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2020-06-30 7:26:06 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: So, should we send them tens of billions of ping pong balls?

Why don't we laugh at "Second Amendment Solutions"?

Registration is a necessary precursor to confisgation.

Confisgation is a necessary precursor to genocide.

Lets see how well things turn out over there.

/Not giving up my guns
//they can't find them all
///brushes off his signed copy of John Ross's "Unintended Consequences"


Strange how American gun nuts only care about their guns being taken away, and not the loss of all their other rights.

\if you actually believed what you say you'd have gone to Washington and attacked the White House
 
2020-06-30 7:30:33 AM  

BafflerMeal: Natalie Portmanteau: Bet Macau is getting real nervous.

Nope. Macau has prospered incredibly under Chinese rule. Apples and oranges. Even the colonial occupation country was different.

/Although I am annoyed that they turned the islands into a peninsula.


It's their main money laundering hub, they wouldn't want to mess that up.

The Hong Kong thing is an attempt to take control of it before all the money trickles out of it - if they left it to deadline day they'd find the cupboards were a little emptier than they might have anticipated.
 
2020-06-30 7:30:54 AM  

Masket: Langdon_777: I went back and looked - our resident Chinese bot hasn't made a comment in this thread.

Looking back on it, England should never have given back Hong Kong, they should have said "Ummm No, now what are you going to do about it?"

Why don't you go ahead and take out a $30,000 loan from your bank, and then go and tell them to get shafted when the due date for repayment comes around. See how well it turns out for you. (Narrator: "It does not turn out well.")

I've said it in past HK threads, and I'll say it again. You can't cheer the dismantling of the British Empire with one breath, and decry China gaining back HK with the next. Colonialism is colonialism, there is no middle ground.

Do I personally like that China is taking back HK? Definitely not. I wish HK could enjoy forever the freedoms that it has enjoyed, but the lease terms are absolutely clear, and China is doing essentially nothing wrong in slowly phasing in the legal framework in time for 2047. In theory they could have sent the troops in in 1998, and the world would have done nothing.


Yes.

It is giving the World a lot of time to realise what is going to be demanded of Taiwan in the near future.  The CCP has to be reminded that no matter how strong they are in their own backyard, that the World is a much bigger place.

Of course I am lying - money will decide all of this.
 
2020-06-30 7:40:36 AM  

Nadie_AZ: "Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark


We even taught them how to do it all nice and legal like.
 
2020-06-30 7:43:46 AM  

Langdon_777: money will decide all of this


Money sure is nice, but politics has always ruled Asia.  China holds itself together using the barrel of a gun.  This rule of law stuff is new to them, they're really just getting started.
 
2020-06-30 7:47:06 AM  

erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*


ORLY?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_​o​f_Athens_(1946)

That would suggest otherwise.

Oh, and just going by Google and wikipedia...the number of cases of revolutions and uprisings over the past century that have occurred, with varying levels of success...would also put the lie to this.

Setting that aside for a second, your whole premise here suggests that, rather than even try to stand up against a tyrannical government and fight back against it, the people should just give up on even considering it because it's hopeless so they better just learn to accept it and play within the rules and broken systems that allowed the fascists and tyrants to rise to power in the first place.

You'll excuse me if I laugh in your face.
 
2020-06-30 7:50:54 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Secret Master of All Flatulence: So, should we send them tens of billions of ping pong balls?

Why don't we laugh at "Second Amendment Solutions"?

Registration is a necessary precursor to confisgation.

Confisgation is a necessary precursor to genocide.

Lets see how well things turn out over there.

/Not giving up my guns
//they can't find them all
///brushes off his signed copy of John Ross's "Unintended Consequences"

Strange how American gun nuts only care about their guns being taken away, and not the loss of all their other rights.

\if you actually believed what you say you'd have gone to Washington and attacked the White House


Does going out to the protests and actually providing security for medics and such who've been attacked by cops and white supremacists count?  Or going out and marching with the protests against trump and police brutality?

You realize that the whole point is to use violence only as a last resort, but maintain the option in case it goes that far, right?
 
2020-06-30 7:57:51 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: China is an authoritarian capitalist country. If it wasn't, the rest of the world wouldn't be so eager to do business with them.


