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2020-06-30 10:13:13 AM  
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2020-06-30 10:17:28 AM  
Good news for Montana madrassas, I guess.
 
2020-06-30 10:17:41 AM  
I'm forming the church of lap dances. Whose in and where's my federal money?
 
2020-06-30 10:17:57 AM  
From Twitter thread:

"The Roberts giveth and the Roberts taketh away"
 
2020-06-30 10:19:05 AM  
And separation of church and state has been completely buried.
 
2020-06-30 10:19:15 AM  
Nice to have it confirmed that the constitution is as meaningless as every other legislation and regulation that exists.

We do not live under the rule of law, we live.under the rule of.right wing assholes get to do whatever they want and everyone else gets tortured or murdered by the state if they step out off line - or just for shiats and giggles when the enforcers are bored.
 
2020-06-30 10:19:33 AM  
When the state is full of people who care deeply for the church, there can not be a separation of church and state.
 
2020-06-30 10:19:52 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: I'm forming the church of lap dances. Whose in and where's my federal money?


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2020-06-30 10:19:57 AM  
I'm gonna start my own religious school! With blackjack! And hookers!
 
2020-06-30 10:20:12 AM  
"Religious teaching" is a contradiction in terms.
 
2020-06-30 10:21:08 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: I'm forming the church of lap dances. Whose in and where's my federal money?


The funds are disbursed in singles.
 
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2020-06-30 10:21:27 AM  
I want to start a pastafarian school
 
2020-06-30 10:21:41 AM  
Okay, Satanists, once more we need you to step up.
 
2020-06-30 10:21:51 AM  
Meh, I don't really have a problem with this as long as it's not going to actual religious education, which historically it has not.  States can mitigate some of the potentially negative effects of religious education (like evolution, sex ed, etc.) by requiring every student passes standardized tests before being awarded a diploma.
 
2020-06-30 10:22:03 AM  
So I can get a trademark on myshrialaw.com and get a tax break too? Nice?
 
2020-06-30 10:22:04 AM  
I'd just abolish private schools altogether.

Or strip all government funding from them.
 
2020-06-30 10:22:09 AM  
So American conservatives are in support of publicly funded madrasas now. I wonder if they realize it yet.
 
2020-06-30 10:22:09 AM  
I hear that if you commit suicide, you go to space heaven.
 
2020-06-30 10:22:11 AM  
I suppose they're right. If you're going to give public money to private schools you can't discriminate against the kinds of private schools.

Stop giving public money to private schools.

Full stop.
 
2020-06-30 10:22:18 AM  
Reminds me of this episode of South Park I saw recently.

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2020-06-30 10:22:20 AM  

ColdFusion: "Religious teaching" is a contradiction in terms.


Offer not valid for Jesuits
 
2020-06-30 10:22:22 AM  

Rambino: From Twitter thread:

"The Roberts giveth and the Roberts taketh away"


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2020-06-30 10:22:31 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: I'm forming the church of lap dances. Whose in and where's my federal money?


Quick question: will you be demonstrating the lap dances?
 
2020-06-30 10:22:38 AM  
On a more serious note, 5-4 decisions make me sad. I long for the vaguely more consensusy times of Rehnquist.

/but gotta admit that Roberts is a good lawyer and IMO doing a pretty good job under shiatty circumstances
 
2020-06-30 10:23:09 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: I'm forming the church of lap dances. Whose in and where's my federal money?


In reading the first few pages of the ruling. It seems the state can restrict scholarships going to teach religion (such as seminary) , but they can't restrict scholarships going to a school that meets the basic standards but happens to be a religious institution.  Personally I'm ok with religious schools being put on the same standard as for profit schools as long as they have to hold to the same standards.
 
2020-06-30 10:23:38 AM  

ColdFusion: "Religious teaching" is a contradiction in terms.


"To teach" merely means "to transmit information". The information need not be true.

Also, f*ck the godbotherers.
 
2020-06-30 10:24:01 AM  
I swear I need to start a church with the goal of 'Ending abortion' then going door to door asking for donations.

If rubes are going to insist on being fleeced, I may as well get my own engraved golden shears.

All donations go to Planned Parenthood. The organization that helps with actual family planning, gives out condoms and sex education materials, and *actually* reduces abortion rates.

(Of course my salary as CEO of this church is $500,000 annual plus gifts, but the rest goes to PP)
 
2020-06-30 10:24:08 AM  
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"I should start a religion."
 
