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(CNN)   Does Hallmark have a card that says "I'm so very sorry my great-great-Grandpa colonized your country, enslaved your people, pillaged your resources, and killed 10 million of your citizens"? Because someone get the King of Belgium that card   (cnn.com) divider line
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2020-06-30 8:34:53 AM  
Lol it's like the opposite of an apology. "Mistakes were made, acts of violence were committed, isn't that all regrettable, now let's not bicker over who killed half the population of who, now, who wants to discuss some mining rights, after all we have a long shared history of shared memories such as 'you giving us all of your natural wealth' and 'us not paying you' and 'half your population died in a generation of horror so outrageous it scandalised the world' so let's let bygones be bygones and get down to business, eh?"
 
2020-06-30 10:26:40 AM  
"I wish we could lend a hand! Err... umm..."
 
2020-06-30 10:39:31 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: "I wish we could lend a hand! Err... umm..."


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2020-06-30 11:37:18 AM  

BKITU: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: "I wish we could lend a hand! Err... umm..."

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Errbody know you gotta hand it to the Belgians.
 
2020-06-30 12:04:43 PM  
Made from 100% Recycled South Americans...
 
2020-06-30 12:07:10 PM  
As long as I still get my supply of Trappist ales.
 
2020-06-30 12:07:24 PM  
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2020-06-30 12:07:30 PM  
Magic the Gathering has a card!

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2020-06-30 12:09:12 PM  
Hallmark probably doesn't have a card for it, but I bet the Germans have a word for it.
 
2020-06-30 12:09:17 PM  
You think thats bad? You shoulda read the FARK annual fathers day thread of people not apologizing for their fathers. Hoo Boy.

I can sum it up though in a four word band name.

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2020-06-30 12:12:02 PM  
Mark Twain approves this timely exposé.

Assuming rumours of his death are still great exagerated.

I'd also like to put in a word for S.J. Perlman who wrote about the Dutch colonialists and imperialists when he toured Indonesia.

Did you know that Denmark had an Empire? It wasn't just Iceland and Greenland, either.

Canada is accused of imperialism -- in the Carribean. Where else? It's close, it's warm, it's nearly safer than Florida.
 
2020-06-30 12:16:08 PM  

brantgoose: Mark Twain approves this timely exposé.

Assuming rumours of his death are still great exagerated.

I'd also like to put in a word for S.J. Perlman who wrote about the Dutch colonialists and imperialists when he toured Indonesia.

Did you know that Denmark had an Empire? It wasn't just Iceland and Greenland, either.

Canada is accused of imperialism -- in the Carribean. Where else? It's close, it's warm, it's nearly safer than Florida.


Scotland tried imperialism but disease and Nicaraguans killed off so many occupiers and used up so much of the treasury they damned near went bankrupt and England had to rush in and take over their Gaelic ass house before they hurt themselves any worse
 
2020-06-30 12:17:10 PM  
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2020-06-30 12:37:52 PM  
Apologizing for last centuries society when comparing it to this centuries society is idiotic

I demand all blacks quit using the word slave since that is a white race word. 

Comes from the word Slavic since whites were the original slaves we need to come up with a different power word for the blacks 

Does that seem silly to you ?
 
2020-06-30 12:39:00 PM  
So send em some chocolates with the card.
 
2020-06-30 12:41:00 PM  
Great-great-granduncle to be precise.
 
2020-06-30 12:43:07 PM  
It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.
 
2020-06-30 12:45:15 PM  
If you haven't read King Leopold's Ghost, prepare to be shocked.
Not only did King Leo rape and pillage to his heart's content, but when he was done, he had the audacity to sell what was left of the Congo to Belgium.
 
2020-06-30 12:46:19 PM  
All slaves that came from Africa were owned by a black man first, BTW
 
2020-06-30 12:48:30 PM  
'murrica:

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2020-06-30 12:48:48 PM  
I don't get why the Fark filters allow the rudest word in the universe in a headline, but still filter "shiat".
 
2020-06-30 12:49:54 PM  

joker420: All slaves that came from Africa were owned by a black man first, BTW


Well, that's certainly irrelevant to the thread, but thanks for exposing yourself.
 
2020-06-30 12:50:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: the rudest word in the universe


What, "Belgium"?
 
2020-06-30 12:56:20 PM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.


Get a load of this asshole.
 
2020-06-30 1:07:27 PM  

BKITU: joker420: All slaves that came from Africa were owned by a black man first, BTW

Well, that's certainly irrelevant to the thread, but thanks for exposing yourself.


Yeah! gotta hate facts.
 
