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(Canton Repository)   Ohio is finally eliminating its front license plate rule. Article also contains subby's banned plate   (cantonrep.com) divider line
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2020-06-30 8:13:45 AM  
Stark County Sheriff George Maier said ... "Removing the front plate reduces our ability to identify a suspect by 50%."

Oh, bullshiat. Unless the vehicle description counts for 0%
 
2020-06-30 8:19:35 AM  
Stupid. How are you supposed to tell if it's your Uber or Lyft showing up? You have to run around to the back of the car and check. Very annoying. Had to do that in Kansas when I visited.
 
2020-06-30 8:22:33 AM  
The Canton Suppository made Fark. Huh.
 
2020-06-30 8:27:07 AM  
Did subby just out himself as an axe murderer?
 
2020-06-30 8:28:39 AM  
Why do this? Perhaps an exemption for vehicles with no space up front. State trying to charge the same fee for only one plate?
 
2020-06-30 8:29:55 AM  
On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?
 
2020-06-30 8:31:36 AM  

Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?


It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.
 
2020-06-30 8:31:46 AM  

Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?


State makes more money.

\ What, did you think they'd cut the plate fee?
\\ HA HA HA No.
 
2020-06-30 8:35:06 AM  
The majority of US states require a front license plate.
 
2020-06-30 8:35:58 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

State makes more money.

\ What, did you think they'd cut the plate fee?
\\ HA HA HA No.


Oh yeah, they'll pull in dozens of dollars.

I mean seriously, the things are made with prison labor and last forever. How much could this possibly save?

Also, if it did save a lot, as you suggest, why pretend it's sinister? Wouldn't that be a good thing?
 
2020-06-30 8:38:48 AM  
Lockner is among the Ohioans who welcome the change. Requiring car owners to display front plates "just seems like an obnoxious reason to pull people over, like an excuse to profile," he said, adding that he wasn't aware drivers even needed one for the front.

When you register your vehicle and you get your plates, don't they give you two right then and there? That's how it always worked in the two-plate states I've lived in.  Did this guy think one was a spare? Optional?  Unless OH has some sort of weird system where you have to request the correct number of plates that puts the onus on the driver to make sure they ask for two plates, I question whether this guy should be operating a two-ton death machine. I still think front plates are useful, mostly because it makes it that much more likely for witnesses/victims/parking lot cameras to identify a vehicle involved in a minor car crash or fender bender that decides to just keep going instead of stopping.
 
2020-06-30 8:38:54 AM  

Unobtanium: Stark County Sheriff George Maier said ... "Removing the front plate reduces our ability to identify a suspect by 50%."

Oh, bullshiat. Unless the vehicle description counts for 0%


They don't look, they have automatic plate readers in every car constantly scanning.
 
2020-06-30 8:43:57 AM  
canton made fark news!  waahoooooo

/lives in akron
 
2020-06-30 8:44:34 AM  

FleshFlapps: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.


Odd how I have Michigan plates, drive through Ohio (including those tiny communities where the speed limit suddenly drops for like 100 yards) dozens of times a year for the past 14 years, and have never been pulled over.

I also have friends who are vulnerable road users. A rear facing camera on a motorcycle/helmet has a chance of catching a front plate. A front-facing camera has much less chance of catching a rear plate when you've already been flung from your bike into a ditch.

Same way with, just like, being a pedestrian and seeing someone about to hit you. You're not going to spring up after getting run over and log the plate.
 
2020-06-30 8:44:58 AM  
what's so difficult about having a front plate?  sounds like another one of those 'but muh freedumbs' complaining about the state having control over you and your vehicle
 
2020-06-30 8:45:34 AM  

FleshFlapps: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.


No purpose besides being able to identify a car from its front.
 
2020-06-30 8:46:32 AM  

FleshFlapps: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.


just like strict gun laws are just there to catch people who come from other states that allow them to carry...
 
2020-06-30 8:47:05 AM  
We haven't had front plates here for years and the world has not ended.
 
