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2020-06-30 2:00:11 AM  
Universal health care completely failed to address the raging poor white trash inferiority complex pandemic.
/Checkmateliblardocare
 
2020-06-30 2:26:25 AM  
And here I thought all people being humans who occasionally get sick was a good enough reason. Silly me.
 
2020-06-30 5:21:59 AM  
BuT HoW dO wE PaY fOr iT?
 
2020-06-30 7:09:48 AM  
"Nancy Pelosi gets a version of it through the House of Representatives. It comes to your desk. Do you veto it?" MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell asked Biden during an interview Monday night.

"I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now," Biden responded.

Vote blue!
 
2020-06-30 7:11:39 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: BuT HoW dO wE PaY fOr iT?


The equivalent of 100 bucks a month from each and every man, woman, and child in the country.  Nets us about 4.8 trillion dollars a year.  Cheaper than any health insurance plan.  Medicare for All.
 
2020-06-30 7:18:25 AM  

PainSorrowLoss: AdmirableSnackbar: BuT HoW dO wE PaY fOr iT?

The equivalent of 100 bucks a month from each and every man, woman, and child in the country.  Nets us about 4.8 trillion dollars a year.  Cheaper than any health insurance plan.  Medicare for All.


And if need be, we stop bombing other people's farking countries to play the rich people's version of Hungry Hungry Hippos. You know, since the military-industrial complex is already a bloated self-aware pile of derp.
 
2020-06-30 7:19:57 AM  

PainSorrowLoss: AdmirableSnackbar: BuT HoW dO wE PaY fOr iT?

The equivalent of 100 bucks a month from each and every man, woman, and child in the country.  Nets us about 4.8 trillion dollars a year.  Cheaper than any health insurance plan.  Medicare for All.


Except you'll still get 30% of the population balking at the prospect of their $100 going towards treating a minority and will then proceed to burn the country to the ground rather than being part of a functional civilized society.
 
2020-06-30 7:20:14 AM  
Republicans: It's not a flaw, it's a feature.
 
2020-06-30 7:21:40 AM  
Oh please, just because people are out of work and have no income doesn't mean they can't pay Cobra right? If every family donates blood every few days at different clinics so they don't get caught then they would be able to afford it, amirite?
 
2020-06-30 7:22:15 AM  

AngryDragon: "Nancy Pelosi gets a version of it through the House of Representatives. It comes to your desk. Do you veto it?" MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell asked Biden during an interview Monday night.

"I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now," Biden responded.

Vote blue!


You and I interpreted that answer in very different ways.

He never said anything about being against M4A or anything similar for all Americans. That sounded like he was worried about the transition period. If a bill is rushed or a rollout plagued with problems, it could take months for previously-covered Americans to have their new coverage kick in. In that time, thousands could go without medication, thousands more could have medical debts piling up. He's already seen one major change to health insurance with a bad rollout, and he knows damn well how much it set back that cause.

If an M4A bill with a rock-solid transition plan and multiple failsafes passes both houses, he'll sign it before the ink is dry.
 
2020-06-30 7:26:09 AM  
Everybody except the insurance companies.  Everybody except the 1%.
 
2020-06-30 7:26:28 AM  
See Trump said he would get us universal health care.  Promises made, promises, well not kept yet, but it's looking more likely than it did under O'Bummer.
 
2020-06-30 7:27:21 AM  

clkeagle: AngryDragon: "Nancy Pelosi gets a version of it through the House of Representatives. It comes to your desk. Do you veto it?" MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell asked Biden during an interview Monday night.

"I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now," Biden responded.

Vote blue!

You and I interpreted that answer in very different ways.

He never said anything about being against M4A or anything similar for all Americans. That sounded like he was worried about the transition period. If a bill is rushed or a rollout plagued with problems, it could take months for previously-covered Americans to have their new coverage kick in. In that time, thousands could go without medication, thousands more could have medical debts piling up. He's already seen one major change to health insurance with a bad rollout, and he knows damn well how much it set back that cause.

If an M4A bill with a rock-solid transition plan and multiple failsafes passes both houses, he'll sign it before the ink is dry.


His first words to answer the question were "I would veto" which means he's against universal health care. If he were for universal health care then his response would have been that he would work to make sure his concerns were addressed, not politician-speak for "I will veto to the fark out of it." Fark his weasel words, and your entire post here. You know what he said and what he meant, and it seems as though you agree with him that universal health care is bad and should be vetoed.
 
