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(Columbus Dispatch)   Cloth masks will dangerously reduce oxygen levels, masks don't work, and other idiotic myths dispelled   (dispatch.com) divider line
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2020-06-30 10:07:29 AM  
I admit, I have a tough time yawning in a mask.  I'm still wearing my farking mask though.
 
2020-06-30 10:43:48 AM  
Since this whole seemingly never-ending pandemic situation has me teetering on the abyss of severe depression, I've been going out of my way to find any positives I can.  One of the upsides of wearing masks is that I haven't had any allergy symptoms.  I only realized this when I went to the country last weekend and was able to walk around maskless and had had a massive allergy attack.   I then remembered that usually by this time of year, I've gone through a couple of gallons of Flonase, and I hadn't needed it at all so far this year.

So if anything, I've learned that wearing a mask alleviates my allergy symptoms better than medication does.

I have also learned that a large portion of our population is tantrum-throwing toddlers living in adult bodies.
 
2020-06-30 10:56:07 AM  

brap: Since this whole seemingly never-ending pandemic situation has me teetering on the abyss of severe depression, I've been going out of my way to find any positives I can.  One of the upsides of wearing masks is that I haven't had any allergy symptoms.  I only realized this when I went to the country last weekend and was able to walk around maskless and had had a massive allergy attack.   I then remembered that usually by this time of year, I've gone through a couple of gallons of Flonase, and I hadn't needed it at all so far this year.

So if anything, I've learned that wearing a mask alleviates my allergy symptoms better than medication does.

I have also learned that a large portion of our population is tantrum-throwing toddlers living in adult bodies.


I've noticed the same thing with allergies.
 
2020-06-30 12:04:43 PM  
It's just a mask

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2020-06-30 12:35:53 PM  
This is the best summary I have seen so far:
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Wear a mask. If you really do have a medical condition which prevents you from covering your face with a little bit of cloth, get stuff delivered or arrange for curb-side pickup. Or would you prefer the other kind of mask?
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2020-06-30 12:53:29 PM  
I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?
 
2020-06-30 12:54:30 PM  
/Covidiot mode on

'C' 'O' t t 'O' n = CO2. The "science" doesn't get any simpler than that. Wear a cotton mask, die of CO2 poisoning.

/Covidiot mode off, back to procrastinating at work.
 
2020-06-30 12:59:16 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

Karenitis, MAGA Syndrome
 
2020-06-30 1:02:01 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?


Any issue causing low lung volume? If you're breathing more often but transferring less air with every breath, I could see a problem arise as the air isn't expelled by the mask, but puffs it out just enough to capture it, to let you breath it all back in again.

Here, let Heavy Breathing Cat explain this. Take it away Heavy Breathing cat!

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2020-06-30 1:02:30 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?


I mentioned this in another thread.  My MIL is convinced she's got the go ahead from her Dr's office to use a clear face shield instead of a cloth mask due to her COPD.  Yes, better than nothing, but if you can't handle a cloth mask, WTF are you doing going out and about, the way she is?
 
2020-06-30 1:03:52 PM  

dragonchild: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?
Karenitis, MAGA Syndrome


MAGAllons disease? FibroMAGAlgia?
 
2020-06-30 1:06:04 PM  
Your high level decision making abilities are lowered from high CO2 blood levels. Masks cause higher CO2 levels. So, there are downsides other than discomfort, just the are minor if you are shopping, less so if you are wearing one while working a job that requires a lot of thinking.

https://youtu.be/1Nh_vxpycEA
On my phone, too lazy to link to actual studies.

I still wear one when inside a public space.
 
2020-06-30 1:06:44 PM  
Masks that tens of thousands of healthcare professionals have been wearing for hours on end every day for more than a century are now suddenly dangerous.
 
2020-06-30 1:07:50 PM  
It's not complicated. Masks are designed to let oxygen in and carbon dioxide out. They are effective in protecting others from you because the virus doesn't travel in air; it travels in water droplets, which get caught. Some masks also have a static charge that further helps trap the virus.
 
