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2020-06-30 3:49:45 AM  
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2020-06-30 4:33:26 AM  
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2020-06-30 6:37:29 AM  
Thats really a waste of game dev use. HP is by far the worst possible fantasy setting to exist in gaming terms
 
2020-06-30 6:39:40 AM  

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2020-06-30 6:42:44 AM  
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2020-06-30 6:43:19 AM  

lifeslammer: Thats really a waste of game dev use. HP is by far the worst possible fantasy setting to exist in gaming terms


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2020-06-30 7:13:17 AM  
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2020-06-30 7:34:56 AM  

lifeslammer: Thats really a waste of game dev use. HP is by far the worst possible fantasy setting to exist in gaming terms


It would probably work best with a turn-based combat system, but major studios have pretty much dropped those (which, BTW, fark that, I'm sick of action RPGs).
 
2020-06-30 7:36:21 AM  
Can you create a trans girl character?
 
2020-06-30 7:48:29 AM  
If set in the 19th century, does that mean it pre-dates wizards using toilets? Which button do I press to shiat on the floor?
 
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2020-06-30 7:58:34 AM  

Valacirca: lifeslammer: Thats really a waste of game dev use. HP is by far the worst possible fantasy setting to exist in gaming terms

It would probably work best with a turn-based combat system, but major studios have pretty much dropped those (which, BTW, fark that, I'm sick of action RPGs).


The KOTOR combat system which pretended to be real time would probably be the best approach, pause whenever and as often as you want, still get that action-y feel. Worked well for the first Dragon Age as well.
 
2020-06-30 8:01:40 AM  

kryptoknightmare: Can you create a trans girl character?

Can you create a trans girl boy character?


JK Rowling fixes that for you.
 
2020-06-30 8:11:11 AM  

ippolit: kryptoknightmare: Can you create a trans girl character?

Can you create a trans girl boy character?

JK Rowling fixes that for you.


People do feel less threatened by trans-men and trans-boys, presumably because they don't notice them.
 
2020-06-30 8:19:53 AM  

kryptoknightmare: Can you create a trans girl character?


If you want to roll a female character, you need to send JK nudes to prove you're not trying anything funny.
 
2020-06-30 8:28:02 AM  

ciderczar: If set in the 19th century, does that mean it pre-dates wizards using toilets? Which button do I press to shiat on the floor?


It's a quick time event, if you fail you get a cutscene of your house elf scrubbing your soiled knickers.
 
2020-06-30 8:44:34 AM  

Klivian: Valacirca: lifeslammer: Thats really a waste of game dev use. HP is by far the worst possible fantasy setting to exist in gaming terms

It would probably work best with a turn-based combat system, but major studios have pretty much dropped those (which, BTW, fark that, I'm sick of action RPGs).

The KOTOR combat system which pretended to be real time would probably be the best approach, pause whenever and as often as you want, still get that action-y feel. Worked well for the first Dragon Age as well.


I see you think that was on purpose in DAO. The reality is they were far too lazy to actually make an intelligent AI for you team members so they made a convoluted idiotic system of micromanaging everything instead of just having your companions use shiat intelligently
 
2020-06-30 8:50:07 AM  

ciderczar: If set in the 19th century, does that mean it pre-dates wizards using toilets? Which button do I press to shiat on the floor?


. . .one of the many, MANY dumb things Rowling came up with beyond the novels.

Seriously, the idea that wizards didn't have farking chamberpots or privies?   They just urinated and defecated wherever and used magic to make it vanish?  So dumb on so many levels.

. . .like Rowling's really stupid stuff she wrote about the Wizarding version of the US, with a totalitarian apartheid state where wizards were forbidden to intermarry or even mingle with muggles for centuries (as some sort of ham-fisted commentary on American racial politics)

Seriously.  If JK Rowling had STFU after the 7th HP book came out, and just kept mostly to herself and did just some routine pleasantries, the occasional softball interview, and lived a life of quiet retirement she'd have been remembered as one of the best things to ever happen to children's literacy and have a generation of kids that remembered her fondly. . .