2020-06-30 7:29:28 AM  

PainSorrowLoss: AdmirableSnackbar: BuT HoW dO wE PaY fOr iT?

The equivalent of 100 bucks a month from each and every man, woman, and child in the country.  Nets us about 4.8 trillion dollars a year.  Cheaper than any health insurance plan.  Medicare for All.


That's only $36 billion a year.  It's an accounting error in our current health care system.  It's about the combined cost of a single F-35 fighter jet, to put things in perspective.
There are a few reasons we won't have single payer.  The first is misinformation; moneyed interests have already convinced seniors on single payer that Medicare for all will bankrupt the system leading to cuts in senior care, there is a similar story for union employees who don't want to give up their Cadillac insurance plans.  Second is that health care employs large numbers of people, from records, billing, debt collections, and actual providers.  Simplifying the system would result in many thousands of jobs lost.
The next logical step would be to heavily subsidize higher education, and increase taxes on the wealthy to pay for the program.  They will fight this vigorously and half of this country have no critical thinking skills or independent thoughts.
What would work is that CA, MA, and other states enact single payer and bankrupt the private sector.
In reality, we can't afford to continue with the current system anyway.  It's too expensive, it rations care, and we currently have half of our health care professionals out of work and hospitals closed or working with cuts to workers wages in a pandemic.
Hopefully I am called for jury duty in the coming lawsuits.  The insurance firms need to pay up, they took the premiums after all.
 
2020-06-30 7:30:34 AM  
Soshalisms: The silent killer.
 
2020-06-30 7:32:18 AM  
La salute non si paga.

I survived cancer. Thankfully the ACA was in full tilt when that occurred and I was able to obtain medicaid as a supplemental insurance to my employer based insurance (which did not cover copays). Had I no insurance, I would probably not be typing this right now.

It is incredibly irresponsible to create a profit incentive for healthcare. This pandemic is proving it.
 
2020-06-30 7:34:24 AM  
Mental health for these three very scared white peoples

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2020-06-30 7:35:31 AM  
52%+ Americans are currently unemployed.

And climbing.

Over half of Americans will no longer have health insurance during a pandemic.

President Trump is trying to end Obamacare during a pandemic.

Liberate America from lockdown he said.

That's a bold plan Cotton. Let's see how this works out for President Chump.
 
2020-06-30 7:38:54 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: 52%+ Americans are currently unemployed.

And climbing.


I hate to accuse you of making that up, but, well, here we are.
 
2020-06-30 7:40:02 AM  

Astorix: Mental health for these three very scared white peoples

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Huh, I never thought a 78 year old grandmother would be a member of MS-13.  Or did he mean the other side?  I'd guess I'd have to say the six year old would be them member, the Mom and Dad seem a little doughy for gang life.

//sorry Tricia and John, you could stand to lose a few pounds.
 
2020-06-30 7:40:05 AM  
You mean its time to strip hospitals of the power of making the prices for the bullshiat they preform and force them to go off of a state list instead?

Which would instantly get rid of all sorts of bogus charges and felonious markups
 
2020-06-30 7:42:19 AM  

AngryDragon: "Nancy Pelosi gets a version of it through the House of Representatives. It comes to your desk. Do you veto it?" MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell asked Biden during an interview Monday night.

"I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now," Biden responded.

Vote blue!


In your opinion, did Biden's statement come anywhere close to addressing the question he was asked?

Because your derp about him vetoing a hypothetical universal healthcare bill requires you to lie and say yes, but I'd like to see you attempt to justify that.
 
2020-06-30 7:42:25 AM  
It's easy if you're not insane.
 
2020-06-30 7:43:18 AM  
In other healthcare news:

Trump admin tries to push cost of COVID-19 tests required to go back to work onto workers: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/​06/familie​s-first-act-coronavirus-testing-trump-​health-insurance?fbclid=IwAR3BJ4nABcuk​Q9-9lpqcnzuR8yynS_LEBfq8YwNC8EbkaPdOuO​tsYSugxGo

Pharmaceutical company sets prices for COVID-19 treatment at $519 per dose: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06​/29/hea​lth/coronavirus-remdesivir-gilead.html​

Apparently, in the latter case, that price is far more reasonable than people expected but, still, out of reach of the many, many Americans without health insurance.

