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2020-06-30 5:01:51 AM  
Lawyers for the officers cited "multiple inappropriate public comments" from local officials that they said had already prejudiced potential jurors, including a statement last week from the Minneapolis police chief that the killing of Mr. Floyd was murder, not a failure of training.

If you have to be trained not to go around murdering people, maybe being a public servant isn't a great career choice.
 
2020-06-30 5:05:08 AM  
This is going to be a long-ass trial, and this sh*t is what's going to push the entire system to the limit. Which is the defense that has protected bad cops for so long.
 
2020-06-30 5:06:43 AM  
They're going to have to look long and hard to find anyone in the country who hasn't heard all about this already.
 
2020-06-30 7:35:03 AM  
not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.
 
2020-06-30 7:42:18 AM  

bloobeary: Lawyers for the officers cited "multiple inappropriate public comments" from local officials that they said had already prejudiced potential jurors, including a statement last week from the Minneapolis police chief that the killing of Mr. Floyd was murder, not a failure of training.

If you have to be trained not to go around murdering people, maybe being a public servant isn't a great career choice.


Police Departments are made up almost entirely of People who want to be the Big Tough Man on the Street. They get that little tin shield and they're taught that it shields them from just about everything they do after that. There is a major difference between "Police" training, and "Cop" training. The first thing rookies are taught once they're on the job is to dispense with all the "Police" training and take whatever lessons the "Cops" teach them in the field.
 
2020-06-30 7:42:18 AM  

hubiestubert: This is going to be a long-ass trial, and this sh*t is what's going to push the entire system to the limit. Which is the defense that has protected bad cops for so long.


thats ok, its not like there are not a lot of gun crimes already. Whats adding 4 more to the list?

Because you know that if they get them off the charges they are basically going to be putting a target and a bounty on the head of each of the 4 involved
 
2020-06-30 7:43:11 AM  

Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.


The chief said it was murder not a failure of training.  Because the killers went through training that they ignored.  Of course if the training is probably created to show it was done without any concern of making sure anyone actually listened to what was being said.
 
2020-06-30 7:43:41 AM  
All the state needs to ask the guy

If you saw a civilian hold with their knee to a co-workers neck, what would your response be?
 
2020-06-30 7:44:00 AM  

Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.


"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."
 
2020-06-30 7:47:31 AM  
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2020-06-30 7:48:07 AM  
Go ahead, fools. Turn this into a legal circus.
See what happens.

Pro Tip: you are not going to like it
 
2020-06-30 7:48:11 AM  
Look how was he to know that being unable to breath would kill a man?  Now cops are supposed to be medical doctors too!
 
2020-06-30 7:48:52 AM  
Anybody who didn't see this argument coming from a mile away is blind as a bat. You can't have officials running around pre-judging the defendants' guilt.

When I heard the one person call it outright murder my first thought was whether it was a deliberate attempt to corrupt the trial.
 
2020-06-30 7:50:23 AM  
Why would that influence the jury? Good percentage of the nation is bootlicks and badge bunnies.
This going to be just like Rodney King. Their going to walk. Might as well, deal with that reality, now, not later. Whole thing will wrap up in October.
 
2020-06-30 7:51:41 AM  

Deathfrogg: bloobeary: Lawyers for the officers cited "multiple inappropriate public comments" from local officials that they said had already prejudiced potential jurors, including a statement last week from the Minneapolis police chief that the killing of Mr. Floyd was murder, not a failure of training.

If you have to be trained not to go around murdering people, maybe being a public servant isn't a great career choice.

Police Departments are made up almost entirely of People who want to be the Big Tough Man on the Street. They get that little tin shield and they're taught that it shields them from just about everything they do after that. There is a major difference between "Police" training, and "Cop" training. The first thing rookies are taught once they're on the job is to dispense with all the "Police" training and take whatever lessons the "Cops" teach them in the field.


If that recent article by a former cop is accurate, training largely consists of brainwashing trainees by making them watch video after video of cops being killed in various ways.
 