2020-06-30 10:24:39 AM  

Rambino: On a more serious note, 5-4 decisions make me sad. I long for the vaguely more consensusy times of Rehnquist.

/but gotta admit that Roberts is a good lawyer and IMO doing a pretty good job under shiatty circumstances


The Roberts court gave us the Citizens United decision.
 
2020-06-30 10:24:39 AM  

fruitloop: Rambino: From Twitter thread:

"The Roberts giveth and the Roberts taketh away"

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Why do people pretend to think that the Supreme court cares about precedent? Or why they should care about it.

If the precedent is so strong and so right, it mostly won't make it to the Supreme court anyway.
 
2020-06-30 10:26:16 AM  

ColdFusion: "Religious teaching" is a contradiction in terms.


I disagree. You can teach anything you want, just look at Trump "University".

Religious logic however...
 
2020-06-30 10:26:28 AM  

MindStalker: Peter von Nostrand: I'm forming the church of lap dances. Whose in and where's my federal money?

In reading the first few pages of the ruling. It seems the state can restrict scholarships going to teach religion (such as seminary) , but they can't restrict scholarships going to a school that meets the basic standards but happens to be a religious institution.  Personally I'm ok with religious schools being put on the same standard as for profit schools as long as they have to hold to the same standards.


You know that's not gonna happen.
 
2020-06-30 10:26:30 AM  

Tomahawk513: Meh, I don't really have a problem with this as long as it's not going to actual religious education, which historically it has not.  States can mitigate some of the potentially negative effects of religious education (like evolution, sex ed, etc.) by requiring every student passes standardized tests before being awarded a diploma.


Just change the college entrance exams to ask,

"How old is the planet earth."

A: Aprrox 4.54 Billion years old
B: Approx 6000 years old

If they chose anything but A; they don't get into college, ever.
 
2020-06-30 10:26:55 AM  

MindStalker: Peter von Nostrand: I'm forming the church of lap dances. Whose in and where's my federal money?

In reading the first few pages of the ruling. It seems the state can restrict scholarships going to teach religion (such as seminary) , but they can't restrict scholarships going to a school that meets the basic standards but happens to be a religious institution.  Personally I'm ok with religious schools being put on the same standard as for profit schools as long as they have to hold to the same standards.


Me too, and I'm a dyed in the wool atheist. Catholic school ensured that.
 
2020-06-30 10:26:59 AM  

drayno76: Tomahawk513: Meh, I don't really have a problem with this as long as it's not going to actual religious education, which historically it has not.  States can mitigate some of the potentially negative effects of religious education (like evolution, sex ed, etc.) by requiring every student passes standardized tests before being awarded a diploma.

Just change the college entrance exams to ask,

"How old is the planet earth."

A: Aprrox 4.54 Billion years old
B: Approx 6000 years old

If they chose anything but A; they don't get into college, ever.


I meant B. Typo.
 
2020-06-30 10:27:52 AM  

Gubbo: fruitloop: Rambino: From Twitter thread:

"The Roberts giveth and the Roberts taketh away"

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Why do people pretend to think that the Supreme court cares about precedent? Or why they should care about it.

If the precedent is so strong and so right, it mostly won't make it to the Supreme court anyway.


That's... kind of the point.  Precedent is important so lower courts know how to rule and their cases are only heard by SCOTUS if the case isn't covered not covered appropriately in the current SCOTUS's view by precedent.  If precedent didn't matter, our system falls apart because the lower courts have no idea how SCOTUS will rule.  Instead of consistency of law there is chaos.
 
2020-06-30 10:28:47 AM  

Tomahawk513: Meh, I don't really have a problem with this as long as it's not going to actual religious education, which historically it has not.  States can mitigate some of the potentially negative effects of religious education (like evolution, sex ed, etc.) by requiring every student passes standardized tests before being awarded a diploma.


Money is fungible dude
 
2020-06-30 10:29:02 AM  

fruitloop: Rambino: From Twitter thread:

"The Roberts giveth and the Roberts taketh away"

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*Groan*

Bad, oversimplified history isn't going to help us although I notice people like to fall back on it to support their position. The history of the separation of church and state in this country is immensely complicated and doesn't boil down to a simple principle that goes back to before the founding.

We should not like this ruling because it is contrary to the current interpretation of the first amendment and contrary to how most of us would like our country to work, not because some assholes 250 years ago supposedly believed something (which they didn't even by and large believe).
 
2020-06-30 10:29:09 AM  

Rambino: On a more serious note, 5-4 decisions make me sad. I long for the vaguely more consensusy times of Rehnquist.