What a great, humane country!
 
2020-06-30 7:45:44 AM  

thurstonxhowell: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: 52%+ Americans are currently unemployed.

And climbing.

I hate to accuse you of making that up, but, well, here we are.


I have read unemployment is something like 15% to maybe 22%.  The COVID-19 relief bill is actually paying many Americans more than they made at their old jerbs.
So "unemployment scary" doesn't apply to this crisis yet.  Congress will surely extend the benefits through December 31st because election.
Let's see where we are in February, who is POTUS, and whether or not the senate flips.
 
2020-06-30 7:47:39 AM  

thurstonxhowell: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: 52%+ Americans are currently unemployed.

And climbing.

I hate to accuse you of making that up, but, well, here we are.


I think he's reversed his numbers, but even then it's deceptive (unless he has more recent data than I can find): https://fred.stlouisfed.org/se​ries/EMR​ATIO

I've seen this stat thrown around a lot recently. It shows 53% of total population employed, not unemployed. And, of course, one has to question how useful measuring what percent of the total population is employed unless you carefully contextualize it considering the population number includes children, the disabled, and retired folks.
 
2020-06-30 7:54:21 AM  

Northern: thurstonxhowell: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: 52%+ Americans are currently unemployed.

And climbing.

I hate to accuse you of making that up, but, well, here we are.

I have read unemployment is something like 15% to maybe 22%.  The COVID-19 relief bill is actually paying many Americans more than they made at their old jerbs.
So "unemployment scary" doesn't apply to this crisis yet.  Congress will surely extend the benefits through December 31st because election.
Let's see where we are in February, who is POTUS, and whether or not the senate flips.


What Covid releif bill? I haven't seen any Covid releif bill. I'm getting $175/week in unemployment. Luckily I have savings but if I didn't I'd be on the street like a lot of people are. People making more now than if they were working is a bullshiat Republican talking point.
 
2020-06-30 8:02:01 AM  
The entire modus operandiof the US healthcare system has been exposed due to its fatal, unforeseen flaw: mass unemployment. In a global pandemic.
 
2020-06-30 8:02:21 AM  
People who are unemployed still can get coverage ordinarily under their current plans, so this is a specious argument for nationalized health care.  There are better ones.
 
2020-06-30 8:06:20 AM  

Animatronik: People who are unemployed still can get coverage ordinarily under their current plans, so this is a specious argument for nationalized health care.  There are better ones.


Um... What? If you don't have an employer, how exactly do you still have access to your employer's health benefits?
 
2020-06-30 8:06:42 AM  
Too many people on the left who have employer provided healthcare can't admit that their ingrained racism prefers the have and have nots system when it comes to healthcare coverage so we won't get it.  Not smart enough to see that they can't process an equitable society without classes based on race so they need a placeholder.

Mainstream dems like Biden have fault here, but this is mostly on the democratic electorate.  The voters with employer provided healthcare simply do not want the poors to have it.  Can't expect the weather vanes we elect to point a different direction than we do.
 
2020-06-30 8:12:07 AM  
Dear NY Times,

If you're so interested in making health care free for everyone, go ahead and start making all of your articles free to view.

Thanks
 
2020-06-30 8:12:48 AM  

clkeagle: Animatronik: People who are unemployed still can get coverage ordinarily under their current plans, so this is a specious argument for nationalized health care.  There are better ones.

Um... What? If you don't have an employer, how exactly do you still have access to your employer's health benefits?


COBRA.

Of course, if you're unemployed, good luck being able to afford it.
 
2020-06-30 8:13:48 AM  

Animatronik: People who are unemployed still can get coverage ordinarily under their current plans, so this is a specious argument for nationalized health care.  There are better ones.


Having no job and no income makes it pretty tough to pay for cobra, simpleton.
 
2020-06-30 8:15:46 AM  
If only we had a couple of candidates that had foreseen this and warned us.

I've been arguing for years that universal health care wasn't just some lefty feel-good issue. That it was central to national security and a stable strong economy. This is why Biden should pick Warren. And why he should swing his platform at the "convention" to include UHC. He should sell it like a republican would, talk up the benefits to the economy and national security. Don't get bogged down on costs, just say it will pay for itself (which unlike their policies, this actually will). When Trump argues against it just pivot to how manufacturing being closed is hurting the troops. They may be covered themselves but they are still getting infected because of people walking around with the virus. They have to be having trouble getting supplies from closed manufacturing etc.

