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(Chicago Trib)   How to properly assess your Covid-19 risk in public. Tl;dr: pretty much everything ends with "Consider avoiding nonessential activities" or "No"   (chicagotribune.com) divider line
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2020-06-30 8:38:53 AM  
most things i would do as non-essential activities don't exist at the moment, so it's not hard to just stick to essential things
 
2020-06-30 8:54:30 AM  
I'm still behaving like it's the end of March, e.g. I still have a grain alcohol soaked towel in a pint ball jar handy in the Jeep and one in the kitchen. Any time I exit a store, everything touched in the Jeep gets a wipe down, the lid of the jar, and so on. Everything except building materials gets wiped down once on the property. We only go out for food, booze, and gardening/building materials. If I die from this virus, you can't say I didn't put up a fight.
 
2020-06-30 2:26:14 PM  
I wear a condom everywhere. Has worked so far.
 
2020-06-30 2:27:58 PM  
Stay home, wear a mask, give a damn.

Movies, sports, and haircuts can wait, godammit.
 
2020-06-30 2:32:44 PM  
If everyone did this that'd be great. But they aren't so nonessential activities are pretty much a bad idea for everyone.
 
2020-06-30 2:32:44 PM  

6nome: I wear a condom everywhere. Has worked so far.


You joke, but I do see parallels between this and HIV when it first showed up.  New, unknown disease.  Hospital employees hit hard because they don't know or don't care about dealing with contagions.  Initial symptoms known, but scientists have not fully figured out what it does once the initial symptoms are gone.  It is not known what the long-term effects to the infected will be one year, five years, ten years from now.  What is known is that it isn't just a simple respiratory disease.
 
2020-06-30 2:34:16 PM  
Me going up north to sit on the boat this weekend is essential.
 
2020-06-30 2:34:17 PM  
Other than to the grocery store, and petrol station, we haven't gone anywhere for a while really. I've gone flying, but that's just me in the Cherokee maintaining currency requirements, don't have to have face to face contact with anyone. Due for a BFR this September though, and my yearly recurrent training for the TBM (Insurance) is in November :(
 
2020-06-30 2:34:17 PM  
I've gotten a few emails from the massage place saying they're open for business with precautions in place: sanitizing, limited appointments, masks, etc. I would LOVE to get a massage, it would greatly help my stress level. However even with precautions it's still an hour of close contact, in a small, closed room, with both of us breathing the same air. Ain't gonna happen.
 
2020-06-30 2:37:11 PM  

Frank N Stein: Me going up north to sit on the boat this weekend is essential.


Just follow the guidelines - keep your distance from people not in your household, wear a mask when you're in public, avoid enclosed spaces with lots of people for extended periods of time. Sitting on your own boat outside away from everyone else is fine. Tying your boat up with a few hundred other boats so a few thousand people can engage in a bacchanalian orgy of trashiness isn't.
 
2020-06-30 2:37:21 PM  

inglixthemad: Other than to the grocery store, and petrol station, we haven't gone anywhere for a while really. I've gone flying, but that's just me in the Cherokee maintaining currency requirements, don't have to have face to face contact with anyone. Due for a BFR this September though, and my yearly recurrent training for the TBM (Insurance) is in November :(


What are your opinions on the Cherokee versus, say, a 172?

/kicking around the idea of getting a PPL for the fark of it.
 
2020-06-30 2:38:40 PM  
Oh, and the "I'm not gay old, so I won't get it" argument from younger Covidiots.
 
2020-06-30 2:38:49 PM  

Frank N Stein: Me going up north to sit on the boat this weekend is essential.


This guy gets it. I will be doing the same on Monday after the holiday madness is over.
 
2020-06-30 2:40:04 PM  
Some people just want to feel their lungs burn.

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2020-06-30 2:42:50 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Stay home, wear a mask, give a damn.


My contacts since March 16th, 2020

Grocery Store, 8 times
Liquor Store, 6 times
Building maintenance guy, once (small water leak.)
Butcher, 3 times (and that was "call and they bring your order out to the car.")

I think that's it. I've set a rule that I don't drink if I'm working the next day simply to keep the booze consumption levels somewhere around "too much" and not "omgwtf." Having done so, I'm still saving a bunch of money because...well...can't spend it anywhere. 

Movies, sports, and haircuts can wait, godammit.

Sports: I should be going to a baseball game this evening, but obviously, that's not happening. Sigh, but it is what it is. Wouldn't go if I could.

