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(Politicus USA)   Wounded veteran Tammy Duckworth is out of f*cks to give, tears Trump up and down the back nine for golfing while Bountygate was erupting   (politicususa.com) divider line
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2020-06-30 8:36:24 AM  
She's absolutely right.  Even if (as wildly unlikely as that may be) he didn't know until Friday... it's now Tuesday and he has yet to condemn the action, or say anything other than "fake news!" or "I didn't know"

And now, it's looking like he knew about it clear back in early 2019!  He should be impeached and removed from office THIS WEEK!
 
2020-06-30 8:36:55 AM  

ElwoodCuse: we did this exact same thing against the NVA and USSR but the Qanon Libs think this is going to be what brings down Donnie


Qanon Libs?

That's so not a "thing"
 
2020-06-30 8:37:53 AM  

havocmike: Serious question - what should our retaliation be for something like this? Economic embargoes? International criminal charges? Exploding cigars in Putin's humidor?


Double Down on the Magnitsky Act provisions.
 
2020-06-30 8:38:03 AM  

Publikwerks: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Because we had to hide that we did that. Because it's Cassius Belli. We got them guns. They were USSR weapons though, through other nations.


Also I'm pretty sure Russia wasn't cool with that, definitely not to the point where politicians at the highest levels were publicly saying "this is fine, happens all the time"
 
2020-06-30 8:41:19 AM  

whyRpeoplesostupid: Giant Clown Shoe: Woman of color, purple heart, goes for the throat, from a guaranteed blue state so no issue w the Senate seat?

Someone just moved up the VP handicapping board.

RevCarter: I sure hope this is at least partially her making the case for her own suitability for the VP slot. And I hope it's working.

Imagine, just imagine what she would say on the campaign trail, AND how Trump would respond to her


1. He would imitate her walking with her prosthetics.
2. He would say "I prefer pilots who aren't shot down"
3. He'd talk about how much he likes women's legs, but not hers.
4. He'd make some amputee jokes.
5. Make a crack about her not standing for the anthem/not having a leg to stand on etc

Ugh, he's gross and predictable. I hope they pick her, I know she's ready for the vitriol.
 
2020-06-30 8:41:21 AM  

Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?


Doesn't matter. What was his response to learning about these bounties?


If you believe he found out when we did then his response was to shrug and go golf, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no f*cks to give about it at all.

If you believe he knew ages ago then his response was to keep sucking up to Putin, calling Russia our friend, and trying to get him back into the G8, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no farks to give about it at all.

It's a farking disgrace either way.
 
2020-06-30 8:41:52 AM  

shastacola: Notabunny: Would you rather he was working hard to pass extremist legislation? STFU and don't give him any ideas!

This isn't a contest to see how low the bar can actually be lowered. The bar has already been buried far under the ground.


Donnie left in the vault after his inspection.
 
2020-06-30 8:42:25 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Alphax: Notabunny: Would you rather he was working hard to pass extremist legislation? STFU and don't give him any ideas!

He can't do that without Congress.  Nancy Pelosi won't let anything that bad through the House, and the Senate is completely useless now.

Don't be so sure. Pelosi gladly passed the extension of the patriot act. The GOP needs to go, but the Democrats aren't good by default just because they're better than the worst people on earth.


Still proud of your Jill Stein vote?
 
2020-06-30 8:43:16 AM  

Butterflew: 1. He would imitate her walking with her prosthetics.


Imitate her walk?  He can't walk like any human.
 
2020-06-30 8:46:15 AM  

havocmike: Serious question - what should our retaliation be for something like this? Economic embargoes? International criminal charges? Exploding cigars in Putin's humidor?



Sanctions on Russia and a bounty for evidence about money hidden by Putin or his allies in NATO countries.
 
2020-06-30 8:47:14 AM  

Alphax: Butterflew: 1. He would imitate her walking with her prosthetics.

Imitate her walk?  He can't walk like any human.


Remember how he mocked the disabled reporter a few years ago? That kind of pettiness. I never said he would do it well. He can't do anything well. Except maybe his steaks.
 
2020-06-30 8:47:20 AM  

Boo_Guy: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Doesn't matter. What was his response to learning about these bounties?