2020-06-30 1:07:55 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?


Severe Asthma
 
2020-06-30 1:08:26 PM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: Your high level decision making abilities are lowered from high CO2 blood levels. Masks cause higher CO2 levels. So, there are downsides other than discomfort, just the are minor if you are shopping, less so if you are wearing one while working a job that requires a lot of thinking.

https://youtu.be/1Nh_vxpycEA
On my phone, too lazy to link to actual studies.

I still wear one when inside a public space.


Good thing surgery doesn't require high level thinking.
 
2020-06-30 1:10:41 PM  

hobnail: brap: Since this whole seemingly never-ending pandemic situation has me teetering on the abyss of severe depression, I've been going out of my way to find any positives I can.  One of the upsides of wearing masks is that I haven't had any allergy symptoms.  I only realized this when I went to the country last weekend and was able to walk around maskless and had had a massive allergy attack.   I then remembered that usually by this time of year, I've gone through a couple of gallons of Flonase, and I hadn't needed it at all so far this year.

So if anything, I've learned that wearing a mask alleviates my allergy symptoms better than medication does.

I have also learned that a large portion of our population is tantrum-throwing toddlers living in adult bodies.

I've noticed the same thing with allergies.


Same here. My seasonal allergies (tree pollen) seemed almost missing year. I really thought that I was going to be worried about whether my sneezing etc. was going to be just my allergies or I finally get the 'rona.

I used to only wear masks regularly when I'm sick but have to get out of the house, but I think I'll be wearing it a lot come next Spring. The things you learn.

/although with a mask and hoodie I look a ninja
//or going to an Alan Walker set
 
2020-06-30 1:12:10 PM  
One issue not addressed here is masks being used as a substitute for social distancing or hand hygiene.  Anyone else noticing people violating the 6 foot rule or touching their faces more now that they are wearing masks?  Are people just assuming that these things just aren't important anymore when wearing a mask?
 
2020-06-30 1:13:23 PM  
Im not reading an article from some news rag that clings to a racist name
 
2020-06-30 1:13:35 PM  

Destructor: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

Any issue causing low lung volume? If you're breathing more often but transferring less air with every breath, I could see a problem arise as the air isn't expelled by the mask, but puffs it out just enough to capture it, to let you breath it all back in again.

Here, let Heavy Breathing Cat explain this. Take it away Heavy Breathing cat!

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I was just thinking something similar.  It *might* be possible for a person to have severely reduced lung capacity, and damage which reduces O2 transfer...

But in that case the individual is already on supplied O2 and wearing a damned mask to keep the rest of us from killing them with a common cold.
 
2020-06-30 1:13:37 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?


If I may use my boss as an example: he's 500 lbs and gets overheated at ambient temperature above 63 F. He doesn't wear a mask in the office, nor do his kids when he brings them in. Yesterday when he had to wear one in front of students, when it was just he and I he would pull it down, claiming it was making him too warm.

So, severe obesity with a rectocranial inversion would be that medical reason.
 
2020-06-30 1:13:56 PM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: Your high level decision making abilities are lowered from high CO2 blood levels. Masks cause higher CO2 levels. So, there are downsides other than discomfort, just the are minor if you are shopping, less so if you are wearing one while working a job that requires a lot of thinking.

https://youtu.be/1Nh_vxpycEA
On my phone, too lazy to link to actual studies.

I still wear one when inside a public space.


If you can link a youtube video but not any relevant studies, please don't say anything at all.

It's like saying "I need to fling something, but all I've got is bullshiat. Oh well, better get flinging."
 
2020-06-30 1:14:52 PM  

Super Chronic: It's not complicated. Masks are designed to let oxygen in and carbon dioxide out. They are effective in protecting others from you because the virus doesn't travel in air; it travels in water droplets, which get caught. Some masks also have a static charge that further helps trap the virus.


