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(Some Guy)   Apparently Disney isn't happy with 'The Last Jedi' either. Difficulty: according to "DoomCock Overlord"   (cosmicbook.news) divider line
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2020-06-30 5:36:03 PM  
How about just coming up with new, solid stories with interesting, well written characters using the backdrop of the star wars universe?  It worked for The Mandolorian.
 
2020-06-30 5:44:05 PM  

madgonad: VII was just a soft ANH reboot. I liked the runaway stormtrooper angle. I liked the protagonist being a young woman. I thought being found on a desert planet was too on the nose though. Watching the UltraSuperDeath Star beams sail across the galaxy while visible from some random planet's surface actually hurt. It is like the creators of Star Wars thought that the speed of light is infinite and the galaxy is the size of a solar system. It ripped me out of the movie. I expected Han to get killed by his son. I liked Finn trying to fight Kylo with a light saber and I liked Rey getting the saber and standing up to Kylo. All the rest is ho-hum. Maybe a little too Mary Sue for Rey. I believed her having legit fighting skills, but piloting the Falcon with no prior experience - nah. Remember, Luke was already trained as a pilot before Yavin and even then he was sloppy and needed others to sacrifice for him to win.


This is pretty much how I feel about VII. It started out great - the raid on the village, a turned stormtrooper, an orphan scavenger on a distant planet with some old space battle debris to explore. But once Finn and Rey fled from the stormtroopers and ran to the Millennium Falcon, the alarm bells started to go off in my head and my interest began to slide.

I can recall the exact moment I came to the conclusion this was going to be a dud - it was on the Millennium Falcon right before Han and Chewbacca showed. Something about Finn and Rey's interaction seemed off.  From there, I just could not get into it.  It just did not feel like Star Wars to me.  This version of of the galaxy seemed very alien to me.  It seemed like a poorly made fan film - some one had access to some really great props and actors, but didn't understand what made Star Wars great. The sequels just got worse from there.

While the prequels had issues, I enjoyed watching them and they still felt like Star Wars.  To me, the only Disney movie that came closest to feeling like Star Wars was Rogue One, but I think it was because it really benefitted from directly using locations and images from Episode 4 and it had Vader.  Then again, the sequel trilogy had the original actors and it still failed to feel like Star Wars.

At this point I'm done with Star Wars. It was a great part of my youth, but there is no future with this franchise.
 
2020-06-30 5:55:16 PM  

browntimmy: EdgeRunner: They can keep insisting it's the "Skywalker Saga", but they totally whiffed that. It's the Palpatine Saga now.

I guess a summary of "The Skywalker Saga" goes: The Skywalkers rise and fall and rise again to defeat an empire...then they went away and allowed things to get worse than before until a non-Skywalker showed up out of nowhere and fixed it...then decided she wanted to be called Skywalker.


I didn't understand why they didn't just make Rey Luke's kid in The Last Jedi and just have Luke guarding something important that would make things worse in the Galaxy if he wasn't there stopping it.

Luke doing something noble and sacrifice his happiness makes a better character plot than Luke moping in hiding.
 
2020-06-30 7:07:11 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: browntimmy: EdgeRunner: They can keep insisting it's the "Skywalker Saga", but they totally whiffed that. It's the Palpatine Saga now.

I guess a summary of "The Skywalker Saga" goes: The Skywalkers rise and fall and rise again to defeat an empire...then they went away and allowed things to get worse than before until a non-Skywalker showed up out of nowhere and fixed it...then decided she wanted to be called Skywalker.

I didn't understand why they didn't just make Rey Luke's kid in The Last Jedi and just have Luke guarding something important that would make things worse in the Galaxy if he wasn't there stopping it.

Luke doing something noble and sacrifice his happiness makes a better character plot than Luke moping in hiding.


Your expectations have been subverted.
 
2020-06-30 7:20:37 PM  
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2020-06-30 7:42:46 PM  
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2020-06-30 7:43:51 PM  
I don't believe a single word of this article. It's almost as absurd as paying 4 billion dollars for a franchise then hot-booking a new trilogy with multiple writers and directors but no story roadmap.

Almost.
 