If you believe he found out when we did then his response was to shrug and go golf, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no f*cks to give about it at all.

If you believe he knew ages ago then his response was to keep sucking up to Putin, calling Russia our friend, and trying to get him back into the G8, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no farks to give about it at all.

It's a farking disgrace either way.


Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run
 
2020-06-30 8:51:20 AM  
Duckworth is maybe the one good hire Rod Blagojevich ever made, probably by accident.
 
2020-06-30 8:52:37 AM  
Eventually we'll find out just what Russia has on these wretched failures. And it'll turn out most of it wasnt worth being abject traitors and human scum over. They're just that weak.
 
2020-06-30 8:52:59 AM  
Like Trump is suddenly going to start giving a fu#k about anything. His whole campaign is based on hate.
 
2020-06-30 8:53:37 AM  

Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?


Do you think this is the logic Trump is using to shrug his shoulders over this?
 
2020-06-30 8:54:06 AM  
"If he was truly never told, then that means that his own staff either believed he's so compromised by Russia or they consider him so counterproductive to the running of the country that they thought it necessary to hide critical information about our national security from him."

Ding ding ding!  We have a winner!
 
2020-06-30 8:58:51 AM  

Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?


Strange, I remember the USSR being an enemy when we armed insurrectionists in our shadow wars. But bow the Right in our country pretend they're great friends.

So which is it? Is Russia and ally or an enemy?
 
2020-06-30 9:00:25 AM  

RasIanI: havocmike: Serious question - what should our retaliation be for something like this? Economic embargoes? International criminal charges? Exploding cigars in Putin's humidor?

Double Down on the Magnitsky Act provisions.


To paraphrase William Tecumseh Sherman (PBUH), Make Russia Howl.
 
2020-06-30 9:00:27 AM  
I don't give a fark about golf.
I don't care what he was doing except that it clearly wasn't his JOB.
 
2020-06-30 9:00:31 AM  

havocmike: Serious question - what should our retaliation be for something like this? Economic embargoes? International criminal charges? Exploding cigars in Putin's humidor?


Reward Putin by bringing him into the G7. The paperwork must be atrocious,.
 
2020-06-30 9:02:10 AM  

Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?


How is your ability to exhale proof of sentience?
 
2020-06-30 9:13:42 AM  

Publikwerks: whyRpeoplesostupid: Giant Clown Shoe: Woman of color, purple heart, goes for the throat, from a guaranteed blue state so no issue w the Senate seat?

Someone just moved up the VP handicapping board.

RevCarter: I sure hope this is at least partially her making the case for her own suitability for the VP slot. And I hope it's working.

Imagine, just imagine what she would say on the campaign trail, AND how Trump would respond to her

IMAGINE the VP Debate. Pence couldn't run away. She can unload....Just fury.


I don't know if Pence can be in the same room as a woman without "Mother."
 
2020-06-30 9:13:53 AM  

Alphax: foo monkey: Farking Clown Shoes: Trump won't care. She's a woman.

"I like my women to have two legs!"

Tammy would immediately kick his ass anyway.


And she can do it from all the way across the room.
 
2020-06-30 9:15:46 AM  

havocmike: Serious question - what should our retaliation be for something like this? Economic embargoes? International criminal charges? Exploding cigars in Putin's humidor?


Maybe start with an acknowledgement that having our troops murdered is wrong. Then an acknowledgement that a response, ANY RESPONSE no matter how small, is warranted in the first place.
Because we haven't yet seen that from the administration. Or certain Fark posters.
 
2020-06-30 9:15:56 AM  

NathanAllen: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Strange, I remember the USSR being an enemy when we armed insurrectionists in our shadow wars. But bow the Right in our country pretend they're great friends.

So which is it? Is Russia and ally or an enemy?


We also enabled a genocide in Jakarta
 
2020-06-30 9:18:12 AM  

Podna: Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run


Maybe.  Maybe not. What matters is the president is not acting in the face of another country putting bounties on our soldiers heads, and worse, is actively working in their interests on things like adding them to the G7.  It does not matter if the bounties are on the heads of soldiers in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Germany, in Japan or in the Good old United States, it's the fact that Trump has not responded to the bounties.
 