If Biden could pass UHC and real justice reform in his one term he would go down as a great president. Both are completely obtainable in the current political climate. He needs to strike while the iron is hot.
 
2020-06-30 8:15:47 AM  

eKonk: clkeagle: Animatronik: People who are unemployed still can get coverage ordinarily under their current plans, so this is a specious argument for nationalized health care.  There are better ones.

Um... What? If you don't have an employer, how exactly do you still have access to your employer's health benefits?

COBRA.

Of course, if you're unemployed, good luck being able to afford it.


That shiat's expensive.
 
2020-06-30 8:15:56 AM  
Wouldn't benefit me at all.. so stop lying.
 
2020-06-30 8:23:24 AM  

willwall: If only we had a couple of candidates that had foreseen this and warned us.

I've been arguing for years that universal health care wasn't just some lefty feel-good issue. That it was central to national security and a stable strong economy. This is why Biden should pick Warren. And why he should swing his platform at the "convention" to include UHC. He should sell it like a republican would, talk up the benefits to the economy and national security. Don't get bogged down on costs, just say it will pay for itself (which unlike their policies, this actually will). When Trump argues against it just pivot to how manufacturing being closed is hurting the troops. They may be covered themselves but they are still getting infected because of people walking around with the virus. They have to be having trouble getting supplies from closed manufacturing etc.

If Biden could pass UHC and real justice reform in his one term he would go down as a great president. Both are completely obtainable in the current political climate. He needs to strike while the iron is hot.


We are not getting shiat but crippling austerity and a more Authoritarian police state,
 
2020-06-30 8:25:26 AM  
How is Russia offering bounties on troops different thsn giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?
 
2020-06-30 8:26:00 AM  

great_tigers: Dear NY Times,

If you're so interested in making health care free for everyone, go ahead and start making all of your articles free to view.

Thanks


Great.
Now we're gonna pay a NY Times tax.

No one said " free" healthcare.
 
2020-06-30 8:26:49 AM  

Mugato: eKonk: clkeagle: Animatronik: People who are unemployed still can get coverage ordinarily under their current plans, so this is a specious argument for nationalized health care.  There are better ones.

Um... What? If you don't have an employer, how exactly do you still have access to your employer's health benefits?

COBRA.

Of course, if you're unemployed, good luck being able to afford it.

That shiat's expensive.


I remember when I got laid off from a job in 2001. I got my COBRA paperwork, and I laughed and laughed and laughed and that was before 19 years of out-of-control cost growth.

Of all the sick jokes our government plays on us, COBRA may well be one of the sicker ones. How do we increase access to healthcare? I know! Let's ask a recently unemployed person to pay the full price-tag of their health insurance! That will definitely work!
 
2020-06-30 8:27:21 AM  
Reminder that Joe is to the right of Hillary on universal health care (it will never happen vs. I will veto it)
 
2020-06-30 8:28:05 AM  

dwrash: Wouldn't benefit me at all.. so stop lying.


The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and of jackwagons like yourself.
 
2020-06-30 8:28:54 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Reminder that Joe is to the right of Hillary on universal health care (it will never happen vs. I will veto it)


Reminder that you you support Trump with the stupid garbage you post here.
 
2020-06-30 8:34:21 AM  

Podna: willwall: If only we had a couple of candidates that had foreseen this and warned us.

I've been arguing for years that universal health care wasn't just some lefty feel-good issue. That it was central to national security and a stable strong economy. This is why Biden should pick Warren. And why he should swing his platform at the "convention" to include UHC. He should sell it like a republican would, talk up the benefits to the economy and national security. Don't get bogged down on costs, just say it will pay for itself (which unlike their policies, this actually will). When Trump argues against it just pivot to how manufacturing being closed is hurting the troops. They may be covered themselves but they are still getting infected because of people walking around with the virus. They have to be having trouble getting supplies from closed manufacturing etc.

If Biden could pass UHC and real justice reform in his one term he would go down as a great president. Both are completely obtainable in the current political climate. He needs to strike while the iron is hot.

We are not getting shiat but crippling austerity and a more Authoritarian police state,


You'd hope we'd learn from the history of Europe. Both during the recent financial issues where austerity failed miserably and from the pre ww2 history of how austerity and nationalism can breed tyrants and war. But sadly you're probably right.
 