. . .she's managed to piss that away pretty thoroughly.
 
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2020-06-30 8:52:39 AM  
Will you be able to relieve yourself in your robes and disappear it away?
 
2020-06-30 8:56:14 AM  

Invisible Obama: ciderczar: If set in the 19th century, does that mean it pre-dates wizards using toilets? Which button do I press to shiat on the floor?

. . .one of the many, MANY dumb things Rowling came up with beyond the novels.

Seriously, the idea that wizards didn't have farking chamberpots or privies?   They just urinated and defecated wherever and used magic to make it vanish?  So dumb on so many levels.

. . .like Rowling's really stupid stuff she wrote about the Wizarding version of the US, with a totalitarian apartheid state where wizards were forbidden to intermarry or even mingle with muggles for centuries (as some sort of ham-fisted commentary on American racial politics)

Seriously.  If JK Rowling had STFU after the 7th HP book came out, and just kept mostly to herself and did just some routine pleasantries, the occasional softball interview, and lived a life of quiet retirement she'd have been remembered as one of the best things to ever happen to children's literacy and have a generation of kids that remembered her fondly. . .

. . .she's managed to piss that away pretty thoroughly.


I think it makes more sense than the rules of quidditch, less sense than the muggle-born wizards not bringing ballpoint pens.
 
2020-06-30 8:57:04 AM  

lifeslammer: Klivian: Valacirca: lifeslammer: Thats really a waste of game dev use. HP is by far the worst possible fantasy setting to exist in gaming terms

It would probably work best with a turn-based combat system, but major studios have pretty much dropped those (which, BTW, fark that, I'm sick of action RPGs).

The KOTOR combat system which pretended to be real time would probably be the best approach, pause whenever and as often as you want, still get that action-y feel. Worked well for the first Dragon Age as well.

I see you think that was on purpose in DAO. The reality is they were far too lazy to actually make an intelligent AI for you team members so they made a convoluted idiotic system of micromanaging everything instead of just having your companions use shiat intelligently


Gaming history is riddled with unintended consequences that worked out. Enjoy DAO for what it is, and ignore everything that came after it.

/also fark the fade sequence in the mage's tower. That was terrible, but the stat boosts almost make it mandatory to do first.
 
2020-06-30 9:01:39 AM  

ciderczar: Invisible Obama: ciderczar: If set in the 19th century, does that mean it pre-dates wizards using toilets? Which button do I press to shiat on the floor?

. . .one of the many, MANY dumb things Rowling came up with beyond the novels.

Seriously, the idea that wizards didn't have farking chamberpots or privies?   They just urinated and defecated wherever and used magic to make it vanish?  So dumb on so many levels.

. . .like Rowling's really stupid stuff she wrote about the Wizarding version of the US, with a totalitarian apartheid state where wizards were forbidden to intermarry or even mingle with muggles for centuries (as some sort of ham-fisted commentary on American racial politics)

Seriously.  If JK Rowling had STFU after the 7th HP book came out, and just kept mostly to herself and did just some routine pleasantries, the occasional softball interview, and lived a life of quiet retirement she'd have been remembered as one of the best things to ever happen to children's literacy and have a generation of kids that remembered her fondly. . .

. . .she's managed to piss that away pretty thoroughly.

I think it makes more sense than the rules of quidditch, less sense than the muggle-born wizards not bringing ballpoint pens.


Quidditch was her trying too hard to make up a sport where Harry could be the hero. All she needed was a flying version of soccer, and make Harry the best keeper in a generation. An unbeatable keeper is monumental in certain games, and you can even have dramatic desperate moments where Harry jumps in on offense, leaving the goal empty.

But like all sports, fans care about offense, not defense, so the keeper is rarely a star unless they are hall of fame caliber.
 
2020-06-30 9:05:05 AM  
My impression of Rowlings is she is a British hillbilly who fell ass backwards into fame and money.  But just because she managed to write a popular book doesn't mean she's not an awful person

I won't support her any further after learning her true colors.
 
