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2020-06-30 12:19:59 AM  
"Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark
 
2020-06-30 12:26:46 AM  
RIP right to assembly
RIP free press
RIP independent judiciary
RIP open communication/collaboration to those outside China

aka One Country Two Systems, what let Hong Kong be Hong Kong
 
2020-06-30 12:35:35 AM  
Your move, Boris.
 
2020-06-30 12:44:17 AM  
Time to bomb the Spratleys.
 
2020-06-30 12:50:16 AM  
Housing prices in Vancouver are about to go even more thru the roof
 
2020-06-30 1:03:57 AM  

whither_apophis: Housing prices in Vancouver are about to go even more thru the roof


In Vancouver. Since the protests started, the number of Hongkongers on Tinder (but browsing in Van) has been nuts. Especially for the past month or two
 
2020-06-30 1:19:06 AM  
Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous
 
2020-06-30 1:25:09 AM  

Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous


Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.
 
2020-06-30 1:28:09 AM  

phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.


This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(
 
2020-06-30 2:08:12 AM  
"Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

And lollygagging.

/ Also I first read that as "cuddling."
// I might want to ease back on the gin.
 
2020-06-30 2:08:39 AM  
Well that's enough doomscrolling for one day, I guess.
 
2020-06-30 2:08:58 AM  
I hope we get something in the trade deal out of the blind eye we'll turn, but it'll probably just be a trump hotel somewhere.
 
2020-06-30 2:09:58 AM  

silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(


Britain should have said "Sure, we'll return Hong Kong to the original owners. Let us know where we can find the Qing Dynasty."
 
2020-06-30 2:10:26 AM  
Huh Duh
 
2020-06-30 2:13:47 AM  
I doubt the citizens of Hong Kong are going to submit quietly. Will be very interesting watch these coming days.
 
2020-06-30 2:15:58 AM  
So, are they just New North Korea now or what?

Either way, if anyone there has the means time to pull out.  Looks like pretty soon only three types of people will live there, those giving orders, those following them to oppress people and the oppressed.

Hell, they're probably there already.
 
2020-06-30 2:17:09 AM  
Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.
 
2020-06-30 2:18:34 AM  

Sin'sHero: Time to bomb the Spratleys.


and the Paracels
 
2020-06-30 2:18:35 AM  

Underwater Bystander: I doubt the citizens of Hong Kong are going to submit quietly. Will be very interesting watch these coming days.


Unfortunately, China will get away with this for the same reason they probably won't put up much of a fight: covid.

There's a reason that the authoritarian dictatorship that is the CCP is doing this NOW - anyone that would've gotten in the way is now mired in fighting Covid and double digit unemployment and 10/20/30 percent crashes in GDP.
 
2020-06-30 2:19:09 AM  
Taiwan take note - you're next.

Here in NZ and around the world we sell land to Chinese interests instead of granting then long term leases, so stupid.
 
2020-06-30 2:19:24 AM  
Phooey.
 
2020-06-30 2:21:16 AM  

John Hopoate: Taiwan take note - you're next.

Here in NZ and around the world we sell land to Chinese interests instead of granting then long term leases, so stupid.


Some nations recognize Taiwan as its own sovereign country. Hong Kong was not. So Taiwan is in a more powerful position.
 
2020-06-30 2:24:17 AM  
Bet Macau is getting real nervous.
 
2020-06-30 2:24:55 AM  
Well, I'm glad I got to visit Hong Kong when I did. Definitely won't be going again now.
 
2020-06-30 2:25:47 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: John Hopoate: Taiwan take note - you're next.

Here in NZ and around the world we sell land to Chinese interests instead of granting then long term leases, so stupid.

Some nations recognize Taiwan as its own sovereign country. Hong Kong was not. So Taiwan is in a more powerful position.


including such big hitters as Guatemala and Swaziland.  Yeah, Taiwan is next.
 
2020-06-30 2:27:59 AM  
2020, the year that keeps on giving.

Anyone got a list of actors/singers/writers/sport teams they expected to get wiped out?  It would be fitting with the year...
 
2020-06-30 2:28:37 AM  
Now watch Trump react to the news by doing..........jack sh*t about it.
 
2020-06-30 2:29:20 AM  

GrogSmash: 2020, the year that keeps on giving.

Anyone got a list of actors/singers/writers/sport teams they expected to get wiped out?  It would be fitting with the year...


Yeah, this year sucks a fat cock so far.
 
2020-06-30 2:29:30 AM  
Guess it's time to rekindle the protests.
 
2020-06-30 2:31:06 AM  

pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.


Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*
 
2020-06-30 2:31:37 AM  

silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(


It is not like the Brits did not colonize all of China.
The things that propped Hong Kong up were Capitalism and genuine Democracy.
To see what China would look like with those things take a look at Taiwan.
No colonialism was needed there.
 
2020-06-30 2:32:12 AM  

erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*


Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.
 
2020-06-30 2:32:41 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: Bet Macau is getting real nervous.


Nope. Macau has prospered incredibly under Chinese rule. Apples and oranges. Even the colonial occupation country was different.

/Although I am annoyed that they turned the islands into a peninsula.
 
2020-06-30 2:34:52 AM  
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2020-06-30 2:42:50 AM  

Boojum2k: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.


Keep wanking. SURELY one of these days angry civilians with guns will stop government oppression (as opposed to the historical norm of enthusiastically joining in it).

Just like how SURELY one of these days a random unprepared civilian with a gun will actually stop a mass shooting.
 
2020-06-30 2:48:47 AM  
Any bets they'll move on Taiwan by the end of the year?
 
2020-06-30 2:52:12 AM  

erik-k: Underwater Bystander: I doubt the citizens of Hong Kong are going to submit quietly. Will be very interesting watch these coming days.

Unfortunately, China will get away with this for the same reason they probably won't put up much of a fight: covid.

There's a reason that the authoritarian dictatorship that is the CCP is doing this NOW - anyone that would've gotten in the way is now mired in fighting Covid and double digit unemployment and 10/20/30 percent crashes in GDP.


And here in lies the hidden reason covid was unleashed.
Always look under the blanket when stuff is too bizarre to fathom.
The snafu was it made it's way to the biggest dipcrap mentality peoples of our great US of A... non mask wearing orange man believing morans...I doubt the Chinese gov really meant to kill the world, they just wanted Hong Kong in their clutches and other countries were the collateral damage that happened.

/I hate this Earth
//Won't be sad when my days on this poop show of a planet end
///3 × 1 Billion sick of EVERYTHING
 
2020-06-30 2:55:15 AM  

erik-k: Boojum2k: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Keep wanking. SURELY one of these days angry civilians with guns will stop government oppression (as opposed to the historical norm of enthusiastically joining in it).

Just like how SURELY one of these days a random unprepared civilian with a gun will actually stop a mass shooting.


Mass shootings have been stopped by an armed bystander before.

But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.
 
2020-06-30 3:00:07 AM  

Straight Outta Hate: silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(

It is not like the Brits did not colonize all of China.
The things that propped Hong Kong up were Capitalism and genuine Democracy.
To see what China would look like with those things take a look at Taiwan.
No colonialism was needed there.


Are you for real dude? Taiwan was a Japanese colony for fifty years, and after that was a single-party military dictatorship with US financial and military support for another 40. Taiwan didn't become a democracy until 1996.

Taiwan's economic growth rate since 1990 is virtually identical to China's. The only difference is that Taiwan had a massive head start in terms of industrial capital and infrastructure, because Taiwan spent a century as a forward operating base for the Japanese and American colonial and neocolonial empires.

/The Brits did not "colonise all of China"
//They colonised Singapore and Hong Kong, and an archipelago of concessions in port cities and used them to exert economic dominance over China
///Money flowed out of China, into HK, and from HK into the Empire.
 
2020-06-30 3:00:07 AM  
Does this mean we will get the Panama Canal Zone back?
 
2020-06-30 3:00:12 AM  

Boojum2k: Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.


Boojum2k: Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.


You almost had me, but then you screwed up the metaphor.  Who polishes the heel?  What on earth would be the point of polishing a boot heel?  It's like you're not even thinking about what you're saying, you're just trying to say "boot" and "lick" as often as possible.
 
2020-06-30 3:03:29 AM  
:,-(

鄭秀文 - 薩拉熱窩的羅密歐與茱麗葉 Sammi Cheng - Romeo and Juliet of Sarajevo (1994) English Translation
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If you click play and then click the CC button you'll get English subtitles (if you need them).

One of the most popular Cantopop karaoke songs of all time.

/mmm Cheng Sau-man
//Cantopop for the win
///allegedly the Chinese government is leaning on Sammi Cheng and telling her to keep her mouth shut or else "something" might happen to her family
 
2020-06-30 3:04:31 AM  

Boojum2k: But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."


Well, except for all of those who rely on a heavily armed partisan paramilitary to enforce their rule, which are globally much more common than those who have disarmed the population.