Their capitalism takes an obvious back seat to their authoritarianism.
The government readily abuses workers to undercut labor rates, which is why everyone wants to do business with them. China is also willing to dump goods below the going rate if it means driving out competition. They have little interest in a free markets or competition, except where they can co-opt this to take control of another nation.

It's a planned economy. When the system messes up a plan, it does so in epic fashion.

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/The difference between them and the soviets is the Russians were honest about hating us.
/China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity.
/You end up paying for your own downfall.
 
2020-06-30 8:05:40 AM  

way south: China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity


I have not seen this "China acting friendly" biatchina gets what it can while it can.  And if you were familiar with the last 500 years of Asian history, you would not blame them one bit.
 
2020-06-30 8:06:24 AM  
What a hot filter mess THAT was.

China looks out for China.
 
2020-06-30 8:32:35 AM  

silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(


That right there is the whole problem.  A good solid group of people made Hong Kong into a great place for all the people living there.  And most of them have NO idea what life was ever like before that.

Those people don't give a shiat about China.  They don't want to hear that, "Well, it's legal, so deal with it."

It's farking ridiculous that some deal was made where China gets to take it back.  That sucks for MILLIONS of people.  They have proved that they can govern themselves.

I wonder if it's possible for them to declare independence and call out to the UN for support.  (I'm guessing that's a hard NO)
 
2020-06-30 8:43:33 AM  
Yeah, they are farked.

But hey!  I got this nick-nack for a dollar at Walmart!  What a deal!
 
2020-06-30 8:46:04 AM  
33,0000 people !?! Holy #%^*! I'm not taking off my mask until 2021!

Lazy farking ass editors. Did you even read this article?
 
2020-06-30 8:59:07 AM  

Boojum2k: erik-k: Boojum2k: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Keep wanking. SURELY one of these days angry civilians with guns will stop government oppression (as opposed to the historical norm of enthusiastically joining in it).

Just like how SURELY one of these days a random unprepared civilian with a gun will actually stop a mass shooting.

Mass shootings have been stopped by an armed bystander before.

But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.


To bad those populations (now) living under authoritarian regimes didn't have guns, otherwise they could have taken up arms to keep themselves from being disarmed.
 
2020-06-30 9:05:15 AM  

Nadie_AZ: "Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark


Yeah, but Hong Kong only existed because of the evils of colonialism, or something along those lines.
 
2020-06-30 9:06:13 AM  
Great. Now we get to look forward to leaks to the press from the Trump Cabinet about how they are getting frustrated explaining to him in vain that taking over Canada is bad for a million different reasons.
 
2020-06-30 9:06:40 AM  

silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(


You don't get to pick and choose.
 
2020-06-30 9:06:50 AM  

pkjun: Animatronik: pkjun: Boojum2k: But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Well, except for all of those who rely on a heavily armed partisan paramilitary to enforce their rule, which are globally much more common than those who have disarmed the population.

And come to think of it, most of the countries that have disarmed their populations are wealthy, peaceful and democratic countries, many of which have higher quality of life rankings and better democratic health indicators than the US does.

Sorry, yeah, anyway, back to shaking your head at China for crushing Hong Kong protests with like a quarter of the fury American cops have unleashed on American citizens over the past month.

You're always so predictable.

One or two reasonable-sounding posts, then you start posting bullshiat about how the CCP and its minions are basically similar to other peaceful democracies etc. etc  etc.

There is no democracy today that remotely approximates human rights abuses in China.  Stop making invidious comparisons and spreading lies, China Tool.

"I agree with some of your opinions but disagree with other ones. Clearly this is evidence you are Chinese spy using insidious mind control tactics to confuse and fool the West through comments on a linkblog frequented by like two hundred people."


Shades of gray, shades of gray...

....except they aren't

Keep up the good work.  Looking for my copy of the Little Red Book.  Got to be here somewhere.
 
2020-06-30 9:07:04 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Phooey.


#1 Super Guy..
 
2020-06-30 9:08:23 AM  
Dunkirk boatlift, then scorched earth.  Leave nothing behind but a smoking hole.
 
2020-06-30 9:40:28 AM  
Let's all pretend that there was any other possible outcome of this behind closed doors vote.
 
2020-06-30 9:42:06 AM  
My wife who is still a Hong Kong national already filed for her green card.  Most people who had the means already have an out with a US, UK, Canadian or Australian passport.