2020-06-30 9:26:09 AM  

Invisible Obama: Seriously.  If JK Rowling had STFU after the 7th HP book came out, and just kept mostly to herself and did just some routine pleasantries, the occasional softball interview, and lived a life of quiet retirement she'd have been undeservedly remembered as one of the best things to ever happen to children's literacy and have a generation of kids that remembered her fondly. . .


FTFY
 
2020-06-30 9:35:59 AM  

Invisible Obama: ciderczar: If set in the 19th century, does that mean it pre-dates wizards using toilets? Which button do I press to shiat on the floor?

. . .one of the many, MANY dumb things Rowling came up with beyond the novels.

Seriously, the idea that wizards didn't have farking chamberpots or privies?   They just urinated and defecated wherever and used magic to make it vanish?  So dumb on so many levels.

. . .like Rowling's really stupid stuff she wrote about the Wizarding version of the US, with a totalitarian apartheid state where wizards were forbidden to intermarry or even mingle with muggles for centuries (as some sort of ham-fisted commentary on American racial politics)

Seriously.  If JK Rowling had STFU after the 7th HP book came out, and just kept mostly to herself and did just some routine pleasantries, the occasional softball interview, and lived a life of quiet retirement she'd have been remembered as one of the best things to ever happen to children's literacy and have a generation of kids that remembered her fondly. . .

. . .she's managed to piss that away pretty thoroughly.


I was thinking that Potter might have been the property to maintain popularity for decades like Tolkien. All she had to do was pipe down and occasionally murmur assent when someone asked if it was possible that a character was gay or otherkin or could be [insert whatever question asker was hoping to hear]
I mean that's basically what she did for "is Herminione black?"
 
2020-06-30 9:44:50 AM  
The game will be a massive success. Like it or not, the fandom is massive and most of them simply don't care about the author's hot takes.

People are still making and selling Lovecraft media and that guy was a monster.
 
2020-06-30 9:45:38 AM  

Invisible Obama: . . .one of the many, MANY dumb things Rowling came up with beyond the novels.


The Harry Potter books are better the less she thought about them. The first three or four books are fun, lighthearted children's escapist-wish-fulfilment-fantasy stories about a wizard school. It's freebasing Cinderella: the poor little orphan boy is a wizard! And a famous and beloved celebrity! And a multimillionaire! And he's amazing at a sport where he gets to be the hero in every game! And he can break all the rules because the head teacher likes him! And he can't be killed by the bad guy because his mummy loved him so much and now he's a hero! The world around Harry was...well, it was barely a world, it was more a series of gentle jokes and puns to keep things clicking from one fun wish-fulfilment scene to the next. (Which was all good and fun. Most kids' books are like that. No kid wants a fifteen-page explanation of how the BFG manages to overcome the square-cube law and ensure adequate oxygen supply to his organs.)

But the longer the series went on, the more serious she tried to make it. She tried to flesh out the world and turn her children's escapist book into Serious Dystopian Fiction, only (A) the world she built up wasn't remotely designed to sustain that, (B) the characters she build up weren't remotely designed to sustain that, (C) Rowling herself doesn't really have the social insight to sustain that. She builds Disney World, slaps a grimdark 1984 police-state filter on it...then ends it with a McGuffin Quest, good guys win, no harm no foul, Harry's a cop now.

Which isn't to say that the Harry Potter books are bad or anything. They're very successful and they deserve to be successful. But they're also sort of shambolic, which is what you get when you take a deliberately simplistic and uninterrogated children's wish-fulfilment fantasy and try to use it as a vehicle for dystopian social criticism before giving everyone a happy restore-the-status-quo ending..
 
2020-06-30 10:23:16 AM  

Klivian: ciderczar: Invisible Obama: ciderczar: If set in the 19th century, does that mean it pre-dates wizards using toilets? Which button do I press to shiat on the floor?

. . .one of the many, MANY dumb things Rowling came up with beyond the novels.

Seriously, the idea that wizards didn't have farking chamberpots or privies?   They just urinated and defecated wherever and used magic to make it vanish?  So dumb on so many levels.