2020-06-30 1:07:43 PM  

joker420: All slaves that came from Africa were owned by a black man first, BTW


Phhhhtttt, the Belgians were too morally just for slavery. They were too busy instilling Christian values and lifting up the local culture to be as refined and elevated as the white man to mess with slaves.

One of those values was the pride in an honest days hard work. So they'd set those high high rubber quotas. Of course, the way you dried rubber at the same time you were still collecting it was to smear the sap all over your body. Ain't no Christian ever preached the value of having skin or hair on your body!

And if you didn't want to learn the value of hard work, why, obviously you and your children don't need those hands!

Another of those Christian values was learning the value of the honest dollar. Which is why Belgium outlawed all currency in the Congo and replaced 'em with brass rods. Can't learn about the sins of glutton, usury, and greed if there's nothing of value left in the country!

Now some might think this was ethnic and cultural genocide, but good Christians like you and I know the difference, right? God wouldn't have invented the chicote if he didn't want it used by honest white Christians bringing the values of western culture to unwashed hordes of Africa!

Oh, hey, did you know there were blacks that sold black slaves to white? Shameful display, I say!

(Some things are worse than slavery. The blatant genocide in the Belgian Congo was one of these things.)
 
2020-06-30 1:09:39 PM  
The unusual thing about Belgium and Congo is that the Congo wasn't treated as a 'standard' European colony, but as the overseas personal property of the Belgian king himself.

And even among colonies, Congo was probably the most brutal one of all.  Large-scale institutionalized kidnapping of children as forced laborers, which chopping off hands and other body parts as standard punishment for pretty much anything, including failure to meet quotas.
 
2020-06-30 1:14:52 PM  
So are we thinking he waffled on his apology?
 
2020-06-30 1:22:49 PM  

capt.snicklefritz: What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.

Get a load of this asshole.


Right?!  I mean everyone knows blacks don't have the agency to do these sorts of things.  Only the white man can profit from pain.  The world was filled with noble savages before the white man enslaved and killed everyone.  It is to laugh
 
2020-06-30 1:27:11 PM  

wakizashi: capt.snicklefritz: What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.

Get a load of this asshole.

Right?!  I mean everyone knows blacks don't have the agency to do these sorts of things.  Only the white man can profit from pain.  The world was filled with noble savages before the white man enslaved and killed everyone.  It is to laugh


What's cool is that neither of you have the slightest inkling of an idea of why people hate King Leopold, but you felt the need to chime in with your thoughts anyway.
 
2020-06-30 1:32:40 PM  

pkjun: wakizashi: capt.snicklefritz: What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.

Get a load of this asshole.

Right?!  I mean everyone knows blacks don't have the agency to do these sorts of things.  Only the white man can profit from pain.  The world was filled with noble savages before the white man enslaved and killed everyone.  It is to laugh

What's cool is that neither of you have the slightest inkling of an idea of why people hate King Leopold, but you felt the need to chime in with your thoughts anyway.


Have you atoned and given reparations for your ancestors that no doubt committed a crime sometime somewhere?  Until then, you aren't allowed to speak.
 
2020-06-30 1:35:16 PM  

pkjun: people hate King Leopold


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2020-06-30 2:07:29 PM  

pkjun: wakizashi: capt.snicklefritz: What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.

Get a load of this asshole.

Right?!  I mean everyone knows blacks don't have the agency to do these sorts of things.  Only the white man can profit from pain.  The world was filled with noble savages before the white man enslaved and killed everyone.  It is to laugh

What's cool is that neither of you have the slightest inkling of an idea of why people hate King Leopold, but you felt the need to chime in with your thoughts anyway.


I knew why people hated King Leopold II of Belgium long before this. He was one of the most contemptible European monarchs ever, and earned every bit of the hate sent his way. After his army conquered the place, it became his own private property, and everyone (who was not a white European) living there also got declared his own private property, and he treated the people there at least as bad as any Russian noble treated their serfs... on a good day for Leopold II's slaves.
 
2020-06-30 2:10:27 PM  

geggam: Apologizing for last centuries society when comparing it to this centuries society is idiotic

I demand all blacks quit using the word slave since that is a white race word. 

Comes from the word Slavic since whites were the original slaves we need to come up with a different power word for the blacks 

Does that seem silly to you ?


White people should never have to apologize for anything.
We're too white to say we're sorry.
How would you know?
Why should you care?
Please don't bother trying to blame us.
We're not there.
 
2020-06-30 2:10:55 PM  
I suspect the reality is more along the lines of "Ge I sure am embarrassed about how my great great grand-pappy  obtained his wealth. but ain't no farkin way I'm about to apologize or give up so much as a gold coin of it.

