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(Mother Jones)   How long do you think Putin will wait to share the blackmail dirt after Trump loses the election in a landslide? 24 hours? Or will he wait until Trump no longer has access to launch nukes?   (motherjones.com) divider line
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2020-06-30 9:36:17 AM  
Putin holds money and possible criminal charges over Donnie. Donnie has been laundering money for Russians for a long time to stay afloat. Trump is a complete and udder failure in business, the same reason US banks labeled trump a bad credit risk in the 1990s is the reason Donnie started working with Russian criminals.
 
2020-06-30 10:14:12 AM  
Why would he burn him just because he's not President? Trump can still be useful as a shiat-stirring leader of millions as a private citizen, with Trump TV or whatever platform he has after he's out of office.

Also, lol if you think there will be any legal ramifications for Trump after all of this.
 
2020-06-30 10:14:56 AM  
Trump loves strong male confidence. He has serious daddy issues. He is hyper insecure.
 
2020-06-30 10:25:10 AM  
There's really nothing in it for Putin to "share the blackmail dirt" after Trump leaves office.   And it would only confirm that Putin blackmails people.  Why give the game away?
 
2020-06-30 10:25:28 AM  
I heard it's because Putin has video of Trump having a garbanzo bean on his face, or something like that.
 
2020-06-30 10:28:14 AM  

eurotrader: Putin holds money and possible criminal charges over Donnie. Donnie has been laundering money for Russians for a long time to stay afloat. Trump is a complete and udder failure in business, the same reason US banks labeled trump a bad credit risk in the 1990s is the reason Donnie started working with Russian criminals.


It's amazing that this isn't common knowledge.
 
2020-06-30 10:28:24 AM  
My guess is once Russian ownership of Cheetohlini as an asset is confirmed beyond plausible deniability  by solid evidence, and new sanctions or (sadly) more deployment against Russia occurs then Putin will spike that particular ball. He's as vain and petty as Trump, just more competent.

Let that be a warning.
 
2020-06-30 10:29:26 AM  

jayhawk88: Why would he burn him just because he's not President? Trump can still be useful as a shiat-stirring leader of millions as a private citizen, with Trump TV or whatever platform he has after he's out of office.

Also, lol if you think there will be any legal ramifications for Trump after all of this.


This. Trump remains an asset forever. His usefulness just expands in new ways.
 
2020-06-30 10:32:14 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jayhawk88: Why would he burn him just because he's not President? Trump can still be useful as a shiat-stirring leader of millions as a private citizen, with Trump TV or whatever platform he has after he's out of office.

Also, lol if you think there will be any legal ramifications for Trump after all of this.

This. Trump remains an asset forever. His usefulness just expands in new ways.


If the new administration prosecutes him and his entire family (I can't hold my breath but I can manage to keep a straight face now while typing this) that will reduce his influence even amongst Magats and thus his worth to Russia. Putin will burn him for lulz at that point. My guess.
 
2020-06-30 10:38:32 AM  

yohohogreengiant: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jayhawk88: Why would he burn him just because he's not President? Trump can still be useful as a shiat-stirring leader of millions as a private citizen, with Trump TV or whatever platform he has after he's out of office.

Also, lol if you think there will be any legal ramifications for Trump after all of this.

This. Trump remains an asset forever. His usefulness just expands in new ways.

If the new administration prosecutes him and his entire family (I can't hold my breath but I can manage to keep a straight face now while typing this) that will reduce his influence even amongst Magats and thus his worth to Russia. Putin will burn him for lulz at that point. My guess.


Democrats just barely had the balls to impeach him. There's no way they are going to attempt to prosecute him after he's out of office.

There's going to be a behind the scenes handshake deal: Leave quietly without any real fuss, and we will just let any and all investigations into things you or your family did go away. Which of course Trump will ignore, and immediately start screaming about a rigged election or whatever, but so long as it's just him yelling into the void, the Dems/rest of Washington/media will just be so glad to get back to Normalcy that everyone will collectively agree to act like the past 4 years never happened.
 
2020-06-30 10:41:17 AM  
What kind of head-in-the-clouds optimist expects Trump to lose?
 
2020-06-30 10:41:41 AM  

jayhawk88: yohohogreengiant: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jayhawk88: Why would he burn him just because he's not President? Trump can still be useful as a shiat-stirring leader of millions as a private citizen, with Trump TV or whatever platform he has after he's out of office.

Also, lol if you think there will be any legal ramifications for Trump after all of this.

This. Trump remains an asset forever. His usefulness just expands in new ways.