2020-06-30 8:34:44 AM  

Northern: PainSorrowLoss: AdmirableSnackbar: BuT HoW dO wE PaY fOr iT?

The equivalent of 100 bucks a month from each and every man, woman, and child in the country.  Nets us about 4.8 trillion dollars a year.  Cheaper than any health insurance plan.  Medicare for All.


That's only $36 billion a year...


I think you're both mistaken. It would be about $36 billion per month. So still well short of what we currently spend. Which is about double what modern countries spend on generally universal healthcare with better outcomes. $1200 per year per person is still several times short.

But that's not an implementation problem, just in understanding the scope of the situation. I think "how do we pay for it?" is an inherently dumb challenge. There will be a lot of work to build a system, but the implication that it's impossibly expensive is willfully ignorant. WE ALREADY PAY MUCH MORE - that's one of the big problems with our current system. Workers and/or employers pay shiatloads in the current system between insurance premium and non-covered medical costs. That money is what will pay for it.

dwrash: Wouldn't benefit me at all.. so stop lying.


Even if there's never an effective medication for a subhuman lack of empathy, you would benefit if everyone in your community had access to the same kind of healthcare you apparently enjoy. Your employees don't come to work sick and cause widespread absences, your food distribution & prep workers get preventative and reactive care that reduces illnesses they spread. Your community emergency rooms are not crowded with people who've waited until a moderate problem was dire, so you will have better access to urgent care when you really need it.
 
2020-06-30 8:36:34 AM  

NuclearPenguins: dwrash: Wouldn't benefit me at all.. so stop lying.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and of jackwagons like yourself.


This is America, which is founded on choices... we fought a war and gained our independence because of it.

Anyhow, anyone that has watched our government operate for the last 40 years and wants to turn over their healthcare choices to it, is a special kind of a moron.

Our governments functionality is only going to get worse.. it is not going to get better... it doesn't matter who is president or who we elect to congress.  Its reached peak institutional inertia and our politicians only care about getting reelected and not improving government.

And apparently we are a country full of morons at the moment.
 
2020-06-30 8:38:12 AM  

OccamsWhiskers: dwrash: Wouldn't benefit me at all.. so stop lying.


Even if there's never an effective medication for a subhuman lack of empathy, you would benefit if everyone in your community had access to the same kind of healthcare you apparently enjoy. Your employees don't come to work sick and cause widespread absences, your food distribution & prep workers get preventative and reactive care that reduces illnesses they spread. Your community emergency rooms are not crowded with people who've waited until a moderate problem was dire, so you will have better access to urgent care when you really need it.


This has nothing to do with empathy... and everything about the subhumans that think OUR government is up to this task.. it isn't... and never will be.
 
2020-06-30 8:41:39 AM  

dwrash: NuclearPenguins: dwrash: Wouldn't benefit me at all.. so stop lying.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and of jackwagons like yourself.

This is America, which is founded on choices... we fought a war and gained our independence because of it.

Anyhow, anyone that has watched our government operate for the last 40 years and wants to turn over their healthcare choices to it, is a special kind of a moron.

Our governments functionality is only going to get worse.. it is not going to get better... it doesn't matter who is president or who we elect to congress.  Its reached peak institutional inertia and our politicians only care about getting reelected and not improving government.

And apparently we are a country full of morons at the moment.


It's only going to get worse because of THIS attitude. You have been brainwashed into believing government is inevitably hapless and then vote for politicians who set out to prove it. This is a self-created problem.

We can have an effective government. We have before. Defeatists like you need to go away.
 
2020-06-30 8:41:56 AM  

dwrash: NuclearPenguins: dwrash: Wouldn't benefit me at all.. so stop lying.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and of jackwagons like yourself.

This is America, which is founded on choices... we fought a war and gained our independence because of it.

Anyhow, anyone that has watched our government operate for the last 40 years and wants to turn over their healthcare choices to it, is a special kind of a moron.

Our governments functionality is only going to get worse.. it is not going to get better... it doesn't matter who is president or who we elect to congress.  Its reached peak institutional inertia and our politicians only care about getting reelected and not improving government.

And apparently we are a country full of morons at the moment.


The only moron here is one that doesn't want every single citizen of this country to have health care regardless of income/employment status. In short, you bring nothing of value to this country and we would be much better of without you and your ilk.
 
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