And come to think of it, most of the countries that have disarmed their populations are wealthy, peaceful and democratic countries, many of which have higher quality of life rankings and better democratic health indicators than the US does.

Sorry, yeah, anyway, back to shaking your head at China for crushing Hong Kong protests with like a quarter of the fury American cops have unleashed on American citizens over the past month.
 
2020-06-30 3:05:21 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: Boojum2k: Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Boojum2k: Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.

You almost had me, but then you screwed up the metaphor.  Who polishes the heel?  What on earth would be the point of polishing a boot heel?  It's like you're not even thinking about what you're saying, you're just trying to say "boot" and "lick" as often as possible.


Libs say it to conservatives who defend police violence, so he's cargo-culting the phrase.
 
2020-06-30 3:15:05 AM  

phalamir: Dude, HK is part of China.

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And someday the entire planet will just be "part of China."
 
2020-06-30 3:20:51 AM  

NephilimNexus: phalamir: Dude, HK is part of China.

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And someday the entire planet will just be "part of China."


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"Watch out, I hear that guy over there might be expansionist"
 
2020-06-30 3:21:04 AM  

phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.


If you listen to some Hongkongers, they speak of one country, two systems and the basic law, as if that agreement didn't have a defined end date and purposely vague carve outs to allow Mainland China to interfere as the CCP saw fit. It's not surprising random farkers think this is akin to one country invading another neighboring one.

Frankly, the way HK has been acting to the extradition bill and the fears about revolution at the forefront of the CCP's concerns, Beijing is correct in taking advantage of the global situation and solving the issue now instead of letting the problem fester until 2047.

/Before anyone claims otherwise, I'm far from a Beijing supporter, the simple truth is the writing was on the wall once mainland China industrialized and HK's importance to the nations total gdp was drastically reduced
 
2020-06-30 3:21:09 AM  

pkjun: apocryphaandmyth: Boojum2k: Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Boojum2k: Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.

You almost had me, but then you screwed up the metaphor.  Who polishes the heel?  What on earth would be the point of polishing a boot heel?  It's like you're not even thinking about what you're saying, you're just trying to say "boot" and "lick" as often as possible.

Libs say it to conservatives who defend police violence, so he's cargo-culting the phrase.


I finally understand what women feel like when they get man-splained at.

Thank you!
 
2020-06-30 3:22:26 AM  
 
2020-06-30 3:28:59 AM  

silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(


I always felt it very ironic that at the very beginning of the process, way before the 1997 handover, guess who first reminded the other party and the world that the lease was coming to an end?

Britain, ever the honourable party in the relationship, was the one who first brought up the fact the lease was running out.

I have often wondered what would have happened if Britain had just kept its' big mouth shut.
 
2020-06-30 3:29:35 AM  

pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.


Damn, that's harsh even for China.  At least they can still run away.
 
2020-06-30 3:31:02 AM  

erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*


Kaiser Wilhelm allegedly offered to support Mexico if they wanted to take Texas back during WW1. The best guess as to why they didn't take him up on it was how heavily armed the Texans were. So, maybe twice.
 
2020-06-30 3:31:07 AM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Now watch Trump react to the news by doing..........jack sh*t about it.


Had Hilary been president Hong Kong would already be part of the UK again.
 
2020-06-30 3:32:52 AM  

pkjun: Straight Outta Hate: silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(

It is not like the Brits did not colonize all of China.
The things that propped Hong Kong up were Capitalism and genuine Democracy.
To see what China would look like with those things take a look at Taiwan.
No colonialism was needed there.

Are you for real dude? Taiwan was a Japanese colony for fifty years, and after that was a single-party military dictatorship with US financial and military support for another 40. Taiwan didn't become a democracy until 1996.

Taiwan's economic growth rate since 1990 is virtually identical to China's. The only difference is that Taiwan had a massive head start in terms of industrial capital and infrastructure, because Taiwan spent a century as a forward operating base for the Japanese and American colonial and neocolonial empires.

/The Brits did not "colonise all of China"
//They colonised Singapore and Hong Kong, and an archipelago of concessions in port cities and used them to exert economic dominance over China
///Money flowed out of China, into HK, and from HK into the Empire.


the brits outright owned a small portion of HK and leased the rest. 

pkjun: NephilimNexus: phalamir: Dude, HK is part of China.

[media-amazon.com image 491x706]

And someday the entire planet will just be "part of China."

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"Watch out, I hear that guy over there might be expansionist"


Dude, America spreads "freedom", it definitely doesn't topple democratic governments and install brutal puppet dictatorships, destabilizing otherwise functioning countries, or force countries to change national policies beneficial to its citizens on threat of invasion, so American companies can steal other countries wealth to the detriment of native populations.
 
2020-06-30 3:33:07 AM  

pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.


Even when dis-armed, they still can be dangerous

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2020-06-30 3:39:25 AM  

Me so thorny: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Kaiser Wilhelm allegedly offered to support Mexico if they wanted to take Texas back during WW1. The best guess as to why they didn't take him up on it was how heavily armed the Texans were. So, maybe twice.


I mean that and the fact that the US was an industrial juggernaut that was about to pour an average of ten thousand soldiers a day into Europe, while Mexico was wracked by civil war and unable to put down bandit armies that rarely numbered more than five to ten thousand raggedy-ass cowboys.

That might have had something to do with it.

But it could have also been that Texans are rootin-tootin six-shootin sons of guns. That might have been it too.
 
2020-06-30 3:57:44 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: Boojum2k: Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Boojum2k: Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.

You almost had me, but then you screwed up the metaphor.  Who polishes the heel?  What on earth would be the point of polishing a boot heel?  It's like you're not even thinking about what you're saying, you're just trying to say "boot" and "lick" as often as possible.


Not getting involved in your internet argument, but once upon a time, when I wore black polished boots and camo for work every day, I polished the whole boot.  Heel and everything.  We even had a special product for the heal to make it extra black and shiny.
 
2020-06-30 4:03:51 AM  

Tanqueray: Your move, Boris.


"La la la, i'm not listening la la la" is his ballpark.
 
2020-06-30 4:12:17 AM  

pkjun: Me so thorny: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Kaiser Wilhelm allegedly offered to support Mexico if they wanted to take Texas back during WW1. The best guess as to why they didn't take him up on it was how heavily armed the Texans were. So, maybe twice.

I mean that and the fact that the US was an industrial juggernaut that was about to pour an average of ten thousand soldiers a day into Europe, while Mexico was wracked by civil war and unable to put down bandit armies that rarely numbered more than five to ten thousand raggedy-ass cowboys.

That might have had something to do with it.

But it could have also been that Texans are rootin-tootin six-shootin sons of guns. That might have been it too.


Like...do Texans actually learn that it was their six-shootin' rough-ridin' cowpokes who made the Mexicans decide not to invade America in 1917?

In 1914, a US Navy officer was mad that some of his drunk sailors trespassing on a Mexican base in Tampico were temporarily arrested and detained for questioning before being returned to the US fleet, so he demanded a formal state apology and a 21-gun salute to the American flag. He got the apology but not the salute, so the United States Navy invaded and occupied Veracruz for five months as punishment.

And Mexico could do absolutely nothing about it.

A few years later, Pancho Villa raided a border town in Texas, so General Pershing led a major expedition through Mexico on a manhunt, brushing aside Mexican complaints about its sovereignty as America occupied huge swathes of northern Mexico in a futile attempt to find the bandit revolutionary.

And again, Mexico could do nothing about it.

And then America decides to enter WWI and goes full Hulk Mode, training and equipping and deploying 300,000 fresh soldiers every month.

And Germany is like "hey uh Mexico, America looks pretty scary right now, any chance you want to take 'em on 1:1 right now I'll let you keep anything you take".

And Mexico is like "lol wtf dude I'm just trying to keep the same government in power for six months without getting invaded, no way I'm invading America, how do you even imagine that would work, we're afraid to sneeze too loudly because it might trigger a third American occupation in five years, those guys are terrifying."

And Texans are apparently like "if it weren't for our six-shooters Mexico would have conquered us in 1917?" Is this a thing they're taught?
 
2020-06-30 4:12:31 AM  

pkjun: NephilimNexus: phalamir: Dude, HK is part of China.

[media-amazon.com image 491x706]

And someday the entire planet will just be "part of China."

[i.imgur.com image 850x622]

"Watch out, I hear that guy over there might be expansionist"


I think the point is China is currently using 1800s US style cries of "unity" to eviscerate both urban and rural sociopolitical opponents... and, you know, ethnic and religious minorities, but that's another problem altogether.
 
2020-06-30 4:12:43 AM  
2020 just continues to deliver, doesn't it?

Let's give 2020 a big hand!


/I haven't had this much suck in one year since I came out in college.
 
2020-06-30 4:15:17 AM  
Wasn't this meant to happen decades in the future? oh yeah right China ... !
 
2020-06-30 4:18:09 AM  
China is hungry for more fools on their plate. Sigh...
 