If the new administration prosecutes him and his entire family (I can't hold my breath but I can manage to keep a straight face now while typing this) that will reduce his influence even amongst Magats and thus his worth to Russia. Putin will burn him for lulz at that point. My guess.

Democrats just barely had the balls to impeach him. There's no way they are going to attempt to prosecute him after he's out of office.

There's going to be a behind the scenes handshake deal: Leave quietly without any real fuss, and we will just let any and all investigations into things you or your family did go away. Which of course Trump will ignore, and immediately start screaming about a rigged election or whatever, but so long as it's just him yelling into the void, the Dems/rest of Washington/media will just be so glad to get back to Normalcy that everyone will collectively agree to act like the past 4 years never happened.


If he loses the election badly, the Republicans will immediately begin the process of pretending that he wasn't one of them.  Fox News will be putting "D-NY" on chyrons with his name the day after the election returns are final.
 
2020-06-30 10:41:49 AM  
Putin would not pass up the chance to offer Trump clemency in Russia to show how he turned an American President.  Just like with Maria Butina, Russia does not punish their spies if they're caught as long as the spy remains loyal.
 
2020-06-30 10:41:56 AM  
We can't let the national Republicans who have enabled all of this to skate by once the hammer does come down. Motherfarkers should be branded with a scarlet "P" once everything comes to pass.
 
2020-06-30 10:42:33 AM  
If it exists i don't see Putin releasing it without a purpose or benefit.
 
2020-06-30 10:42:34 AM  
ex presidents are useful.
 
2020-06-30 10:43:53 AM  

yohohogreengiant: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jayhawk88: Why would he burn him just because he's not President? Trump can still be useful as a shiat-stirring leader of millions as a private citizen, with Trump TV or whatever platform he has after he's out of office.

Also, lol if you think there will be any legal ramifications for Trump after all of this.

This. Trump remains an asset forever. His usefulness just expands in new ways.

If the new administration prosecutes him and his entire family (I can't hold my breath but I can manage to keep a straight face now while typing this) that will reduce his influence even amongst Magats and thus his worth to Russia. Putin will burn him for lulz at that point. My guess.


The biggest failure of Obama's presidency was not going after the Bush Administration for war crimes. The precedent has been set. Trump will divorce Milania and parade around the country like a Racism Circus, collecting speaking fees and trying to change the narrative of his failed Presidency.
 
2020-06-30 10:44:19 AM  
Never in the history of the world has there been a more useful idiot than Trump
 
2020-06-30 10:44:34 AM  
Nothing. Narc on trump and he'll wind up bringing down the entire GOP. He's paid good money to buy more of those turds.
 
2020-06-30 10:44:39 AM  
For a long, long time.  Even as a disgraced ex president, Trump is still a powerful man, and an ex president.  That's a useful guy to keep in your back pocket.
 
2020-06-30 10:45:31 AM  

eurotrader: Putin holds money and possible criminal charges over Donnie. Donnie has been laundering money for Russians for a long time to stay afloat. Trump is a complete and udder failure in business, the same reason US banks labeled trump a bad credit risk in the 1990s is the reason Donnie started working with Russian criminals.


can't get legit funding because he's an idiot and a deadbeat.
can't get mafia money because he's an idiot, a deadbeat and can't keep his idiotic deadbeat mouth shut for five goddamned minutes.
now to fund his image, he's at the 'payday loan to parlay at the track' stage of being an idiot and a deadbeat only substitute 'payday loan' with 'Russian mob' and 'parlay at the track' with 'Russian government'

he's broke as a joke and will literally sacrifice the entire country to keep up the charade.
 
2020-06-30 10:45:35 AM  

eurotrader: Putin holds money and possible criminal charges over Donnie. Donnie has been laundering money for Russians for a long time to stay afloat. Trump is a complete and udder failure in business, the same reason US banks labeled trump a bad credit risk in the 1990s is the reason Donnie started working with Russian criminals.


*eye twitch*
 
2020-06-30 10:45:52 AM  
You all act like Putin owns only Trump and not half of the damn senate.
 
2020-06-30 10:46:05 AM  
Putin would be more likely to slip him a polonium hamberder.
 
2020-06-30 10:49:16 AM  

mainsail: Putin would be more likely to slip him a polonium hamberder.


Stop, I can only get so erect
 
2020-06-30 10:50:04 AM  
Just like the 'landslide' that didn't happen in 2016 when he won?

I won't be surprised if he wins again.
 
2020-06-30 10:50:09 AM  
Trump is nice to Putin because Trump still dreams of Moscow Trump Tower and Russians still hold a metric ton of Deadbeat Donnie's debts.

All roads lead back to Trump's wallet.
 