If it were still legal he would be doing it today without a second thought, of that I have no doubt.
 
2020-06-30 2:12:48 PM  

GhostOfSavageHenry: I suspect the reality is more along the lines of "Ge I sure am embarrassed about how my great great grand-pappy  obtained his wealth. but ain't no farkin way I'm about to apologize or give up so much as a gold coin of it.

If it were still legal he would be doing it today without a second thought, of that I have no doubt.


This: People who have no shame about what their ancestors have done would do it again, you may be sure.
 
2020-06-30 2:18:26 PM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.


How is this related to the history of the Belgian Congo ?
 
2020-06-30 2:25:59 PM  

joker420: BKITU: joker420: All slaves that came from Africa were owned by a black man first, BTW

Well, that's certainly irrelevant to the thread, but thanks for exposing yourself.

Yeah! gotta hate facts.


Belgians invented French fries. This is also a fact. It is also entirely irrelevant to this thread. Just like your fact.
 
2020-06-30 2:34:54 PM  

Robo Beat: Mad_Radhu: the rudest word in the universe

What, "Belgium"?


"Hallmark"?
 
2020-06-30 2:39:27 PM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.


A) So buying slaves is cool so long as someone else is selling?

B) what the FARK does that have to do with what happened in the Belgian Congo?   Clearly you have no clue what occurred there and need to at least read the Wikipedia entry before coming back to talk at the grown-ups table
 
2020-06-30 2:44:34 PM  

ClavellBCMI: pkjun: wakizashi: capt.snicklefritz: What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.

Get a load of this asshole.

Right?!  I mean everyone knows blacks don't have the agency to do these sorts of things.  Only the white man can profit from pain.  The world was filled with noble savages before the white man enslaved and killed everyone.  It is to laugh

What's cool is that neither of you have the slightest inkling of an idea of why people hate King Leopold, but you felt the need to chime in with your thoughts anyway.

I knew why people hated King Leopold II of Belgium long before this. He was one of the most contemptible European monarchs ever, and earned every bit of the hate sent his way. After his army conquered the place, it became his own private property, and everyone (who was not a white European) living there also got declared his own private property, and he treated the people there at least as bad as any Russian noble treated their serfs... on a good day for Leopold II's slaves.


Oh MUCH MUCh worse than that.  Even Ivan the Terrible doesn't even get CLOSE to being as cruel as Leopold.   His private army was under strict instructions to render up one hand of a rebel for each round they expended.  Since battles aren't really "one shot one kill" affairs, the "hand deficit" was made up by lopping limbs off anyone who happened to be nearby.

Congolese were forbidden from growing their own food or foraging for it, under pain of death or  flogging, and the only way they could get even the starvation level rations Leopold gave them was by meeting increasingly impossible rubber quotas (failure to meet quota also earned you a beating or the loss of a foot)
 
2020-06-30 2:45:04 PM  
Sorry, Not My Fault! My families came into the US at Ellis Island in the 1890's. All poor Polocks & Germans from Europe. So we had Nothing to do with it all.
 
2020-06-30 2:49:25 PM  
ITT: Multiple fragile idiots assuming that the story is about American slavery, and jumping in all butthurt about it because "IT WASN'T ME!" and "BLACKS OWNED SLAVES TOO!" to protect their fragility.

Makes my day watching the trash bag itself for removal.
 
2020-06-30 2:53:21 PM  

wakizashi: capt.snicklefritz: What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.

Get a load of this asshole.

Right?!  I mean everyone knows blacks don't have the agency to do these sorts of things.  Only the white man can profit from pain.  The world was filled with noble savages before the white man enslaved and killed everyone.  It is to laugh


The "Africans sold other Africans" canard is the last refuge of the White Supremacist.  because

1) It's largely not True. The Majority of Slaves in the Transatlantic slave trade were captured by gangs of Portuguese or Arab salve traders who had the advantages of guns and ships and cannons which the natives did not.

2) to the extent that Slavery existed in Africa before the Transatlantic trade; it was more akin to being a POW.   Men captured in war were taken as 'slaves" and worked for a few years before they were freed, and usually settled down with a nice girl from their new village.  It's primary function seems to have been to increase genetic diversity and prevent inbreeding among tribes.  When Europeans bought slaves from African tribal chiefs by and large this is what the seller was expecting would happen.   That they would be brutally dragged 1,000's of miles away with only a 50-50 chance of surviving the trip and then be a slave for their entire lifetime and the lifetime of all their descendants wasn't something the Chiefs could comprehend until too late
 
2020-06-30 2:55:52 PM  

ClavellBCMI: pkjun: wakizashi: capt.snicklefritz: What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.