2020-06-30 4:27:19 AM  
Hong Kong is the 2020 version of 1968 Czechoslovakia. We never had any intention of helping, it's all political bluffing meant for the domestic audience.
 
2020-06-30 4:39:00 AM  

Nadie_AZ: "Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark


The only way China even thinks about reversing course is if the financial/business world threatens to take their banking and manufacturing money elsewhere.
 
2020-06-30 4:42:10 AM  

pkjun: Straight Outta Hate: silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(

It is not like the Brits did not colonize all of China.
The things that propped Hong Kong up were Capitalism and genuine Democracy.
To see what China would look like with those things take a look at Taiwan.
No colonialism was needed there.

Are you for real dude? Taiwan was a Japanese colony for fifty years, and after that was a single-party military dictatorship with US financial and military support for another 40. Taiwan didn't become a democracy until 1996.

Taiwan's economic growth rate since 1990 is virtually identical to China's. The only difference is that Taiwan had a massive head start in terms of industrial capital and infrastructure, because Taiwan spent a century as a forward operating base for the Japanese and American colonial and neocolonial empires.

/The Brits did not "colonise all of China"
//They colonised Singapore and Hong Kong, and an archipelago of concessions in port cities and used them to exert economic dominance over China
///Money flowed out of China, into HK, and from HK into the Empire.


Are you for this secret law stripping Hong Kongers of their rights? Or against it?
 
2020-06-30 4:42:12 AM  

Squik2: RIP right to assembly
RIP free press
RIP independent judiciary
RIP open communication/collaboration to those outside China

aka One Country Two Systems, what let Hong Kong be Hong Kong


Harmonious Society. This, above all else, is the Chinese way.

/It's like looking into America's political future.
 
2020-06-30 4:44:05 AM  

Heliodorus: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

If you listen to some Hongkongers, they speak of one country, two systems and the basic law, as if that agreement didn't have a defined end date and purposely vague carve outs to allow Mainland China to interfere as the CCP saw fit. It's not surprising random farkers think this is akin to one country invading another neighboring one.

Frankly, the way HK has been acting to the extradition bill and the fears about revolution at the forefront of the CCP's concerns, Beijing is correct in taking advantage of the global situation and solving the issue now instead of letting the problem fester until 2047.

/Before anyone claims otherwise, I'm far from a Beijing supporter, the simple truth is the writing was on the wall once mainland China industrialized and HK's importance to the nations total gdp was drastically reduced


Great support of the Party!
5 social credits have been added to your score!
 
2020-06-30 5:00:17 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: John Hopoate: Taiwan take note - you're next.

Here in NZ and around the world we sell land to Chinese interests instead of granting then long term leases, so stupid.

Some nations recognize Taiwan as its own sovereign country. Hong Kong was not. So Taiwan is in a more powerful position.


TAIWAIN #1
 
2020-06-30 5:16:46 AM  
I went back and looked - our resident Chinese bot hasn't made a comment in this thread.

Looking back on it, England should never have given back Hong Kong, they should have said "Ummm No, now what are you going to do about it?"
 
2020-06-30 5:35:23 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: pkjun: Straight Outta Hate: silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(

It is not like the Brits did not colonize all of China.
The things that propped Hong Kong up were Capitalism and genuine Democracy.
To see what China would look like with those things take a look at Taiwan.
No colonialism was needed there.

Are you for real dude? Taiwan was a Japanese colony for fifty years, and after that was a single-party military dictatorship with US financial and military support for another 40. Taiwan didn't become a democracy until 1996.

Taiwan's economic growth rate since 1990 is virtually identical to China's. The only difference is that Taiwan had a massive head start in terms of industrial capital and infrastructure, because Taiwan spent a century as a forward operating base for the Japanese and American colonial and neocolonial empires.

/The Brits did not "colonise all of China"
//They colonised Singapore and Hong Kong, and an archipelago of concessions in port cities and used them to exert economic dominance over China
///Money flowed out of China, into HK, and from HK into the Empire.

Are you for this secret law stripping Hong Kongers of their rights? Or against it?


Against it, of course. But it doesn't really matter what I think about it, does it? I'm not involved. I'm more interested in the role my own country is playing. Aren't you?
 
2020-06-30 5:58:02 AM  

Boojum2k: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.


I'm always reminded of the shootout scene in The Book of Eli.
Once the RPG comes out, game over.

/or the Predator drone; your choice
 
2020-06-30 6:05:41 AM  

stray_capts: apocryphaandmyth: Boojum2k: Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Boojum2k: Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.

You almost had me, but then you screwed up the metaphor.  Who polishes the heel?  What on earth would be the point of polishing a boot heel?  It's like you're not even thinking about what you're saying, you're just trying to say "boot" and "lick" as often as possible.

Not getting involved in your internet argument, but once upon a time, when I wore black polished boots and camo for work every day, I polished the whole boot.  Heel and everything.  We even had a special product for the heal to make it extra black and shiny.


Yeah, but he read a book...lol
 
2020-06-30 6:06:39 AM  
This is how democracy is weakened globally, as democracies are defeated, one by one.

It's a terrible situation. It's terrible that the US has essentially no government.

But unfortunately, this has been almost inevitable, as China rises to the world's greatest power this century.

This is just one speed bump of many against democracy. The romantic days of people fighting for democracy and winning are likely no longer.

We've gotten a little taste as unmarked police attacked peaceful protesters in DC for a photo op.
 
2020-06-30 6:08:30 AM  

pkjun: Commander Lysdexic: pkjun: Straight Outta Hate: silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(

It is not like the Brits did not colonize all of China.
The things that propped Hong Kong up were Capitalism and genuine Democracy.
To see what China would look like with those things take a look at Taiwan.
No colonialism was needed there.

Are you for real dude? Taiwan was a Japanese colony for fifty years, and after that was a single-party military dictatorship with US financial and military support for another 40. Taiwan didn't become a democracy until 1996.

Taiwan's economic growth rate since 1990 is virtually identical to China's. The only difference is that Taiwan had a massive head start in terms of industrial capital and infrastructure, because Taiwan spent a century as a forward operating base for the Japanese and American colonial and neocolonial empires.

/The Brits did not "colonise all of China"
//They colonised Singapore and Hong Kong, and an archipelago of concessions in port cities and used them to exert economic dominance over China
///Money flowed out of China, into HK, and from HK into the Empire.

Are you for this secret law stripping Hong Kongers of their rights? Or against it?

Against it, of course. But it doesn't really matter what I think about it, does it? I'm not involved. I'm more interested in the role my own country is playing. Aren't you?


You are all for anything that someone else does.
 
2020-06-30 6:14:00 AM  

GrogSmash: 2020, the year that keeps on giving.

Anyone got a list of actors/singers/writers/sport teams they expected to get wiped out?  It would be fitting with the year...


Never Forget
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Who?
 
2020-06-30 6:15:00 AM  
"....law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

How could that not have already been criminal offenses?
 
2020-06-30 6:17:06 AM  

pkjun: pkjun: Me so thorny: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Kaiser Wilhelm allegedly offered to support Mexico if they wanted to take Texas back during WW1. The best guess as to why they didn't take him up on it was how heavily armed the Texans were. So, maybe twice.

I mean that and the fact that the US was an industrial juggernaut that was about to pour an average of ten thousand soldiers a day into Europe, while Mexico was wracked by civil war and unable to put down bandit armies that rarely numbered more than five to ten thousand raggedy-ass cowboys.

That might have had something to do with it.

But it could have also been that Texans are rootin-tootin six-shootin sons of guns. That might have been it too.

Like...do Texans actually learn that it was their six-shootin' rough-ridin' cowpokes who made the Mexicans decide not to invade America in 1917?

In 1914, a US Navy officer was mad that some of his drunk sailors trespassing on a Mexican base in Tampico were temporarily arrested and detained for questioning before being returned to the US fleet, so he demanded a formal state apology and a 21-gun salute to the American flag. He got the apology but not the salute, so the United States Navy invaded and occupied Veracruz for five months as punishment.

And Mexico could do absolutely nothing about it.

A few years later, Pancho Villa raided a border town in Texas, so General Pershing led a major expedition through Mexico on a manhunt, brushing aside Mexican complaints about its sovereignty as America occupied huge swathes of northern Mexico in a futile attempt to find the bandit revolutionary.

And again, Mexico could do nothing about it.

And then America decides to enter WWI and goes full Hulk Mode, training and equipping and deploying 300,000 fresh soldiers every month.

And Germany is like "hey uh Mexico, America looks pretty scary right now, any chance you want to take 'em on 1:1 right now I'll let you keep anything you take".

And Mexico is like "lol wtf dude I'm just trying to keep the same government in power for six months without getting invaded, no way I'm invading America, how do you even imagine that would work, we're afraid to sneeze too loudly because it might trigger a third American occupation in five years, those guys are terrifying."