2020-06-30 7:52:25 AM  
The Constitution does require a fair trial. But given the high profile nature of the case, trying to find people who remain ignorant of it is a fool's errand. The defense would be far better served by trying to filter towards people who know of it but remain committed to justice for all parties, which includes a non-sham trial with evidence presented for a jury.

Opening arguments should be "Yes, Mr Floyd is dead and there is video of my clients. But what he did was not murder because X, Y, Z" and hope to keep the jurists reminded of their oath for neutrality.
 
2020-06-30 7:53:25 AM  
Oh, pick me, pick me!  I've been practising: "George....Floyd?  Well you can say what you will, but I believe that it wasn't until after Syd left that they hit itbig.  Mondo big.  There still was quite a bit of Syd kickin' around in there, though, and I think that even then he was fundamentally..."
 
2020-06-30 7:55:44 AM  

waxbeans: Why would that influence the jury? Good percentage of the nation is bootlicks and badge bunnies.
This going to be just like Rodney King. Their going to walk. Might as well, deal with that reality, now, not later. Whole thing will wrap up in October.


Oh, you mean a plea deal?

If it goes there, there will be some jail time. On many levels, it would be the better way to go.
 
2020-06-30 7:56:42 AM  

skozlaw: You can't have officials running around pre-judging the defendants' guilt.


Tell that to Steven Avery.
 
2020-06-30 8:00:56 AM  
They should offer them a deal, three days in prison. Oh yeah, they have to spend them in gen pop.
 
2020-06-30 8:01:02 AM  
It would be a shame if someone were to take a full page ad in the New York Times proclaiming their guilt and how they need to be executed.
 
2020-06-30 8:01:49 AM  

youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."


I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.
 
2020-06-30 8:02:27 AM  

Another Government Employee: waxbeans: Why would that influence the jury? Good percentage of the nation is bootlicks and badge bunnies.
This going to be just like Rodney King. Their going to walk. Might as well, deal with that reality, now, not later. Whole thing will wrap up in October.

Oh, you mean a plea deal?

If it goes there, there will be some jail time. On many levels, it would be the better way to go.


They didn't plea in the first trial.
 
2020-06-30 8:03:54 AM  

Steakzilla: youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."

I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.


He didn't know pressure on the neck could kill!
LOL
 
2020-06-30 8:05:26 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The Constitution does require a fair trial. But given the high profile nature of the case, trying to find people who remain ignorant of it is a fool's errand. The defense would be far better served by trying to filter towards people who know of it but remain committed to justice for all parties, which includes a non-sham trial with evidence presented for a jury.

Opening arguments should be "Yes, Mr Floyd is dead and there is video of my clients. But what he did was not murder because X, Y, Z" and hope to keep the jurists reminded of their oath for neutrality.


The defenses goal probably isn't to find jurors that are actually ignorant of the story before trial.  They probably would just like the trial moved to a location that would have jurors more sympathetic to their clients.
 
2020-06-30 8:06:19 AM  

Steakzilla: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The Constitution does require a fair trial. But given the high profile nature of the case, trying to find people who remain ignorant of it is a fool's errand. The defense would be far better served by trying to filter towards people who know of it but remain committed to justice for all parties, which includes a non-sham trial with evidence presented for a jury.

Opening arguments should be "Yes, Mr Floyd is dead and there is video of my clients. But what he did was not murder because X, Y, Z" and hope to keep the jurists reminded of their oath for neutrality.

The defenses goal probably isn't to find jurors that are actually ignorant of the story before trial.  They probably would just like the trial moved to a location that would have jurors more sympathetic to their clients.


How hard can it be to find scumbags sympathetic to them?
 
2020-06-30 8:06:40 AM  
If that influences jurors, then are they admitting things like perp walks are unfairly prejudicial?
 
2020-06-30 8:09:55 AM  

lifeslammer: hubiestubert: This is going to be a long-ass trial, and this sh*t is what's going to push the entire system to the limit. Which is the defense that has protected bad cops for so long.

thats ok, its not like there are not a lot of gun crimes already. Whats adding 4 more to the list?