THIS!!!! A THOUSAND TIMES, THIS!!!!11!one

Wear a mask! Yes, it's supposed to cover your mouth AND nose!  If it's hard to breath that means you have it fitted correctly!!
And WASH YOUR HANDS YOU FILTHY ANIMALS!!!!! GAH!
 
2020-06-30 1:15:11 PM  
They do increase co2 to some extent, and some people get headaches. They also give Me a bad runny nose, so I pull it up and down all the time depending on whether I'm within 8-10 feet of anyone. Not too big of a deal.
 
2020-06-30 1:15:45 PM  

orneryredguy: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

I mentioned this in another thread.  My MIL is convinced she's got the go ahead from her Dr's office to use a clear face shield instead of a cloth mask due to her COPD.  Yes, better than nothing, but if you can't handle a cloth mask, WTF are you doing going out and about, the way she is?


My MIL had a double lung transplant a couple of years ago, but before that, when she had COPD, she was instructed to wear a mask when going out of the house so as to avoid breathing in environmental contaminants.  Oxygen tubes went under the mask, mask went on the face.  COPD is not a valid excuse not to wear a mask.  A paper surgical mask does not trap CO2, they're not that finely woven.  It does, however, trap allergens and water vapor.
 
2020-06-30 1:16:57 PM  
Good to see that OSHA 10/30 post being discredited.

Since the Kansas governor announced a statewide mandatory mask requirement yesterday, I've seen that thing on Facebook like 20 times.
 
2020-06-30 1:18:20 PM  
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I liked this one.
 
2020-06-30 1:20:40 PM  

Callous: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

Severe Asthma


If i had asthma i'd make bloody well sure i never venture out in public anyway in the middle of a pandemic of a virus that likes to liquefy peoples lungs.
 
2020-06-30 1:22:37 PM  
Why does everyone keep looking for downsides to mask wearing? This is our excuse to make every day a ComicCon costume parade. Dress up like a ninja! An old west train robber! Deadpool! Spider-Gwen! Mortal Kombat's Scorpion, Sub-Zero or Kitana!

Mask haters aren't just dumb, spoiled and irresponsible. They lack imagination and they're no fun at parties.
 
2020-06-30 1:22:47 PM  

Zik-Zak: hobnail: brap: Since this whole seemingly never-ending pandemic situation has me teetering on the abyss of severe depression, I've been going out of my way to find any positives I can.  One of the upsides of wearing masks is that I haven't had any allergy symptoms.  I only realized this when I went to the country last weekend and was able to walk around maskless and had had a massive allergy attack.   I then remembered that usually by this time of year, I've gone through a couple of gallons of Flonase, and I hadn't needed it at all so far this year.

So if anything, I've learned that wearing a mask alleviates my allergy symptoms better than medication does.

I have also learned that a large portion of our population is tantrum-throwing toddlers living in adult bodies.

I've noticed the same thing with allergies.

Same here. My seasonal allergies (tree pollen) seemed almost missing year. I really thought that I was going to be worried about whether my sneezing etc. was going to be just my allergies or I finally get the 'rona.

I used to only wear masks regularly when I'm sick but have to get out of the house, but I think I'll be wearing it a lot come next Spring. The things you learn.

/although with a mask and hoodie I look a ninja
//or going to an Alan Walker set


Careful.  A hoodie can get you ventilated in other ways.
 
2020-06-30 1:23:17 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?


Extreme stupidity?

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SON OF A MOTHERLESS GOAT!!! Look at these oxygen saturations...THIS is what happens when you wear a mask all day, day after day, month after month... nothing. I still had an O2 sat of 100% after my 3rd 13-hour shift in a row andSarah Whitehad an O2 sat of 99% after her 4th.
So you can shove your "rebreathing CO2" arguments in a mask.
Prove me wrong.
#wearablefilter- withSarah White.
 