And Texans are apparently like "if it weren't for our six-shooters Mexico would have conquered us in 1917?" Is this a thing they're taught?


This will change.  Texas is going purple, then blue.  The change will be permanent.  The GOP is not reproducing, we are.  It is simple demographics.  Predominantly; the right leaning students in my classes are only children or from very small families.  the left leaning students come from very large families.  Year after year, I see the same thing.  The future is very bright
.
 
2020-06-30 6:17:33 AM  
I feel bad for Hong-Kong. But anyone in that city who had the means to leave as soon as Britain handed it back over to China should have done so. You were fooling yourself if you thought China was going to allow this 1 country 2 system policy.
 
2020-06-30 6:17:35 AM  

Straight Outta Hate: silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(

It is not like the Brits did not colonize all of China.
The things that propped Hong Kong up were Capitalism and genuine Democracy.
To see what China would look like with those things take a look at Taiwan.
No colonialism was needed there.


Genuine democracy? :) I don't think they could vote while they were a British colony.
 
2020-06-30 6:27:39 AM  

pkjun: Boojum2k: But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Well, except for all of those who rely on a heavily armed partisan paramilitary to enforce their rule, which are globally much more common than those who have disarmed the population.

And come to think of it, most of the countries that have disarmed their populations are wealthy, peaceful and democratic countries, many of which have higher quality of life rankings and better democratic health indicators than the US does.

Sorry, yeah, anyway, back to shaking your head at China for crushing Hong Kong protests with like a quarter of the fury American cops have unleashed on American citizens over the past month.


You're always so predictable.

One or two reasonable-sounding posts, then you start posting bullshiat about how the CCP and its minions are basically similar to other peaceful democracies etc. etc  etc.

There is no democracy today that remotely approximates human rights abuses in China.  Stop making invidious comparisons and spreading lies, China Tool.
 
2020-06-30 6:30:41 AM  

phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.


Hey, Adolf, didn't you used to think Poland was part of Germany, as well?
 
2020-06-30 6:39:20 AM  

bfh0417: pkjun: Commander Lysdexic: pkjun: Straight Outta Hate: silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(

It is not like the Brits did not colonize all of China.
The things that propped Hong Kong up were Capitalism and genuine Democracy.
To see what China would look like with those things take a look at Taiwan.
No colonialism was needed there.

Are you for real dude? Taiwan was a Japanese colony for fifty years, and after that was a single-party military dictatorship with US financial and military support for another 40. Taiwan didn't become a democracy until 1996.

Taiwan's economic growth rate since 1990 is virtually identical to China's. The only difference is that Taiwan had a massive head start in terms of industrial capital and infrastructure, because Taiwan spent a century as a forward operating base for the Japanese and American colonial and neocolonial empires.

/The Brits did not "colonise all of China"
//They colonised Singapore and Hong Kong, and an archipelago of concessions in port cities and used them to exert economic dominance over China
///Money flowed out of China, into HK, and from HK into the Empire.

Are you for this secret law stripping Hong Kongers of their rights? Or against it?

Against it, of course. But it doesn't really matter what I think about it, does it? I'm not involved. I'm more interested in the role my own country is playing. Aren't you?

You are all for anything that someone else does.


He's just trying to sound reasonable before he makes another pro-China post, emphasizing shades of gray. To convince you that the largest fascist dictatorship in the history of the world is using peaceful means to bring peace to HK, just like any peaceful democracy would use peaceful means to suppress free speech, imprison without trials, etc.

Wait
 
2020-06-30 6:41:28 AM  

hestheone: "....law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

How could that not have already been criminal offenses?


Because Hong Kong was treated like a separate country under its own law, which allowed for things like freedom of speech and assembly as it existed under the British. In an actual democracy you have to tolerate quite a bit of pushback from the people.
They were the victim of a water war and the original conflict-avoiding deal was that they'd remain semi independent. The hope is that this would rub off on China and make them more moderate.
...But socialist gonna communist, and now someone who complains about unfair treatment can be charged with "subversion". Marching against Chinese abuses is terrorism and succession.  Words no longer have the same meaning so they can whisk you away to a re-education camp if you refuse to fall in line with the party.

/A utopia on fark, a dystopia to the remaining free world.
 
2020-06-30 6:44:56 AM  
So, should we send them tens of billions of ping pong balls?

Why don't we laugh at "Second Amendment Solutions"?

Registration is a necessary precursor to confisgation.

Confisgation is a necessary precursor to genocide.

Lets see how well things turn out over there.

/Not giving up my guns
//they can't find them all
///brushes off his signed copy of John Ross's "Unintended Consequences"
 
2020-06-30 6:46:03 AM  

Langdon_777: I went back and looked - our resident Chinese bot hasn't made a comment in this thread.

Looking back on it, England should never have given back Hong Kong, they should have said "Ummm No, now what are you going to do about it?"


On one hand, China developed nukes in 1964 and ICBMs in the 80s and the stability of the CCP continued to rise year after year. On the other hand Britain's empire was in its death throes and it couldn't wage a war against China even if it wanted to. The third problem is that the part of HK that Britain actually owned is not self sustaining and the lease ran out on the new territories so there was nothing Britain could do while China could either invade at any point or stop food from reaching British controlled areas and watch as they literally starved to death. Also there was a growing quagmire between a movement for HK independence from both powers and people who wanted to return to China. So they went to the CCP and said, "Since you want it so bad, here's all of HK, it's your problem now. Just let us pretend that we are bowing out with dignity and care about the people in HK (who we actually care about so little we won't allow them to become British citizens and emigrate to the U.K.)"
 
2020-06-30 6:48:12 AM  
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2020-06-30 6:58:26 AM  

Animatronik: pkjun: Boojum2k: But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Well, except for all of those who rely on a heavily armed partisan paramilitary to enforce their rule, which are globally much more common than those who have disarmed the population.

And come to think of it, most of the countries that have disarmed their populations are wealthy, peaceful and democratic countries, many of which have higher quality of life rankings and better democratic health indicators than the US does.

Sorry, yeah, anyway, back to shaking your head at China for crushing Hong Kong protests with like a quarter of the fury American cops have unleashed on American citizens over the past month.

You're always so predictable.

One or two reasonable-sounding posts, then you start posting bullshiat about how the CCP and its minions are basically similar to other peaceful democracies etc. etc  etc.

There is no democracy today that remotely approximates human rights abuses in China.  Stop making invidious comparisons and spreading lies, China Tool.


"I agree with some of your opinions but disagree with other ones. Clearly this is evidence you are Chinese spy using insidious mind control tactics to confuse and fool the West through comments on a linkblog frequented by like two hundred people."
 
2020-06-30 6:59:01 AM  

phamwaa: Once the RPG comes out, game over.

/or the Predator drone; your choice


Once, someone in the fire department asked my wife why she had a British anti-tank weapon in the back of her car.  Her response:  It was too damned heavy to carry it up and down the stairs every weekend.

This is why I love her.  Well, that, and that she let me store a frigging rocket launcher in her car...

/Still waxes rhapsodic when watching "A Bridge Too Far" with the kids
 
2020-06-30 7:00:03 AM  
fark China, fark the Chinese government.  fark xi.
 
2020-06-30 7:06:53 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: John Hopoate: Taiwan take note - you're next.

Here in NZ and around the world we sell land to Chinese interests instead of granting then long term leases, so stupid.

Some nations recognize Taiwan as its own sovereign country. Hong Kong was not. So Taiwan is in a more powerful position.


No country in the world will defend Taiwan if it is taken over by China.
 
2020-06-30 7:09:47 AM  

poodebunker: erik-k: Underwater Bystander: I doubt the citizens of Hong Kong are going to submit quietly. Will be very interesting watch these coming days.

Unfortunately, China will get away with this for the same reason they probably won't put up much of a fight: covid.

There's a reason that the authoritarian dictatorship that is the CCP is doing this NOW - anyone that would've gotten in the way is now mired in fighting Covid and double digit unemployment and 10/20/30 percent crashes in GDP.

And here in lies the hidden reason covid was unleashed.
Always look under the blanket when stuff is too bizarre to fathom.
The snafu was it made it's way to the biggest dipcrap mentality peoples of our great US of A... non mask wearing orange man believing morans...I doubt the Chinese gov really meant to kill the world, they just wanted Hong Kong in their clutches and other countries were the collateral damage that happened.

/I hate this Earth
//Won't be sad when my days on this poop show of a planet end
///3 × 1 Billion sick of EVERYTHING


You've a farking idiot.
 
2020-06-30 7:10:37 AM  

Boojum2k: erik-k: Boojum2k: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Keep wanking. SURELY one of these days angry civilians with guns will stop government oppression (as opposed to the historical norm of enthusiastically joining in it).

Just like how SURELY one of these days a random unprepared civilian with a gun will actually stop a mass shooting.

Mass shootings have been stopped by an armed bystander before.

But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.


You've a farking idiot as well.
 
