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(Prospect Magazine (UK))   Nazis on the farking Moon. Not movie Nazis, but real Nazis. "Iron Sky" surrenders   (prospectmagazine.co.uk) divider line
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2020-06-29 9:10:51 PM  
Completely inappropriate Futurama reference
 
2020-06-29 9:28:43 PM  
Damn, he's not even close to subtle with that strawman argument.

What were the English thinking? Both our countries just went totally DURRRRR in the last decade of politics.
 
2020-06-30 2:52:50 AM  
Interesting.

but I liked this article better.

I think Medusa gets a bad rap too. I think they should do for her what they did for the Witch of the West in Wicked.

Medusa's story comes from very deep in Greek mythography: in the Theogony, by the 8th-century BC poet Hesiod, she is described as being the child of Phorcys and Ceto, chthonic sea deities. In various versions of her story she has sisters, among whom are the Graiae, a trio of women who share a single eye between them. It is in the Roman poet Ovid's Metamorphoses that her story is most deeply elaborated. She was lovely, according to the poem-until she was raped in Athena's temple by Poseidon. Athena then punished her for this violation, by turning her into the monstrous, stony-glanced creature that we know. Yes: punished for being raped.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ma​g​azine/medusa-was-punished-for-being-ra​ped-so-why-do-we-still-depict-her-as-a​-monster
 
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2020-06-30 6:41:51 AM  
Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun
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2020-06-30 7:52:55 AM  
It was a bit of wake up for me when I realized how anglocentric and eurocentric (i.e. white) all of our astronomy is. We've named the entire universe after Greek and Roman myth.

There are, of course, Arab, Indian, African and Asian constellations that have nothing to do with ours. All those stars and galaxies have at least five other names, and they aren't all white gods and goddesses.
 
2020-06-30 8:08:10 AM  
Meh.  Just change the paperwork so they are commemorating Mark Lenard and John Stark.  Problem solved.
 
2020-06-30 8:21:12 AM  
I think if you want to be a Nazi, you get to stand trial as one, and then, you can be dealt with accordingly.
Same goes for flying any flag we defeated in war.
You want to pick up the standard of a surrendered enemy, the rules of engagement are, you die.
Those are the farking rules.
I did not make them up.

You go to war, people die.
If one side surrenders, then that side may not fly their flag.
If they do, then they have violated the terms of surrender and they die.

Why is that hard to understand?
Just pick them off as they pick up the flag and the lesson will be learned.
War is over, dead flag-bearer out front should have told you.
 
2020-06-30 8:22:25 AM  
Tear down the moon!

This is the tide of change!
 
2020-06-30 8:23:20 AM  
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2020-06-30 8:23:46 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: It was a bit of wake up for me when I realized how anglocentric and eurocentric (i.e. white) all of our astronomy is. We've named the entire universe after Greek and Roman myth.

There are, of course, Arab, Indian, African and Asian constellations that have nothing to do with ours. All those stars and galaxies have at least five other names, and they aren't all white gods and goddesses.


Yeah, because I never had to learn names like Dubhe, Merak, Alpheratz, RIgel, Alnitak, Alnilam, Mintaka, Kochab, and Betelgeuse.

Well, I didn't have to learn them, but I wanted to call them by their proper names.  Most visible stars names are Arabic.

We are *FAR* from naming the Universe after Greek and Roman myth.  Where we have done so in modern times, it's usually a moon around another planet, and that's because preference is for names related to the parent body.  So for example, Phobos ("fear") and Deimos ("dread") are moons of Mars, named after the sons of the God of War.
 
2020-06-30 8:28:31 AM  
Wait till they find out that Nazis helped us get to the moon.

/new rule: before you rename something you have to achieve something name-worthy.
 
2020-06-30 8:33:35 AM  

vudukungfu: Why is that hard to understand?
Just pick them off as they pick up the flag and the lesson will be learned.


It's hard to understand because extrajudicial execution of people is a very Nazi-like thing to do.

Congratulations on becoming that which you claim to hate.
 
2020-06-30 8:39:11 AM  

dittybopper: vudukungfu: Why is that hard to understand?
Just pick them off as they pick up the flag and the lesson will be learned.

It's hard to understand because extrajudicial execution of people is a very Nazi-like thing to do.

Congratulations on becoming that which you claim to hate.


If you hear commie dog whistle you are commie. Wake upsheeple
 
2020-06-30 8:45:05 AM  
All American space flight, probably Russian too but ai don't know, was founded by Nazis.   Operation Paperclip. Look it up!
 
