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(NPR) Audio A closer look at how America's prison labor system functions. Come for the ridiculous story of how much inmates are paid, stay for, "Sorry, we don't hire felons," to the inmate with 10 years experience working for that company while on the inside   (npr.org) divider line
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2020-06-30 8:33:22 AM  
40 votes:
In fairness, said felon would have to be paid at a full wage, rather than the $5 a day that he previously got. He priced himself right out of a job. Maybe if he wanted to continue working for these folks he should have stayed in prison. Ever think about that, Libs? No, because you just think about yourselves.

/Hell
//one plz
 
2020-06-30 8:46:59 AM  
31 votes:

hubiestubert: In fairness, said felon would have to be paid at a full wage, rather than the $5 a day that he previously got. He priced himself right out of a job. Maybe if he wanted to continue working for these folks he should have stayed in prison. Ever think about that, Libs? No, because you just think about yourselves.

/Hell
//one plz


Don't know why you'd need a ticket to hell for making a completely valid point. The free market is the free market, and once one decides to enter it one must accept its harsh governance. If he was unprepared to actually compete in the free market he should have elected to remain in the more protected environment offered by prison. Furthermore, a true entrepreneur, upon learning that he was not being offered a job at the company where he had been accumulating a decade's worth of experience, would have secured capital and started his own competing business, which in short order (based on his ground-level expertise and his willingness to hire other ex-prisoners with similar experience) would have shortly outpaced his former employer, enabling him to acquire that business, expand his own, and expect a significant IPO within only a few years of launch. It just takes gumption, which sadly this particular individual does not appear to have.
 
2020-06-30 10:32:44 AM  
6 votes:
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2020-06-30 10:44:13 AM  
5 votes:

fireclown: Tr0mBoNe: Gubbo: The American Penal System. The last holdout of legal slavery in America

Unless you count college sports.

Yeah exploitation is not slavery and "they get a degree out of it" don't get uppity.

We could do away with college sports completely, and little of value would be lost.  Most schools lose  money on NCAA programs, and frankly the role of universities is to produce scholars, not athletes.   In my benevolent police state of the future, college althletics would be run by coaches paid on normal professor pay scales, and limited to competitions within a one day drive.  The hyper-lucrative junior league that the NCAA has become will be available to be run by private enterprises.  Surely they will make mad bank without the massive financial and in-kind contributions made by the colleges.  They can send me thank you notes written on crisp $100 bills.


But what will the colleges do with all those excess scholarships they have lying around. They might have to give them to people who deserve them based on being smart.
 
2020-06-30 11:34:37 AM  
4 votes:

Gubbo: gar1013: Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.

I hope you don't think the US is alone in this, as you read this comment on something made in China.

Ah. The old America doesn't need to be any better than Communist China argument.

Real convincing


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2020-06-30 10:55:40 AM  
3 votes:
Stay tuned for more of the same.

America never abolished slavery. It just disguised it and moved it around.

Now that the Repugnants have decided to stop off-shoring slavery and pollution, they've be very diligent in killing environmental, labour, pollution and other legislation to enable them to bring the shiat jobs and the hazardous and toxic waste home  "making Murica grayte agin".

No illegals? No problem? Just fill the prisons with expendables at 8 cents an hour! You won't need to send overseers to Mexico or Indonesia, won't need to send the smokestakes to Shanghai or Wuhan.

Great, great, great, I am so great, so great am I. Trump is just a four-year old Bart Simpson banging on Marge's pots and pans while she has a migraine.

The great con game that was run when Capital felt threatened by communists is no more. The communists were right about it being bribery to kill internationalism and socialism. You got your $300 to vote Republican, now live with $30,000 less than you need a year to reproduce labour (your children and grandchildren).

Because everybody rich is making rents and stealing the lifeblood of labour, safe in the knowledge that while humanity goes extinct, the machines (which are capital) are replacing the stupid humans (which are labour).