2020-06-30 8:49:05 AM  

quo vadimus: Odd how I have Michigan plates, drive through Ohio (including those tiny communities where the speed limit suddenly drops for like 100 yards) dozens of times a year for the past 14 years, and have never been pulled over.


You sound white.
 
2020-06-30 8:49:49 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: what's so difficult about having a front plate?  sounds like another one of those 'but muh freedumbs' complaining about the state having control over you and your vehicle


Let's go to the map:

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If the key's too small to read on mobile, it's red = both, blue = rear only, pink = both, with some exemptions
 
2020-06-30 8:49:54 AM  

New Rising Sun: I still think front plates are useful, mostly because it makes it that much more likely for witnesses/victims/parking lot cameras to identify a vehicle involved in a minor car crash or fender bender that decides to just keep going instead of stopping.


That's my view. It may make it easier for the police to ID a vehicle, but it does for everyone else too.

/driving is a privilege, not a right
//don't be an asshole on the roads
 
2020-06-30 8:53:07 AM  

quo vadimus: FleshFlapps: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.

Odd how I have Michigan plates, drive through Ohio (including those tiny communities where the speed limit suddenly drops for like 100 yards) dozens of times a year for the past 14 years, and have never been pulled over.

I also have friends who are vulnerable road users. A rear facing camera on a motorcycle/helmet has a chance of catching a front plate. A front-facing camera has much less chance of catching a rear plate when you've already been flung from your bike into a ditch.

Same way with, just like, being a pedestrian and seeing someone about to hit you. You're not going to spring up after getting run over and log the plate.


You do you. I live in the nky area and have been pulled over almost a dozen times in the last 2 years with zero violations or tickets just because i didn't have a front plate and they were too stupid to assume it's because I'm from Kentucky.

It got so bad I had to leave for work 45 minutes earlier because it was a crap shoot if they were going to pull me over or not
 
2020-06-30 8:53:23 AM  

FleshFlapps: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.


Or they do it for instate drivers who either have it stolen or it falls off.  Mine was the latter and the times I got pulled over (red convertible, age 20's), the first word out of the cop's mouth was "I see you don't have a front license plate..."
 
2020-06-30 8:56:42 AM  
This seems like a step backwards.
 
2020-06-30 8:57:40 AM  

quo vadimus: FleshFlapps: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.

Odd how I have Michigan plates, drive through Ohio (including those tiny communities where the speed limit suddenly drops for like 100 yards) dozens of times a year for the past 14 years, and have never been pulled over.

I also have friends who are vulnerable road users. A rear facing camera on a motorcycle/helmet has a chance of catching a front plate. A front-facing camera has much less chance of catching a rear plate when you've already been flung from your bike into a ditch.

Same way with, just like, being a pedestrian and seeing someone about to hit you. You're not going to spring up after getting run over and log the plate.


They need to be pulling more of you over on the Turnpike.  It's 50mph in construction zones, assholes.  Slow down!  Annoying that I have to keep passing the same cars over and over because they keep chugging along at 75 mph no matter the speed limit or conditions, while I go around 80 normally and drop to 60 in construction.
 
2020-06-30 8:58:14 AM  
Pennsylvania is rear only. I like that.
 
2020-06-30 8:58:44 AM  
This one is still good, right?
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2020-06-30 8:59:05 AM  
Reasons for front license plates:
In theory it is possible for a person, or more likely, an automatic detection system, to find a wanted vehicle. If these systems were nearly as widely deployed or as effective as some might want to believe I'd have to wonder why there are messages on the side of the road with Amber alerts to look out for cars with specific license plates.

Reasons against front license plates:
Cost
Every vehicle has to be issued two instead of one. Assuming the materials and (prison) labor are minimal, say $.50 / individual plate, the cost is in the shipping and storage (it is sheet metal, not paper or plastic). Trucking and storage for 17 million (approximate number of new vehicles sold per year in the US, x2- yes I know not every state requires two plates) plates adds up fast.
 
