots who f*ck up all the time and used for comedy.  That doesn't make for a satisfying space war movie.


You forget, that huge First Order fleet sent a whopping THREE TIE fighters to cripple the Resistance (and blow the bridge crew out the window). So, instead of a 70 minute chase, maybe send the other 500+ TIE fighters out there? I just can't turn off my brain that much.
 
2020-06-30 1:46:37 PM  
2 votes:

Brokenseas: Stratohead: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"


now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.


I thought that was a fun nod to the Dune books.  Star Wars has always been heavily indebted to and influenced by Dune:

Desert Planet Arrakis = Desert Planet Tatooine
Paul Atreides = Luke Skywalker
Baron Harkonnen =  Darth Vader
Duncan Idaho = Han Solo
Gurney Halleck = Obi Wan
Princess Alia = Princess Leia
The Evil Emperor = The Evil Emperor
Imperial Saudaukar = Imperial Stormtroopers
Bene Gasserit = Jedi Knights
Knife fighting = Lightsaber fighting
Obi Wan uses The Voice on the stormtroopers

Spice from Arrakis is needed for interstellar travel = fuel from a planet with a nickname Spice is needed for interstellar travel.


Not bad, but you may want to watch Kurosawa's 'The Hidden Fortress'.

On another note, that "Overlord DVD" fool, "Nerdcrotic" and similar channels on YT are horrifyingly anti-woman, who probably preferred their Star Wars when it was one woman in the entire galaxy, that by the third movie in the series her role was so reduced, that they had her in a farking metal bikini for a large part of the movie, and then had to be rescued by farking teddy bears. I didn't even bother to see their thoughts on 'Rogue One' or the latest trilogy. They're probably filled with so much hatred and bile that it makes them unwatchable.

'A New Hope' Leia is best Leia. She wasn't too bad in 'Empire', but she was starting to get reduced to love interest.
 
2020-06-30 1:10:46 PM  
2 votes:

Stratohead: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"

thats one of the things that breaks the in universe rules...
in SW...technology has basically hit a plateau a couple thousand years previous the the Skywalker saga.
the ONLY way most of this tech makes sense is if Energy is widely and cheaply available.
now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.

we are supposed to be able to suspend disbelief in order to buy the setting, the space magic etc...for that to work it has to have some in universe rules to follow...now they will break those internal boundries any time they feel like just so they can have a non-sensical action scene or plot point (Ep IX introduced "hyperspace skipping"...What the Proverbial fark??)


Space westerns with space dogfights, and laser sword fights between space monks and space ninjas.

/Didn't hate any of them. Even had fun at Phantom since I was farking plowed and seeing it with my closest 1L friends who just beat the everloving shiat out of the space minstrel and space Chinese-jew sterotypes. Nothing like listening to ivy league Tex-MexiCAN drunkenly rage in front of the line of suburbanites waiting to get in to the next showing.
 
2020-06-30 1:09:34 PM  
2 votes:

Mad_Radhu: [Fark user image 425x319]


What was really made that awesome in the edited TV version is right when he is talking about the Reality Stone, they cut to Chris Pratt who is leaning forward, paying close attention.

I don't believe he was even cast as Star Lord by then.
 
2020-06-30 1:05:31 PM  
2 votes:

iheartscotch: null: born_yesterday: dv-ous: TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

Slight edit

Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.

*Cue Beastie Boys song*

Us Trek fans sit back with our Romulan Ales and watch the madness of J.J. Abrams and Star Wars fans destroy another franchise.

Ya didn't learn from Jar-Jar and you decided to rehash the Original Trilogy but with new characters in a stupid way.  What did you expect?

Computer, "popcorn, salt and extra butter, large size".

Star Trek Into Darkness was fantastic.


Except for the "don't kill Khan, we need his blood despite having a cargo bay full of other frozen superhumans" plot hole.
 
2020-06-30 12:57:41 PM  
2 votes:

null: born_yesterday: dv-ous: TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

Slight edit

Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.

*Cue Beastie Boys song*

Us Trek fans sit back with our Romulan Ales and watch the madness of J.J. Abrams and Star Wars fans destroy another franchise.

Ya didn't learn from Jar-Jar and you decided to rehash the Original Trilogy but with new characters in a stupid way.  What did you expect?

Computer, "popcorn, salt and extra butter, large size".


Star Trek Into Darkness was fantastic.
 