2020-06-30 1:25:20 PM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: Your high level decision making abilities are lowered from high CO2 blood levels.


morbo.jpg
GASES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
2020-06-30 1:26:07 PM  

GrogSmash: Destructor: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

Any issue causing low lung volume? If you're breathing more often but transferring less air with every breath, I could see a problem arise as the air isn't expelled by the mask, but puffs it out just enough to capture it, to let you breath it all back in again.

Here, let Heavy Breathing Cat explain this. Take it away Heavy Breathing cat!

[Fark user image image 220x203]

I was just thinking something similar.  It *might* be possible for a person to have severely reduced lung capacity, and damage which reduces O2 transfer...

But in that case the individual is already on supplied O2 and wearing a damned mask to keep the rest of us from killing them with a common cold.


Speaking as an intensely fat and unhealthy human. I have to really slow down when I wear a mask. I think the issue is since I'm lugging around such a huge mass, I expend a lot more calories, produce a lot more CO2 and suffer hypercapnia when wearing a mask.  It's a cross I bear.

But imagine someone with emphysema, or cystic fibrosis, etc. If they're borderline, they might be able to get by without an O2 concentrator. But now what do you do when they throw on a mask and don't have an O2 concentrator? Go out and get one, I suppose. But they are not cheap.
 
2020-06-30 1:26:51 PM  
I spent about an hour in a hot attic yesterday. I had my mask on the entire time and suffered no ill side effects.
 
2020-06-30 1:27:15 PM  

alex10294: They do increase co2 to some extent,


No they don't. That is absolutely not how gaseous diffusion works. Not even a little bit.
 
2020-06-30 1:27:46 PM  

Callous: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

Severe Asthma


So you would recommend that someone with severe enough asthma should be out and about in public? Do you normally recommend that people in a very high risk group should be exposed to a virus that causes  respiratory problems?
 
2020-06-30 1:27:59 PM  

Lance Robdon: /Covidiot mode on

'C' 'O' t t 'O' n = CO2. The "science" doesn't get any simpler than that. Wear a cotton mask, die of CO2 poisoning.

/Covidiot mode off, back to procrastinating at work.


So then posting on Fark somehow fits into your job description? I'm wondering if I can actually fit it into my work schedule too.

/not at work today
//or for the next two weeks
///quarantined
 
2020-06-30 1:28:06 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

If I may use my boss as an example: he's 500 lbs and gets overheated at ambient temperature above 63 F. He doesn't wear a mask in the office, nor do his kids when he brings them in. Yesterday when he had to wear one in front of students, when it was just he and I he would pull it down, claiming it was making him too warm.

So, severe obesity with a rectocranial inversion would be that medical reason.


I ain't picking on him. We've got hefty women in our family too. But 500 lbs is a death sentence. If he catches COVID, he will die.

He's gonna do what he's gonna do, so I ain't gonna waste time, and I damn sure ain't gonna fat shame. But y'all continue to do your best to help him as much as you can. He's got kids, and I wish he would have taken better care of himself for their sake, but hey, it is what it is, and it's too late to turn back now.

Wear your masks. Wash your hands. And pray his passing will be peaceful, his kids have college money, and they don't lose their house.
 
2020-06-30 1:29:52 PM  

JesseL: If you can link a youtube video but not any relevant studies


"I saw Mrs. Crabapple and the mask in the closet, making CO2, and I saw the CO2, and it looked at me. "
 
2020-06-30 1:30:59 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Lars The Canadian Viking: Your high level decision making abilities are lowered from high CO2 blood levels.

morbo.jpg
GASES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!


He's not actually worried about CO2. He can't handle his own stanky breath.

Seriously guy, see a dentist. When you smile, people should be reminded of pearls, not coral reefs.
 
6M
2020-06-30 1:31:20 PM  

Smoking GNU: Callous: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

Severe Asthma

If i had asthma i'd make bloody well sure i never venture out in public anyway in the middle of a pandemic of a virus that likes to liquefy peoples lungs.