The rest?  Many are scrambling for foreign papers.  Maybe UK will take some by providing more benefits to their old watered down British Overseas passport.  Taiwan announced several weeks ago they'll take people who want to leave.   A smart move as they would be easy to absorb, many are well educated/middle class and the move irritates Beijing.

Beijing probably doesn't care.  Any HK Cantonese who leave, will be replaced by loyal Mainland immigrants.  It's the end of Hong Kong for sure. Anythng that made it unique and its strengths by being outside the Mainland will be eliminated. It'll be just another shiatty Mainland city.

Anyhow, fark Beijing.
 
2020-06-30 9:45:17 AM  
Thanks Carter.
 
2020-06-30 9:48:18 AM  

silvervial: phalamir: Naido: Democratic governments of the world would take some kind of action, but can't risk making their paymasters nervous

Dude, HK is part of China.  There is not a nation on Earth that is going to get involved in an internal political dispute of another nation unless there are petrochemicals or diamonds involved.  If DC were to be returned to Maryland, France is not going to land troops on the shores of the Potomac.  Anyone who didn't see this was going to happen at some point after 1997 was a damned fool.  Frankly, I am surprised it took this long.

This is one situation, one place, that "colonialism" was right. If they had stayed a British colony, none of this would be happening. Too bad the lease was up :(


If only the Brits had had the balls to tell China to fark off and that they were keeping HK.
 
2020-06-30 9:52:48 AM  

erik-k: Underwater Bystander: I doubt the citizens of Hong Kong are going to submit quietly. Will be very interesting watch these coming days.

Unfortunately, China will get away with this for the same reason they probably won't put up much of a fight: covid.


Because the world doesnt really care as long as Chinese shipments are on time,
 
2020-06-30 9:53:13 AM  

SirEattonHogg: My wife who is still a Hong Kong national already filed for her green card.  Most people who had the means already have an out with a US, UK, Canadian or Australian passport.

The rest?  Many are scrambling for foreign papers.  Maybe UK will take some by providing more benefits to their old watered down British Overseas passport.  Taiwan announced several weeks ago they'll take people who want to leave.   A smart move as they would be easy to absorb, many are well educated/middle class and the move irritates Beijing.

Beijing probably doesn't care.  Any HK Cantonese who leave, will be replaced by loyal Mainland immigrants.  It's the end of Hong Kong for sure. Anythng that made it unique and its strengths by being outside the Mainland will be eliminated. It'll be just another shiatty Mainland city.

Anyhow, fark Beijing.


Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.
 
2020-06-30 10:05:49 AM  

way south: Tyrone Slothrop: China is an authoritarian capitalist country. If it wasn't, the rest of the world wouldn't be so eager to do business with them.

Their capitalism takes an obvious back seat to their authoritarianism.
The government readily abuses workers to undercut labor rates, which is why everyone wants to do business with them. China is also willing to dump goods below the going rate if it means driving out competition. They have little interest in a free markets or competition, except where they can co-opt this to take control of another nation.

It's a planned economy. When the system messes up a plan, it does so in epic fashion.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x560]

/The difference between them and the soviets is the Russians were honest about hating us.
/China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity.
/You end up paying for your own downfall.


That's why if Biden is smart, he'll double down on the Cinese tariffs and make better deals with Mexico, EU, etc.
The Chinese have benefited from being the manufacturer of everything for the developed world.
We need to signal to Xi that he killed the gravy train, before it derails completely and takes us with it.
 
2020-06-30 10:17:55 AM  
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I don't know, I have faith in them. Well not Star Wars films being good, but the people of Hong Kong are gonna give China a surprise
 
2020-06-30 10:20:22 AM  

Animatronik: Anyhow, fark Beijing.

Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.


One of my favourite things about these threads is watching American right-wingers take all their fears and apprehensions and suppressed insight into what's going on in America and project it -- line by line and thought by thought --onto China to get it out of their heads and safely onto the Other.

If China did not exist, it would be necessary for conservatives to invent it.
 
2020-06-30 10:22:18 AM  

Animatronik: way south: Tyrone Slothrop: China is an authoritarian capitalist country. If it wasn't, the rest of the world wouldn't be so eager to do business with them.

Their capitalism takes an obvious back seat to their authoritarianism.
The government readily abuses workers to undercut labor rates, which is why everyone wants to do business with them. China is also willing to dump goods below the going rate if it means driving out competition. They have little interest in a free markets or competition, except where they can co-opt this to take control of another nation.