Hair. I grabbed my beard trimmer, and said "Hair. One of us isn't leaving alive. Draw!"  Hair hasn't been this short in over...shiat, 30 years. I'm keeping it, at least in summer.

Does it look good? Who the fark cares, I'm not seeing anybody face to face! Actually, it doesn't look too bad. I'm sure the back is ragged, but fark it, can't see it, not a problem.

Movies. I don't watch movies in theaters anyway, because the image sucks, the sound sucks, and all the people with glowing rectangles suck enough to cause noticeable curvature in space-time.

I am going to have to stock up in the next couple of days. Getting low on food, and will need a long weekend's worth of tasty tasty beer. STFU liver you're not done yet.
 
2020-06-30 2:44:37 PM  

inglixthemad: Other than to the grocery store, and petrol station, we haven't gone anywhere for a while really. I've gone flying, but that's just me in the Cherokee maintaining currency requirements, don't have to have face to face contact with anyone. Due for a BFR this September though, and my yearly recurrent training for the TBM (Insurance) is in November :(


We did go to a drive-in movie. That was nice - they were at half capacity so like 10 feet between you and the next group. We had dinner at a restaurant on the lake, too. Outside, table on the dock, closest other table was about 10 feet away. Masks when we walked through to get to our table or leave. In all, pretty safe.

Definitely not going to a movie or seeing a concert or going to a political rally or hanging at a dance club or getting a massage any time soon.
 
2020-06-30 2:47:04 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Hair. I grabbed my beard trimmer, and said "Hair. One of us isn't leaving alive. Draw!"  Hair hasn't been this short in over...shiat, 30 years. I'm keeping it, at least in summer.

Does it look good? Who the fark cares, I'm not seeing anybody face to face! Actually, it doesn't look too bad. I'm sure the back is ragged, but fark it, can't see it, not a problem.


I did the same thing.  Not only am I not spending $20 on a haircut, but I figured out how to get the right length for my hair, once living history resumes.  Proper 19th Century barracks haircut length, just from using the 1/2 inch attachment on my beard clippers.
 
2020-06-30 2:47:57 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: bluejeansonfire: Stay home, wear a mask, give a damn.

My contacts since March 16th, 2020

Grocery Store, 8 times
Liquor Store, 6 times
Building maintenance guy, once (small water leak.)
Butcher, 3 times (and that was "call and they bring your order out to the car.")

I think that's it. I've set a rule that I don't drink if I'm working the next day simply to keep the booze consumption levels somewhere around "too much" and not "omgwtf." Having done so, I'm still saving a bunch of money because...well...can't spend it anywhere. 

Movies, sports, and haircuts can wait, godammit.

Sports: I should be going to a baseball game this evening, but obviously, that's not happening. Sigh, but it is what it is. Wouldn't go if I could.

Hair. I grabbed my beard trimmer, and said "Hair. One of us isn't leaving alive. Draw!"  Hair hasn't been this short in over...shiat, 30 years. I'm keeping it, at least in summer.

Does it look good? Who the fark cares, I'm not seeing anybody face to face! Actually, it doesn't look too bad. I'm sure the back is ragged, but fark it, can't see it, not a problem.

Movies. I don't watch movies in theaters anyway, because the image sucks, the sound sucks, and all the people with glowing rectangles suck enough to cause noticeable curvature in space-time.

I am going to have to stock up in the next couple of days. Getting low on food, and will need a long weekend's worth of tasty tasty beer. STFU liver you're not done yet.


Nice blog post
 
2020-06-30 2:48:21 PM  
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2020-06-30 2:50:21 PM  

Frank N Stein: inglixthemad: Other than to the grocery store, and petrol station, we haven't gone anywhere for a while really. I've gone flying, but that's just me in the Cherokee maintaining currency requirements, don't have to have face to face contact with anyone. Due for a BFR this September though, and my yearly recurrent training for the TBM (Insurance) is in November :(

What are your opinions on the Cherokee versus, say, a 172?

/kicking around the idea of getting a PPL for the fark of it.


I did my training in a 172. Both are fine airplanes, but handle very differently. I have an Robertson STOL kit that came with the Cherokee, but IMHO its almost never necessary. I will say that cutting the power in a Cherokee isn't done until you're actually very close landing. The 172 I would often cut power about halfway through final and glide onto the numbers. The Cherokee has a much higher sink rate than a 172, especially the "Hershey bar" wing Cherokees.