Just wait until you get an eye load of expert programmes that can replace "doctors", "lawyers" and "accountants" as well as truck drivers, taxi cab drivers and the self-exploited Uber Underclass. You've already seen the results of that for a century or two, while the peasant class has been reduced to six percent of the population working in agro-industrial dark satanic mills full of Covid-19.

Lots of luck. And to think that Fermi asked why the neighbours don't call. What neighbours? Nobody is calling. If there are still civilizations out there, they are machine civilizations and have no curiosity, let alone compassion. You're just raw material for Mr. C.Montgomery Burn's Lisa brand slurry. Like the Executive Pink Powder, it has a thousand uses!
 
2020-06-30 12:38:01 PM  
2 votes:
Prison Labor: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube AjqaNQ018zU

From August 2019
 
2020-06-30 11:09:25 AM  
2 votes:

Rucker10: Geotpf: Rucker10: Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.

Yeah but we're so much better than China because reasons.

Also, Gitmo still exists, and still has people who have been in it for decades without trial.

The United States has done every "bad" thing that China has ever been accused of. We aren't the good guys.


Right. That's why the US needs a good ol' fashioned general uprising by the people. Those in power need to be scared.
 
2020-06-30 11:00:47 AM  
2 votes:

brantgoose: Stay tuned for more of the same.

America never abolished slavery. It just disguised it and moved it around.

Now that the Repugnants have decided to stop off-shoring slavery and pollution, they've be very diligent in killing environmental, labour, pollution and other legislation to enable them to bring the shiat jobs and the hazardous and toxic waste home  "making Murica grayte agin".

No illegals? No problem? Just fill the prisons with expendables at 8 cents an hour! You won't need to send overseers to Mexico or Indonesia, won't need to send the smokestakes to Shanghai or Wuhan.

Great, great, great, I am so great, so great am I. Trump is just a four-year old Bart Simpson banging on Marge's pots and pans while she has a migraine.

The great con game that was run when Capital felt threatened by communists is no more. The communists were right about it being bribery to kill internationalism and socialism. You got your $300 to vote Republican, now live with $30,000 less than you need a year to reproduce labour (your children and grandchildren).

Because everybody rich is making rents and stealing the lifeblood of labour, safe in the knowledge that while humanity goes extinct, the machines (which are capital) are replacing the stupid humans (which are labour).

Just wait until you get an eye load of expert programmes that can replace "doctors", "lawyers" and "accountants" as well as truck drivers, taxi cab drivers and the self-exploited Uber Underclass. You've already seen the results of that for a century or two, while the peasant class has been reduced to six percent of the population working in agro-industrial dark satanic mills full of Covid-19.

Lots of luck. And to think that Fermi asked why the neighbours don't call. What neighbours? Nobody is calling. If there are still civilizations out there, they are machine civilizations and have no curiosity, let alone compassion. You're just raw material for Mr. C.Montgomery Burn's Lisa brand slurry. Like the Executive P ...


Except "America" needs to be replaced with "World Elites". America itself has outlived its usefulness.
 
2020-06-30 10:59:02 AM  
2 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Cheap labor is the motivation behind many of our institutions.


Cheap labor is motivation behind the entire premise of capitalism.

Pay the least for resources.

Pay the least for labor.

Sell for highest price attainable.

Take that profit and give a tiny, little sliver to the laborer (even though they produced the value themselves) or an even smaller sliver to the prisoner (because he doesn't even have a goddamn choice), and the capitalist keeps what's left.

The entire concept of "getting paid what you're worth" will never happen under capitalism.  It's literally setup to NOT do that.

Prison labor is just one of a million ways capitalism has found to lower labor costs.
 
2020-06-30 10:50:27 AM  
2 votes:

Rucker10: Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.

Yeah but we're so much better than China because reasons.


Also, Gitmo still exists, and still has people who have been in it for decades without trial.
 
