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2020-06-30 1:23:37 PM  

Stratohead: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"


now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.



I thought that was a fun nod to the Dune books.  Star Wars has always been heavily indebted to and influenced by Dune:

Desert Planet Arrakis = Desert Planet Tatooine
Paul Atreides = Luke Skywalker
Baron Harkonnen =  Darth Vader
Duncan Idaho = Han Solo
Gurney Halleck = Obi Wan
Princess Alia = Princess Leia
The Evil Emperor = The Evil Emperor
Imperial Saudaukar = Imperial Stormtroopers
Bene Gasserit = Jedi Knights
Knife fighting = Lightsaber fighting
Obi Wan uses The Voice on the stormtroopers

Spice from Arrakis is needed for interstellar travel = fuel from a planet with a nickname Spice is needed for interstellar travel.
 
2020-06-30 1:29:38 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Bootleg: Stratohead: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"

thats one of the things that breaks the in universe rules...
in SW...technology has basically hit a plateau a couple thousand years previous the the Skywalker saga.
the ONLY way most of this tech makes sense is if Energy is widely and cheaply available.
now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.

we are supposed to be able to suspend disbelief in order to buy the setting, the space magic etc...for that to work it has to have some in universe rules to follow...now they will break those internal boundries any time they feel like just so they can have a non-sensical action scene or plot point (Ep IX introduced "hyperspace skipping"...What the Proverbial fark??)

Fuel was a thing that existed in the Star Wars EU for... Well, certainly for a while. Hyperfuel was a thing in Episode 1 (Well, the Hype ...


Look, I was going to fill the tank this morning but then I slept through the alarm and was late to work.

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.
 
2020-06-30 1:33:53 PM  
It brings such joy to know that there is a segment of the population that thinks that Disney spends a lot of time caring whether or not all of the story beats in their favorite space wizard fantasy merch commercial* fit together in an airtight enough way. And also that they believe any part of it is more imaginary than another.

*I am a huge Star Wars fan, but I mean... c'mon
 
2020-06-30 1:40:54 PM  
Bootleg:

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.


The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.  And tie fighters were effective in attacking later on, blasting Leia out into space.  But then the commander says "pull the tie fighters back"  Why?  Swarm them with tie fighters!  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.

The first Star Wars movies were so great because of how freaking competent Vader was.  He was the best pilot out there, killing fools outside the Death Star.  He was one step ahead of everyone on Cloud City.  Everyone watching those movies were like "what's it going to take to beat this guy?"  In the sequels, the bad guys were bumbling idiots who f*ck up all the time and used for comedy.  That doesn't make for a satisfying space war movie.
 
2020-06-30 1:44:07 PM  
The Star Wars franchise is two and a half excellent films, a smattering of decent ancillary material, and a universe of dogshiat.
 
2020-06-30 1:46:37 PM  

Brokenseas: Stratohead: Brokenseas: Moopy Mac: The last two movies were not good. They were bad.


I really liked the first 2/3s of The Force Awakens.  Good action, good introduction to new characters, sure the tentacle monster fight scene was goofy but whatever.

Once Rey got captured and the new Death Star Firing Across The Universe happened the movie went to shiat.  And the sequels never recovered.


pkjun: TLJ is the only good Star Wars movie.

"Sir, the Rebels are slowly getting away!"

"Slowly follow them.  We will destroy them when they run out of gas!"


now in support of a stupid plotline for a moronic movie, we have to introduce "hyperspace fuel" so we can have a sense of faux drama... then they had to cement this by making this new "coaxium" macguffin the central plot of "Solo"...and they didn't just double down on stupid, they triple downed on it... they have decided that hyper space fuel is extremely rare, and dangerous, and only comes from the SAME planet that the popular and highly illegal drug "spice" comes from... only one planet? as the source of ALL hyperspace fuel...for a civilization that spans thousands of planets, composed of trillions of beings, over several millennia?
yeah....THAT makes zero sense.