Get a load of this asshole.

Right?!  I mean everyone knows blacks don't have the agency to do these sorts of things.  Only the white man can profit from pain.  The world was filled with noble savages before the white man enslaved and killed everyone.  It is to laugh

What's cool is that neither of you have the slightest inkling of an idea of why people hate King Leopold, but you felt the need to chime in with your thoughts anyway.When

I knew why people hated King Leopold II of Belgium long before this. He was one of the most contemptible European monarchs ever, and earned every bit of the hate sent his way. After his army conquered the place, it became his own private property, and everyone (who was not a white European) living there also got declared his own private property, and he treated the people there at least as bad as any Russian noble treated their serfs... on a good day for Leopold II's slaves.


When Your behavior is so appalling that the French and the British, both at the height of their own colonialism and racism, threaten to invade your country and depose your King themselves if you don;t put an immediate end to what's going on...welll you've crossed EVERY Line
 
2020-06-30 2:56:53 PM  

Excelsior: The unusual thing about Belgium and Congo is that the Congo wasn't treated as a 'standard' European colony, but as the overseas personal property of the Belgian king himself.

And even among colonies, Congo was probably the most brutal one of all.  Large-scale institutionalized kidnapping of children as forced laborers, which chopping off hands and other body parts as standard punishment for pretty much anything, including failure to meet quotas.


Leopold was literally the guy for whom the term "crimes against humanity" was coined.
In the 19th century.
By other colony holding states.
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I can't think of a better person to stop glorifying than a guy who exterminated more humans than Hitler and Pol Pot combined, and did it all without modern automation, communication, weapons, or technology.
 
2020-06-30 3:04:42 PM  

Magorn: The "Africans sold other Africans" canard is the last refuge of the White Supremacist.  because


Also the nation of Benin which was a major player in the African slave trade has fully acknowledged its role and made apologies and is not shying away from its duty.  e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/w​orld/a​frica/an-african-country-reckons-with-​its-history-of-selling-slaves/2018/01/​29/5234f5aa-ff9a-11e7-86b9-8908743c79d​d_story.html
 
2020-06-30 3:06:28 PM  

Dryad: I can't think of a better person to stop glorifying than a guy who exterminated more humans than Hitler and Pol Pot combined


Er... care to show your math on that?
 
2020-06-30 3:09:23 PM  

jso2897: White people should never have to apologize for anything.


This very statement is racist. 

The ONLY people who should apologize are those who do wrong

Your racist ass is on here posting anti white shiat and most likely 100% of the white folks on this forum alone havent every done you wrong 

But go on with your victim mentality
 
2020-06-30 3:28:18 PM  

Magorn: wakizashi: capt.snicklefritz: What_Would_Jimi_Do: It isn't like Africans enslaved other Africans and then brokered them to whites. Nope.

Get a load of this asshole.

Right?!  I mean everyone knows blacks don't have the agency to do these sorts of things.  Only the white man can profit from pain.  The world was filled with noble savages before the white man enslaved and killed everyone.  It is to laugh

The "Africans sold other Africans" canard is the last refuge of the White Supremacist.  because


So you are saying that native Africans did not participate in the slave trade?
Would it surprise you to know that I am not white?

1) It's largely not True. The Majority of Slaves in the Transatlantic slave trade were captured by gangs of Portuguese or Arab salve traders who had the advantages of guns and ships and cannons which the natives did not.


See above:  Also the nation of Benin which was a major player in the African slave trade has fully acknowledged its role and made apologies and is not shying away from its duty.  e.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/w​orld/a​frica/an-african-country-reckons-with-​its-history-of-selling-slaves/2018/01/​29/5234f5aa-ff9a-11e7-86b9-8908743c79d​d_story.html

2) to the extent that Slavery existed in Africa before the Transatlantic trade; it was more akin to being a POW.   Men captured in war were taken as 'slaves" and worked for a few years before they were freed, and usually settled down with a nice girl from their new village.  It's primary function seems to have been to increase genetic diversity and prevent inbreeding among tribes.  When Europeans bought slaves from African tribal chiefs by and large this is what the seller was expecting would happen.   That they would be brutally dragged 1,000's of miles away with only a 50-50 chance of surviving the trip and then be a slave for their entire lifetime and the lifetime of all their descendants wasn't something the Chiefs could comprehend until too late

The cognitive dissonance here is thick
 
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