2020-06-30 10:31:17 AM  
2 votes:
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2020-06-30 10:30:37 AM  
2 votes:

gar1013: Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.

I hope you don't think the US is alone in this, as you read this comment on something made in China.


Ah. The old America doesn't need to be any better than Communist China argument.

Real convincing
 
2020-06-30 10:21:30 AM  
2 votes:

Gubbo: The American Penal System. The last holdout of legal slavery in America


Unless you count college sports.

Yeah exploitation is not slavery and "they get a degree out of it" don't get uppity.
 
2020-06-30 10:09:21 AM  
2 votes:
Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.
 
2020-06-30 10:04:46 AM  
2 votes:
The American Penal System. The last holdout of legal slavery in America
 
2020-06-30 1:57:11 PM  
1 vote:
Another story I heard on NPR one day: "America is addicted to low-wage labor."

thrillbilly1967: The part about prison labor everyone forgets
It's a way of coping with being locked up. Having performed said prison labor I can tell you that I was paid 9 dollars a day. But wouldve paid 20 a day for the chance.


Sure you would, and so would I under the circumstances. But that's not the point. You shouldn't be in such a desperate situation that you'll work for $9 a day. You should either be locked up, doing your time, OR working for a decent wage, since they trust you enough to give you a job. You shouldn't be punished, and then punished again by being exploited.
It's like saying that yeah, but the slaves all had room and board, so how much did they have to complain about?
 
2020-06-30 1:53:35 PM  
1 vote:

Dr. Opossum: While I think there should be less people in prison and they should be paid somewhat more, I have never had a moral problem with paying prisoners a small amount.  Prison costs are expensive as hell - why not have the prisoners work to offset costs to society and maybe gain some skills (even if they will be if limited use in the current world of high unemployment)?


The problem with the concept is that the slippery slope here is more like a crumbling 1,000 sheer cliff.
 
2020-06-30 1:04:33 PM  
1 vote:

fark'emfeed'emfish: Gubbo: The American Penal System. The last holdout of legal slavery in America

Technically, the 13th Amendment is the holdout.

Behold, freedom!

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]


Yup, slavery is still in the constitution, there are just a couple of extra steps...
 
2020-06-30 12:12:40 PM  
1 vote:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Rucker10: We aren't the good guys.

There are no "good guys".
IKEA
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ger​many-ikea/ikea-apologizes-for-use-of-e​ast-german-prison-labor-idUSBRE8AF0ZT2​0121116

Britain
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/bri​tish-retailer-tesco-halts-work-chinese​-factory-over-prison-labor-n1106251

Germany
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2​016/aug/2/german-prisoners-form-union-​seek-minimum-wage-and-pension/


Oh that makes it ok then.
 
2020-06-30 12:01:14 PM  
1 vote:

baronbloodbath: Fixed opening statement:

Prison Slave labor has been a part of the U.S. economy since at least the late 19th century. Today it's a multi-billion dollar industry. Incarcerated Enslaved people do everything from building office furniture and making military equipment, to staffing call centers and doing 3D modeling.
Companies like Walmart, AT&T, Whole Foods and Victoria's Secret have all relied on the labor of incarcerated enslaved people. And right now there are people in prisons all over the country working for little to no money making hand sanitizer and face masks to help fight COVID-19.
This industry is not well understood. Incarcerated Enslaved workers are not included in official employment statistics and there's not a ton or economic research done on this topic, so it can be difficult to know just how substantial this sector of our economy actually is.
Today on the show, we bring you one person's story of working behind bars, and we look at what it can tell us about how America's prison slave labor system functions.


Farkballs.

I'm not alone when I yell this?  Good.  We need a lot more yelling about this.
 
2020-06-30 11:40:40 AM  
1 vote:

Harlee: Gubbo: gar1013: Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.

I hope you don't think the US is alone in this, as you read this comment on something made in China.

Ah. The old America doesn't need to be any better than Communist China argument.