I thought that was a fun nod to the Dune books.  Star Wars has always been heavily indebted to and influenced by Dune:

Desert Planet Arrakis = Desert Planet Tatooine
Paul Atreides = Luke Skywalker
Baron Harkonnen =  Darth Vader
Duncan Idaho = Han Solo
Gurney Halleck = Obi Wan
Princess Alia = Princess Leia
The Evil Emperor = The Evil Emperor
Imperial Saudaukar = Imperial Stormtroopers
Bene Gasserit = Jedi Knights
Knife fighting = Lightsaber fighting
Obi Wan uses The Voice on the stormtroopers

Spice from Arrakis is needed for interstellar travel = fuel from a planet with a nickname Spice is needed for interstellar travel.


Not bad, but you may want to watch Kurosawa's 'The Hidden Fortress'.

On another note, that "Overlord DVD" fool, "Nerdcrotic" and similar channels on YT are horrifyingly anti-woman, who probably preferred their Star Wars when it was one woman in the entire galaxy, that by the third movie in the series her role was so reduced, that they had her in a farking metal bikini for a large part of the movie, and then had to be rescued by farking teddy bears. I didn't even bother to see their thoughts on 'Rogue One' or the latest trilogy. They're probably filled with so much hatred and bile that it makes them unwatchable.

'A New Hope' Leia is best Leia. She wasn't too bad in 'Empire', but she was starting to get reduced to love interest.
 
2020-06-30 1:46:55 PM  
I'll wait for Darths and Droids to finish their version(s), and consider those the real ones.

/Pete playing Rey will definitely be interesting
 
2020-06-30 1:47:02 PM  

Brokenseas: Bootleg:

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.


The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.  And tie fighters were effective in attacking later on, blasting Leia out into space.  But then the commander says "pull the tie fighters back"  Why?  Swarm them with tie fighters!  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.

The first Star Wars movies were so great because of how freaking competent Vader was.  He was the best pilot out there, killing fools outside the Death Star.  He was one step ahead of everyone on Cloud City.  Everyone watching those movies were like "what's it going to take to beat this guy?"  In the sequels, the bad guys were bumbling idiots who f*ck up all the time and used for comedy.  That doesn't make for a satisfying space war movie.


You forget, that huge First Order fleet sent a whopping THREE TIE fighters to cripple the Resistance (and blow the bridge crew out the window). So, instead of a 70 minute chase, maybe send the other 500+ TIE fighters out there? I just can't turn off my brain that much.
 
2020-06-30 1:48:18 PM  

Brokenseas: In the sequels, the bad guys were bumbling idiots who f*ck up all the time and used for comedy.


Uh Oh, Spaghettios!
 
2020-06-30 1:48:54 PM  
Also, redoing the sequel trilogy isn't gonna happen. Ford won't do it and Fisher is dead.

If anything is gonna happen outside of more one-offs it will be rebooting the entire Skywalker series with an all new cast from the start. Do they go in sequence or stick to the original release order?
 
2020-06-30 1:51:36 PM  
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2020-06-30 1:55:12 PM  

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"You can't destroy Infinity Stones!"

oh wait.

And Marvel says they are truly gone now, no "reconstitute them from their constitute atoms" tricks.


Eh, good. There's enough "Oh, this thing that happened didn't happen now" in comics and comic-related things already
 
2020-06-30 1:56:18 PM  

Bootleg: dv-ous: TDWCom29: iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good until they listened to the butthurt fanbois

Slight edit

Pretty much.

VII was "Hey, here's IV with more CGI - can't say it's like the Prequels!"
VIII was "Here's some new characters, plot ideas, and an indication of where we'd like the universe to go!"
IX was "OMG we're so sorry for VIII, here's episode VI again with more CGI and numerous references to how terrible VIII was."

J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.

Why, do you like under-cooked cinnamon rolls?


The flares from the sugar crystals would blind anyone going into the shop.
 
2020-06-30 1:59:34 PM  

Brokenseas: Bootleg:

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.


The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.  And tie fighters were effective in attacking later on, blasting Leia out into space.  But then the commander says "pull the tie fighters back"  Why?  Swarm them with tie fighters!  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.