2020-06-30 7:14:22 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Bennie Crabtree: John Hopoate: Taiwan take note - you're next.

Here in NZ and around the world we sell land to Chinese interests instead of granting then long term leases, so stupid.

Some nations recognize Taiwan as its own sovereign country. Hong Kong was not. So Taiwan is in a more powerful position.

No country in the world will defend Taiwan if it is taken over by China.


Not with Trump as President. Bunker boy isn't starting a war with a nuclear power unless he's pushed into it by Congress.

China needs to be darn sure of itself though. Invading an island and maintaining a supply chain across a contested channel isn't easy, and the longer the fight goes on the more likely it becomes that America decides to intervene, at which point China would have no achievable war aims. They need to take the island in one go, whether that's because they decapitate the KMT and seize all of Taiwan in a matter of hours as a fait accompli or whether that's because because the Taiwanese accept reunification and don't resist.

But China is in no hurry. Why would they be? It's not like Taiwan is going anywhere, and the richer China gets the more closely integrated Taiwan will become purely through the force of capitalism.
 
2020-06-30 7:15:20 AM  

pkjun: Tyrone Slothrop: Bennie Crabtree: John Hopoate: Taiwan take note - you're next.

Here in NZ and around the world we sell land to Chinese interests instead of granting then long term leases, so stupid.

Some nations recognize Taiwan as its own sovereign country. Hong Kong was not. So Taiwan is in a more powerful position.

No country in the world will defend Taiwan if it is taken over by China.

Not with Trump as President. Bunker boy isn't starting a war with a nuclear power unless he's pushed into it by Congress.

China needs to be darn sure of itself though. Invading an island and maintaining a supply chain across a contested channel isn't easy, and the longer the fight goes on the more likely it becomes that America decides to intervene, at which point China would have no achievable war aims. They need to take the island in one go, whether that's because they decapitate the KMT and seize all of Taiwan in a matter of hours as a fait accompli or whether that's because because the Taiwanese accept reunification and don't resist.

But China is in no hurry. Why would they be? It's not like Taiwan is going anywhere, and the richer China gets the more closely integrated Taiwan will become purely through the force of capitalism.


Lol "the KMT" look at pkjun here posting from 1977
 
2020-06-30 7:17:01 AM  

pkjun: pkjun: Me so thorny: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Kaiser Wilhelm allegedly offered to support Mexico if they wanted to take Texas back during WW1. The best guess as to why they didn't take him up on it was how heavily armed the Texans were. So, maybe twice.

I mean that and the fact that the US was an industrial juggernaut that was about to pour an average of ten thousand soldiers a day into Europe, while Mexico was wracked by civil war and unable to put down bandit armies that rarely numbered more than five to ten thousand raggedy-ass cowboys.

That might have had something to do with it.

But it could have also been that Texans are rootin-tootin six-shootin sons of guns. That might have been it too.

Like...do Texans actually learn that it was their six-shootin' rough-ridin' cowpokes who made the Mexicans decide not to invade America in 1917?

In 1914, a US Navy officer was mad that some of his drunk sailors trespassing on a Mexican base in Tampico were temporarily arrested and detained for questioning before being returned to the US fleet, so he demanded a formal state apology and a 21-gun salute to the American flag. He got the apology but not the salute, so the United States Navy invaded and occupied Veracruz for five months as punishment.

And Mexico could do absolutely nothing about it.

A few years later, Pancho Villa raided a border town in Texas, so General Pershing led a major expedition through Mexico on a manhunt, brushing aside Mexican complaints about its sovereignty as America occupied huge swathes of northern Mexico in a futile attempt to find the bandit revolutionary.

And again, Mexico could do nothing about it.

And then America decides to enter WWI and goes full Hulk Mode, training and equipping and deploying 300,000 fresh soldiers every month.

And Germany is like "hey uh Mexico, America looks pretty scary right now, any chance you want to take 'em on 1:1 right now I'll let you keep anything you take".

And Mexico is like "lol wtf dude I'm just trying to keep the same government in power for six months without getting invaded, no way I'm invading America, how do you even imagine that would work, we're afraid to sneeze too loudly because it might trigger a third American occupation in five years, those guys are terrifying."

And Texans are apparently like "if it weren't for our six-shooters Mexico would have conquered us in 1917?" Is this a thing they're taught?


The Texas education system rivals North Korea's in the propaganda it tells about itself.
 
2020-06-30 7:18:03 AM  

Cajnik: Hong Kong is the 2020 version of 1968 Czechoslovakia. We never had any intention of helping, it's all political bluffing meant for the domestic audience.


Or 1956 Hungary.
 
2020-06-30 7:19:34 AM  

Langdon_777: I went back and looked - our resident Chinese bot hasn't made a comment in this thread.

Looking back on it, England should never have given back Hong Kong, they should have said "Ummm No, now what are you going to do about it?"


Why don't you go ahead and take out a $30,000 loan from your bank, and then go and tell them to get shafted when the due date for repayment comes around. See how well it turns out for you. (Narrator: "It does not turn out well.")

I've said it in past HK threads, and I'll say it again. You can't cheer the dismantling of the British Empire with one breath, and decry China gaining back HK with the next. Colonialism is colonialism, there is no middle ground.

Do I personally like that China is taking back HK? Definitely not. I wish HK could enjoy forever the freedoms that it has enjoyed, but the lease terms are absolutely clear, and China is doing essentially nothing wrong in slowly phasing in the legal framework in time for 2047. In theory they could have sent the troops in in 1998, and the world would have done nothing.
 
2020-06-30 7:23:44 AM  

way south: hestheone: "....law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

How could that not have already been criminal offenses?

Because Hong Kong was treated like a separate country under its own law, which allowed for things like freedom of speech and assembly as it existed under the British. In an actual democracy you have to tolerate quite a bit of pushback from the people.
They were the victim of a water war and the original conflict-avoiding deal was that they'd remain semi independent. The hope is that this would rub off on China and make them more moderate.
...But socialist gonna communist, and now someone who complains about unfair treatment can be charged with "subversion". Marching against Chinese abuses is terrorism and succession.  Words no longer have the same meaning so they can whisk you away to a re-education camp if you refuse to fall in line with the party.

/A utopia on fark, a dystopia to the remaining free world.


China is an authoritarian capitalist country. If it wasn't, the rest of the world wouldn't be so eager to do business with them.
 
2020-06-30 7:24:52 AM  

pkjun: pkjun: Tyrone Slothrop: Bennie Crabtree: John Hopoate: Taiwan take note - you're next.

Here in NZ and around the world we sell land to Chinese interests instead of granting then long term leases, so stupid.

Some nations recognize Taiwan as its own sovereign country. Hong Kong was not. So Taiwan is in a more powerful position.

No country in the world will defend Taiwan if it is taken over by China.

Not with Trump as President. Bunker boy isn't starting a war with a nuclear power unless he's pushed into it by Congress.

China needs to be darn sure of itself though. Invading an island and maintaining a supply chain across a contested channel isn't easy, and the longer the fight goes on the more likely it becomes that America decides to intervene, at which point China would have no achievable war aims. They need to take the island in one go, whether that's because they decapitate the KMT and seize all of Taiwan in a matter of hours as a fait accompli or whether that's because because the Taiwanese accept reunification and don't resist.

But China is in no hurry. Why would they be? It's not like Taiwan is going anywhere, and the richer China gets the more closely integrated Taiwan will become purely through the force of capitalism.

Lol "the KMT" look at pkjun here posting from 1977


Oh those pieces of shiat are still around, sold out to the CCP when they realized it was the only way to regain power in Taiwan.
 
2020-06-30 7:26:06 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: So, should we send them tens of billions of ping pong balls?

Why don't we laugh at "Second Amendment Solutions"?

Registration is a necessary precursor to confisgation.

Confisgation is a necessary precursor to genocide.

Lets see how well things turn out over there.

/Not giving up my guns
//they can't find them all
///brushes off his signed copy of John Ross's "Unintended Consequences"


Strange how American gun nuts only care about their guns being taken away, and not the loss of all their other rights.

\if you actually believed what you say you'd have gone to Washington and attacked the White House
 
2020-06-30 7:30:33 AM  

BafflerMeal: Natalie Portmanteau: Bet Macau is getting real nervous.

Nope. Macau has prospered incredibly under Chinese rule. Apples and oranges. Even the colonial occupation country was different.

/Although I am annoyed that they turned the islands into a peninsula.


It's their main money laundering hub, they wouldn't want to mess that up.

The Hong Kong thing is an attempt to take control of it before all the money trickles out of it - if they left it to deadline day they'd find the cupboards were a little emptier than they might have anticipated.
 
2020-06-30 7:30:54 AM  

Masket: Langdon_777: I went back and looked - our resident Chinese bot hasn't made a comment in this thread.

Looking back on it, England should never have given back Hong Kong, they should have said "Ummm No, now what are you going to do about it?"