2020-06-30 9:20:01 AM  

Podna: NathanAllen: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Strange, I remember the USSR being an enemy when we armed insurrectionists in our shadow wars. But bow the Right in our country pretend they're great friends.

So which is it? Is Russia and ally or an enemy?

We also enabled a genocide in Jakarta


Looks like the talking point is finally out. And they're going with "two wrongs make a right." Good luck with that...
 
2020-06-30 9:24:08 AM  
Russia paying off the Taliban to attack American troops was not done convince us to leave, it was done to convince us to stay.  They knew that we are unable to disengage as long as people could point to attacks on American troops and truthfully say that we would be disengaging and leaving a chaotic situation.
 
2020-06-30 9:24:26 AM  

RyogaM: Podna: Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run

Maybe.  Maybe not. What matters is the president is not acting in the face of another country putting bounties on our soldiers heads, and worse, is actively working in their interests on things like adding them to the G7.  It does not matter if the bounties are on the heads of soldiers in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Germany, in Japan or in the Good old United States, it's the fact that Trump has not responded to the bounties.


There is no maybe, we need to leave.
 
2020-06-30 9:26:31 AM  

Podna: RyogaM: Podna: Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run

Maybe.  Maybe not. What matters is the president is not acting in the face of another country putting bounties on our soldiers heads, and worse, is actively working in their interests on things like adding them to the G7.  It does not matter if the bounties are on the heads of soldiers in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Germany, in Japan or in the Good old United States, it's the fact that Trump has not responded to the bounties.

There is no maybe, we need to leave.


Then the Russians paying off Taliban to attack must be replied to, now and forcefully, because additional violence from the Taliban makes it harder for us to leave, not easier.
 
2020-06-30 9:27:06 AM  

A_Listless_Wanderer: Podna: NathanAllen: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Strange, I remember the USSR being an enemy when we armed insurrectionists in our shadow wars. But bow the Right in our country pretend they're great friends.

So which is it? Is Russia and ally or an enemy?

We also enabled a genocide in Jakarta

Looks like the talking point is finally out. And they're going with "two wrongs make a right." Good luck with that...


Im pretty sure Taliban militants didn't need money to kill Americans, it was just a Christmas bonus to them.
 
2020-06-30 9:28:17 AM  
Every vote for Trump in November is an indictment of Ronald Reagan and his dismantling of the mental heath system, and Roger Ailes (may the Devil torment his soul).
 
2020-06-30 9:28:35 AM  

Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Doesn't matter. What was his response to learning about these bounties?


If you believe he found out when we did then his response was to shrug and go golf, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no f*cks to give about it at all.

If you believe he knew ages ago then his response was to keep sucking up to Putin, calling Russia our friend, and trying to get him back into the G8, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no farks to give about it at all.

It's a farking disgrace either way.

Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run


Again, doesn't matter, his reaction to it does, and it was a complete failure.
 
2020-06-30 9:34:03 AM  

Boo_Guy: Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Doesn't matter. What was his response to learning about these bounties?


If you believe he found out when we did then his response was to shrug and go golf, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no f*cks to give about it at all.

If you believe he knew ages ago then his response was to keep sucking up to Putin, calling Russia our friend, and trying to get him back into the G8, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no farks to give about it at all.

It's a farking disgrace either way.

Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run

Again, doesn't matter, his reaction to it does, and it was a complete failure.


Can't wait for Biden to win, to  manage American imperialism the right way, not this way.

We'll have 50% unemployment and mass evictions in August but damnit were gonna keep burning money in the ME. Can't have money to help people here
 
2020-06-30 9:35:15 AM  

Podna: Im pretty sure Taliban militants didn't need money to kill Americans, it was just a Christmas bonus to them.


You can't know that.  There is no reason to believe the Russians would risk the political fallout of having secret bounties paid for dead Americans if they thought those Americans would still be dead anyway without those payments.  They must have contemplated the payments to begin with because they were not happy with the number of Taliban attacks.
 
2020-06-30 9:35:30 AM  

Podna: A_Listless_Wanderer: Podna: NathanAllen: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Strange, I remember the USSR being an enemy when we armed insurrectionists in our shadow wars. But bow the Right in our country pretend they're great friends.

So which is it? Is Russia and ally or an enemy?