The first Star Wars movies were so great because of how freaking competent Vader was.  He was the best pilot out there, killing fools outside the Death Star.  He was one step ahead of everyone on Cloud City.  Everyone watching those movies were like "what's it going to take to beat this guy?"  In the sequels, the bad guys were bumbling idiots who f*ck up all the time and used for comedy.  That doesn't make for a satisfying space war movie.


Counterpoint: Outside of Vader and the Emperor (And questions about the Emperor and his fixations on super-weapons), the Empire seems to go between "Basically Competent" and "Hilariously Inept". Vader left a unit of Storm Troopers on Tatooine to look for the super important plans and then farked off back to the Death Star (Or was recalled) and never read the reports they should have been sending. The Storm Troopers had a handful checking vehicles coming into Mos Eisley for droids, but not data. Even your example with the Death Star works: They countered two squadrons with three fighters. Three out of the hundreds something like the Death Star must carry. And that's just A New Hope.
 
2020-06-30 2:01:15 PM  
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Yeah. According to THIS guy.

Really. Really Really.

Your Site Sux.
 
2020-06-30 2:02:23 PM  
Yeah, that's not going to happen.

It's just the wet dream of some nerd.
 
2020-06-30 2:02:33 PM  

dv-ous: J. J. Abrams should be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.


If you like over-rated cinnamon rolls made with pastiches & ingredients that others have used (and used them better at that).
 
2020-06-30 2:03:18 PM  
Did anyone bother reading all of that hyperventilating fanfic garbage? This dork clearly has no idea how franchise reboots really work. The studio just waits a few years, then puts out a new movie that ignores some or all of the previous ones. If Disney really wanted to erase the last trilogy, they'd just make a public announcement that those movies don't count anymore and then they'd carry on like they didn't happen. Nobody needed a convoluted Jedi magic bullshiat explanation to explain why the EU wasn't official canon, and the hardcore fans were way more invested in that junk than the Abrams/Johnson junk.

If Michael Myers could talk, he could share some stories about how full and partial reboots actually work.
 
2020-06-30 2:06:56 PM  

Bootleg: Brokenseas: Bootleg:

Joking aside, yes, they should have. (Fan-wankery ahoy!) But then it also doesn't look like they have a tanker or anything to bring up a ton of fuel from the base, and it's unclear if their capital ships can land. The situation could have been better explained in the movie, maybe instead of the bombers dropping bombs in space.


The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.  And tie fighters were effective in attacking later on, blasting Leia out into space.  But then the commander says "pull the tie fighters back"  Why?  Swarm them with tie fighters!  Just because the plot of the movie demanded it.

The first Star Wars movies were so great because of how freaking competent Vader was.  He was the best pilot out there, killing fools outside the Death Star.  He was one step ahead of everyone on Cloud City.  Everyone watching those movies were like "what's it going to take to beat this guy?"  In the sequels, the bad guys were bumbling idiots who f*ck up all the time and used for comedy.  That doesn't make for a satisfying space war movie.

Counterpoint: Outside of Vader and the Emperor (And questions about the Emperor and his fixations on super-weapons), the Empire seems to go between "Basically Competent" and "Hilariously Inept". Vader left a unit of Storm Troopers on Tatooine to look for the super important plans and then farked off back to the Death Star (Or was recalled) and never read the reports they should have been sending. The Storm Troopers had a handful checking vehicles coming into Mos Eisley for droids, but not data. Even your example with the Death Star works: They countered two squadrons with three fighters. Three out of the hundreds something like the Death Star must carry. And that's just A New Hope.


When the Falcon is captured by the Death Star they mention it matches the reports of a ship that blasted out of Mos Eisley.

and they don't only send out three TIEs to defend the Death Star, Vader goss out with two wingmen to tip the balance of the ongoing conflict
 
2020-06-30 2:07:20 PM  
The new Trilogy is awesome.

Doomcock is a liar.

Anyone who believes him is an idiot.

You're welcome.
 
2020-06-30 2:08:44 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: The Star Wars franchise is two and a half excellent films, a smattering of decent ancillary material, and a universe of dogshiat.


aaaannnd...we are done here.
( I would add the Mandalorian is as one of the good things now however
 
2020-06-30 2:10:18 PM  
The problem isn't each movie (or any of them). It's all of them. If they would have had the same vision/style/plot it would have been better and probably pretty good to even great.