Why don't you go ahead and take out a $30,000 loan from your bank, and then go and tell them to get shafted when the due date for repayment comes around. See how well it turns out for you. (Narrator: "It does not turn out well.")

I've said it in past HK threads, and I'll say it again. You can't cheer the dismantling of the British Empire with one breath, and decry China gaining back HK with the next. Colonialism is colonialism, there is no middle ground.

Do I personally like that China is taking back HK? Definitely not. I wish HK could enjoy forever the freedoms that it has enjoyed, but the lease terms are absolutely clear, and China is doing essentially nothing wrong in slowly phasing in the legal framework in time for 2047. In theory they could have sent the troops in in 1998, and the world would have done nothing.


Yes.

It is giving the World a lot of time to realise what is going to be demanded of Taiwan in the near future.  The CCP has to be reminded that no matter how strong they are in their own backyard, that the World is a much bigger place.

Of course I am lying - money will decide all of this.
 
2020-06-30 7:40:36 AM  

Nadie_AZ: "Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark


We even taught them how to do it all nice and legal like.
 
2020-06-30 7:43:46 AM  

Langdon_777: money will decide all of this


Money sure is nice, but politics has always ruled Asia.  China holds itself together using the barrel of a gun.  This rule of law stuff is new to them, they're really just getting started.
 
2020-06-30 7:47:06 AM  

erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*


ORLY?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_​o​f_Athens_(1946)

That would suggest otherwise.

Oh, and just going by Google and wikipedia...the number of cases of revolutions and uprisings over the past century that have occurred, with varying levels of success...would also put the lie to this.

Setting that aside for a second, your whole premise here suggests that, rather than even try to stand up against a tyrannical government and fight back against it, the people should just give up on even considering it because it's hopeless so they better just learn to accept it and play within the rules and broken systems that allowed the fascists and tyrants to rise to power in the first place.

You'll excuse me if I laugh in your face.
 
2020-06-30 7:50:54 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Secret Master of All Flatulence: So, should we send them tens of billions of ping pong balls?

Why don't we laugh at "Second Amendment Solutions"?

Registration is a necessary precursor to confisgation.

Confisgation is a necessary precursor to genocide.

Lets see how well things turn out over there.

/Not giving up my guns
//they can't find them all
///brushes off his signed copy of John Ross's "Unintended Consequences"

Strange how American gun nuts only care about their guns being taken away, and not the loss of all their other rights.

\if you actually believed what you say you'd have gone to Washington and attacked the White House


Does going out to the protests and actually providing security for medics and such who've been attacked by cops and white supremacists count?  Or going out and marching with the protests against trump and police brutality?

You realize that the whole point is to use violence only as a last resort, but maintain the option in case it goes that far, right?
 
2020-06-30 7:57:51 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: China is an authoritarian capitalist country. If it wasn't, the rest of the world wouldn't be so eager to do business with them.


Their capitalism takes an obvious back seat to their authoritarianism.
The government readily abuses workers to undercut labor rates, which is why everyone wants to do business with them. China is also willing to dump goods below the going rate if it means driving out competition. They have little interest in a free markets or competition, except where they can co-opt this to take control of another nation.

It's a planned economy. When the system messes up a plan, it does so in epic fashion.

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/The difference between them and the soviets is the Russians were honest about hating us.
/China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity.
/You end up paying for your own downfall.
 
2020-06-30 8:05:40 AM  

way south: China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity


I have not seen this "China acting friendly" biatchina gets what it can while it can.  And if you were familiar with the last 500 years of Asian history, you would not blame them one bit.
 
2020-06-30 8:06:24 AM  
What a hot filter mess THAT was.

China looks out for China.
 
2020-06-30 8:32:35 AM  

silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(


That right there is the whole problem.  A good solid group of people made Hong Kong into a great place for all the people living there.  And most of them have NO idea what life was ever like before that.

Those people don't give a shiat about China.  They don't want to hear that, "Well, it's legal, so deal with it."

It's farking ridiculous that some deal was made where China gets to take it back.  That sucks for MILLIONS of people.  They have proved that they can govern themselves.

I wonder if it's possible for them to declare independence and call out to the UN for support.  (I'm guessing that's a hard NO)
 
2020-06-30 8:43:33 AM  
Yeah, they are farked.

But hey!  I got this nick-nack for a dollar at Walmart!  What a deal!
 
2020-06-30 8:46:04 AM  
33,0000 people !?! Holy #%^*! I'm not taking off my mask until 2021!

Lazy farking ass editors. Did you even read this article?
 
2020-06-30 8:59:07 AM  

Boojum2k: erik-k: Boojum2k: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Keep wanking. SURELY one of these days angry civilians with guns will stop government oppression (as opposed to the historical norm of enthusiastically joining in it).

Just like how SURELY one of these days a random unprepared civilian with a gun will actually stop a mass shooting.

Mass shootings have been stopped by an armed bystander before.

But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.


To bad those populations (now) living under authoritarian regimes didn't have guns, otherwise they could have taken up arms to keep themselves from being disarmed.
 
2020-06-30 9:05:15 AM  

Nadie_AZ: "Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark


Yeah, but Hong Kong only existed because of the evils of colonialism, or something along those lines.
 
2020-06-30 9:06:13 AM  
Great. Now we get to look forward to leaks to the press from the Trump Cabinet about how they are getting frustrated explaining to him in vain that taking over Canada is bad for a million different reasons.
 
2020-06-30 9:06:40 AM  

silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(


You don't get to pick and choose.
 
2020-06-30 9:06:50 AM  

pkjun: Animatronik: pkjun: Boojum2k: But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Well, except for all of those who rely on a heavily armed partisan paramilitary to enforce their rule, which are globally much more common than those who have disarmed the population.

And come to think of it, most of the countries that have disarmed their populations are wealthy, peaceful and democratic countries, many of which have higher quality of life rankings and better democratic health indicators than the US does.

Sorry, yeah, anyway, back to shaking your head at China for crushing Hong Kong protests with like a quarter of the fury American cops have unleashed on American citizens over the past month.

You're always so predictable.

One or two reasonable-sounding posts, then you start posting bullshiat about how the CCP and its minions are basically similar to other peaceful democracies etc. etc  etc.

There is no democracy today that remotely approximates human rights abuses in China.  Stop making invidious comparisons and spreading lies, China Tool.

"I agree with some of your opinions but disagree with other ones. Clearly this is evidence you are Chinese spy using insidious mind control tactics to confuse and fool the West through comments on a linkblog frequented by like two hundred people."


Shades of gray, shades of gray...

....except they aren't

Keep up the good work.  Looking for my copy of the Little Red Book.  Got to be here somewhere.
 
2020-06-30 9:07:04 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Phooey.


#1 Super Guy..
 
2020-06-30 9:08:23 AM  
Dunkirk boatlift, then scorched earth.  Leave nothing behind but a smoking hole.
 
2020-06-30 9:40:28 AM  
Let's all pretend that there was any other possible outcome of this behind closed doors vote.
 
2020-06-30 9:42:06 AM  
My wife who is still a Hong Kong national already filed for her green card.  Most people who had the means already have an out with a US, UK, Canadian or Australian passport.

The rest?  Many are scrambling for foreign papers.  Maybe UK will take some by providing more benefits to their old watered down British Overseas passport.  Taiwan announced several weeks ago they'll take people who want to leave.   A smart move as they would be easy to absorb, many are well educated/middle class and the move irritates Beijing.

Beijing probably doesn't care.  Any HK Cantonese who leave, will be replaced by loyal Mainland immigrants.  It's the end of Hong Kong for sure. Anythng that made it unique and its strengths by being outside the Mainland will be eliminated. It'll be just another shiatty Mainland city.

Anyhow, fark Beijing.
 
2020-06-30 9:45:17 AM  
Thanks Carter.
 
2020-06-30 9:48:18 AM  

silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(


If only the Brits had had the balls to tell China to fark off and that they were keeping HK.
 
2020-06-30 9:52:48 AM  

erik-k: Underwater Bystander: I doubt the citizens of Hong Kong are going to submit quietly. Will be very interesting watch these coming days.

Unfortunately, China will get away with this for the same reason they probably won't put up much of a fight: covid.


Because the world doesnt really care as long as Chinese shipments are on time,
 
2020-06-30 9:53:13 AM  

SirEattonHogg: My wife who is still a Hong Kong national already filed for her green card.  Most people who had the means already have an out with a US, UK, Canadian or Australian passport.

The rest?  Many are scrambling for foreign papers.  Maybe UK will take some by providing more benefits to their old watered down British Overseas passport.  Taiwan announced several weeks ago they'll take people who want to leave.   A smart move as they would be easy to absorb, many are well educated/middle class and the move irritates Beijing.

Beijing probably doesn't care.  Any HK Cantonese who leave, will be replaced by loyal Mainland immigrants.  It's the end of Hong Kong for sure. Anythng that made it unique and its strengths by being outside the Mainland will be eliminated. It'll be just another shiatty Mainland city.

