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2020-06-30 6:57:57 AM  
Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.
 
2020-06-30 7:18:49 AM  
Still on the edge of uncanny-valley
 
2020-06-30 8:32:41 AM  

Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.


Just wait or can't wait?
 
2020-06-30 8:32:42 AM  

Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.


They already have.

\the really weird thing is hearing someone else's voice coming from a famous actor's face
 
2020-06-30 8:33:16 AM  
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2020-06-30 8:34:33 AM  
Subby could have just written "Fake news" as the title to the article. It would have been descriptive and accurate.
 
2020-06-30 8:36:13 AM  

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2020-06-30 8:36:21 AM  
Disney's interest in this lends some credence to the Star Wars rumors.
They might be able to fix in post what was ruined in production.
 
2020-06-30 8:37:08 AM  

Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.


I'm far more afraid of it being done that some political operative
 
2020-06-30 8:38:18 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.

They already have.


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Can confirm.
 
2020-06-30 8:39:46 AM  

Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.


Just wait until politicians and world leaders get ahold of this.
 
2020-06-30 8:40:16 AM  

way south: Disney's interest in this lends some credence to the Star Wars rumors.
They might be able to fix in post what was ruined in production.


So they're going to totally redo 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, and 9?!
 
2020-06-30 8:40:57 AM  
Spielberg was doing face swapping (legally) as far back as Jurassic Park, and (illegally) Back to the Future 2.

So stunt doubles won't have to hide their faces anymore, and sex scenes with body doubles won't require such careful editing. But actors do own their faces (since Back to the Future 2) so we'll still have to hire the actors.Back to the Future 2
 
2020-06-30 9:22:37 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.

They already have.

\the really weird thing is hearing someone else's voice coming from a famous actor's face


I saw one with 'I Dream of Jeannie' and they nailed it.

Both in the visual, and well, you know...
 
2020-06-30 9:39:30 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Spielberg was doing face swapping (legally) as far back as Jurassic Park, and (illegally) Back to the Future 2.

So stunt doubles won't have to hide their faces anymore, and sex scenes with body doubles won't require such careful editing. But actors do own their faces (since Back to the Future 2) so we'll still have to hire the actors.Back to the Future 2


Meh.  It was predicted in The Running Man which is from 1987.
 
2020-06-30 9:54:57 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Spielberg was doing face swapping (legally) as far back as Jurassic Park, and (illegally) Back to the Future 2.

So stunt doubles won't have to hide their faces anymore, and sex scenes with body doubles won't require such careful editing. But actors do own their faces (since Back to the Future 2) so we'll still have to hire the actors.Back to the Future 2


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They currently have a solution for some stunt shots.
 
2020-06-30 10:04:46 AM  

WhiskeySticks: way south: Disney's interest in this lends some credence to the Star Wars rumors.
They might be able to fix in post what was ruined in production.

So they're going to totally redo 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, and 9?!


Rumor was, and take this with a Death Star sized grain of salt, that they'd chuck 7-8-9 into the "legends" bin and start over.  Rey will be an alternate universe figment of JJ's imagination and a proper story arc will rise to fill the sequel trilogies place.  There will be touch ups to the first six and movies from Mandelorian and other TV spin offs to make this happen.

I think the problem isn't so much the story itself (Star wars isn't exactly hard sci-fi), it's that at least one leading cast member has passed and some others might not want to return (Harrison Ford in particular).
Also, if you're trying to fill the gap between ROTJ and where Force awakens would have picked up, you'll need look-alike actors in a bunch of age ranges.

They paid a pretty penny for a young CGI Leia in Rogue one. Getting an hour of her across a few episodes and movies would be cost prohibitive.
...Unless you can deep fake so good that people give it a pass.


/While creepy, this technology would open up a bunch of similar options.
/of course modern film scripts suck, so it can also cause atrocious sequels/remakes.
 
2020-06-30 11:38:09 AM  
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2020-06-30 11:38:19 AM  

Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.


Fantasy sports is really where this will take off.

Imagine seeing the '69 Mets playing against the '22 Giants.

Or the 1950 Chicago Bears vs the 1986 Chicago Bears.

Why would ESPN pay to show a current game when there would be an infinite number of computer generated games they could show?  With no players to actually pay, it would be pure profit for team owners.
 