It's a planned economy. When the system messes up a plan, it does so in epic fashion.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x560]

/The difference between them and the soviets is the Russians were honest about hating us.
/China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity.
/You end up paying for your own downfall.

That's why if Biden is smart, he'll double down on the Cinese tariffs and make better deals with Mexico, EU, etc.
The Chinese have benefited from being the manufacturer of everything for the developed world.
We need to signal to Xi that he killed the gravy train, before it derails completely and takes us with it.


"If Biden is smart, he'll do all the dumb stuff that ruined Trump's presidency."

Nah. If Biden is smart, he'll end the trade war, revive the TPP, smooth some ruffled feathers across Asia, and only then confront China. Going it alone like Trump tried just revealed how much weaker America is than Americans like to think it is.
 
2020-06-30 10:34:35 AM  

pkjun: Animatronik: Anyhow, fark Beijing.

Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.

One of my favourite things about these threads is watching American right-wingers take all their fears and apprehensions and suppressed insight into what's going on in America and project it -- line by line and thought by thought --onto China to get it out of their heads and safely onto the Other.

If China did not exist, it would be necessary for conservatives to invent it.


There ya go again, justifying your "Chinapologist" farkie. Really great feature Fark has, that one.
 
2020-06-30 10:38:37 AM  
Western colonialism and imperialism was never going to have a happy ending.
Film at 11:00.
Ric Romero reporting.
 
2020-06-30 10:38:45 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: Any bets they'll move on Taiwan by the end of the year?


Not at this time.

What a lot of people don't realize is just how interconnected at an economy level Taiwan and the "One China" already is.   Almost all the large businesses based in Taiwan already have sizable operations on the mainland.  Business travel over the gap is huge.

Beijing is not going to risk (for now) a pointless confrontation that would likely ruin a big chunk of their economy.
 
2020-06-30 10:44:03 AM  

Animatronik: way south: Tyrone Slothrop: China is an authoritarian capitalist country. If it wasn't, the rest of the world wouldn't be so eager to do business with them.

Their capitalism takes an obvious back seat to their authoritarianism.
The government readily abuses workers to undercut labor rates, which is why everyone wants to do business with them. China is also willing to dump goods below the going rate if it means driving out competition. They have little interest in a free markets or competition, except where they can co-opt this to take control of another nation.

It's a planned economy. When the system messes up a plan, it does so in epic fashion.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x560]

/The difference between them and the soviets is the Russians were honest about hating us.
/China pretends to be your friend but still subverts you at every opportunity.
/You end up paying for your own downfall.

That's why if Biden is smart, he'll double down on the Cinese tariffs and make better deals with Mexico, EU, etc.
The Chinese have benefited from being the manufacturer of everything for the developed world.
We need to signal to Xi that he killed the gravy train, before it derails completely and takes us with it.


Biden was the front man on the TPP so I doubt his words will match his advisors actions. If their whole stick is a "return to normalcy" then their first act will be to normalize trade with China so they can pay back the campaign's backers.

I think Trump wanted to be more aggressive with the tariffs, but our economic interdependence is pretty deep. The democrats were already leveraging farmer's losses on crop exports to split Trump's vote in red states.
Short of open conflict causing a cutoff, I think tariffs and financial distancing is about as good as it gets for the foreseeable future. No ones going to put a hard stop before the election.

I think the short term pressure over Hong Kong has to come from more than just the US. The EU and UK need to get off their butts and join with India, Australia, the US and others to send a collective message. If just one player acts then China can counter any of them individually.

/The UN should be here.
/But China pretty much owns them now.
 
2020-06-30 10:50:06 AM  

thehighesttree: pkjun: Animatronik: Anyhow, fark Beijing.

Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.

One of my favourite things about these threads is watching American right-wingers take all their fears and apprehensions and suppressed insight into what's going on in America and project it -- line by line and thought by thought --onto China to get it out of their heads and safely onto the Other.

If China did not exist, it would be necessary for conservatives to invent it.

There ya go again, justifying your "Chinapologist" farkie. Really great feature Fark has, that one.


I hear that in China, supporters of the government are so emotionally insecure they accuse all their critics of being in the pocket of America.
 