2020-06-30 9:00:13 AM  
While we're at it, let's get rid of the ubiquitous ALPRs too.
 
2020-06-30 9:00:33 AM  

Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?


Increased drag resulting in decreased fuel economy.

European cars are designed for European plates, which are different shapes.
 
2020-06-30 9:01:53 AM  

New Rising Sun: Lockner is among the Ohioans who welcome the change. Requiring car owners to display front plates "just seems like an obnoxious reason to pull people over, like an excuse to profile," he said, adding that he wasn't aware drivers even needed one for the front.

When you register your vehicle and you get your plates, don't they give you two right then and there? That's how it always worked in the two-plate states I've lived in.  Did this guy think one was a spare? Optional?  Unless OH has some sort of weird system where you have to request the correct number of plates that puts the onus on the driver to make sure they ask for two plates, I question whether this guy should be operating a two-ton death machine. I still think front plates are useful, mostly because it makes it that much more likely for witnesses/victims/parking lot cameras to identify a vehicle involved in a minor car crash or fender bender that decides to just keep going instead of stopping.


Last three cars I bought, the dealer said "your front plate is in the trunk".
 
2020-06-30 9:05:57 AM  
Several years ago I got pulled over by a County Mountie in northwestern Ohio, because I didn't have a front plate.

I live in North Carolina, we don't have front plates.

He seemed shocked to find that out.
 
2020-06-30 9:07:14 AM  
CSB: I once witnessed a pretty severe hit-and-run, where the driver of a Jeep panicked, evaded, and took off. Once everyone stopped and looked around, we discovered the Jeep owner's front plate had fallen off in the collision. That was the only thing that allowed his arrest. I know, that in itself isn't a valid reason for having front plates. I'm in favor of them nonetheless.

/turned out his dad was my boss.
 
2020-06-30 9:08:09 AM  

New Rising Sun: Dead for Tax Reasons: what's so difficult about having a front plate?  sounds like another one of those 'but muh freedumbs' complaining about the state having control over you and your vehicle

Let's go to the map:

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If the key's too small to read on mobile, it's red = both, blue = rear only, pink = both, with some exemptions


yup, freedumbs
 
2020-06-30 9:11:19 AM  
At least where I lived a lot of people would just tell the dealer that they were going to register the car in Pennsylvania so that they didn't screw a plate holder into the bumper, in the belief that if you don't have a front plate holder you don't have to mount a front plate (no idea if that's actually the case).  I think technically the dealer is supposed to check against your address but I don't imagine they really care for the most part.
 
2020-06-30 9:14:37 AM  
I've been driving for 13 years in Ohio, never once had a front license plate.  Only been pulled over once for it (and they lied and said I was speeding and then dropped the speeding ticket but still got charged for the license plate).
 
2020-06-30 9:19:53 AM  

MindStalker: FleshFlapps: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.

No purpose besides being able to identify a car from its front.


So basically the exact same purpose as the rear plate. Why don't we get rid of both of them?
 
2020-06-30 9:26:48 AM  

Pincy: MindStalker: FleshFlapps: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.

No purpose besides being able to identify a car from its front.

So basically the exact same purpose as the rear plate. Why don't we get rid of both of them?

If you're simply traveling and not engaging in commerce, you're allowed to use this one neat trick to repel cops. /s
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2020-06-30 9:31:25 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: New Rising Sun: Dead for Tax Reasons: what's so difficult about having a front plate?  sounds like another one of those 'but muh freedumbs' complaining about the state having control over you and your vehicle

Let's go to the map:

[Fark user image 702x426]

If the key's too small to read on mobile, it's red = both, blue = rear only, pink = both, with some exemptions

yup, freedumbs


Not really.

I've lived in PA my whole life.  We never had rear tags.  Ever.  No one ever said "what about my freeda!" or don't tread on my grill or some shiat.

I've worked in DE my entire adult life, and DE has rear tags only as well.  No one here even gives it a second thought.  DE also has some weird cult going on with the low numbered black & white license plates.  I never understood the allure (I know the mechanics of it but never gave a shiat.  It's a freaking license plate).