2020-06-30 12:04:12 PM  
I'm both excited for and disheartened against everything to do with deepfakes.

The plus: Cool technology that could be used in innovative ways

The negative: Even more tools for movie studies to churn out the exact same movies with the exact same 5 people...

I mean we ALL know that Hollywood will in a heartbeat just resurrect any half decent star from the last 20 years (or more *cough* James Dean *cough*) and just reuse them for the next 40 years.  Instead of having to deal with an actually living, breathing, and needing pay, actor.

Don't EVEN get me started on politics... I would bet good money that the RNaziC along with Dump will post some BS deepfake of Biden spewing nonsense near the end of October. They wouldn't care how much they are sued for libel if it gave them the election. Even if less than a few hours after it's "leaked" it's proven to be utter shiat that won't stop FOX and ONN from putting it on repeat every 15 minutes up to and after the election. You can't put toothpaste back in the tube and they will damn sure throw as around as much toothpaste as possible if it gives them an advantage.
 
2020-06-30 12:19:23 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.


Fantasy sports is really where this will take off.

Imagine seeing the '69 Mets playing against the '22 Giants.

Or the 1950 Chicago Bears vs the 1986 Chicago Bears.

Why would ESPN pay to show a current game when there would be an infinite number of computer generated games they could show?  With no players to actually pay, it would be pure profit for team owners.


ESPN would pay because hardly anyone who watches sports gives a damn about anything except live action.  That goes double for anyone involved in sports betting.  Even "Fantasy Leagues' are based on real game outcomes.

/Yes, a few sports fans exist who watch old teams over and over
//Yes, there is a small market for imaginary sports, but the tabletop and EA people have it covered
///The larger problem is that imaginary TV sports will be rigged for ratings, not for true contest
 
2020-06-30 12:23:02 PM  

way south: Disney's interest in this lends some credence to the Star Wars rumors.
They might be able to fix in post what was ruined in production.


Princess Leia returns

And Weird Al called it, they'll be playing those characters till the end of time.
 
2020-06-30 12:48:16 PM  
The application of this kind of tech in entertainment makes a good deal of sense.

The reality of how this tech is going to be used without proper ethical guidelines is terrifying.
 
2020-06-30 4:23:23 PM  
Which I guess explains why Leia looked so obviously fake at the end of Rogue One.
 
2020-06-30 7:37:32 PM  

lack of warmth: way south: Disney's interest in this lends some credence to the Star Wars rumors.
They might be able to fix in post what was ruined in production.

Princess Leia returns

And Weird Al called it, they'll be playing those characters till the end of time.


Star wars May be a special case.
If this was marvel or dc then as irreplaceable a joker/ledger or stark/Downey is you can always reboot with a new cast and maybe find equally viable talent. Star Wars can't be rebooted in the same way since Disney wants to ride off the originals popularity by tying them in.

You can't really replace the actor with this. You can imitate their performance in a utilitarian way, using their face, but it's never really the same performance.
Carrie Fisher has passed and there's no way to properly reunite the cast now. They can try to fix things enough to salvage the idea of a sequel trilogy. But the only point would be to reach a point where you can spin it off to new talent.

I think they just need her to play the role one last time. Get the handoff right and never leave a forty year gap in the franchise again.
 
2020-06-30 8:41:36 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.

They already have.

\the really weird thing is hearing someone else's voice coming from a famous actor's face


Actually I think that Deepfakes are going to be one of the best things to ever happen for mainstream actresses once they reach a point where you can't tell they are fake.  Just think about it. None of them will have to worry about their sex videos leaking out because if they do everybody will assume that it's just another Deepfake.
 
2020-07-01 8:22:44 AM  

Noah_Tall: Tyrone Slothrop: Mugato: Far be it for me to want to stifle technology in filmmaking but this shiat is going to get out of control. Just wait until the porn industry gets ahold of this.

They already have.

\the really weird thing is hearing someone else's voice coming from a famous actor's face

Actually I think that Deepfakes are going to be one of the best things to ever happen for mainstream actresses once they reach a point where you can't tell they are fake.  Just think about it. None of them will have to worry about their sex videos leaking out because if they do everybody will assume that it's just another Deepfake.


Yep, plausible deniability for Trump's pee-pee tape.
 
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