Because you know that if they get them off the charges they are basically going to be putting a target and a bounty on the head of each of the 4 involved


No it wont. Nobody will go after these guys.

The cops will be acquitted and the mob will explode again in rage and anger, and direct that at the businesses and homes in their own communities. Meanwhile the defendants will quietly be reinstated, put on riot gear, and be sent right back out with the rest of the goons with badges to deal with the mobs of idiots burning and looting and destroying the businesses and lives of people that had absolutely nothing to do with any of this shiat, all in the name of "Justice for George."
 
2020-06-30 8:11:16 AM  

waxbeans: Steakzilla: youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."

I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.

He didn't know pressure on the neck could kill!
LOL


Again, this hold seems to be no so uncommon and it doesn't seem to result in death very often.  So if he did this to a bunch of people and non of them died why would you automatically assume he should know Mr. Floyd would die?
 
2020-06-30 8:15:20 AM  

Alphax: They're going to have to look long and hard to find anyone in the country who hasn't heard all about this already.


That isn't necessary. All they need to do is find people who lie about not having already decided whether the cops are guilty or not.
 
2020-06-30 8:15:45 AM  

McBish: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

The chief said it was murder not a failure of training.  Because the killers went through training that they ignored.  Of course if the training is probably created to show it was done without any concern of making sure anyone actually listened to what was being said.


Their training wasn't ignored, it was treated as a "how to". 

"Don't do this" wink wink.
 
2020-06-30 8:15:49 AM  

phenn: skozlaw: You can't have officials running around pre-judging the defendants' guilt.

Tell that to Steven Avery.


Steven avery is a criminal mastermind
 
2020-06-30 8:16:26 AM  

Steakzilla: youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."

I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.


You're not a smart person
 
2020-06-30 8:16:56 AM  

Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."

I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.

He didn't know pressure on the neck could kill!
LOL

Again, this hold seems to be no so uncommon and it doesn't seem to result in death very often.  So if he did this to a bunch of people and non of them died why would you automatically assume he should know Mr. Floyd would die?


The unresponsive part
that I can't breathe part


If I said I didn't know, I'd be convicted. And it doesn't matter what the accusation is.
 
2020-06-30 8:18:02 AM  

Deathfrogg: bloobeary: Lawyers for the officers cited "multiple inappropriate public comments" from local officials that they said had already prejudiced potential jurors, including a statement last week from the Minneapolis police chief that the killing of Mr. Floyd was murder, not a failure of training.

If you have to be trained not to go around murdering people, maybe being a public servant isn't a great career choice.

Police Departments are made up almost entirely of People who want to be the Big Tough Man on the Street. They get that little tin shield and they're taught that it shields them from just about everything they do after that. There is a major difference between "Police" training, and "Cop" training. The first thing rookies are taught once they're on the job is to dispense with all the "Police" training and take whatever lessons the "Cops" teach them in the field.


Police get "trained" by a guy who calls himself an expert in "killology".
 
2020-06-30 8:19:07 AM  

Steakzilla: Again, this hold seems to be no so uncommon and it doesn't seem to result in death very often.  So if he did this to a bunch of people and non of them died why would you automatically assume he should know Mr. Floyd would die?


Reenact it perfectly and get back to me.
 
2020-06-30 8:23:27 AM  

Alphax: They're going to have to look long and hard to find anyone in the country who hasn't heard all about this already.


I don't think that's a criteria. If it were, OJ would never have a trial. They just need to find a collection of cop suckers. Maybe a few racists. Shouldn't be too hard.
 
2020-06-30 8:25:48 AM  

waxbeans: Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."

I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.

He didn't know pressure on the neck could kill!
LOL

Again, this hold seems to be no so uncommon and it doesn't seem to result in death very often.  So if he did this to a bunch of people and non of them died why would you automatically assume he should know Mr. Floyd would die?

The unresponsive part
that I can't breathe part


If I said I didn't know, I'd be convicted. And it doesn't matter what the accusation is.