2020-06-30 7:52:22 PM  

madgonad: VII was just a soft ANH reboot. I liked the runaway stormtrooper angle. I liked the protagonist being a young woman. I thought being found on a desert planet was too on the nose though. Watching the UltraSuperDeath Star beams sail across the galaxy while visible from some random planet's surface actually hurt. It is like the creators of Star Wars thought that the speed of light is infinite and the galaxy is the size of a solar system. It ripped me out of the movie. I expected Han to get killed by his son. I liked Finn trying to fight Kylo with a light saber and I liked Rey getting the saber and standing up to Kylo. All the rest is ho-hum. Maybe a little too Mary Sue for Rey. I believed her having legit fighting skills, but piloting the Falcon with no prior experience - nah. Remember, Luke was already trained as a pilot before Yavin and even then he was sloppy and needed others to sacrifice for him to win.

VIII was just.... painful. It went off the rails from the very start with the phone gag. Then Leia and Haldo take turns kicking Poe in the balls for a very successful victory during the withdrawal and then keeping him in the dark and watching him flail during the slow-speed chase and mutiny. Pointless trip to CasinoWorld. Lightspeed ramming technique that made all previous space battles pointless. Turned Luke into a psycho. The man who surrendered to the emperor to save his father thought it was a good idea to kill his nephew? And then at the end Yoda's ghost gaslights him into killing himself. I wanted more female characters in Star Wars, but their role shouldn't be to thwart the male heroes (Leia, Holdo, and Rose are there to thwart Finn and Poe. Why not have them act against, you know, the bad guys?). Rose crashing into Finn and then sexually assaulting him was the single most dumb thing in Star Wars - even worse than Jar Jar and Yipee!. Rey's arc wasn't too bad. I liked what happened on HER side with Luke. If TLJ really wanted to be edgy, Rey should have turned to the dark side and Kylo would have fled to the rebels.

IX was just a bunch of stuff that happened. Nothing made sense because it started out by bring Palpatine back in. Just throw stuff on the screen and hope it all works out.


Episode 8 spent huge chunks of the movie emasculating Poe for destroying the dreadnaught. The same dreadnaught that would have annihilated the Rebel fleet after their first jump, since they didn't know they were being tracked.
 
2020-06-30 7:55:32 PM  
mybluemake:

Space westerns with space dogfights, and laser sword fights between space monks and space ninjas.

/Didn't hate any of them. Even had fun at Phan ...


I've been able to watch all of the new trilogy several times without hurting myself, and that inspired me to go back and check the prequels.  I had not seen them since they were in the movie theaters.  Maybe it was just negative hype...

Nope.  That is a really bad movie.  Wow.  The Phantom Menace is not watchable.  I can't do it.  I'd rather watch the ghostbusters ladies again.
 
2020-06-30 8:02:41 PM  

zbtop: My desire for additional Star Wars content was thoroughly crushed after Ep8.

like...as a consumer, my demand just flattened to zero. The inner eight year old that was obsessed with Star Wars died. Never did see Ep 9.

There's a lot of reasons people don't like these movies, and lots of culture wars being fought over it. As is however, I just can't bring myself to care about the franchise at all anymore.


Are you me? I've seen every numbered film and R1 opening day, even ANH and I was like 4 when that came out.  E8 was like flipping a switch in my head.  My give-a-damn literally died in the theater, somewhere between space Vegas, the super-duper star destroyer incursion, and Rose's idiotic and selfish stunt on planet Salt.

I've not seen 9, and I can't imagine I ever will.
 
2020-06-30 8:14:14 PM  
The greatest tragedy of the new films is they had good actors playing good characters, all in service to garbage plots written by hacks with naked contempt for the franchise.

I really liked Rey, Kylo, Finn, and Poe. And if Kennedy and the other powers that be had taken their jobs seriously and gone into this with an actual plan instead of pulling things out of their asses, they could have had something truly amazing - at least as good as the originals, maybe better.

Instead we got a tire fire and those actors wasted their time, energy, and talents.
 
2020-06-30 8:15:47 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: browntimmy: EdgeRunner: They can keep insisting it's the "Skywalker Saga", but they totally whiffed that. It's the Palpatine Saga now.

I guess a summary of "The Skywalker Saga" goes: The Skywalkers rise and fall and rise again to defeat an empire...then they went away and allowed things to get worse than before until a non-Skywalker showed up out of nowhere and fixed it...then decided she wanted to be called Skywalker.

I didn't understand why they didn't just make Rey Luke's kid in The Last Jedi and just have Luke guarding something important that would make things worse in the Galaxy if he wasn't there stopping it.

Luke doing something noble and sacrifice his happiness makes a better character plot than Luke moping in hiding.