I have asthma along with stage  four emphysema and on continuous oxygen. A recent trip to the hospital wouldn't let me breath due to the buildup of co2 behind the surgical mask. The hospital had me take off the mask during conversations.  A cloth mask seems to be ok. These people complaining don't know what their talking about. I've been staying inside for months.  Go away people!
 
2020-06-30 1:31:56 PM  
"The surgical mask is not designed for the outside world and will not filter the virus upon inhaling through it. Its filtration works on the exhale (just like a vacuum bag, it only works one way)," the post states.

Jesus, they don't even understand how vacuum bags work. They don't "work only one way". The dipshiats writing that post seems to think the bag just sits in the vacuum and the dirt magically gets through. There is a hole in the bag that is the intake. The dirt doesn't get through the pores in the bag, but air does. If you turned our vacuum bag inside out and managed to get it to connect properly, it would still work the same way.

Or you could get a free Dyson like I did and not have to mess with farking bags ever again.
 
2020-06-30 1:32:22 PM  

Farce-Side: orneryredguy: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

I mentioned this in another thread.  My MIL is convinced she's got the go ahead from her Dr's office to use a clear face shield instead of a cloth mask due to her COPD.  Yes, better than nothing, but if you can't handle a cloth mask, WTF are you doing going out and about, the way she is?

My MIL had a double lung transplant a couple of years ago, but before that, when she had COPD, she was instructed to wear a mask when going out of the house so as to avoid breathing in environmental contaminants.  Oxygen tubes went under the mask, mask went on the face.  COPD is not a valid excuse not to wear a mask.  A paper surgical mask does not trap CO2, they're not that finely woven.  It does, however, trap allergens and water vapor.


Well, if my tone wasn't obvious, I'm rather skeptical myself.  To my knowledge she doesn't need oxygen (yet).  I'll spare everybody several walls of text and just say that in exchange for living several states away from us, I'm not given much input on how she lives her life.
 
2020-06-30 1:32:35 PM  

sdd2000: So you would recommend that someone with severe enough asthma should be out and about in public?


No that was my point. I was trying to pin down what mysterious medical condition it might be that meant you couldn't use a mask, but at the same time it would be fine for you to be out in public. If you're so delicate a piece of fabric in front of your face pwns you, I'm not sure there's a good argument for you to be wandering around outside.
 
2020-06-30 1:33:18 PM  

6M: A recent trip to the hospital wouldn't let me breath due to the buildup of co2 behind the surgical mask.


Not a thing.
 
2020-06-30 1:35:24 PM  
If any of these idiots get between me and my "Everyone wears a dune still suit" ideal world, I'm gonna be pissed.
 
2020-06-30 1:35:28 PM  

sdd2000: Prank Call of Cthulhu: I still haven't heard of an actual medical condition that would permit you to be out in public, but somehow also make it impossible for you to wear a mask. Is there one?

Extreme stupidity?

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SON OF A MOTHERLESS GOAT!!! Look at these oxygen saturations...THIS is what happens when you wear a mask all day, day after day, month after month... nothing. I still had an O2 sat of 100% after my 3rd 13-hour shift in a row andSarah Whitehad an O2 sat of 99% after her 4th.
So you can shove your "rebreathing CO2" arguments in a mask.
Prove me wrong.
#wearablefilter- withSarah White.


If it were me taking a pic like that, I'd definitely have the clip on my middle finger.
 
2020-06-30 1:36:03 PM  
COVID deniers:

Are you starting to see how stupid, selfish, shortsighted, and worthless you are?

Just asking questions!
 
2020-06-30 1:36:36 PM  
I will admit I've had a harder time snorting cocaine in public with a mask on.  You'd think it'd be easier, just tape the baggie to your nose and snort whenever you want to.  But no, it just keeps falling off.

On the bright side, I haven't been arrested since the masks have been required.
 
2020-06-30 1:37:49 PM  

RussianPotato: If any of these idiots get between me and my "Everyone wears a dune still suit" ideal world, I'm gonna be pissed.


And the beauty of the still suit is, once you've pissed yourself you can drink it right back in!
 
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