. . .like Rowling's really stupid stuff she wrote about the Wizarding version of the US, with a totalitarian apartheid state where wizards were forbidden to intermarry or even mingle with muggles for centuries (as some sort of ham-fisted commentary on American racial politics)

Seriously.  If JK Rowling had STFU after the 7th HP book came out, and just kept mostly to herself and did just some routine pleasantries, the occasional softball interview, and lived a life of quiet retirement she'd have been remembered as one of the best things to ever happen to children's literacy and have a generation of kids that remembered her fondly. . .

. . .she's managed to piss that away pretty thoroughly.

I think it makes more sense than the rules of quidditch, less sense than the muggle-born wizards not bringing ballpoint pens.

Quidditch was her trying too hard to make up a sport where Harry could be the hero. All she needed was a flying version of soccer, and make Harry the best keeper in a generation. An unbeatable keeper is monumental in certain games, and you can even have dramatic desperate moments where Harry jumps in on offense, leaving the goal empty.

But like all sports, fans care about offense, not defense, so the keeper is rarely a star unless they are hall of fame caliber.


The sport would have been just fine if they just got rid of the stupid seeker / snitch deux ex machina that auto-wins the game. Three on offense, two on defense, one keeper and the game could work. Sounds a lot like ice hockey. No reason he couldn't be the wizard Wayne Gretzky.
 
2020-06-30 10:55:51 AM  
I have a problem with Trans-women playing sports against my daughter.

My daughter's soccer team played the boys soccer team their own age back in February of this year before this all started.  They were all only 7 year olds with some 6 year olds sprinkled in with late birthdays.

The boys slaughtered us and we are a good soccer team. We have about 20 girls split on 2 teams sometimes 3 teams and we pay out coaches $50/month.

By the end of the game so many of our girls had been hit in the chest with the ball so hard they were crying on the sidelines.  These were only 6-7 year olds.  Imagine the difference 7-10 years more will make.


I support Trans rights, but let's not fark over girls while we are at it.
 
2020-06-30 11:32:41 AM  

JolobinSmokin: I have a problem with Trans-women playing sports against my daughter.

My daughter's soccer team played the boys soccer team their own age back in February of this year before this all started.  They were all only 7 year olds with some 6 year olds sprinkled in with late birthdays.

The boys slaughtered us and we are a good soccer team. We have about 20 girls split on 2 teams sometimes 3 teams and we pay out coaches $50/month.

By the end of the game so many of our girls had been hit in the chest with the ball so hard they were crying on the sidelines.  These were only 6-7 year olds.  Imagine the difference 7-10 years more will make.


I support Trans rights, but let's not fark over girls while we are at it.


As with "but what if men transition just so they can attack women in bathrooms", "but what if men transition just so they can beat women in sports" is a flimsy attempt to cast discrimination as a defence of women against aggressors.

Which is one of the oldest and nastiest defences of discrimination. Racial segregation was for decades explicitly defended with "but we need to protect [white] women, imagine what would happen if you just left them alone with black men." It's an attempt to cast your approval of oppression as a defence of someone you find weak against someone whose very existence you find offensive.

Trans girls beating up cis girls in high school sporting events isn't a thing. And if it were to become a thing that a trans girl was beating up cis girls during sporting events, it would be dealt with in the same way it's dealt with any time a bigger kid is beating up on a smaller kid.

Like, the size and power differences between any two kids can be absolutely massive. You've got six foot three muscle-bound 17 year boys, and you've five foot two late-blooming skinny boys, and teachers need to figure out how to make that work without anyone getting killed. The average size disparity between a trans girl and a cis girl is much smaller than the average size disparity you're likely to get between any two randomly selected cis kids of the same gender.

It's not a problem.

/And not related to the topic of the thread, unless we're just admitting that JK Rowling's transphobia is one of the core elements of her public persona
 
2020-06-30 11:35:22 AM  
Fark jk rowling. She won't see a red cent from me. I'm sure there's some royalties tied back to her for everything with Harry Potter attached.