2020-07-01 7:40:40 AM  
1 vote:

Jerseysteve22: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"

I liked TFA the best, but the Star Killer base blasting a planet on the other side of the galaxy and everyone seeing it from a different part was one of the dumbest scenes in the entire series. It went downhill from there.

Rey and Finn were good characters. Poe was just obnoxious from VII on


Everybody forgets he did that in the Star Trek reboot when he blew up Vulcan.
 
2020-06-30 9:56:01 PM  
1 vote:

Darth_Lukecash: First of all, I loved all the new characters. I loved all the actors. I had no issues with what they did. Only stupid people would remove characters that inspired a new generation.

My only two issue was what happened to the Original Characters and that Disney had no overreaching damned plot.

Lucas had a vague outline for the original trilogy. This allowed him enough room to make changes mid-production and still come out as structured.

The prequels had a definite story structure, which fit into the over all structure of a Saga.  Quality issues aside, the over all plot and themes meshed very well.

Disney should have just started their own new saga with an episode 1. Or have the first movie a last hurrah in glory for the Original Characters and hand off the saga to the next generation.

The saddest part of all this: Lucas had entrusted Disney with Star Wars for safe keeping. He should have just made Star Wars Public domain....


He didn't give it to Disney for "safe keeping" he gave it to them for "a billion dollars"

The public domain doesn't have a billion dollars to spend.

nothing will go public domain again - everything will be owned in perpetuity by immortal corporations until we replace the entire socioeconomic system.
 
2020-06-30 8:15:47 PM  
1 vote:

Darth_Lukecash: browntimmy: EdgeRunner: They can keep insisting it's the "Skywalker Saga", but they totally whiffed that. It's the Palpatine Saga now.

I guess a summary of "The Skywalker Saga" goes: The Skywalkers rise and fall and rise again to defeat an empire...then they went away and allowed things to get worse than before until a non-Skywalker showed up out of nowhere and fixed it...then decided she wanted to be called Skywalker.

I didn't understand why they didn't just make Rey Luke's kid in The Last Jedi and just have Luke guarding something important that would make things worse in the Galaxy if he wasn't there stopping it.

Luke doing something noble and sacrifice his happiness makes a better character plot than Luke moping in hiding.


They tried to get away with a major character change for Luke without the narrative screen time to earn that change.  Instead we got brief summary exposition and one blurry flashback - and now everyone's cool with Luke being a pouty quitter, right?  It occurred to me that Luke's and Kylo's story would have made a fine trilogy if they had just started out that way.  Instead we were thrust into the middle of that story.  That's just poor story telling.

But even that is not as bothersome as the way VII ended and VIII began.  VII hands off a cliff hanger and VIII literally drops the baton and decides, no, forget all that, we want to tell a completely different story.  Who let that happen?
 
2020-06-30 8:14:14 PM  
1 vote:
The greatest tragedy of the new films is they had good actors playing good characters, all in service to garbage plots written by hacks with naked contempt for the franchise.

I really liked Rey, Kylo, Finn, and Poe. And if Kennedy and the other powers that be had taken their jobs seriously and gone into this with an actual plan instead of pulling things out of their asses, they could have had something truly amazing - at least as good as the originals, maybe better.

Instead we got a tire fire and those actors wasted their time, energy, and talents.
 
2020-06-30 8:02:41 PM  
1 vote:

zbtop: My desire for additional Star Wars content was thoroughly crushed after Ep8.

like...as a consumer, my demand just flattened to zero. The inner eight year old that was obsessed with Star Wars died. Never did see Ep 9.

There's a lot of reasons people don't like these movies, and lots of culture wars being fought over it. As is however, I just can't bring myself to care about the franchise at all anymore.


Are you me? I've seen every numbered film and R1 opening day, even ANH and I was like 4 when that came out.  E8 was like flipping a switch in my head.  My give-a-damn literally died in the theater, somewhere between space Vegas, the super-duper star destroyer incursion, and Rose's idiotic and selfish stunt on planet Salt.

I've not seen 9, and I can't imagine I ever will.
 