I would much rather have seen a JJ Abrams trilogy or a Rian Johnson trilogy. Instead we got a jarring mishmash of them.
 
2020-06-30 2:12:56 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: The Star Wars franchise is two and a half excellent films, a smattering of decent ancillary material, and a universe of dogshiat.


I might disagree on the specific numbers (I would put it at closer to 4, 2 of which were complete films), but you are right in spirit.
 
2020-06-30 2:14:21 PM  

Brokenseas: The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?


I thought that was kind of the point, the First Order are Neo Imperials and like real world Neo Nazis they are a pathetic incompetent shadow of the original. General Hux being a petulant manchild who cared more about Ben losing than the First Order winning was one of the more memorable scenes from that movie.
 
2020-06-30 2:23:42 PM  
My desire for additional Star Wars content was thoroughly crushed after Ep8.

like...as a consumer, my demand just flattened to zero. The inner eight year old that was obsessed with Star Wars died. Never did see Ep 9.

There's a lot of reasons people don't like these movies, and lots of culture wars being fought over it. As is however, I just can't bring myself to care about the franchise at all anymore.
 
2020-06-30 2:30:07 PM  

PlaidJaguar: When the Falcon is captured by the Death Star they mention it matches the reports of a ship that blasted out of Mos Eisley.


Right, no, that's my bad, I forgot release dates when thinking about the timelines. In universe, you'd think Vader might be interested that the Storm Troopers raided his Half-brother's farm looking for a droid in the presence of a "Luke Skywalker", or that the droids are a C-3P0 unit and an R2-D2 unit, but in release dates none of that matters yet.

and they don't only send out three TIEs to defend the Death Star, Vader goss out with two wingmen to tip the balance of the ongoing conflict

Watched the scene again, and you're right, they sent out 6, then Vader went out with his wingmen (From what I saw, though I don't know why they wouldn't show more if there were more). Still, why only send 6 (Or 9) fighters instead of 60?
 
2020-06-30 2:33:18 PM  
Cosmic Book News has, and will always, be full of shiat.
 
2020-06-30 2:34:34 PM  

Anenu: Brokenseas: The more annoying thing from TLJ for me was how bumbling and incompetent the First Order leadership was.  They had no tie fighters scrambled to protect their capital ships at the beginning of the movie?  When the rebel bombers were moving into position they just shouted "where are the tie fighters"?

I thought that was kind of the point, the First Order are Neo Imperials and like real world Neo Nazis they are a pathetic incompetent shadow of the original. General Hux being a petulant manchild who cared more about Ben losing than the First Order winning was one of the more memorable scenes from that movie.



That may be the case, but if your antagonists are incompetent, then there's no stakes, and that's just plain bad writing.
 
2020-06-30 2:41:07 PM  

zbtop: My desire for additional Star Wars content was thoroughly crushed after Ep8.

like...as a consumer, my demand just flattened to zero. The inner eight year old that was obsessed with Star Wars died. Never did see Ep 9.

There's a lot of reasons people don't like these movies, and lots of culture wars being fought over it. As is however, I just can't bring myself to care about the franchise at all anymore.


The ultimate problem is that Disney didn't care that much. They wanted the highly marketable brand name and the toy rights, but there was no grand vision beyond that. It was a revival dictated by accountants who smelled more money instead of creatives who wanted more Star Wars.

The Mandalorian seems to have finally opened their eyes to the reality that they need inspired writers and directors who actually like the material and have a longterm story plan, but in typical corporate fashion, they didn't figure that out by comparing the narrative quality of Favreau's show against Abrams and Johnson's haphazard round robin tug of war. They finally got the message when TLJ and ROS toys didn't sell but demand for Baby Yoda anything shot through the roof.

It's too bad the Clone Wars toyline wasn't a runaway success, or they might have figured it out a lot sooner.
 