2020-06-30 10:50:13 AM  
If Trump's supporters dump him hard, I could see Putin throwing a match to Trump instead of bankrolling Trump's new hermit life.
 
2020-06-30 10:51:09 AM  
Putin loves the reveal. I think he slipped a tale of some poor compromant on national TV a few years back.  He's gotta go really big for this one.  Big numbers.  Give Trump what he's always wanted 100 percent of the tv market.
 
2020-06-30 10:51:10 AM  
It all depends on how useful Trump TV and Trump rallies can be for Russia after Trump leaves office.
 
2020-06-30 10:51:18 AM  
Keeping the knowledge of Trumps treachery secret would be very useful in twisting complicate GOP power-brokers in the fold.

Putin wouldn't reveal this for lulz.
 
2020-06-30 10:52:09 AM  

Subtonic: eurotrader: Putin holds money and possible criminal charges over Donnie. Donnie has been laundering money for Russians for a long time to stay afloat. Trump is a complete and udder failure in business, the same reason US banks labeled trump a bad credit risk in the 1990s is the reason Donnie started working with Russian criminals.

*eye twitch*


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2020-06-30 10:55:03 AM  

Hey Nurse!: Subtonic: eurotrader: Putin holds money and possible criminal charges over Donnie. Donnie has been laundering money for Russians for a long time to stay afloat. Trump is a complete and udder failure in business, the same reason US banks labeled trump a bad credit risk in the 1990s is the reason Donnie started working with Russian criminals.

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Did you hear about the cow that jumped the barbed wire fence? It was udder destruction!

And the cow with no legs? It was ground beef!

Did you hear the one where the cow ...Hey, stop shoving me!
 
2020-06-30 10:56:00 AM  
Should there come a time when releasing something he has on Trump would damage the U.S.'s standing in the world even more than Trump's already damaged it, then we'll see something from Putin. I'm not a Putin expert, but he doesn't really seem like a shiats 'n giggles kinda guy.
 
2020-06-30 10:56:54 AM  
Why waste an asset out of pettiness?
 
2020-06-30 10:59:55 AM  
In a normal master-puppet relationship, having an ex-president on the strings would be an excellent tool in the corruption kit.  That would require the ex-president to have some self-awareness of his role in this relationship, and stick with his part.
I don't think Putin cuts him off overtly.  I won't be surprised that Putin determines that he is no longer useful, is too unreliable to be controlled, and his agents leave a gift for the NY AG in the form of documents going back 25 years.  Mysteriously found in an abandoned storage facility, many of them matching and amplifying the graft already known.
Too much like a bad movie script?  The last five years have been a bad movie script.  But I think yes, Putin cuts him loose, and makes sure the lifeboat is sinking under him and his whole clan.
The more interesting situation will be Melania.  Assuming she divorces him after he's out, does she trade the whole truth about the marriage for a book deal and waive the pre-nup?  Or does she stay quiet, while others tell the rest of the story, and refuse to deny any of the allegations?
Looks like it could be interesting.  But it's got that idiot man-baby starring in the lead role, so, no.  It will be tragic without being captivating.
 
2020-06-30 11:04:09 AM  
Depends on what Putin values. Wouldn't be surprised if he despises Trump and looks forward to burning him.
Even if Trump has some use as an ex president, retires to Russia, etc. Putin may just really want to enjoy exposing Trump and showing the world how he pulled one over the US. If Trump manages to get elected again but democrats take over everything else I could see Putin burning him then as well. All depends on what he wants.
 
2020-06-30 11:05:49 AM  

Devolving_Spud: There's really nothing in it for Putin to "share the blackmail dirt" after Trump leaves office.   And it would only confirm that Putin blackmails people.  Why give the game away?


Yep.  The whole point of covert ops is that you don't announce them, even after you're done.  You don't "spike the ball" - not if you ever want to use the same trick again.
 
2020-06-30 11:08:33 AM  
If Putin burns Trump, then Putin's future blackmail ventures will be less likely to succeed.  If he isn't going to hold up his end of the bargain, why would a future-Trump make a deal with him?

The only way Putin releases the goods is if Trump turns on him and stops following orders.
 
2020-06-30 11:10:15 AM  

Brokenseas: If Putin burns Trump, then Putin's future blackmail ventures will be less likely to succeed.  If he isn't going to hold up his end of the bargain, why would a future-Trump make a deal with him?

The only way Putin releases the goods is if Trump turns on him and stops following orders.



By future-Trump I don't mean Two Scoops himself, I mean some other Western politician.
 