2020-06-30 7:52:22 PM  
1 vote:

madgonad: VII was just a soft ANH reboot. I liked the runaway stormtrooper angle. I liked the protagonist being a young woman. I thought being found on a desert planet was too on the nose though. Watching the UltraSuperDeath Star beams sail across the galaxy while visible from some random planet's surface actually hurt. It is like the creators of Star Wars thought that the speed of light is infinite and the galaxy is the size of a solar system. It ripped me out of the movie. I expected Han to get killed by his son. I liked Finn trying to fight Kylo with a light saber and I liked Rey getting the saber and standing up to Kylo. All the rest is ho-hum. Maybe a little too Mary Sue for Rey. I believed her having legit fighting skills, but piloting the Falcon with no prior experience - nah. Remember, Luke was already trained as a pilot before Yavin and even then he was sloppy and needed others to sacrifice for him to win.

VIII was just.... painful. It went off the rails from the very start with the phone gag. Then Leia and Haldo take turns kicking Poe in the balls for a very successful victory during the withdrawal and then keeping him in the dark and watching him flail during the slow-speed chase and mutiny. Pointless trip to CasinoWorld. Lightspeed ramming technique that made all previous space battles pointless. Turned Luke into a psycho. The man who surrendered to the emperor to save his father thought it was a good idea to kill his nephew? And then at the end Yoda's ghost gaslights him into killing himself. I wanted more female characters in Star Wars, but their role shouldn't be to thwart the male heroes (Leia, Holdo, and Rose are there to thwart Finn and Poe. Why not have them act against, you know, the bad guys?). Rose crashing into Finn and then sexually assaulting him was the single most dumb thing in Star Wars - even worse than Jar Jar and Yipee!. Rey's arc wasn't too bad. I liked what happened on HER side with Luke. If TLJ really wanted to be edgy, Rey should have turned to the dark side and Kylo would have fled to the rebels.

IX was just a bunch of stuff that happened. Nothing made sense because it started out by bring Palpatine back in. Just throw stuff on the screen and hope it all works out.


Episode 8 spent huge chunks of the movie emasculating Poe for destroying the dreadnaught. The same dreadnaught that would have annihilated the Rebel fleet after their first jump, since they didn't know they were being tracked.
 
2020-06-30 5:44:05 PM  
1 vote:

madgonad: VII was just a soft ANH reboot. I liked the runaway stormtrooper angle. I liked the protagonist being a young woman. I thought being found on a desert planet was too on the nose though. Watching the UltraSuperDeath Star beams sail across the galaxy while visible from some random planet's surface actually hurt. It is like the creators of Star Wars thought that the speed of light is infinite and the galaxy is the size of a solar system. It ripped me out of the movie. I expected Han to get killed by his son. I liked Finn trying to fight Kylo with a light saber and I liked Rey getting the saber and standing up to Kylo. All the rest is ho-hum. Maybe a little too Mary Sue for Rey. I believed her having legit fighting skills, but piloting the Falcon with no prior experience - nah. Remember, Luke was already trained as a pilot before Yavin and even then he was sloppy and needed others to sacrifice for him to win.


This is pretty much how I feel about VII. It started out great - the raid on the village, a turned stormtrooper, an orphan scavenger on a distant planet with some old space battle debris to explore. But once Finn and Rey fled from the stormtroopers and ran to the Millennium Falcon, the alarm bells started to go off in my head and my interest began to slide.

I can recall the exact moment I came to the conclusion this was going to be a dud - it was on the Millennium Falcon right before Han and Chewbacca showed. Something about Finn and Rey's interaction seemed off.  From there, I just could not get into it.  It just did not feel like Star Wars to me.  This version of of the galaxy seemed very alien to me.  It seemed like a poorly made fan film - some one had access to some really great props and actors, but didn't understand what made Star Wars great. The sequels just got worse from there.

While the prequels had issues, I enjoyed watching them and they still felt like Star Wars.  To me, the only Disney movie that came closest to feeling like Star Wars was Rogue One, but I think it was because it really benefitted from directly using locations and images from Episode 4 and it had Vader.  Then again, the sequel trilogy had the original actors and it still failed to feel like Star Wars.

At this point I'm done with Star Wars. It was a great part of my youth, but there is no future with this franchise.
 
2020-06-30 5:36:03 PM  
1 vote:
How about just coming up with new, solid stories with interesting, well written characters using the backdrop of the star wars universe?  It worked for The Mandolorian.
 
2020-06-30 3:50:48 PM  
1 vote:
There was a bad Star Wars movie?  First I've heard of it...
 
2020-06-30 3:24:48 PM  
1 vote:

wee: Fisher is dead and Harrison would never come back. He wanted his character dead in Empire Strikes Back (which is why they introduced Lando). So good luck with the rebooting things rumor.