2020-06-30 8:46:19 AM  
I can't pay no doctor bill but Nazis on the moon.Ten years from now I'll be paying still while Nazis on the moon.
 
2020-06-30 8:53:14 AM  

vudukungfu: I think if you want to be a Nazi, you get to stand trial as one, and then, you can be dealt with accordingly.
Same goes for flying any flag we defeated in war.
You want to pick up the standard of a surrendered enemy, the rules of engagement are, you die.
Those are the farking rules.
I did not make them up.

You go to war, people die.
If one side surrenders, then that side may not fly their flag.
If they do, then they have violated the terms of surrender and they die.

Why is that hard to understand?
Just pick them off as they pick up the flag and the lesson will be learned.
War is over, dead flag-bearer out front should have told you.


Boy, all those Japanese are going to be surprised.
 
2020-06-30 9:11:09 AM  

dittybopper: We are *FAR* from naming the Universe after Greek and Roman myth. Where we have done so in modern times, it's usually a moon around another planet, and that's because preference is for names related to the parent body. So for example, Phobos ("fear") and Deimos ("dread") are moons of Mars, named after the sons of the God of War.


The Arabs call Mars "Al-Mirrich" (and the moons something else entirely, I'm sure)
 
2020-06-30 9:14:05 AM  
Well what about Wernher von Braun? He was a Nazi Scientist responsible for the rockets that attacked Britain.

Oh I see, he's an American-German.

How convenient that some have their histories nerfed so they don't attract attention that at the end of the war the Allies and Russians did a mad grab of any and all German Engineers and Scientists they could.
Plus the fact that no matter how much you hate their past, without them lots of what we have now wouldn't exist.

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2020-06-30 9:25:12 AM  

way south: Wait till they find out that Nazis helped us get to the moon.

/new rule: before you rename something you have to achieve something name-worthy.


The Germans figured out the whole ballistic math thing used for missiles way before they became Nazis.

The projectiles they bombarded Paris with during WW1, was the first man made objects in space, and led to the creation of the math needed for the missiles.


It also confused the French a lot, when random things started exploding, since they were not aware of the massive cannon. First they thought it was Zeppeliners, but that was ruled out since it occured on clear days as well, then they assumed sabotage. That confused them as much, because as good as the tech and math were, the Germans hit Paris, but the often things that seemed completely pointless.
 
2020-06-30 9:25:55 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: The Arabs call Mars "Al-Mirrich" (and the moons something else entirely, I'm sure)


The Arabs called the moon Al-Moon.
 
2020-06-30 9:30:48 AM  

leeksfromchichis: All American space flight, probably Russian too but ai don't know, was founded by Nazis.   Operation Paperclip. Look it up!



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Alright, so its like this: Liquid fueled Rocket technology was originally founded by Robert Goddard, an American.  Unfortunately the US didn't have any money for scientific advancement at the time this came about.
The Germans did, and in their rapid military expansion they managed to make alot of breakthroughs in liquid fueled rocketry (and jet turbines, metallurgy, nuclear energy, etc and so on...).
Germany was an engineering center of the world leading up to the second world war.  A number of efforts were made to recruit or capture German scientists long before the war ended (probably before it even started, if we count guys like Einstein).

The Russians did the same and, yes, their technology is largely (almost entirely?) founded on the work of German scientists.
Problem there is that if communists hate one thing more than capitalists, its fascists. So their German scientists... they didn't fair so well, what with the gulags and purges and whatnot.

Some speculation would have it this is the reason why Germans were so eager to help the US.  We knew full well who these guys were but desperately needed the advancements. So much so that we not only looked the other way on their history, we put them in charge of these programs and paid them handsomely for the work. Work they were willing to do to thwart the communists and make good on their own legacies.
The work went so well that we won the space race and, eventually, the cold war.

Soon after that we ended up working with the Russians on the space station.  Which means in the end there is their weird situation where Capitalists, Communists, fascists and Zionists were all shaking hands in orbit, united in the conquest of space.

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/Now someone wants to rename everything on the moon before they've even gone back to set foot on it.
/if you can't do what the old guys did then you don't deserve their legacy.
 
2020-06-30 10:10:33 AM  

LewDux: dittybopper: vudukungfu: Why is that hard to understand?
Just pick them off as they pick up the flag and the lesson will be learned.

It's hard to understand because extrajudicial execution of people is a very Nazi-like thing to do.

Congratulations on becoming that which you claim to hate.

If you hear commie dog whistle you are commie. Wake upsheeple


You really want me to wake them up?  Because I will, just to spite you.

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I'm a few hundred kilometers from the nearest shore and at least 100 meters in elevation.  I'm pretty sure I'll be fine.
 