We also enabled a genocide in Jakarta

Looks like the talking point is finally out. And they're going with "two wrongs make a right." Good luck with that...

Im pretty sure Taliban militants didn't need money to kill Americans, it was just a Christmas bonus to them.


Do you even understand the politics of what is meant by "paying a bounty on American soldiers" here, and why it matters? Because based on your one-line comments, I don't think you really understand why this is a big deal.

But here's a hint. War, declared or undeclared, is a state of conflict between two or more nations, and their respective allies. Everyone else stays the hell away.

Russia has no skin in the game between America and her allies, and the Taliban and the militia. They are not a declared participant in this war, and if they are undeclared, it should be by paying money to the Taliban directly or supplying arms and materiel.

Additionally, bounty hunting is not a part of warfare. It's a means of collecting criminals when no other method will suffice. Even asymmetric warfare has certain lines of demarcation and rules of engagement; bounty hunting does not. I know the perception is that Iraqistan is the wild West where there are no rules or laws; but in fact Americans have been playing pretty much by our rules, such as they are.

Finally, bounty hunting is outside the law of the land. It encourages killing via booby trap, ambush, noncombatants, and during times of cease-fire and negotiation. In fact, it encourages breaking cease-fire and truces because the opportunity for money exists, and makes negotiations nearly impossible. You can't negotiate in any kind of faith with opposition leaders when the soldiers are killing your troops for cash payouts.

I hope this helps you understand this is kind of a big deal.
 
2020-06-30 9:41:24 AM  

Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Doesn't matter. What was his response to learning about these bounties?


If you believe he found out when we did then his response was to shrug and go golf, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no f*cks to give about it at all.

If you believe he knew ages ago then his response was to keep sucking up to Putin, calling Russia our friend, and trying to get him back into the G8, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no farks to give about it at all.

It's a farking disgrace either way.

Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run

Again, doesn't matter, his reaction to it does, and it was a complete failure.

Can't wait for Biden to win, to  manage American imperialism the right way, not this way.

We'll have 50% unemployment and mass evictions in August but damnit were gonna keep burning money in the ME. Can't have money to help people here


Whatabout whatabout whatabout.
 
2020-06-30 9:41:41 AM  

Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Doesn't matter. What was his response to learning about these bounties?


If you believe he found out when we did then his response was to shrug and go golf, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no f*cks to give about it at all.

If you believe he knew ages ago then his response was to keep sucking up to Putin, calling Russia our friend, and trying to get him back into the G8, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no farks to give about it at all.

It's a farking disgrace either way.

Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run

Again, doesn't matter, his reaction to it does, and it was a complete failure.

Can't wait for Biden to win, to  manage American imperialism the right way, not this way.

We'll have 50% unemployment and mass evictions in August but damnit were gonna keep burning money in the ME. Can't have money to help people here


You uh, understand that BIden won't be elected till November, so he can't possibly do a thing about unemployment and evictions in AUGUST, right?
 
2020-06-30 9:42:37 AM  

Podna: Can't wait for Biden to win, to  manage American imperialism the right way, not this way.


That's 100% what this non-story is about. Trump has done everything he was supposed to except wage wars. Biden won't be a fascist, but he'll leave the fascist stuff in place and start wars while keeping the chair warm for the next guy who can go full fash

When Mitt Romney said Russia is our enemy, he didn't mean "they'll install a fascist president", he meant "so let's wage some wars"
 
2020-06-30 9:44:28 AM  

Gyrfalcon: You uh, understand that BIden won't be elected till November, so he can't possibly do a thing about unemployment and evictions in AUGUST, right?


Won't be president till January, if elected.
 
2020-06-30 9:44:37 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Doesn't matter. What was his response to learning about these bounties?


If you believe he found out when we did then his response was to shrug and go golf, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no f*cks to give about it at all.

If you believe he knew ages ago then his response was to keep sucking up to Putin, calling Russia our friend, and trying to get him back into the G8, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no farks to give about it at all.

It's a farking disgrace either way.

Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run

Again, doesn't matter, his reaction to it does, and it was a complete failure.

Can't wait for Biden to win, to  manage American imperialism the right way, not this way.

We'll have 50% unemployment and mass evictions in August but damnit were gonna keep burning money in the ME. Can't have money to help people here

You uh, understand that BIden won't be elected till November, so he can't possibly do a thing about unemployment and evictions in AUGUST, right?