2020-06-30 2:51:59 PM  

RyansPrivates: The problem isn't each movie (or any of them). It's all of them. If they would have had the same vision/style/plot it would have been better and probably pretty good to even great.

I would much rather have seen a JJ Abrams trilogy or a Rian Johnson trilogy. Instead we got a jarring mishmash of them.


A Jar-Jar-ing mishmash of them.
 
2020-06-30 2:55:41 PM  

EdgeRunner: zbtop: My desire for additional Star Wars content was thoroughly crushed after Ep8.

like...as a consumer, my demand just flattened to zero. The inner eight year old that was obsessed with Star Wars died. Never did see Ep 9.

There's a lot of reasons people don't like these movies, and lots of culture wars being fought over it. As is however, I just can't bring myself to care about the franchise at all anymore.

The ultimate problem is that Disney didn't care that much. They wanted the highly marketable brand name and the toy rights, but there was no grand vision beyond that. It was a revival dictated by accountants who smelled more money instead of creatives who wanted more Star Wars.

The Mandalorian seems to have finally opened their eyes to the reality that they need inspired writers and directors who actually like the material and have a longterm story plan, but in typical corporate fashion, they didn't figure that out by comparing the narrative quality of Favreau's show against Abrams and Johnson's haphazard round robin tug of war. They finally got the message when TLJ and ROS toys didn't sell but demand for Baby Yoda anything shot through the roof.

It's too bad the Clone Wars toyline wasn't a runaway success, or they might have figured it out a lot sooner.


Clone wars is fantastic, the problem is that it was always seen as a "ancillary" property because it was animation on a "kids channel".  It's also the reason DC movies suck, but the animation was killing it. When you see animation as a second tier, you don't care that the quality is spectacular because your own small definition it isn't "mass marketable".
 
2020-06-30 3:03:52 PM  

RyansPrivates: Clone wars is fantastic, the problem is that it was always seen as a "ancillary" property because it was animation on a "kids channel". It's also the reason DC movies suck, but the animation was killing it. When you see animation as a second tier, you don't care that the quality is spectacular because your own small definition it isn't "mass marketable".


The failure to mass market something always falls on the license holders for failing to recognize what they've got. There's another Suicide Squad movie on the way, and of course they're going to rub everyone's faces in it and try to hype up sales for whatever tie-in merch they create. But if they distributed the new Harley Quinn series better and showed it more love, don't you think a figure line for that property would easily outsell whatever junk the SS movie might offer?
 
2020-06-30 3:08:04 PM  

EdgeRunner: RyansPrivates: Clone wars is fantastic, the problem is that it was always seen as a "ancillary" property because it was animation on a "kids channel". It's also the reason DC movies suck, but the animation was killing it. When you see animation as a second tier, you don't care that the quality is spectacular because your own small definition it isn't "mass marketable".

The failure to mass market something always falls on the license holders for failing to recognize what they've got. There's another Suicide Squad movie on the way, and of course they're going to rub everyone's faces in it and try to hype up sales for whatever tie-in merch they create. But if they distributed the new Harley Quinn series better and showed it more love, don't you think a figure line for that property would easily outsell whatever junk the SS movie might offer?


Preaching to the choir, pal.

/The best Suicide Squad portrayal was the "Task Force X" episode of  JLU.
 
2020-06-30 3:12:56 PM  

RyansPrivates: EdgeRunner: RyansPrivates: Clone wars is fantastic, the problem is that it was always seen as a "ancillary" property because it was animation on a "kids channel". It's also the reason DC movies suck, but the animation was killing it. When you see animation as a second tier, you don't care that the quality is spectacular because your own small definition it isn't "mass marketable".

The failure to mass market something always falls on the license holders for failing to recognize what they've got. There's another Suicide Squad movie on the way, and of course they're going to rub everyone's faces in it and try to hype up sales for whatever tie-in merch they create. But if they distributed the new Harley Quinn series better and showed it more love, don't you think a figure line for that property would easily outsell whatever junk the SS movie might offer?

Preaching to the choir, pal.

/The best Suicide Squad portrayal was the "Task Force X" episode of  JLU.