/never read the books
//never seen the movies
///threees
 
2020-06-30 11:46:45 AM  

pkjun: The Harry Potter books are better the less she thought about them. The first three or four books are fun, lighthearted children's escapist-wish-fulfilment-fantasy stories about a wizard school. It's freebasing Cinderella: the poor little orphan boy is a wizard! And a famous and beloved celebrity! And a multimillionaire! And he's amazing at a sport where he gets to be the hero in every game! And he can break all the rules because the head teacher likes him! And he can't be killed by the bad guy because his mummy loved him so much and now he's a hero! The world around Harry was...well, it was barely a world, it was more a series of gentle jokes and puns to keep things clicking from one fun wish-fulfilment scene to the next. (Which was all good and fun. Most kids' books are like that. No kid wants a fifteen-page explanation of how the BFG manages to overcome the square-cube law and ensure adequate oxygen supply to his organs.)

But the longer the series went on, the more serious she tried to make it. She tried to flesh out the world and turn her children's escapist book into Serious Dystopian Fiction, only (A) the world she built up wasn't remotely designed to sustain that, (B) the characters she build up weren't remotely designed to sustain that, (C) Rowling herself doesn't really have the social insight to sustain that. She builds Disney World, slaps a grimdark 1984 police-state filter on it...then ends it with a McGuffin Quest, good guys win, no harm no foul, Harry's a cop now.

Which isn't to say that the Harry Potter books are bad or anything. They're very successful and they deserve to be successful. But they're also sort of shambolic, which is what you get when you take a deliberately simplistic and uninterrogated children's wish-fulfilment fantasy and try to use it as a vehicle for dystopian social criticism before giving everyone a happy restore-the-status-quo ending..


That's a good analysis however the tonal shift in the series was always planned.  Even though it's written in third person, the world we were reading about was always through Harry's eyes.  Eleven year old Harry can't see the world the way seventeen year old Harry can so the early world building is necessarily incomplete.  I really didn't care for the later books at all for a lot of the reasons you cited, however Rowling was never trying to create a static, escapist Harry who never ages, as is typical in almost every other book series.  She set out to show us the adolescent experience of seeing the simplicity of a childhood world slowly stripped away.  She succeeded in that endeavor but as you note, a hidden magical world is an awfully hard thing to shoehorn into a modern world without a lot of boring exposition and even then, that magical world turned out to be populated with truly horrible, evil people - so evil in fact that it made no sense that this magical world could expect to remain hidden.
 
2020-06-30 12:07:30 PM  

Persnickety: pkjun: The Harry Potter books are better the less she thought about them. The first three or four books are fun, lighthearted children's escapist-wish-fulfilment-fantasy stories about a wizard school. It's freebasing Cinderella: the poor little orphan boy is a wizard! And a famous and beloved celebrity! And a multimillionaire! And he's amazing at a sport where he gets to be the hero in every game! And he can break all the rules because the head teacher likes him! And he can't be killed by the bad guy because his mummy loved him so much and now he's a hero! The world around Harry was...well, it was barely a world, it was more a series of gentle jokes and puns to keep things clicking from one fun wish-fulfilment scene to the next. (Which was all good and fun. Most kids' books are like that. No kid wants a fifteen-page explanation of how the BFG manages to overcome the square-cube law and ensure adequate oxygen supply to his organs.)

But the longer the series went on, the more serious she tried to make it. She tried to flesh out the world and turn her children's escapist book into Serious Dystopian Fiction, only (A) the world she built up wasn't remotely designed to sustain that, (B) the characters she build up weren't remotely designed to sustain that, (C) Rowling herself doesn't really have the social insight to sustain that. She builds Disney World, slaps a grimdark 1984 police-state filter on it...then ends it with a McGuffin Quest, good guys win, no harm no foul, Harry's a cop now.

Which isn't to say that the Harry Potter books are bad or anything. They're very successful and they deserve to be successful. But they're also sort of shambolic, which is what you get when you take a deliberately simplistic and uninterrogated children's wish-fulfilment fantasy and try to use it as a vehicle for dystopian social criticism before giving everyone a happy restore-the-status-quo ending..