2020-06-30 10:56:07 AM  

way south: their first act will be to normalize trade with China


Normalizing trade with EVERYONE will be rather high on the priority list of the next adult that's put in charge of the White House.

Don't you think?
 
2020-06-30 10:56:36 AM  

pkjun: Animatronik: Anyhow, fark Beijing.

Looks like Xi accelerated the process to make a point.
Most people in mainland China don't care either.  They pass around videos of rioters after Floyd as proof of lawlessness and degeneracy in the U.S. and a reminder of why the government is seizing control in Hong Kong.  Protests to many are just failures of democracy, not a valid form of expression.

In the long run, this won't benefit China - they are already losing some economic power worldwide.
in the short run, it's a huge benefit for Xi and the CCP - they get to remove a burr under the Communist saddle and score a paper win over democracy as a form of government, also reminding mainland Chinese that protest is useless and hopeless in the face of the CCP juggernaut.
They'll get you eventually and lock you away from sight until you are docile and compliant.

Xi's biggest concern, like any dictator's, is managing social unrest at home.  If China's economy contracts, he will simply remind people to tighten their belts and work hard for the long fight - like Mao did.  As long as there are external enemies to blame it on, the Chinese will count their blessings for what they have - they've been doing that for more than 2000 years.

One of my favourite things about these threads is watching American right-wingers take all their fears and apprehensions and suppressed insight into what's going on in America and project it -- line by line and thought by thought --onto China to get it out of their heads and safely onto the Other.

If China did not exist, it would be necessary for conservatives to invent it.


This is just more pro-China bullshiat from an educated China Tool.

You do the same thing in every thread about China, but the game is up - you need to go with an alt at this point and try a different approach.
No amount of sugarcoating will prettify the regime in Beijing.  The politics of democracies is ugly - but at least we have politics.

Xi is basically an emperor, no?  Now all the press in China are forced to read up on "Xi Jinping Thought" and sign an oath.  To find the equivalent in the Western world you really have to go back to King Henry the VIII.

Your defense of the CCP, as if it were a right-wing imaginary cultural construct cooked up in the U.S. as an external threat, is insanely ridiculous, and just proves again what you are really up to, with the lies and distortions.

It's too late. All the politicians are onto you anyway - there is no right or left when it comes to what happened in Hong Kong.
 
2020-06-30 10:57:32 AM  

SirEattonHogg: My wife who is still a Hong Kong national already filed for her green card.  Most people who had the means already have an out with a US, UK, Canadian or Australian passport.

The rest?  Many are scrambling for foreign papers.  Maybe UK will take some by providing more benefits to their old watered down British Overseas passport.  Taiwan announced several weeks ago they'll take people who want to leave.   A smart move as they would be easy to absorb, many are well educated/middle class and the move irritates Beijing.

Beijing probably doesn't care.  Any HK Cantonese who leave, will be replaced by loyal Mainland immigrants.  It's the end of Hong Kong for sure. Anythng that made it unique and its strengths by being outside the Mainland will be eliminated. It'll be just another shiatty Mainland city.

Anyhow, fark Beijing.


I know absolutely nothing about China's immigration policies. Do they treat people leaving their country the same way that the socialist countries of Europe did? In other words, do they prevent people from emigrating from China to other parts of the world?

If they don't prevent a people leaving, a scramble to get foreign papers may not be necessary. They may have a little bit of time available to them.
 
2020-06-30 11:07:23 AM  

BafflerMeal: Natalie Portmanteau: Bet Macau is getting real nervous.

Nope. Macau has prospered incredibly under Chinese rule. Apples and oranges. Even the colonial occupation country was different.

/Although I am annoyed that they turned the islands into a peninsula.


Macau is under the same special economic zone as Hong Kong, no?
 
2020-06-30 11:21:02 AM  
FTFA: "the law contains six articles and 66 clauses and will go into effect immediately. "

No one...really...

This is clearly the devil's work.
 
2020-06-30 11:49:32 AM  

erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*


It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?
 
2020-06-30 11:50:07 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: way south: their first act will be to normalize trade with China

Normalizing trade with EVERYONE will be rather high on the priority list of the next adult that's put in charge of the White House.

Don't you think?