2020-06-30 11:13:05 AM  
Putin will do whatever harms the US the most. An information dump on the Orange Turd would harm him but would help the US as it would be the end of the Orange Turd, so Putin won't do that. Putin will let the Orange Turd be a divisive force until he wrecks this nation or we stop him.
 
2020-06-30 11:13:28 AM  

eurotrader: Putin holds money and possible criminal charges over Donnie. Donnie has been laundering money for Russians for a long time to stay afloat. Trump is a complete and udder failure in business, the same reason US banks labeled trump a bad credit risk in the 1990s is the reason Donnie started working with Russian criminals.


If this was really it, there would be a paper trail that couldn't be hidden. And, voters probably wouldn't care that much because it's a white collar crime.

I think it's a lot simpler: Trump has a thing for young women and paying for sex. My theory is that he's had sex with minors - either knowingly or unknowingly - that's the dirt Putin has, and Trump is terrified because a tape showing him having sex with a 14-year-old girl is one of the few scandals you cannot come back from even in America.
 
2020-06-30 11:14:48 AM  
I doubt anyone will see any major release of information that exposes putin's game. putin has way too much invested for that. Instead, watch for continuous little trickles of "leaked" info that simply confirms how blindingly clueless and incompetent and corrupt trump is.

/putin in fact doesn't have to reveal anything
//trump is perfectly capable of revealing himself
///you're welcome for that mental image
 
2020-06-30 11:15:17 AM  
AFAIK the ex presidents also receive the DPB, so I guess trump might be good for stuff. He'd also start reading the papers once he's out of office and brag about the details in his TV shows.
 
2020-06-30 11:18:38 AM  
A Question That Won't Go Away: Why Does Trump Love Putin So Much?

Because he loves strong arm dictators. This was covered years ago.
 
2020-06-30 11:22:11 AM  
I can has peeper tape now?
 
2020-06-30 11:24:01 AM  

thornhill: eurotrader: Putin holds money and possible criminal charges over Donnie. Donnie has been laundering money for Russians for a long time to stay afloat. Trump is a complete and udder failure in business, the same reason US banks labeled trump a bad credit risk in the 1990s is the reason Donnie started working with Russian criminals.

If this was really it, there would be a paper trail that couldn't be hidden. And, voters probably wouldn't care that much because it's a white collar crime.

I think it's a lot simpler: Trump has a thing for young women and paying for sex. My theory is that he's had sex with minors - either knowingly or unknowingly - that's the dirt Putin has, and Trump is terrified because a tape showing him having sex with a 14-year-old girl is one of the few scandals you cannot come back from even in America.


There is a paper trail that makes it pretty clear. It could be made crystal clear in a trial if SCOTUS orders Trump's business and bank records be turned over to investigators.
 
2020-06-30 11:27:33 AM  

thornhill: I think it's a lot simpler: Trump has a thing for young women and paying for sex. My theory is that he's had sex with minors - either knowingly or unknowingly - that's the dirt Putin has, and Trump is terrified because a tape showing him having sex with a 14-year-old girl is one of the few scandals you cannot come back from even in America.


Once he's out of office, "coming back" is moot. Other than Jimmy Carter, what ex-President in recent history has done anything significant? The beauty of releasing information like that is the chaos that will be sown when the loyal MAGAts have to come to terms with it. Do you think they'll disavow him? I highly doubt it.
 
2020-06-30 11:29:16 AM  

eurotrader: Putin holds money and possible criminal charges over Donnie. Donnie has been laundering money for Russians for a long time to stay afloat. Trump is a complete and udder failure in business, the same reason US banks labeled trump a bad credit risk in the 1990s is the reason Donnie started working with Russian criminals.


Now I have the mental image of one of those political cartoons: trump's a cow, all whithered and dried up, Putin on one side and David Duke on the other, yanking on his udders to get every last drop of capital out of the dried-up trump.
 
2020-06-30 11:33:29 AM  

yohohogreengiant: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: jayhawk88: Why would he burn him just because he's not President? Trump can still be useful as a shiat-stirring leader of millions as a private citizen, with Trump TV or whatever platform he has after he's out of office.

Also, lol if you think there will be any legal ramifications for Trump after all of this.

This. Trump remains an asset forever. His usefulness just expands in new ways.

If the new administration prosecutes him and his entire family (I can't hold my breath but I can manage to keep a straight face now while typing this) that will reduce his influence even amongst Magats and thus his worth to Russia. Putin will burn him for lulz at that point. My guess.


It depends on what the value is... if it's monetary, that's one thing. However, if it's sowing discord, or chaos, then a trial would be a boon. The country would be embroiled in litigation, and not recovering lost ground as global leaders.
 
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