I'll have to check that out. Would you rate it even better than Assault on Arkham? Because that was pretty damn good and everything the movie should have been, minus all the pandering implied nudity. (I'll grant the bedroom scene with Harley and Deadshot played directly into the plot, but everything after that was just needless fan service.)
 
wee
2020-06-30 3:13:30 PM  
Fisher is dead and Harrison would never come back. He wanted his character dead in Empire Strikes Back (which is why they introduced Lando). So good luck with the rebooting things rumor.

And yes, the last two movies were only marginally better than the prequels, but they are what they are and they exist.
 
2020-06-30 3:17:53 PM  
Step 1: Fire Kathleen Kennedy from LucasFilm
Step 2: ....
Step 3: Make better movies
Step 4: Profit
 
2020-06-30 3:18:26 PM  

EdgeRunner: RyansPrivates: EdgeRunner: RyansPrivates: Clone wars is fantastic, the problem is that it was always seen as a "ancillary" property because it was animation on a "kids channel". It's also the reason DC movies suck, but the animation was killing it. When you see animation as a second tier, you don't care that the quality is spectacular because your own small definition it isn't "mass marketable".

The failure to mass market something always falls on the license holders for failing to recognize what they've got. There's another Suicide Squad movie on the way, and of course they're going to rub everyone's faces in it and try to hype up sales for whatever tie-in merch they create. But if they distributed the new Harley Quinn series better and showed it more love, don't you think a figure line for that property would easily outsell whatever junk the SS movie might offer?

Preaching to the choir, pal.

/The best Suicide Squad portrayal was the "Task Force X" episode of  JLU.

I'll have to check that out. Would you rate it even better than Assault on Arkham? Because that was pretty damn good and everything the movie should have been, minus all the pandering implied nudity. (I'll grant the bedroom scene with Harley and Deadshot played directly into the plot, but everything after that was just needless fan service.)


Well, if you go in understanding that it is mostly "b" players (Clock King, Captain Boomerang, Deadshot, Plastique, and Rick Flagg), and thus no Joker or Harley, it is a fun story on the merits. It is part of a larger narrative that season about Cadmus and the opposition to the Justice League, I would recommend at least being familiar with that.
 
2020-06-30 3:21:34 PM  
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2020-06-30 3:24:48 PM  

wee: Fisher is dead and Harrison would never come back. He wanted his character dead in Empire Strikes Back (which is why they introduced Lando). So good luck with the rebooting things rumor.

And yes, the last two movies were only marginally better than the prequels, but they are what they are and they exist.


They're also three more movies that Disney can continue to sell now and forever in various formats, and a box set of 9 Palpatine Saga movies carries a higher price tag than sets of 3. (They can keep insisting it's the "Skywalker Saga", but they totally whiffed that. It's the Palpatine Saga now.) They were never going to handwave away the prequels for the same reason. "Official canon" equals "anything Disney can still wring some coins out of".
 
2020-06-30 3:35:28 PM  

sid244: Step 1: Fire Kathleen Kennedy from LucasFilm
Step 2: ....
Step 3: Make better movies
Step 4: Profit


Suggestion for step 2:

Hire George Lucas as story consultant and nothing else. Don't let him write a script or direct.

The prequels sucked, but not because of the the story arc, they sucked because George Lucas can't direct, write dialog, or even edit himself.
 
2020-06-30 3:50:48 PM  
There was a bad Star Wars movie?  First I've heard of it...
 
2020-06-30 4:03:10 PM  
Holy shiat, Fark, can we PLEASE NOT LINK TO COSMICBOOKNEWS. It's literally the farking InfoWars of geek websites, a site that makes even We Got This Covered look credible, run by an agenda-driven asshole who routinely MAKES SHIAT UP in order to push his agenda, a guy who had a bug so far up his arse about Brie Larson they were crawling back out of his mouth, who pushes inane geek conspiracy nonsense on a regular basis, and on and on and on.

I don't even need to look at this (and won't give him a click) to guess it's part of his ongoing narrative that SJWs are ruining Star Wars and Disney is worried and blah blah blah. He's been spewing that shiat for years.