Is one better than the other? Having flown a C-172, C-172RG, C-177, C-182, C-206, and Cherokee 140/160/180 and a 6-300... they just different.
 
2020-06-30 2:50:23 PM  

August11: I'm still behaving like it's the end of March, e.g. I still have a grain alcohol soaked towel in a pint ball jar handy in the Jeep and one in the kitchen. Any time I exit a store, everything touched in the Jeep gets a wipe down, the lid of the jar, and so on. Everything except building materials gets wiped down once on the property. We only go out for food, booze, and gardening/building materials. If I die from this virus, you can't say I didn't put up a fight.


Same here. I mask up when I'm at the store and then when I get home, I wash my hands, wipe down my phone with rubbing alcohol, wash off my face, and change my clothes. I also have some hand sanitizer inside the car.
 
2020-06-30 2:50:29 PM  
We're having a small family gathering this weekend for one of boys' birthdays. Outside of course, and at a distance. My parents and aunt/uncle are all retired and haven't hardly left their houses since this started. And we live in IL, which isn't a complete farking mess at the moment.
 
2020-06-30 2:51:36 PM  
If I can't go splishy splashy at the beach the terrorists win.
 
2020-06-30 2:52:21 PM  
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Reminded me of this flow chart.
 
2020-06-30 2:59:22 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: I am going to have to stock up in the next couple of days. Getting low on food, and will need a long weekend's worth of tasty tasty beer.


Sure, it sounded like a boring blog post, read out loud. But think of it as the writer is keeping a journal and this is the opening credits of the first episode of a zombie movie. Now re-read the last line there. Fauci just said the US is fast approaching 100k new infections a day. And this guy has to go get supplies.

This long weekend of beer parties is gonna be when the show hits its stride. Time to make some popcorn!
 
2020-06-30 3:01:51 PM  
Yesterday, I had to take some documents to be mailed to the post office. It was ... insane. The clerks were wearing their masks pulled down below their nostrils. All of them. There were maybe 12 customers who were mostly wearing masks. The exception: the guy right in front of me. He looked like that guy who played the toady in the Rachel Weiss Mummy. And he just wasn't not wearing a mask. He was closer than normal to the guy in front of him. TV dialog close. Well, well. So, I stayed  well back. Just insane. He exhibited the attitude, "If I got it, so will you."

I'm in the 1-5 mortality cohort so maybe I'm overly cautious. But I don't think so. I don't want to die and I really don't want to survive and live like a walking invalid.
 
2020-06-30 3:01:56 PM  
I rented a cabin by the lake this past weekend. It was great, I highly recommend. My camping neighbors were further away than my neighbors at home. Between the sun, fresh air, animals and the meditation of watching the fire I feel like a million bucks.

I'd do it again this weekend if it wasn't a holiday.
 
2020-06-30 3:03:59 PM  

yakmans_dad: Yesterday, I had to take some documents to be mailed to the post office. It was ... insane. The clerks were wearing their masks pulled down below their nostrils. All of them. There were maybe 12 customers who were mostly wearing masks. The exception: the guy right in front of me. He looked like that guy who played the toady in the Rachel Weiss Mummy. And he just wasn't not wearing a mask. He was closer than normal to the guy in front of him. TV dialog close. Well, well. So, I stayed  well back. Just insane. He exhibited the attitude, "If I got it, so will you."

I'm in the 1-5 mortality cohort so maybe I'm overly cautious. But I don't think so. I don't want to die and I really don't want to survive and live like a walking invalid.


Apologies for the weird writing in my previous post.

"I had to go to the post office to mail some documents."
"All of the clerks wore their masks pull down below their nostrils."

Maybe I'm feeling the first encroaches of the COVID.
 
2020-06-30 3:06:52 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Fauci just said the US is fast approaching 100k new infections a day. And this guy has to go get supplies.


You're right. Doubling the beer order.
 
2020-06-30 3:27:09 PM  
And most importantly assess the risk of YOU spreading the virus to OTHER people.

I.e. Are you human?
- Yes?
--- Wear a mask if you go out.  Keep your distance from others if at all possible.  Wash your hands.  Avoid touching shared objects.
 