/but gotta admit that Roberts is a good lawyer and IMO doing a pretty good job under shiatty circumstances


Could you imagine a 9-0 decision on Trump's taxes having to be turned over?
 
2020-06-30 10:29:27 AM  

awruk!: ColdFusion: "Religious teaching" is a contradiction in terms.

I disagree. You can teach anything you want, just look at Trump "University".

Religious logic however...


Without colleges and schools founded by religion in this country... there probably never would have been public schools.

Public schools for the most part here were motivated by Protestants that were afraid of Catholic schools taking over the country.
 
2020-06-30 10:29:31 AM  

Tomahawk513: Meh, I don't really have a problem with this as long as it's not going to actual religious education, which historically it has not.  States can mitigate some of the potentially negative effects of religious education (like evolution, sex ed, etc.) by requiring every student passes standardized tests before being awarded a diploma.


Question one.

True or false
Humans evolved from primordial organisms over the course of billions of years.

End of exam.  Make sure you fill out your scantron sheet properly.
 
2020-06-30 10:29:38 AM  

Xai: I want to start a pastafarian school


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2020-06-30 10:30:23 AM  

Gubbo: I'd just abolish private schools altogether.

Or strip all government funding from them.


Private schools are government funded? But....but... but... It's SOCIALISM!
 
2020-06-30 10:30:47 AM  
Oh fun.

Look, I went to an expensive private Catholic school from Pre-K-12.

There are two reasons Catholic schools seem to produce better educations: 1. The nuns *will* force you to learn your shiat and since they can't beat you they will publicly shame you and gaslight you until you toe the line. 2. That, along with the ritual beliefs creates a breeding ground for sociopaths and your best option is to stick your head in a book and get it over with.

Also, they'll drum your ass out in a heartbeat if you give then too much grief.

So, if you survive, you will either be somewhat educated or a horrible monster, and in many cases both  And being both is highly rewarded.

Abysmal decision.
 
2020-06-30 10:30:49 AM  

Nuc_E: Question one.

True or false
Humans evolved from primordial organisms over the course of billions of years.

End of exam.  Make sure you fill out your scantron sheet properly.


Making that true or false is an affront to science.
 
2020-06-30 10:31:17 AM  

Nuc_E: Tomahawk513: Meh, I don't really have a problem with this as long as it's not going to actual religious education, which historically it has not.  States can mitigate some of the potentially negative effects of religious education (like evolution, sex ed, etc.) by requiring every student passes standardized tests before being awarded a diploma.

Question one.

True or false
Humans evolved from primordial organisms over the course of billions of years.

End of exam.  Make sure you fill out your scantron sheet properly.


That doesn't seem like an unassailable barrier.  The religious school just teaches the test, and the loonies get in anyway.
 
2020-06-30 10:31:36 AM  
Religion ought to be studied, just like any infectious disease.
 
2020-06-30 10:31:52 AM  

drayno76: drayno76: Tomahawk513: Meh, I don't really have a problem with this as long as it's not going to actual religious education, which historically it has not.  States can mitigate some of the potentially negative effects of religious education (like evolution, sex ed, etc.) by requiring every student passes standardized tests before being awarded a diploma.

Just change the college entrance exams to ask,

"How old is the planet earth."

A: Aprrox 4.54 Billion years old
B: Approx 6000 years old

If they chose anything but A; they don't get into college, ever.

I meant B. Typo.


God's will!
 
2020-06-30 10:32:23 AM  

dwrash: awruk!: ColdFusion: "Religious teaching" is a contradiction in terms.

I disagree. You can teach anything you want, just look at Trump "University".

Religious logic however...

Without colleges and schools founded by religion in this country... there probably never would have been public schools.

Public schools for the most part here were motivated by Protestants that were afraid of Catholic schools taking over the country.


You live in weird country, my friend...
 
2020-06-30 10:33:15 AM  

wilshire: Tomahawk513: Meh, I don't really have a problem with this as long as it's not going to actual religious education, which historically it has not.  States can mitigate some of the potentially negative effects of religious education (like evolution, sex ed, etc.) by requiring every student passes standardized tests before being awarded a diploma.

Money is fungible dude


That's why schools, even public ones, have accountants.  To make sure money from certain pots is allocated appropriately in case they're ever audited.  If an organization gets $1000 from other sources and $9000 from the state, then spends $2000 buying bibles, it's gonna raise a flag with the state.  I went to Catholic school for 12 years, and each school meticulously accounted for each public dollar spent.
 
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