2020-06-30 10:10:54 AM  
You can rename anything on the moon you want, but you have to do it there.  Deal?
 
2020-06-30 10:12:00 AM  

mjbok: You can rename anything on the moon you want, but you have to do it there.  Deal?


Great.  Now we'll get craters named Mao, Deng, and Xi.
 
2020-06-30 10:21:09 AM  

dittybopper: LewDux: dittybopper: vudukungfu: Why is that hard to understand?
Just pick them off as they pick up the flag and the lesson will be learned.

It's hard to understand because extrajudicial execution of people is a very Nazi-like thing to do.

Congratulations on becoming that which you claim to hate.

If you hear commie dog whistle you are commie. Wake upsheeple

You really want me to wake them up?  Because I will, just to spite you.

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I'm a few hundred kilometers from the nearest shore and at least 100 meters in elevation.  I'm pretty sure I'll be fine.


The Russians will fly under the radar down lake Champlain with bombers when they do come. They will EMP the radar station on the hill in St Albans on the way in and carpet bomb any programmed target the computer says to. paper mill in Ticonderoga?
That dam?
That substation?
The safety on Timmy's rifle.
Your artificial leg.

Wait. I may be  thinking of Zinc Oxide there.
 
2020-06-30 1:16:55 PM  
All we have to do is give up the ego yall.
Stop the naming stuff after myself/my heroes/first to discover.

Good to have calculus. Does not matter who figured it out at all. DOES NOT!


So you know we should hold to this cultural norm:
All the knowledge is good to keep, but the not the people who discover it, time and forgetfulness should be allowed to take their names from us. And so we will only re3member what is worth remembering of them, the knowledge they fou8dn for us, but not their names.
 
2020-06-30 7:19:00 PM  
It is tainted now.  We should nuke it until the surface is completely molten.  If possible, set up solar collectors and make the surface molten.  Once anything Nazi touches it, even Nazi thoughts or names, it is tainted until molten rocks cleanse the land.  We should do the same with Germany.  They are tainted, and shouldn't even exist as a country.  If they had any honor, the Germans would self immolate and set off nukes in their country to relieve them of their sins.
 
2020-06-30 7:59:15 PM  

PvtStash: All we have to do is give up the ego yall.
Stop the naming stuff after myself/my heroes/first to discover.

Good to have calculus. Does not matter who figured it out at all. DOES NOT!


So you know we should hold to this cultural norm:
All the knowledge is good to keep, but the not the people who discover it, time and forgetfulness should be allowed to take their names from us. And so we will only re3member what is worth remembering of them, the knowledge they fou8dn for us, but not their names.


What a pile of shiat.
Spoken like an anarchist - I don't know if you are one or not.

We need to recognize people, and groups of people who make real contributions to society.
That has always been part of the advance of civilization,

Jonas Salk his recognized for a reason
as is Marie Curie
as is Albert Einstein.
as is Abraham Lincoln
as is Mary McLeod Bethune, FGrace Hopper, etc. etc. etc.

If you don't know what these people did, it is your ignorance of history, not their contributions, that needs to be left behind.
The idea of subsuming the individual and making all knowledge anonymous has its roots in failed communist ideology, where individuals are merely a temporary means of achieving state goals.  That is all.
We don't need to be exclusively hero worshipers, we do need to celebrate and reward accomplishments.
 
2020-06-30 8:42:50 PM  
I mean, we could just rename them.  I mean, no one lives there, so no one's gonna get confused or be angry about their history being erased.
 
2020-06-30 8:44:04 PM  

Animatronik: PvtStash: All we have to do is give up the ego yall.
Stop the naming stuff after myself/my heroes/first to discover.

Good to have calculus. Does not matter who figured it out at all. DOES NOT!


So you know we should hold to this cultural norm:
All the knowledge is good to keep, but the not the people who discover it, time and forgetfulness should be allowed to take their names from us. And so we will only re3member what is worth remembering of them, the knowledge they fou8dn for us, but not their names.

What a pile of shiat.
Spoken like an anarchist - I don't know if you are one or not.

We need to recognize people, and groups of people who make real contributions to society.
That has always been part of the advance of civilization,

Jonas Salk his recognized for a reason
as is Marie Curie
as is Albert Einstein.
as is Abraham Lincoln
as is Mary McLeod Bethune, FGrace Hopper, etc. etc. etc.

If you don't know what these people did, it is your ignorance of history, not their contributions, that needs to be left behind.
The idea of subsuming the individual and making all knowledge anonymous has its roots in failed communist ideology, where individuals are merely a temporary means of achieving state goals.  That is all.
We don't need to be exclusively hero worshipers, we do need to celebrate and reward accomplishments.