Anyhow, fark Beijing.


Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.
 
2020-06-30 10:05:49 AM  

way south: Tyrone Slothrop: China is an authoritarian capitalist country. If it wasn't, the rest of the world wouldn't be so eager to do business with them.

Their capitalism takes an obvious back seat to their authoritarianism.
The government readily abuses workers to undercut labor rates, which is why everyone wants to do business with them. China is also willing to dump goods below the going rate if it means driving out competition. They have little interest in a free markets or competition, except where they can co-opt this to take control of another nation.

It's a planned economy. When the system messes up a plan, it does so in epic fashion.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x560]

/The difference between them and the soviets is the Russians were honest about hating us.
/China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity.
/You end up paying for your own downfall.


That's why if Biden is smart, he'll double down on the Cinese tariffs and make better deals with Mexico, EU, etc.
The Chinese have benefited from being the manufacturer of everything for the developed world.
We need to signal to Xi that he killed the gravy train, before it derails completely and takes us with it.
 
2020-06-30 10:17:55 AM  
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I don't know, I have faith in them. Well not Star Wars films being good, but the people of Hong Kong are gonna give China a surprise
 
2020-06-30 10:20:22 AM  

Animatronik: Anyhow, fark Beijing.

Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.


One of my favourite things about these threads is watching American right-wingers take all their fears and apprehensions and suppressed insight into what's going on in America and project it -- line by line and thought by thought --onto China to get it out of their heads and safely onto the Other.

If China did not exist, it would be necessary for conservatives to invent it.
 
2020-06-30 10:22:18 AM  

Animatronik: way south: Tyrone Slothrop: China is an authoritarian capitalist country. If it wasn't, the rest of the world wouldn't be so eager to do business with them.

Their capitalism takes an obvious back seat to their authoritarianism.
The government readily abuses workers to undercut labor rates, which is why everyone wants to do business with them. China is also willing to dump goods below the going rate if it means driving out competition. They have little interest in a free markets or competition, except where they can co-opt this to take control of another nation.

It's a planned economy. When the system messes up a plan, it does so in epic fashion.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x560]

/The difference between them and the soviets is the Russians were honest about hating us.
/China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity.
/You end up paying for your own downfall.

That's why if Biden is smart, he'll double down on the Cinese tariffs and make better deals with Mexico, EU, etc.
The Chinese have benefited from being the manufacturer of everything for the developed world.
We need to signal to Xi that he killed the gravy train, before it derails completely and takes us with it.


"If Biden is smart, he'll do all the dumb stuff that ruined Trump's presidency."

Nah. If Biden is smart, he'll end the trade war, revive the TPP, smooth some ruffled feathers across Asia, and only then confront China. Going it alone like Trump tried just revealed how much weaker America is than Americans like to think it is.
 
2020-06-30 10:34:35 AM  

pkjun: Animatronik: Anyhow, fark Beijing.

Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.

One of my favourite things about these threads is watching American right-wingers take all their fears and apprehensions and suppressed insight into what's going on in America and project it -- line by line and thought by thought --onto China to get it out of their heads and safely onto the Other.

If China did not exist, it would be necessary for conservatives to invent it.


There ya go again, justifying your "Chinapologist" farkie. Really great feature Fark has, that one.
 
2020-06-30 10:38:37 AM  
Western colonialism and imperialism was never going to have a happy ending.
Film at 11:00.
Ric Romero reporting.
 
2020-06-30 10:38:45 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Any bets they'll move on Taiwan by the end of the year?


Not at this time.

What a lot of people don't realize is just how interconnected at an economy level Taiwan and the "One China" already is.   Almost all the large businesses based in Taiwan already have sizable operations on the mainland.  Business travel over the gap is huge.

Beijing is not going to risk (for now) a pointless confrontation that would likely ruin a big chunk of their economy.
 
2020-06-30 10:44:03 AM  

Animatronik: way south: Tyrone Slothrop: China is an authoritarian capitalist country. If it wasn't, the rest of the world wouldn't be so eager to do business with them.

Their capitalism takes an obvious back seat to their authoritarianism.
The government readily abuses workers to undercut labor rates, which is why everyone wants to do business with them. China is also willing to dump goods below the going rate if it means driving out competition. They have little interest in a free markets or competition, except where they can co-opt this to take control of another nation.

It's a planned economy. When the system messes up a plan, it does so in epic fashion.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x560]

/The difference between them and the soviets is the Russians were honest about hating us.
/China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity.
/You end up paying for your own downfall.

That's why if Biden is smart, he'll double down on the Cinese tariffs and make better deals with Mexico, EU, etc.
The Chinese have benefited from being the manufacturer of everything for the developed world.
We need to signal to Xi that he killed the gravy train, before it derails completely and takes us with it.


Biden was the front man on the TPP so I doubt his words will match his advisors actions. If their whole stick is a "return to normalcy" then their first act will be to normalize trade with China so they can pay back the campaign's backers.

I think Trump wanted to be more aggressive with the tariffs, but our economic interdependence is pretty deep. The democrats were already leveraging farmer's losses on crop exports to split Trump's vote in red states.
Short of open conflict causing a cutoff, I think tariffs and financial distancing is about as good as it gets for the foreseeable future. No ones going to put a hard stop before the election.

I think the short term pressure over Hong Kong has to come from more than just the US. The EU and UK need to get off their butts and join with India, Australia, the US and others to send a collective message. If just one player acts then China can counter any of them individually.

/The UN should be here.
/But China pretty much owns them now.
 
2020-06-30 10:50:06 AM  

thehighesttree: pkjun: Animatronik: Anyhow, fark Beijing.

Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.

One of my favourite things about these threads is watching American right-wingers take all their fears and apprehensions and suppressed insight into what's going on in America and project it -- line by line and thought by thought --onto China to get it out of their heads and safely onto the Other.

If China did not exist, it would be necessary for conservatives to invent it.

There ya go again, justifying your "Chinapologist" farkie. Really great feature Fark has, that one.


I hear that in China, supporters of the government are so emotionally insecure they accuse all their critics of being in the pocket of America.
 
2020-06-30 10:56:07 AM  

way south: their first act will be to normalize trade with China


Normalizing trade with EVERYONE will be rather high on the priority list of the next adult that's put in charge of the White House.

Don't you think?
 
2020-06-30 10:56:36 AM  

pkjun: Animatronik: Anyhow, fark Beijing.

Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.

One of my favourite things about these threads is watching American right-wingers take all their fears and apprehensions and suppressed insight into what's going on in America and project it -- line by line and thought by thought --onto China to get it out of their heads and safely onto the Other.

If China did not exist, it would be necessary for conservatives to invent it.


This is just more pro-China bullshiat from an educated China Tool.

You do the same thing in every thread about China, but the game is up - you need to go with an alt at this point and try a different approach.
No amount of sugarcoating will prettify the regime in Beijing.  The politics of democracies is ugly - but at least we have politics.

Xi is basically an emperor, no?  Now all the press in China are forced to read up on "Xi Jinping Thought" and sign an oath.  To find the equivalent in the Western world you really have to go back to King Henry the VIII.

Your defense of the CCP, as if it were a right-wing imaginary cultural construct cooked up in the U.S. as an external threat, is insanely ridiculous, and just proves again what you are really up to, with the lies and distortions.

It's too late. All the politicians are onto you anyway - there is no right or left when it comes to what happened in Hong Kong.
 
2020-06-30 10:57:32 AM  

SirEattonHogg: My wife who is still a Hong Kong national already filed for her green card.  Most people who had the means already have an out with a US, UK, Canadian or Australian passport.

The rest?  Many are scrambling for foreign papers.  Maybe UK will take some by providing more benefits to their old watered down British Overseas passport.  Taiwan announced several weeks ago they'll take people who want to leave.   A smart move as they would be easy to absorb, many are well educated/middle class and the move irritates Beijing.

Beijing probably doesn't care.  Any HK Cantonese who leave, will be replaced by loyal Mainland immigrants.  It's the end of Hong Kong for sure. Anythng that made it unique and its strengths by being outside the Mainland will be eliminated. It'll be just another shiatty Mainland city.

Anyhow, fark Beijing.


I know absolutely nothing about China's immigration policies. Do they treat people leaving their country the same way that the socialist countries of Europe did? In other words, do they prevent people from emigrating from China to other parts of the world?

If they don't prevent a people leaving, a scramble to get foreign papers may not be necessary. They may have a little bit of time available to them.
 
2020-06-30 11:07:23 AM  

BafflerMeal: Natalie Portmanteau: Bet Macau is getting real nervous.

Nope. Macau has prospered incredibly under Chinese rule. Apples and oranges. Even the colonial occupation country was different.

/Although I am annoyed that they turned the islands into a peninsula.


Macau is under the same special economic zone as Hong Kong, no?
 