I feel like I need to make this clear.  The cop was wrong in every way and I hope he gets convicted of something that puts him away for a long time.  Now that we got that out of the way, how are you so good at reading minds?  How do you know what the cop was thinking at the time?  I'm willing to accept the possibility that he knew Mr. Floyd would die and that he did it on purpose, I just wouldn't say it with absolute certainty.
 
2020-06-30 8:27:03 AM  

Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."

I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.

He didn't know pressure on the neck could kill!
LOL

Again, this hold seems to be no so uncommon and it doesn't seem to result in death very often.  So if he did this to a bunch of people and non of them died why would you automatically assume he should know Mr. Floyd would die?

The unresponsive part
that I can't breathe part


If I said I didn't know, I'd be convicted. And it doesn't matter what the accusation is.

I feel like I need to make this clear.  The cop was wrong in every way and I hope he gets convicted of something that puts him away for a long time.  Now that we got that out of the way, how are you so good at reading minds?  How do you know what the cop was thinking at the time?  I'm willing to accept the possibility that he knew Mr. Floyd would die and that he did it on purpose, I just wouldn't say it with absolute certainty.


What's funny is you think this is an isolated incident, a freak accident.
 
2020-06-30 8:31:04 AM  

Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."

I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.

He didn't know pressure on the neck could kill!
LOL

Again, this hold seems to be no so uncommon and it doesn't seem to result in death very often.  So if he did this to a bunch of people and non of them died why would you automatically assume he should know Mr. Floyd would die?

The unresponsive part
that I can't breathe part


If I said I didn't know, I'd be convicted. And it doesn't matter what the accusation is.

I feel like I need to make this clear.  The cop was wrong in every way and I hope he gets convicted of something that puts him away for a long time.  Now that we got that out of the way, how are you so good at reading minds?  How do you know what the cop was thinking at the time?  I'm willing to accept the possibility that he knew Mr. Floyd would die and that he did it on purpose, I just wouldn't say it with absolute certainty.


Well, because,
This:
https://nij.ojp.gov/library/publicati​o​ns/new-position-positional-asphyxia
Look at the date, POS
 
2020-06-30 8:36:55 AM  

waxbeans: Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."

I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.

He didn't know pressure on the neck could kill!
LOL

Again, this hold seems to be no so uncommon and it doesn't seem to result in death very often.  So if he did this to a bunch of people and non of them died why would you automatically assume he should know Mr. Floyd would die?

The unresponsive part
that I can't breathe part


If I said I didn't know, I'd be convicted. And it doesn't matter what the accusation is.

I feel like I need to make this clear.  The cop was wrong in every way and I hope he gets convicted of something that puts him away for a long time.  Now that we got that out of the way, how are you so good at reading minds?  How do you know what the cop was thinking at the time?  I'm willing to accept the possibility that he knew Mr. Floyd would die and that he did it on purpose, I just wouldn't say it with absolute certainty.

Well, because,
This:
https://nij.ojp.gov/library/publicatio​ns/new-position-positional-asphyxia
Look at the date, POS


It didn't appear as though the victim was hogtied...  Also this doesn't prove what the perpetrators thought at the time.  Why is this something to get so upset about?
 
2020-06-30 8:40:22 AM  

Steakzilla: They probably would just like the trial moved to a location that would have jurors more sympathetic to their clients.


The Moon is probably their best option in this case.

In some ways, this is going to be a sham trial. They need to (justifiably because you know, murder) throw the book at these guys. There is no defense here that can override the Rodney King LA Riots times a billion outcome of a not guilty/not going to jail outcome.
 
2020-06-30 8:41:44 AM  
Yeah, accurately describing a heinous murder would bias a potential juror. If it doesn't they would be some seriously sick mf'ers.
This cop is a murderer. We all saw it, in some cases over and over again and from several angles. Jurors should know exactly what he did, how he did it, and to whom he did it in as much detail as the English language will allow. George Floyd and his family deserve nothing less.
 