Can we PLEASE not give this asshole any traffic?
 
2020-06-30 4:05:15 PM  

RyansPrivates: The problem isn't each movie (or any of them). It's all of them. If they would have had the same vision/style/plot it would have been better and probably pretty good to even great.

I would much rather have seen a JJ Abrams trilogy or a Rian Johnson trilogy. Instead we got a jarring mishmash of them.


I'm of the mind that they did have a plan through the first two movies, but the very loud minority's reaction to TLJ spooked them into audibling.
 
2020-06-30 4:05:57 PM  

shoegaze99: Holy shiat, Fark, can we PLEASE NOT LINK TO COSMICBOOKNEWS. It's literally the farking InfoWars of geek websites, a site that makes even We Got This Covered look credible, run by an agenda-driven asshole who routinely MAKES SHIAT UP in order to push his agenda, a guy who had a bug so far up his arse about Brie Larson they were crawling back out of his mouth, who pushes inane geek conspiracy nonsense on a regular basis, and on and on and on.

I don't even need to look at this (and won't give him a click) to guess it's part of his ongoing narrative that SJWs are ruining Star Wars and Disney is worried and blah blah blah. He's been spewing that shiat for years.

Can we PLEASE not give this asshole any traffic?


What's his Fark handle?
 
2020-06-30 4:12:52 PM  

Bootleg: PlaidJaguar: When the Falcon is captured by the Death Star they mention it matches the reports of a ship that blasted out of Mos Eisley.

Right, no, that's my bad, I forgot release dates when thinking about the timelines. In universe, you'd think Vader might be interested that the Storm Troopers raided his Half-brother's farm looking for a droid in the presence of a "Luke Skywalker", or that the droids are a C-3P0 unit and an R2-D2 unit, but in release dates none of that matters yet.

and they don't only send out three TIEs to defend the Death Star, Vader goss out with two wingmen to tip the balance of the ongoing conflict

Watched the scene again, and you're right, they sent out 6, then Vader went out with his wingmen (From what I saw, though I don't know why they wouldn't show more if there were more). Still, why only send 6 (Or 9) fighters instead of 60?


They showed six onscreen because the CGI needed to copy and paste 50 fighters into the scene didn't exist in 1977.
 
2020-06-30 4:30:57 PM  

akula: Geez, that's an even dumber plan than what they went with for Ep 7-9.


Anakin's mom didn't actually die on Tatooine. She's been the real power of the Sith all along!
 
2020-06-30 5:22:58 PM  
First of all, I loved all the new characters. I loved all the actors. I had no issues with what they did. Only stupid people would remove characters that inspired a new generation.

My only two issue was what happened to the Original Characters and that Disney had no overreaching damned plot.

Lucas had a vague outline for the original trilogy. This allowed him enough room to make changes mid-production and still come out as structured.

The prequels had a definite story structure, which fit into the over all structure of a Saga.  Quality issues aside, the over all plot and themes meshed very well.

Disney should have just started their own new saga with an episode 1. Or have the first movie a last hurrah in glory for the Original Characters and hand off the saga to the next generation.

The saddest part of all this: Lucas had entrusted Disney with Star Wars for safe keeping. He should have just made Star Wars Public domain....
 
2020-06-30 5:23:25 PM  

EdgeRunner: They can keep insisting it's the "Skywalker Saga", but they totally whiffed that. It's the Palpatine Saga now.


I guess a summary of "The Skywalker Saga" goes: The Skywalkers rise and fall and rise again to defeat an empire...then they went away and allowed things to get worse than before until a non-Skywalker showed up out of nowhere and fixed it...then decided she wanted to be called Skywalker.
 
2020-06-30 5:29:06 PM  
Also: Kathleen Kennedy contract is up soon. Disney has unofficially sidelined her by saying no more Star Wars movie for a while.

Kennedy made enough money that Disney  can't fire can her, but the movie IP is damaged and needs time to recover.
 
Ant
2020-06-30 5:32:58 PM  

iheartscotch: I thought that the new trilogy was good.


Same here. Then again, I don't worship the original trilogy like some people seem to do.
 
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