OH MY FARKING GOD NO ONE CARES
 
2020-06-30 8:47:52 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: Well what about Wernher von Braun? He was a Nazi Scientist responsible for the rockets that attacked Britain.

Oh I see, he's an American-German.

How convenient that some have their histories nerfed so they don't attract attention that at the end of the war the Allies and Russians did a mad grab of any and all German Engineers and Scientists they could.
Plus the fact that no matter how much you hate their past, without them lots of what we have now wouldn't exist.

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Tom Lehrer has a great song about him.


Gather 'round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun
A man whose allegiance
Is ruled by expedience
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown
"Nazi, Schmazi!" says Wernher von Braun

Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department!" says Wernher von Braun

Some have harsh words for this man of renown
But some think our attitude
Should be one of gratitude
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun

You too may be a big hero
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero
"In German, und Englisch, I know how to count down
Und I'm learning Chinese!" says Wernher von Braun
 
2020-07-01 6:05:36 AM  
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2020-07-01 1:12:03 PM  

Animatronik: PvtStash: All we have to do is give up the ego yall.
Stop the naming stuff after myself/my heroes/first to discover.

Good to have calculus. Does not matter who figured it out at all. DOES NOT!


So you know we should hold to this cultural norm:
All the knowledge is good to keep, but the not the people who discover it, time and forgetfulness should be allowed to take their names from us. And so we will only re3member what is worth remembering of them, the knowledge they fou8dn for us, but not their names.

What a pile of shiat.
Spoken like an anarchist - I don't know if you are one or not.

We need to recognize people, and groups of people who make real contributions to society.
That has always been part of the advance of civilization,

Jonas Salk his recognized for a reason
as is Marie Curie
as is Albert Einstein.
as is Abraham Lincoln
as is Mary McLeod Bethune, FGrace Hopper, etc. etc. etc.

If you don't know what these people did, it is your ignorance of history, not their contributions, that needs to be left behind.
The idea of subsuming the individual and making all knowledge anonymous has its roots in failed communist ideology, where individuals are merely a temporary means of achieving state goals.  That is all.
We don't need to be exclusively hero worshipers, we do need to celebrate and reward accomplishments.


No anarchy is not a real thing we have, just the transitional state between power changes/reorgs.

I  would not claim state > people, people just fuel for the state.
no that would not be my pov.

Mine would be this:
If the only reason someone does a thing if for their own ego, for the recognition or gratitude or personal gains they assume to get for it.
Then i see nothing worthy of any praise in them.
Making a statue to that person is only honest if it is a statue that says :
I did it for me, thanks for the monye/fame, i'd not have bothered otherwise.


So i'd say, my stance is not to make an individual be anonymous so as to be better fuel of the state.
I say this way , because i truly believe it makes us better people, if we create a social norm in which people do not presume personal immediate gains as the motivation for why to try harder.
I feel as long as the why has too much ego, too much money/status/REMEMBER ME, chit attached to it, then it is all tainted and separating those that would do ti for the betterment of the future, from those only motivated by personal greed.

If the culture we hold to, exults the individual too much, that too is a problem.
I seek a balancing point between  the individual's all consuming ego and the all consuming power of State.

There in lies a cultural norm of being humbler, less ego driven motivations and more seeing, not The State, but more about Humanity's future.

this is what i am trying to describe.
Too much lean one way or the other is neither praiseworthy nor trustworthy.
I see a place where the motivation is related to being part of something bigger, more than the self. But that something bigger is way way bigger than The State can describe for us.Maybe see it like this:i puzzle out, not based on what we can ideally be or what we like to wish we all were when no one is watching us.My puzzle is to see what we are are our worst and what we are on the middle of the bell and as the phrase goes,Hope for the best but PLAN for the worst.Like assume all forms of govt., 100% of time every time all the time eventually break down too and eventually wind up having to break out the pitchforks and torches.So instead of making all the rules/laws and cultural norms based on assuming, this is it forever and always, and it can't break down ever again.instead assume it will eventuality no matter what, and try to set up the rules/norms so that when it reaches that point, the situation will be as good as it could be to shorten the transition time and lessen the harm and suffering that will go on during such times.maybe to say, not an anarchist, but someone that assumes times of anarchy/rebellion will arise, and so be planned up for that by assumi9ong it rather than what seems the working plan, we got it like this from now till eternity no changes we're perfect now, it's all done, we've reach the final state of social/societal evolution, dip it in the amber, it's over.
 
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