Real convincing

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*shakes tiny fist*
 
2020-06-30 11:39:14 AM  
1 vote:
Remember folks. The system is designed this way. The ones financing it are playing all sides.

Larry Fink of BlackRock Inc is playing the woke card on paper. While they do this, they finance police organizations, prisons and military arms manufacturers.

They profit from the prisons themselves and the labor. They incentivize the police departments and city governments to keep the prisons stocked.
 
2020-06-30 11:07:25 AM  
1 vote:

Geotpf: Rucker10: Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.

Yeah but we're so much better than China because reasons.

Also, Gitmo still exists, and still has people who have been in it for decades without trial.


The United States has done every "bad" thing that China has ever been accused of. We aren't the good guys.
 
2020-06-30 10:50:12 AM  
1 vote:

WillJM8528: gar1013: Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.

I hope you don't think the US is alone in this, as you read this comment on something made in China.

"Other countries have slaves, so it's okay." said gar1013


"I fail reading comprehension"
Said WillJM8528 and everyone that smarted his comment.
 
2020-06-30 10:42:50 AM  
1 vote:

Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.


Yeah but we're so much better than China because reasons.
 
2020-06-30 10:36:29 AM  
1 vote:

hubiestubert: In fairness, said felon would have to be paid at a full wage, rather than the $5 a day that he previously got. He priced himself right out of a job. Maybe if he wanted to continue working for these folks he should have stayed in prison. Ever think about that, Libs? No, because you just think about yourselves.

/Hell
//one plz


Pocket Ninja: hubiestubert: In fairness, said felon would have to be paid at a full wage, rather than the $5 a day that he previously got. He priced himself right out of a job. Maybe if he wanted to continue working for these folks he should have stayed in prison. Ever think about that, Libs? No, because you just think about yourselves.

/Hell
//one plz

Don't know why you'd need a ticket to hell for making a completely valid point. The free market is the free market, and once one decides to enter it one must accept its harsh governance. If he was unprepared to actually compete in the free market he should have elected to remain in the more protected environment offered by prison. Furthermore, a true entrepreneur, upon learning that he was not being offered a job at the company where he had been accumulating a decade's worth of experience, would have secured capital and started his own competing business, which in short order (based on his ground-level expertise and his willingness to hire other ex-prisoners with similar experience) would have shortly outpaced his former employer, enabling him to acquire that business, expand his own, and expect a significant IPO within only a few years of launch. It just takes gumption, which sadly this particular individual does not appear to have.


These two posts together sound like a Fox News panel discussion of this topic.
 
2020-06-30 10:33:22 AM  
1 vote:
If people understood just what a scam the prison industry is in America, there'd be outrage. But it's just too easy to ignore inmates with the assumption that they're criminals so they deserve whatever they get.

Hell, even without the mass outrage, politicians in both parties have started to back off on their rhetoric that led to this stuff, and there's even been actual talk of reform. But I'm not holding my breath.
 
2020-06-30 10:31:10 AM  
1 vote:

gar1013: Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.

I hope you don't think the US is alone in this, as you read this comment on something made in China.


"Other countries have slaves, so it's okay." said gar1013
 
2020-06-30 10:28:04 AM  
1 vote:

Nadie_AZ: Slavery.

Our system still uses slavery to build wealth.


That, and plain ol' post-slavery racism.

Gotta keep those uppity attractive and successful African-Americans down.

/ban the box
 
2020-06-30 10:26:16 AM  
1 vote:

Gubbo: The American Penal System. The last holdout of legal slavery in America


It's in the Constitution...and people laughed at Kanye when he brought it up.
 
2020-06-30 10:23:16 AM  
1 vote:

Tr0mBoNe: Gubbo: The American Penal System. The last holdout of legal slavery in America

Unless you count college sports.

Yeah exploitation is not slavery and "they get a degree out of it" don't get uppity.


I had forgotten college sports, which is annoying, as I'm perfectly happy to claim that college sports is modern day slavery.
 
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