That's a good analysis however the tonal shift in the series was always planned.  Even though it's written in third person, the world we were reading about was always through Harry's eyes.  Eleven year old Harry can't see the world the way seventeen year old Harry can so the early world building is necessarily incomplete.  I really didn't care for the later books at all for a lot of the reasons you cited, however Rowling was never trying to create a static, escapist Harry who never ages, as is typical in almost every other book series.  She set out to show us the adolescent experience of seeing the simplicity of a childhood world slowly stripped away.  She succeeded in that endeavor but as you note, a hidden magical world is an awfully hard thing to shoehorn into a modern world without a lot of boring exposition and even then, that magical world turned out to be populated with truly horrible, evil people - so evil in fact that it made no sense that this magical world could expect to remain hidden.


I think that what you describe definitely happened, and largely happened for the reasons you mention (i.e. it would have been a bit naff to have the same sort of childish story happening with a 17-year-old Harry), but I really don't get the impression it was planned.

And one big reason I don't think it was planned is that Rowling didn't really stick the landing. She didn't end with "look, all this whimsy was just forced-smiling distractions from a broken classist and racist surveillance state using fear of a boogeyman to keep everyone in line." She ended with Harry and Pals fighting and beating the boogeyman, putting everything back the way it was in Book 1, and then going off to work for the Ministry of Magic as a Wizard Cop. The plot wasn't that the scales fell out of Harry's eyes and he saw that wizard society was always dark and nasty; it was that everything was great until Wizard Hitler showed up out of nowhere and ruined everything and now that he's gone everything is great again. The darkness was all imposed by an external villain, and in the world of the books it was mostly just a coincidence (or twist of fate) that the world got darker as Harry got older.
 
2020-06-30 12:37:09 PM  
oh Good. I'm here in time for noon's JK Rowling hate thread.

If I missed it's I'd have to wait until the 1:05 thread.
 
2020-06-30 12:52:12 PM  
Having Studio Ghibli's catalogue on Netflix reminded me that Diana Wynne-Jones is out there and available for much better young adult fantasy.
 
2020-06-30 12:52:14 PM  

pkjun: JolobinSmokin: I have a problem with Trans-women playing sports against my daughter.

My daughter's soccer team played the boys soccer team their own age back in February of this year before this all started.  They were all only 7 year olds with some 6 year olds sprinkled in with late birthdays.

The boys slaughtered us and we are a good soccer team. We have about 20 girls split on 2 teams sometimes 3 teams and we pay out coaches $50/month.

By the end of the game so many of our girls had been hit in the chest with the ball so hard they were crying on the sidelines.  These were only 6-7 year olds.  Imagine the difference 7-10 years more will make.


I support Trans rights, but let's not fark over girls while we are at it.

As with "but what if men transition just so they can attack women in bathrooms", "but what if men transition just so they can beat women in sports" is a flimsy attempt to cast discrimination as a defence of women against aggressors.

Which is one of the oldest and nastiest defences of discrimination. Racial segregation was for decades explicitly defended with "but we need to protect [white] women, imagine what would happen if you just left them alone with black men." It's an attempt to cast your approval of oppression as a defence of someone you find weak against someone whose very existence you find offensive.

Trans girls beating up cis girls in high school sporting events isn't a thing. And if it were to become a thing that a trans girl was beating up cis girls during sporting events, it would be dealt with in the same way it's dealt with any time a bigger kid is beating up on a smaller kid.

Like, the size and power differences between any two kids can be absolutely massive. You've got six foot three muscle-bound 17 year boys, and you've five foot two late-blooming skinny boys, and teachers need to figure out how to make that work without anyone getting killed. The average size disparity between a trans girl and a cis girl is much smaller than ...


^
This is writing about sports in theory, not from a perspective of actually playing it.  Having actually taken a hit and know what it feels like.

But I agree, it's going to be a very small localized problem that is probably easily overcome.

Thank you for your perspective.
 