2020-06-30 3:34:15 PM  

August11: I'm still behaving like it's the end of March, e.g. I still have a grain alcohol soaked towel in a pint ball jar handy in the Jeep and one in the kitchen. Any time I exit a store, everything touched in the Jeep gets a wipe down, the lid of the jar, and so on. Everything except building materials gets wiped down once on the property. We only go out for food, booze, and gardening/building materials. If I die from this virus, you can't say I didn't put up a fight.


This.

Continue to follow sterile procedure. Continue to assume that everything coming into your home is contaminated, continue to assume everyone not already living in your home is already infected, because to do anything else is to accept a level of risk that even the CDC at this point can't seem to manage.

Wear a mask whenever you're not in or on your property, or when interacting with people in or on your property. Wear gloves whenever you have to interact with something about which you can't vouch for its handling & sanitization.

And, above all, assume that everyone around you isn't doing any of this, because a goodly percentage of them aren't.
 
2020-06-30 3:37:44 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: Frank N Stein: Me going up north to sit on the boat this weekend is essential.

This guy gets it. I will be doing the same on Monday after the holiday madness is over.


SafetyThird: I rented a cabin by the lake this past weekend. It was great, I highly recommend. My camping neighbors were further away than my neighbors at home. Between the sun, fresh air, animals and the meditation of watching the fire I feel like a million bucks.

I'd do it again this weekend if it wasn't a holiday.


These.

If you can go outside while maintaining social distancing, DO IT.  Cabin fever is as real as COVID-19, and even a walk around the block can make a difference.  This...

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...is not the same as this...

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2020-06-30 3:54:18 PM  
What about this?

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2020-06-30 4:27:36 PM  
I'm approaching it like it's not going away in my lifetime, that way if we do get a vaccine (I'm doubtful) it'll be a very nice surprise.
 
2020-06-30 4:37:10 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Stay home, wear a mask, give a damn.

Movies, sports, and haircuts can wait, godammit.


People need to find hobbies. But I knew people who would drive in a snowstorm to a bar because they were board at home.
 
2020-06-30 4:49:41 PM  
OMG I'M SO SCARED

/pfft
 
2020-06-30 4:56:47 PM  

FormlessOne: August11: I'm still behaving like it's the end of March, e.g. I still have a grain alcohol soaked towel in a pint ball jar handy in the Jeep and one in the kitchen. Any time I exit a store, everything touched in the Jeep gets a wipe down, the lid of the jar, and so on. Everything except building materials gets wiped down once on the property. We only go out for food, booze, and gardening/building materials. If I die from this virus, you can't say I didn't put up a fight.

This.

Continue to follow sterile procedure. Continue to assume that everything coming into your home is contaminated, continue to assume everyone not already living in your home is already infected, because to do anything else is to accept a level of risk that even the CDC at this point can't seem to manage.

Wear a mask whenever you're not in or on your property, or when interacting with people in or on your property. Wear gloves whenever you have to interact with something about which you can't vouch for its handling & sanitization.

And, above all, assume that everyone around you isn't doing any of this, because a goodly percentage of them aren't.


You filled in what I left blank: I treat everyone like I have it and everyone is my dear old grandma. Even the mail gets an alcohol bath.
 
2020-06-30 5:04:18 PM  

big pig peaches: What about this?

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Well if that's EVER wrong I don't wanna be right!
 
2020-06-30 5:36:45 PM  
As far as I can tell, the whole "wiping down everything" is unnecessary; Covid doesn't seem to spread that way in the real world; it's mostly/entirely person to person via emissions into the air by the mouth.  It doesn't hurt, of course, and might kill other things, so, to each their own, but masks and social distancings are a much bigger deal than catching it from an elevator button or something.

As for being a hermit in general; well that's good, although massively impractical to do so for 12-36 months it will take to get a vaccine.  People are starting to snap and basically everybody will at some point.

The issue I see is with old people or those with existing health conditions.  They are probably going to need to become a hermit for that long.
 
2020-06-30 6:01:34 PM  

big pig peaches: What about this?

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Was that a posed picture or a candid?
 
2020-06-30 6:58:48 PM  

FormlessOne: Wear a mask whenever you're not in or on your property, or when interacting with people in or on your property. Wear gloves whenever you have to interact with something about which you can't vouch for its handling & sanitization.


One other thing I'd add: eye protection.  Not sure why this isn't getting as much PR as masks, but there's a reason the first line med folks were face shields in addition to masks.  A good pair of clear safety or clear shooting glasses will offer some protection against airborne, plague-infested water droplets.
 