Im just stating that yall want a managed imperialism.  So y'all can go back  to brunch.
Im just stating that Americans lives are going to hell, now. Most people are against us doing this.  Im sure even more so with 50% unemployment.
 
2020-06-30 9:50:06 AM  

ElwoodCuse: That's 100% what this non-story is about. Trump has done everything he was supposed to except wage wars.


Yah, no.  Refusing to respond to provocations like putting bounties on the heads of soldiers is a guaranteed way to have more such provocations occur, and the more likely it is that your populace is going to demand a real shooting war.  Responding to such provocations without total war, with sanctions, with expelling diplomats, with making overtures to the UN, in short, doing things short of war to make them understand such provocations are not allowed, is the only way to prevent all out war.
 
2020-06-30 9:56:28 AM  
I don't mind Russia playing the game because I expect it, just like I expect us to do the same when appropriate. The issue is the lack of a faux-protest public response, let alone a real one.
 
2020-06-30 10:02:30 AM  

Podna: Gyrfalcon: Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: Boo_Guy: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Doesn't matter. What was his response to learning about these bounties?


If you believe he found out when we did then his response was to shrug and go golf, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no f*cks to give about it at all.

If you believe he knew ages ago then his response was to keep sucking up to Putin, calling Russia our friend, and trying to get him back into the G8, no denouncement, no calls for sanctions, no farks to give about it at all.

It's a farking disgrace either way.

Maybe we shouldn't be there, its been almost 20 years its over we lost, tuck tail and run

Again, doesn't matter, his reaction to it does, and it was a complete failure.

Can't wait for Biden to win, to  manage American imperialism the right way, not this way.

We'll have 50% unemployment and mass evictions in August but damnit were gonna keep burning money in the ME. Can't have money to help people here

You uh, understand that BIden won't be elected till November, so he can't possibly do a thing about unemployment and evictions in AUGUST, right?

Im just stating that yall want a managed imperialism.  So y'all can go back  to brunch.
Im just stating that Americans lives are going to hell, now. Most people are against us doing this.  Im sure even more so with 50% unemployment.


You realize a government can do multiple things at once, right?  And even if it couldn't, the current administration and Senate aren't doing much of anything about the domestic crisis either.
 
2020-06-30 10:04:31 AM  

Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?


There is no difference; they are exactly the same. Which is why I won't vote for Leonid Brezhnev ever again.
 
2020-06-30 10:12:08 AM  

CrazedAndBemused: RasIanI: havocmike: Serious question - what should our retaliation be for something like this? Economic embargoes? International criminal charges? Exploding cigars in Putin's humidor?

Double Down on the Magnitsky Act provisions.

To paraphrase William Tecumseh Sherman (PBUH), Make Russia Howl.


Sherman was a farking monster. His gleeful participation in the genocide of the Native Americans is the only part of his miserable life that should ever be remembered. Every time you or anyone else mentions him in a positive light, it's just a reminder that Americans still don't give a fark about the only part of our national history even more despicable than slavery was.
 
2020-06-30 10:15:27 AM  

Podna: NathanAllen: Podna: How is Russia offering bounties on troops different than giving the mujahedeen modern weapons to use against the Soviet union?

Strange, I remember the USSR being an enemy when we armed insurrectionists in our shadow wars. But bow the Right in our country pretend they're great friends.

So which is it? Is Russia and ally or an enemy?

We also enabled a genocide in Jakarta


So? We're still conducting genocide right here in our own country. We're still making conscious efforts to wipe entire cultures out of existence, and we're being quite thorough about it.
 
2020-06-30 10:17:14 AM  

RyogaM: Russia paying off the Taliban to attack American troops was not done convince us to leave, it was done to convince us to stay.  They knew that we are unable to disengage as long as people could point to attacks on American troops and truthfully say that we would be disengaging and leaving a chaotic situation.


Duh, Captain Obvious. Everyone knows that, except for the president, his advisors, and 90% of the public.
 
2020-06-30 10:20:47 AM  

RasIanI: Mutiny Over the Bounty.....gate (obligatory, apparently)


Didn't Trump say he identified with Bligh?
 
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