And yes, the last two movies were only marginally better than the prequels, but they are what they are and they exist.


They're also three more movies that Disney can continue to sell now and forever in various formats, and a box set of 9 Palpatine Saga movies carries a higher price tag than sets of 3. (They can keep insisting it's the "Skywalker Saga", but they totally whiffed that. It's the Palpatine Saga now.) They were never going to handwave away the prequels for the same reason. "Official canon" equals "anything Disney can still wring some coins out of".
 
wee
2020-06-30 3:13:30 PM  
1 vote:
Fisher is dead and Harrison would never come back. He wanted his character dead in Empire Strikes Back (which is why they introduced Lando). So good luck with the rebooting things rumor.

And yes, the last two movies were only marginally better than the prequels, but they are what they are and they exist.
 
2020-06-30 3:08:04 PM  
1 vote:

EdgeRunner: RyansPrivates: Clone wars is fantastic, the problem is that it was always seen as a "ancillary" property because it was animation on a "kids channel". It's also the reason DC movies suck, but the animation was killing it. When you see animation as a second tier, you don't care that the quality is spectacular because your own small definition it isn't "mass marketable".

The failure to mass market something always falls on the license holders for failing to recognize what they've got. There's another Suicide Squad movie on the way, and of course they're going to rub everyone's faces in it and try to hype up sales for whatever tie-in merch they create. But if they distributed the new Harley Quinn series better and showed it more love, don't you think a figure line for that property would easily outsell whatever junk the SS movie might offer?


Preaching to the choir, pal.

/The best Suicide Squad portrayal was the "Task Force X" episode of  JLU.
 
2020-06-30 3:03:52 PM  
1 vote:

RyansPrivates: Clone wars is fantastic, the problem is that it was always seen as a "ancillary" property because it was animation on a "kids channel". It's also the reason DC movies suck, but the animation was killing it. When you see animation as a second tier, you don't care that the quality is spectacular because your own small definition it isn't "mass marketable".


The failure to mass market something always falls on the license holders for failing to recognize what they've got. There's another Suicide Squad movie on the way, and of course they're going to rub everyone's faces in it and try to hype up sales for whatever tie-in merch they create. But if they distributed the new Harley Quinn series better and showed it more love, don't you think a figure line for that property would easily outsell whatever junk the SS movie might offer?
 
2020-06-30 2:34:34 PM  
1 vote:

Anenu: Brokenseas: The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?

I thought that was kind of the point, the First Order are Neo Imperials and like real world Neo Nazis they are a pathetic incompetent shadow of the original. General Hux being a petulant manchild who cared more about Ben losing than the First Order winning was one of the more memorable scenes from that movie.



That may be the case, but if your antagonists are incompetent, then there's no stakes, and that's just plain bad writing.
 
2020-06-30 2:12:56 PM  
1 vote:

Snatch Bandergrip: The Star Wars franchise is two and a half excellent films, a smattering of decent ancillary material, and a universe of dogshiat.


I might disagree on the specific numbers (I would put it at closer to 4, 2 of which were complete films), but you are right in spirit.
 
2020-06-30 1:56:18 PM  
1 vote:

Bootleg: dv-ous: TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

Slight edit

Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.

Why, do you like under-cooked cinnamon rolls?


The flares from the sugar crystals would blind anyone going into the shop.
 
2020-06-30 1:48:54 PM  
1 vote:
Also, redoing the sequel trilogy isn't gonna happen. Ford won't do it and Fisher is dead.

If anything is gonna happen outside of more one-offs it will be rebooting the entire Skywalker series with an all new cast from the start. Do they go in sequence or stick to the original release order?
 
2020-06-30 1:29:38 PM  
1 vote:

Copperbelly watersnake: Bootleg: Stratohead: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"

thats one of the things that breaks the in universe rules...
in SW...technology has basically hit a plateau a couple thousand years previous the the Skywalker saga.
the ONLY way most of this tech makes sense is if Energy is widely and cheaply available.
now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.

we are supposed to be able to suspend disbelief in order to buy the setting, the space magic etc...for that to work it has to have some in universe rules to follow...now they will break those internal boundries any time they feel like just so they can have a non-sensical action scene or plot point (Ep IX introduced "hyperspace skipping"...What the Proverbial fark??)

Fuel was a thing that existed in the Star Wars EU for... Well, certainly for a while. Hyperfuel was a thing in Episode 1 (Well, the Hype ...