2020-06-30 11:21:02 AM  
FTFA: "the law contains six articles and 66 clauses and will go into effect immediately. "

No one...really...

This is clearly the devil's work.
 
2020-06-30 11:49:32 AM  

erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*


It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?
 
2020-06-30 11:50:07 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: way south: their first act will be to normalize trade with China

Normalizing trade with EVERYONE will be rather high on the priority list of the next adult that's put in charge of the White House.

Don't you think?


No, I don't agree.
You have to bring certain industries home. We should not be buying medical supplies, let alone medicine and vital equipment, exclusively from a nation that is openly preparing for war.    We should not be giving weapons to allies that won't stand with us, and especially not without being handsomely reimbursed in both gold and favorable actions.  We should not invite workers into our system when we have droves unemployed workers here.
You can't just ship your money out to frenemies who are not returning any favors. Especially not in this climate when you certainly aren't raking in the taxes to pay for that behavior.

You either redevelop your small business sector, trades, manufacturing and agriculture sectors or you eat the rich. You should not go on a shopping spree with China unless you have already sold out and forgot to tell the voters.
 
2020-06-30 11:57:31 AM  
I told people back when this whole Corona thing started. That China released it to put down Hong Kong.
 
2020-06-30 12:11:23 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?


So when do the fine people of Texas start? Voting rights, freedom of assembly, privacy rights -- they've all been under siege for years now. But the only time I see the gun nuts break out the artillery it's to point them at the people protesting against government overreach.
 
2020-06-30 12:16:55 PM  

pkjun: GrizzlyPouch: It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?

So when do the fine people of Texas start? Voting rights, freedom of assembly, privacy rights -- they've all been under siege for years now. But the only time I see the gun nuts break out the artillery it's to point them at the people protesting against government overreach.


Please explain how each of those has been under attack in Texas.
 
2020-06-30 12:29:19 PM  
RIP?
Leases has been there in plain language this whole 100 years.
That which never was can't die.
This was always china, mainland china, just on long term use loan.

If the people there got comfy with a different cultural norm, that's kinda of a personal problem.
but do feel free to learn the lesson that we humans just can't have longer term agreements of anything.
Because the people not yet born can't be assumed to uphold such agreements.

To imagine others wise is to live a lie.
 
2020-06-30 12:45:31 PM  
Can't say i surprised by this, CHina has long wanted the benefits of Hong Kong but without the headaches of the 1 nation 2 systems set up they agreed to when the British handed it back 1999.

I do feel sad for the folks about to be further ground down under the heel of Chinese oppression.
 
2020-06-30 12:45:59 PM  

Nadie_AZ: "Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark


They probably decided if there's going to be another Tiananmen Square action, but in Hong Kong, it's best to do it while Trump is still President because he won't do anything about it.  Heck, he'll probably say he never heard about it.
 
2020-06-30 12:48:29 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Nadie_AZ: "Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark

They probably decided if there's going to be another Tiananmen Square action, but in Hong Kong, it's best to do it while Trump is still President because he won't do anything about it.  Heck, he'll probably say he never heard about it.


Why would it be up to Trump do something about it, and what would you have him do?
 
2020-06-30 12:53:39 PM  

Boojum2k: erik-k: Boojum2k: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Keep wanking. SURELY one of these days angry civilians with guns will stop government oppression (as opposed to the historical norm of enthusiastically joining in it).

Just like how SURELY one of these days a random unprepared civilian with a gun will actually stop a mass shooting.

Mass shootings have been stopped by an armed bystander before.

But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.


You are delusional if you think that a few morbidly obese white men with guns can do anything against a dictatorship takeover.
 
2020-06-30 1:04:50 PM  

shadow9d9: Boojum2k: erik-k: Boojum2k: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Keep wanking. SURELY one of these days angry civilians with guns will stop government oppression (as opposed to the historical norm of enthusiastically joining in it).

Just like how SURELY one of these days a random unprepared civilian with a gun will actually stop a mass shooting.

Mass shootings have been stopped by an armed bystander before.

But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.

You are delusional if you think that a few morbidly obese white men with guns can do anything against a dictatorship takeover.


You're delusional if you think all or even most gun owners are "morbidly obese white men."

Your mental image is about as accurate and representative as Looty.
 
2020-06-30 1:05:51 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?


We saw what the gun humpers do when police start killing people with impunity; they stood behind the cops and nodded their heads that the "right people" were on the other side of the boot. Texans are as brave as they are smart.
 
2020-06-30 1:07:42 PM  

UltimaCS: GrizzlyPouch: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?

We saw what the gun humpers do when police start killing people with impunity;they stood behind the cops and nodded their heads that the "right people" were on the other side of the boot. Texans are as brave as they are smart.



I like your discussion about the imaginary response to something that hasn't happened.
 
2020-06-30 1:07:58 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: way south: their first act will be to normalize trade with China

Normalizing trade with EVERYONE will be rather high on the priority list of the next adult that's put in charge of the White House.

Don't you think?


Why would you want to normalize trade with the modern-day equivalent of Nazi Germany?
 
2020-06-30 1:12:09 PM  

pedrop357: UltimaCS: GrizzlyPouch: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?

We saw what the gun humpers do when police start killing people with impunity;they stood behind the cops and nodded their heads that the "right people" were on the other side of the boot. Texans are as brave as they are smart.


I like your discussion about the imaginary response to something that hasn't happened.


You've gotta explain more about what brand of crazy you are before I can understand what you think is imaginary. "George Floyd's death was a deep fake" or "cops only kill people when they really, really have to"?
 
2020-06-30 1:15:09 PM  

UltimaCS: pedrop357: UltimaCS: GrizzlyPouch: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?

We saw what the gun humpers do when police start killing people with impunity;they stood behind the cops and nodded their heads that the "right people" were on the other side of the boot. Texans are as brave as they are smart.


I like your discussion about the imaginary response to something that hasn't happened.

You've gotta explain more about what brand of crazy you are before I can understand what you think is imaginary. "George Floyd's death was a deep fake" or "cops only kill people when they really, really have to"?


The police weren't killing people with impunity, and the "gunhumpers" did not stand behind them, literally or figuratively, in approval.
 
2020-06-30 1:20:18 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.


If you want to pick a state others might stick up for, don't go with Texas
 
2020-06-30 1:21:14 PM  

Mouser: Marcus Aurelius: way south: their first act will be to normalize trade with China

Normalizing trade with EVERYONE will be rather high on the priority list of the next adult that's put in charge of the White House.

Don't you think?

Why would you want to normalize trade with the modern-day equivalent of Nazi Germany?


Such rhetoric. Trump isn't quite that bad.
 
2020-06-30 1:38:17 PM  
The only way to control China's behavior and power is through trade, and Trump is too incompetent, too stupid, and too adoring of dictators to bother doing so.  In fact we have less economic influence over China now; yet another instance of Trump being a complete f*cking whirlwind of catastrophe.
 
2020-06-30 1:42:19 PM  

pedrop357: UltimaCS: pedrop357: UltimaCS: GrizzlyPouch: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?

We saw what the gun humpers do when police start killing people with impunity;they stood behind the cops and nodded their heads that the "right people" were on the other side of the boot. Texans are as brave as they are smart.


I like your discussion about the imaginary response to something that hasn't happened.

You've gotta explain more about what brand of crazy you are before I can understand what you think is imaginary. "George Floyd's death was a deep fake" or "cops only kill people when they really, really have to"?

The police weren't killing people with impunity, and the "gunhumpers" did not stand behind them, literally or figuratively, in approval.


The protests were about the fact that the overwhelming majority of police shootings are deemed justified and the "tricky" ones result in the officer being reassigned elsewhere. And here's a cosplaytriot that was literally standing with the cops, pretending to be a cop:
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-06-30 1:58:41 PM  

apocryphaandmyth: Bennie Crabtree: John Hopoate: Taiwan take note - you're next.

Here in NZ and around the world we sell land to Chinese interests instead of granting then long term leases, so stupid.

Some nations recognize Taiwan as its own sovereign country. Hong Kong was not. So Taiwan is in a more powerful position.

including such big hitters as Guatemala and Swaziland.  Yeah, Taiwan is next.


The Vatican is powerful enough.
 
2020-06-30 4:49:46 PM  

UltimaCS: The police weren't killing people with impunity, and the "gunhumpers" did not stand behind them, literally or figuratively, in approval.


I've literally spen much of my life (1988-present) dealing with cops in potentially riotous situations.  A few years ago, after a "Katie, Bar the door!" scenario, I was debriefing a child (under 30 y.o.) who'd just smelt teargas for the first time "in the wild".  His comment to me about these guys was basically was that he didn't know their politics, but if the SHRF, he was glad for the backup.
 
2020-06-30 9:59:53 PM  
When I was in HK in 1994, vendors were selling t-shirts that had a picture of a guy painting over the Union Jack with the Chinese (CCP) flag. How true that is/was.
 
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