They tried to get away with a major character change for Luke without the narrative screen time to earn that change.  Instead we got brief summary exposition and one blurry flashback - and now everyone's cool with Luke being a pouty quitter, right?  It occurred to me that Luke's and Kylo's story would have made a fine trilogy if they had just started out that way.  Instead we were thrust into the middle of that story.  That's just poor story telling.

But even that is not as bothersome as the way VII ended and VIII began.  VII hands off a cliff hanger and VIII literally drops the baton and decides, no, forget all that, we want to tell a completely different story.  Who let that happen?
 
2020-06-30 8:35:22 PM  

TDWCom29: shoegaze99: Holy shiat, Fark, can we PLEASE NOT LINK TO COSMICBOOKNEWS. It's literally the farking InfoWars of geek websites, a site that makes even We Got This Covered look credible, run by an agenda-driven asshole who routinely MAKES SHIAT UP in order to push his agenda, a guy who had a bug so far up his arse about Brie Larson they were crawling back out of his mouth, who pushes inane geek conspiracy nonsense on a regular basis, and on and on and on.

I don't even need to look at this (and won't give him a click) to guess it's part of his ongoing narrative that SJWs are ruining Star Wars and Disney is worried and blah blah blah. He's been spewing that shiat for years.

Can we PLEASE not give this asshole any traffic?

What's his Fark handle?


Ha! Like you don't know your own alts!
 
2020-06-30 9:34:36 PM  
Disney bought a franchise that had a fan base that would sleep outside of theaters for days to buy tickets. New parents would talk about which order they would show their newborns the movies. Original trilogy or prequel trilogy? They pissed that all away for immediate quarterly profits. They can live with that choice.
 
2020-06-30 9:56:01 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: First of all, I loved all the new characters. I loved all the actors. I had no issues with what they did. Only stupid people would remove characters that inspired a new generation.

My only two issue was what happened to the Original Characters and that Disney had no overreaching damned plot.

Lucas had a vague outline for the original trilogy. This allowed him enough room to make changes mid-production and still come out as structured.

The prequels had a definite story structure, which fit into the over all structure of a Saga.  Quality issues aside, the over all plot and themes meshed very well.

Disney should have just started their own new saga with an episode 1. Or have the first movie a last hurrah in glory for the Original Characters and hand off the saga to the next generation.

The saddest part of all this: Lucas had entrusted Disney with Star Wars for safe keeping. He should have just made Star Wars Public domain....


He didn't give it to Disney for "safe keeping" he gave it to them for "a billion dollars"

The public domain doesn't have a billion dollars to spend.

nothing will go public domain again - everything will be owned in perpetuity by immortal corporations until we replace the entire socioeconomic system.
 
2020-07-01 7:40:40 AM  

Jerseysteve22: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"

I liked TFA the best, but the Star Killer base blasting a planet on the other side of the galaxy and everyone seeing it from a different part was one of the dumbest scenes in the entire series. It went downhill from there.

Rey and Finn were good characters. Poe was just obnoxious from VII on


Everybody forgets he did that in the Star Trek reboot when he blew up Vulcan.
 
2020-07-01 10:32:16 AM  

Bluenosed Baker: Jerseysteve22: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"

I liked TFA the best, but the Star Killer base blasting a planet on the other side of the galaxy and everyone seeing it from a different part was one of the dumbest scenes in the entire series. It went downhill from there.

Rey and Finn were good characters. Poe was just obnoxious from VII on

Everybody forgets he did that in the Star Trek reboot when he blew up Vulcan.


Not me. Abrams can keep things moving pretty well, but he has no sense of "scope".

What made the original trilogy so good (and one of the few things the the prequels did well) was make the galaxy seem like a huge, diverse, place.
 
2020-07-01 10:45:31 AM  

PlaidJaguar: He didn't give it to Disney for "safe keeping" he gave it to them for "a billion dollars"


It was over $4 billion. Nobody, but nobody, throws that kind of money out the window. Given what Disney had done with Marvel, there was every reason to expect it would be properly handled.

Then Disney put somebody with no vision in charge of things and let directors make movies with no overarching narrative to tell.

It looks like they're trying to get the IP back on track with The Mandalorian and other smaller form installments. But they seriously screwed the pooch on the film end of things. I liked the sequel trilogy more than most did and even I can see that they farked stuff up. But damn, TFA's plan is even worse than what they actually did. Either disavow it completely (and remake the prequels while they're at it), or just let it stand and go make some good Star Wars stuff so the crap movies get drowned out by the better quality material.
 
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