Look, I was going to fill the tank this morning but then I slept through the alarm and was late to work.

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.
 
2020-06-30 1:22:45 PM  
1 vote:

Bootleg: Stratohead: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"

thats one of the things that breaks the in universe rules...
in SW...technology has basically hit a plateau a couple thousand years previous the the Skywalker saga.
the ONLY way most of this tech makes sense is if Energy is widely and cheaply available.
now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.

we are supposed to be able to suspend disbelief in order to buy the setting, the space magic etc...for that to work it has to have some in universe rules to follow...now they will break those internal boundries any time they feel like just so they can have a non-sensical action scene or plot point (Ep IX introduced "hyperspace skipping"...What the Proverbial fark??)

Fuel was a thing that existed in the Star Wars EU for... Well, certainly for a while. Hyperfuel was a thing in Episode 1 (Well, the Hyperdrive was leaking something, at least) as well. And also, I was under the impression that Coaxium could be found in several locations, but to find a large source of unrefined coaxium that they could steal they had to go to Kessel (Though, they should have just left it as Spice they were stealing. But Spice doesn't explode and... Ugh, that movie).


Yes, but as they are evacuating the base boone thought " You know what might be smart while loading up people and supplies, refueling the ships".

More than half the people sitting around the table planning the attack on Starkiller Base were veterans from the Rebel Alliance. These people should be experts at staying on the run from brutal dictators, yet every single one managed to forget one of the most important details?
 
2020-06-30 1:04:55 PM  
1 vote:
"Doomcock Overlord"?
You know he has a
Teeny
Weeny
Peeny.
And all the Internet shall tremble before his white hot wrath!

Why is everybody laughing?
 
2020-06-30 12:54:50 PM  
1 vote:

MrFrode: "So what Doomcock is explaining is that a Star Wars Multiverse will be created which will isolate the Disney Star Wars Trilogy as being a part of a separate universe that is not a part of the George Lucas original Star Wars films."

Lucas/Disney is basically giving up and saying everything is canon and you better believe they will shovel out garbage for all tastes hoping to separate you from your money.

Disney doesn't care about Star Wars it cares about money and it has realized it F'd up on the new trilogy and is trying to find a way to maximize their investment. You love/hate Rey, Disney's got a universe for you, you like/hate the original-expanded trilogy stories, Disney's got a universe for you, you think the new trilogy was the best, well you need help but Disney's got a universe for you too.


I'm glad you're taking Doomcock Whateverthehell's word for this
 
2020-06-30 12:52:33 PM  
1 vote:

Stratohead: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"

thats one of the things that breaks the in universe rules...
in SW...technology has basically hit a plateau a couple thousand years previous the the Skywalker saga.
the ONLY way most of this tech makes sense is if Energy is widely and cheaply available.
now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.

we are supposed to be able to suspend disbelief in order to buy the setting, the space magic etc...for that to work it has to have some in universe rules to follow...now they will break those internal boundries any time they feel like just so they can have a non-sensical action scene or plot point (Ep IX introduced "hyperspace skipping"...What the Proverbial fark??)


Fuel was a thing that existed in the Star Wars EU for... Well, certainly for a while. Hyperfuel was a thing in Episode 1 (Well, the Hyperdrive was leaking something, at least) as well. And also, I was under the impression that Coaxium could be found in several locations, but to find a large source of unrefined coaxium that they could steal they had to go to Kessel (Though, they should have just left it as Spice they were stealing. But Spice doesn't explode and... Ugh, that movie).
 
2020-06-30 12:43:20 PM  
1 vote:

Anenu: They aren't going to erase the prequel series from canon, that is stupid fanboy nonsense. Some people did like that trilogy and you can build off it later for money and nostalgia. What they will probably do is step back from the entire Skywalker/Palpatine stuff and focus more on other aspects of the Star Wars universe like other time period in Star Wars lore and other Jedi and other stories.


Which is pretty much what Disney has been saying was going to happen anyway
 
2020-06-30 12:41:20 PM  
1 vote:

Bootleg: dv-ous: TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

Slight edit

Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.

Why, do you like under-cooked cinnamon rolls?


And yet they're still somehow stale, too.
 
2020-06-30 12:37:41 PM  
1 vote:

dv-ous: TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

Slight edit

Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.


I like cinnamon rolls AND Omaha.....
 
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