2020-06-30 8:42:52 AM  

Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: waxbeans: Steakzilla: youncasqua: Sorelian's Ghost: not a failure of training

There are euphemisms and there are holy shiats.  Sir why did you murder that man, I didn't murder him your honor I just wasn't trained on the proper way of keeping him alive.

"Nobody ever told me that a man who says 'I can't breath' with four people piled on top of him, one driving his knee into his back, and another driving his knee into his neck, who goes totally non-responsive, and doesn't register a pulse might die."

I doubt this was his first time using this technique...  I'm also willing to bet he's heard the words "I can't breath" about a million times as well.  I'm glad he lost his job and I hope he goes to jail for a while, but I can see how he might not have known the dude was going to die.

He didn't know pressure on the neck could kill!
LOL

Again, this hold seems to be no so uncommon and it doesn't seem to result in death very often.  So if he did this to a bunch of people and non of them died why would you automatically assume he should know Mr. Floyd would die?

The unresponsive part
that I can't breathe part


If I said I didn't know, I'd be convicted. And it doesn't matter what the accusation is.

I feel like I need to make this clear.  The cop was wrong in every way and I hope he gets convicted of something that puts him away for a long time.  Now that we got that out of the way, how are you so good at reading minds?  How do you know what the cop was thinking at the time?  I'm willing to accept the possibility that he knew Mr. Floyd would die and that he did it on purpose, I just wouldn't say it with absolute certainty.

Well, because,
This:
https://nij.ojp.gov/library/publicatio​ns/new-position-positional-asphyxia
Look at the date, POS

It didn't appear as though the victim was hogtied...  Also this doesn't prove what the perpetrators thought at the time.  Why is this something to get so upset about?


It shows, at least, some people, since, 1990s, have raised concerns.
/
This is just like cigarettes.
They knew it was bad decades before lawsuits.
Same thing with gasoline.
/

But on topic.
No one in law enforcement can say, they have zero reason to question the safety of this tactic.


positional asphyxia, is real. And, there is no reason to believe, cops aren't aware. They just don't care. And the public doesn't care. Because no one cares about suspects.
It's like their lives don't matter.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2020-06-30 8:43:11 AM  
Name one other trial where the police haven't said that someone was arrested for murder.

"yes we arrested the suspect, yes he's on trial, but it could have been an accident, he could have fallen backwards onto those bullets, who knows"
 
2020-06-30 8:47:12 AM  
I still think this case won't go to trial simply because there's no way they can get a fair verdict under threat of violence.
 
2020-06-30 8:54:56 AM  

Mugato: They should offer them a deal, three days in prison. Oh yeah, they have to spend them in gen pop.


May the odds be ever in your favor.
 
2020-06-30 9:01:29 AM  

Deathfrogg: bloobeary: Lawyers for the officers cited "multiple inappropriate public comments" from local officials that they said had already prejudiced potential jurors, including a statement last week from the Minneapolis police chief that the killing of Mr. Floyd was murder, not a failure of training.

If you have to be trained not to go around murdering people, maybe being a public servant isn't a great career choice.

Police Departments are made up almost entirely of People who want to be the Big Tough Man on the Street. They get that little tin shield and they're taught that it shields them from just about everything they do after that. There is a major difference between "Police" training, and "Cop" training. The first thing rookies are taught once they're on the job is to dispense with all the "Police" training and take whatever lessons the "Cops" teach them in the field.


The first thing they do in AZ is write two DUI tickets. Part of 'training'.

If that's not bullshiat, I don't know what is.
 
2020-06-30 9:03:39 AM  

snocone: Go ahead, fools. Turn this into a legal circus.
See what happens.

Pro Tip: you are not going to like it


Why even bother with a trial at this point?
 
2020-06-30 9:06:35 AM  

AuralArgument: All the state needs to ask the guy

If you saw a civilian hold with their knee to a co-workers neck, what would your response be?


Maybe duty to intervene will help. Should be the same treatment as the criminal end, if you're there and a felony goes down, you're all getting charged.
 
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