No, I don't agree.
You have to bring certain industries home. We should not be buying medical supplies, let alone medicine and vital equipment, exclusively from a nation that is openly preparing for war.    We should not be giving weapons to allies that won't stand with us, and especially not without being handsomely reimbursed in both gold and favorable actions.  We should not invite workers into our system when we have droves unemployed workers here.
You can't just ship your money out to frenemies who are not returning any favors. Especially not in this climate when you certainly aren't raking in the taxes to pay for that behavior.

You either redevelop your small business sector, trades, manufacturing and agriculture sectors or you eat the rich. You should not go on a shopping spree with China unless you have already sold out and forgot to tell the voters.
 
2020-06-30 11:57:31 AM  
I told people back when this whole Corona thing started. That China released it to put down Hong Kong.
 
2020-06-30 12:11:23 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?


So when do the fine people of Texas start? Voting rights, freedom of assembly, privacy rights -- they've all been under siege for years now. But the only time I see the gun nuts break out the artillery it's to point them at the people protesting against government overreach.
 
2020-06-30 12:16:55 PM  

pkjun: GrizzlyPouch: It's preventative.  In Hong Kong you can pass a law stripping people's freedom.  They whine abt it, maybe attack some authorities with sticks, but there will be minimal casualties.

Try it in Texas, and there's going to be a ton of blood shed on both sides.  Does the government have the stomach to continue killing its own to enforce its law?

What happens When other armed citizens see the people of Texas being killed en masse? Etc.

Get it?

So when do the fine people of Texas start? Voting rights, freedom of assembly, privacy rights -- they've all been under siege for years now. But the only time I see the gun nuts break out the artillery it's to point them at the people protesting against government overreach.


Please explain how each of those has been under attack in Texas.
 
2020-06-30 12:29:19 PM  
RIP?
Leases has been there in plain language this whole 100 years.
That which never was can't die.
This was always china, mainland china, just on long term use loan.

If the people there got comfy with a different cultural norm, that's kinda of a personal problem.
but do feel free to learn the lesson that we humans just can't have longer term agreements of anything.
Because the people not yet born can't be assumed to uphold such agreements.

To imagine others wise is to live a lie.
 
2020-06-30 12:45:31 PM  
Can't say i surprised by this, CHina has long wanted the benefits of Hong Kong but without the headaches of the 1 nation 2 systems set up they agreed to when the British handed it back 1999.

I do feel sad for the folks about to be further ground down under the heel of Chinese oppression.
 
2020-06-30 12:45:59 PM  

Nadie_AZ: "Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark


They probably decided if there's going to be another Tiananmen Square action, but in Hong Kong, it's best to do it while Trump is still President because he won't do anything about it.  Heck, he'll probably say he never heard about it.
 
2020-06-30 12:48:29 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Nadie_AZ: "Chinese state-run Xinhua news agency previously reported the law would criminalize offenses such as secession, subversion against the central Chinese government, terrorism, and colluding with foreign forces."

We get to see watch China reconquer Hong Kong.

fark

They probably decided if there's going to be another Tiananmen Square action, but in Hong Kong, it's best to do it while Trump is still President because he won't do anything about it.  Heck, he'll probably say he never heard about it.


Why would it be up to Trump do something about it, and what would you have him do?
 
2020-06-30 12:53:39 PM  

Boojum2k: erik-k: Boojum2k: erik-k: pedrop357: Really too bad Hong Kong residents are disarmed.

Not once since the invention of automatic weapons has this gun-wanker fantasy ever happened in real life. Only once before then did something remotely resembling it happen, and without the clandestine support of a major Continental power (and the incredible handicap to the British of being six weeks' sail from supplies and reinforcements) the Revolution would've likely been crushed by 1778.

But surely THIS time the civilian pea shooters would've made the difference. M-hmm *wanking motion*

Ah, you have some boot polish on your lip. Just off to the side.

Keep wanking. SURELY one of these days angry civilians with guns will stop government oppression (as opposed to the historical norm of enthusiastically joining in it).

Just like how SURELY one of these days a random unprepared civilian with a gun will actually stop a mass shooting.

Mass shootings have been stopped by an armed bystander before.

But all the authoritarian regimes in the last couple of centuries have had one identical practice to begin with. Disarm the population for "safety."

Don't be surprised when the bootheel you're licking now smashes you in the face later.


You are delusional if you think that a few morbidly obese white men with guns can do anything against a dictatorship takeover.
 
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