2020-06-30 8:48:05 PM  

Geotpf: As far as I can tell, the whole "wiping down everything" is unnecessary; Covid doesn't seem to spread that way in the real world; it's mostly/entirely person to person via emissions into the air by the mouth.  It doesn't hurt, of course, and might kill other things, so, to each their own, but masks and social distancings are a much bigger deal than catching it from an elevator button or something.

As for being a hermit in general; well that's good, although massively impractical to do so for 12-36 months it will take to get a vaccine.  People are starting to snap and basically everybody will at some point.

The issue I see is with old people or those with existing health conditions.  They are probably going to need to become a hermit for that long.


I wouldn't bet on a vaccine. There's a couple Fark links in the last couple days talking about how there's almost no progress being made and the stuff furthest along isn't panning out.

Might be time to stop putting a potential end time in your head that is anchored to numbers.
 
2020-06-30 8:49:41 PM  

vestona22: FormlessOne: Wear a mask whenever you're not in or on your property, or when interacting with people in or on your property. Wear gloves whenever you have to interact with something about which you can't vouch for its handling & sanitization.

One other thing I'd add: eye protection.  Not sure why this isn't getting as much PR as masks, but there's a reason the first line med folks were face shields in addition to masks.  A good pair of clear safety or clear shooting glasses will offer some protection against airborne, plague-infested water droplets.


I don't usually think about it because I wear glasses, but, yeah, that's a good point. Thanks!
 
2020-06-30 8:51:50 PM  

Sgt. Expendable: Might be time to stop putting a potential end time in your head that is anchored to numbers.


Bingo. Until the stats look right, I'm assuming that this is my new normal.

For once, being agoraphobic pays off - I don't feel uncomfortable staying at home for months at a stretch. It's gonna be hell breaking it again, though. Took a long time to deal with the last relapse, and there's an entire new layer of anxiety - justifiable anxiety, at that - sitting on top of it.

That being said, I'm good with it. My dysfunction is, in this bizarre outlier of probability, entirely functional.
 
2020-06-30 9:42:08 PM  

Madison_Smiled: I've gotten a few emails from the massage place saying they're open for business with precautions in place: sanitizing, limited appointments, masks, etc. I would LOVE to get a massage, it would greatly help my stress level. However even with precautions it's still an hour of close contact, in a small, closed room, with both of us breathing the same air. Ain't gonna happen.


I agree with this so much. I went out and overdid some exercise last week and had such sore muscles. I managed it by taking a deep bath with Epsom salts, massaging my legs and arms in the tub, firing up a joint and popping an Advil. It's not nearly the same, but it was better than nothing.

My doctor told me today that taking COQ10 can alleviate muscle pain from overexertion. I'm going to try that next time.
 
2020-07-01 1:21:17 AM  

August11: I'm still behaving like it's the end of March, e.g. I still have a grain alcohol soaked towel in a pint ball jar handy in the Jeep and one in the kitchen. Any time I exit a store, everything touched in the Jeep gets a wipe down, the lid of the jar, and so on. Everything except building materials gets wiped down once on the property. We only go out for food, booze, and gardening/building materials. If I die from this virus, you can't say I didn't put up a fight.


I wish you'd come to Las Vegas and teach people who shop at Sam's Club how to do it right.
I've no choice but to be there 40 hrs weekly since it, (barely), pays my bills.
But jeez I wish the members were as diligent as you are. Heck, I'd even feel safe hugging you! I wouldn't though, because you're a rarity, and I'd fear spreading the evil to you I may have on me due to the stupid not caring about anyone else.
Keep up the diligence. People like you may very well save many of us from the covid 💩
 
2020-07-01 1:23:05 AM  

6nome: I wear a condom everywhere. Has worked so far.


On your face? In lieu of a mask? Does that work? 🤔
 
2020-07-01 2:03:41 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: I am going to have to stock up in the next couple of days. Getting low on food, and will need a long weekend's worth of tasty tasty beer.

Sure, it sounded like a boring blog post, read out loud. But think of it as the writer is keeping a journal and this is the opening credits of the first episode of a zombie movie. Now re-read the last line there. Fauci just said the US is fast approaching 100k new infections a day. And this guy has to go get supplies.

This long weekend of beer parties is gonna be when the show hits its stride. Time to make some popcorn!


🍿 right on! I'm in. 🍿
 
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