PA did away with the stickers on the license plates a few years ago.  Mainly for cost.  It costs a lot of money to mail those stickers and registration cards out to people every year.  The state raised fees at the same time, so it was a double win for them.

Now you renew it online, and print out a PDF of the registration.  Safety inspection is every year and you take it to your local (state regulated, PA vehicle inspection is a real PITA) garage for that.

I have a front plate on my truck.  It's a DE surf fishing permit so I can drive my pickem up truck on the beach and fish.  POORLY, I might add.  I'm a terrible angler.

The damn surf tag cost more than my reg every year.....
 
2020-06-30 9:31:28 AM  
That's great but are they going to also stop teaching kids to drive slow in the left lane? Because Ohio is the worst.

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2020-06-30 9:32:00 AM  

kdawg7736: Pennsylvania is rear only. I like that.


That's what she said.
 
2020-06-30 9:38:59 AM  

bighairyguy: This one is still good, right?
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Werewolves in Cleveland?
 
2020-06-30 9:44:40 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: what's so difficult about having a front plate?  sounds like another one of those 'but muh freedumbs' complaining about the state having control over you and your vehicle


If I understand this correctly, then the reason it is offensive, is that people don't put the second plate on, and are upset they get penalized for violating the law.

That said, I've heard complaints here in Ontario about front plates.  Usually from people whose cars are built in rear-plate-only locales.  They say it makes their toy look ugly.
 
2020-06-30 9:52:08 AM  

NearCanuck: Dead for Tax Reasons: what's so difficult about having a front plate?  sounds like another one of those 'but muh freedumbs' complaining about the state having control over you and your vehicle

If I understand this correctly, then the reason it is offensive, is that people don't put the second plate on, and are upset they get penalized for violating the law.

That said, I've heard complaints here in Ontario about front plates.  Usually from people whose cars are built in rear-plate-only locales.  They say it makes their toy look ugly.


And also devalues their toy, if modification needs to be done to install plate.
 
2020-06-30 9:57:31 AM  
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2020-06-30 9:58:10 AM  
That's a good thing. Can't see them at night anyway, and it's just a way for the government to get ya
 
2020-06-30 10:00:46 AM  
It's crap. Everyone should be required to have a front plate just for identification purposes. Forget the cops, I want to be able to identify the crappy drivers. I've seen so many hot and run videos where people get away simply because they hav a commonly used car with no front plate.
 
2020-06-30 10:07:30 AM  

LiberalConservative: Why do this? Perhaps an exemption for vehicles with no space up front. State trying to charge the same fee for only one plate?


The second. it's probably the net effect of raising the state fees by a dollar or two. also I think the main reason police are opposed to this is because they've been trained for so long to use the front plate as the target for their speed enforcement revenue collection equipment
 
2020-06-30 10:25:41 AM  
You could never tell Nevada is a both state (with exemptions).  I see cars every day with no plate or a novelty plate in front.  I think the rule is basically if a manufacturer makes a front plate bracket or the bumper is shaped to have a plate, you are supposed to have one.  Best I recall it's classified as the type violation that they aren't supposed to use that as a justification to pull you over, but you can be cited if pulled over for another reason.  I've never heard of anyone getting cited in my nearly 20 years here though.
 
2020-06-30 10:34:57 AM  

FleshFlapps: Nuclear Monk: On the flip side...what exactly is the argument for getting rid of the front plate? (besides "my car is purdy")?

It serves no actual purpose besides just being there. It's a way to pull over out of state drivers and find something to ticket or arrest them for.


huh? You don't need to have a front plate if your car is registered out of state. That is literally unconstitutional, and there is a federal statute which requires states to recognize cars registered in other states. There are many many states which issue two plates and there's no public service announcement to never visit California or NY if your car is from Kansas.

I bet there are a lot more "exotic" cars and "collectable" cars in more urban states and yet those guys manage to find a spot for the front plate.
 
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