2020-06-30 1:28:13 PM  
I just never got in for RPGs set in an established hero-centric universe.

generics DnD orcs and dragons, yes, Lord of the Rings, no.
General other worldly Hp Lovecraft Horrors, yes, Stranger Things, no.
Scum and Villainy, yes, Star Wars, no

and so on and so on for me.
I just never found it interesting to  RP in a world that already has the high bar set, and anything we do just seems like fan fiction story telling to me more than my own RP.
Or to say it this way:"Pre-molded" story worlds with established heroes and story lines already, feels more like kids play house where they're not so much making it up as they go, as they are reenacting that which they already know.While a no IP established RP world, it feels like it has no glass ceilings or other story guides and we're out off trail, off leash, allowed to make it up ourselves as we go.And working in an established IP RP, brings out people's inner nerd to nerd rage on how the fan fic should go and what is or is not acceptable to cannon.
 
2020-06-30 1:54:59 PM  
I've decided that as bonkers as it is, the correct Harry Potter canon comes from Yudkowsky's HPMOR, and thus the movies are some sort of delusional, but entertaining fever dream.
 
2020-06-30 3:00:33 PM  

Invisible Obama: ciderczar: If set in the 19th century, does that mean it pre-dates wizards using toilets? Which button do I press to shiat on the floor?

. . .one of the many, MANY dumb things Rowling came up with beyond the novels.

Seriously, the idea that wizards didn't have farking chamberpots or privies?   They just urinated and defecated wherever and used magic to make it vanish?  So dumb on so many levels.

. . .like Rowling's really stupid stuff she wrote about the Wizarding version of the US, with a totalitarian apartheid state where wizards were forbidden to intermarry or even mingle with muggles for centuries (as some sort of ham-fisted commentary on American racial politics)

Seriously.  If JK Rowling had STFU after the 7th HP book came out, and just kept mostly to herself and did just some routine pleasantries, the occasional softball interview, and lived a life of quiet retirement she'd have been remembered as one of the best things to ever happen to children's literacy and have a generation of kids that remembered her fondly. . .

. . .she's managed to piss that away pretty thoroughly.


She COULD have left the first 3 books ad a delightful trilogy but...here we are.

The more I read Discworld, the more I retroactively loathe all Potter works. Even as YA, the whole meta story is painfully packed on to a fun kids story.
 
2020-06-30 3:03:03 PM  

pkjun: Invisible Obama: . . .one of the many, MANY dumb things Rowling came up with beyond the novels.

The Harry Potter books are better the less she thought about them. The first three or four books are fun, lighthearted children's escapist-wish-fulfilment-fantasy stories about a wizard school. It's freebasing Cinderella: the poor little orphan boy is a wizard! And a famous and beloved celebrity! And a multimillionaire! And he's amazing at a sport where he gets to be the hero in every game! And he can break all the rules because the head teacher likes him! And he can't be killed by the bad guy because his mummy loved him so much and now he's a hero! The world around Harry was...well, it was barely a world, it was more a series of gentle jokes and puns to keep things clicking from one fun wish-fulfilment scene to the next. (Which was all good and fun. Most kids' books are like that. No kid wants a fifteen-page explanation of how the BFG manages to overcome the square-cube law and ensure adequate oxygen supply to his organs.)

But the longer the series went on, the more serious she tried to make it. She tried to flesh out the world and turn her children's escapist book into Serious Dystopian Fiction, only (A) the world she built up wasn't remotely designed to sustain that, (B) the characters she build up weren't remotely designed to sustain that, (C) Rowling herself doesn't really have the social insight to sustain that. She builds Disney World, slaps a grimdark 1984 police-state filter on it...then ends it with a McGuffin Quest, good guys win, no harm no foul, Harry's a cop now.

Which isn't to say that the Harry Potter books are bad or anything. They're very successful and they deserve to be successful. But they're also sort of shambolic, which is what you get when you take a deliberately simplistic and uninterrogated children's wish-fulfilment fantasy and try to use it as a vehicle for dystopian social criticism before giving everyone a happy restore-the-status-quo ending..


Uh, yeah, this guy said it way better.
 
2020-06-30 4:01:12 PM  
I hear it will come bundled with support for conversion therapy!

fark JKR.
 
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