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2020-06-29 7:51:42 PM  
Oh,by the way, 2020 is the year of the rat.
 
2020-06-29 7:53:26 PM  
Because kids never give each other viruses at school and then carry them home to their families.

This advice only makes sense if the motive is to accelerate the spread.
 
2020-06-29 7:59:12 PM  
I really don't understand this.
 
2020-06-29 8:31:12 PM  
I mean, if you pretend like it's not communicable, it sounds like a great idea.
 
2020-06-29 8:40:05 PM  
Kids can adapt. A weird year of school isn't going to destroy a generation.
 
2020-06-29 8:48:21 PM  
"Wherever and whenever they can do so safely."
We're not pretending we're gonna send the kids back to normal. Just acknowledging that in-person education is important, especially for the younger kids and we can't simply hope to get by with online education. There may not be a way to minimize the risks sufficiently, but we have to try, because this will have lasting effects.
 
2020-06-29 9:28:02 PM  
I think some hybrid of in-person and on-line classes needs to happen.  Teachers also need more training on how to handle classes on-line.  We will also need more teachers to cover smaller classes and more individual attention to on-line students.  Some of this can be handled with teacher aids, but it will require more of the teacher's time.  We're going to have to face the fact that 22 elementary students or 35+ secondary students in a class is not going to be manageable anymore.

We also will need to figure out a way to put more learning materials in the student's hands, hard to teach art if the student can't afford art supplies.  This is going to have to include things like the postage to mail printouts, tests, quizs, etc, also going to require technology for all students for the on-line portion, including internet access.  This is going to be one of the bigger hurdles.  I live in a rural Texas town and we have a lot of families that do not have easy access, they have a smart phone at best with a pay as you go plan, so even if we give them a chromebook or iPad, they don't have the data plan to handle using it as a hot spot.  And what if there are three or more students in the family?

I think this coming school year is going to pose a lot of challenges, but we will get by.  We did ok with this last school year but we're going to have to up our game quite a bit if this goes on much longer.
 
2020-06-29 10:38:04 PM  
If I have to do another semester of home school while trying to work from home, I'm gonna crack. But I'm never going to force schools to reopen. If my area still looks poor, we'll stay at home.
 
2020-06-29 11:07:16 PM  

pdxbarista: "Wherever and whenever they can do so safely."
We're not pretending we're gonna send the kids back to normal. Just acknowledging that in-person education is important, especially for the younger kids and we can't simply hope to get by with online education. There may not be a way to minimize the risks sufficiently, but we have to try, because this will have lasting effects.


Yeah, that was the key part for me.

I understand the argument they're making...just glad I don't have kids to send into the virus bath.  Won't judge parents whichever way they decide.
 
2020-06-29 11:08:24 PM  
Can we finally admit that not everyone should have kids?
 
2020-06-29 11:08:39 PM  

yohohogreengiant: Because kids never give each other viruses at school and then carry them home to their families.

This advice only makes sense if the motive is to accelerate the spread.


My neighbor's kids spend probably 4-5 hours a day doing nothing but jumping on their trampoline and running around their yard screaming at the top of their lungs.

I can't wait for them to go back to school.  They did have some friends over the other day so I'm crossing my fingers.

/this probably makes me a bad person
//meh
///rona lockdown
 
2020-06-29 11:08:49 PM  
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2020-06-29 11:09:47 PM  
1. Kids need to go back to school for a thousand reasons (not least that their parents need to work in many cases).

2. #1 can't really be done without spreading the plague.

3. Profit?

I honestly don't know if what solution there is to this if any.
 
2020-06-29 11:10:13 PM  
They won't be saying this in a month or two. They'll be trying to pretend they never did.
 
2020-06-29 11:10:20 PM  
Rich kids aren't going back.
 
2020-06-29 11:10:46 PM  

hawaiijenno: Can we finally admit that not everyone should have kids?


I'm  bit baffled as to what this has to do with this story. Do go on....
 
2020-06-29 11:11:14 PM  
My niece and nephew start in a couple weeks. We're just going to have to extra careful about spending time with mom which sucks for her.
 
2020-06-29 11:14:29 PM  

eiger: 1. Kids need to go back to school for a thousand reasons (not least that their parents need to work in many cases).

2. #1 can't really be done without spreading the plague.

3. Profit?

I honestly don't know if what solution there is to this if any.


Solution? Boarding schools. They can spread it amongst themselves for the semester. They mostly will be fine and will come home largely immune for Christmas.
 
2020-06-29 11:17:21 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: eiger: 1. Kids need to go back to school for a thousand reasons (not least that their parents need to work in many cases).

2. #1 can't really be done without spreading the plague.

3. Profit?

I honestly don't know if what solution there is to this if any.

Solution? Boarding schools. They can spread it amongst themselves for the semester. They mostly will be fine and will come home largely immune for Christmas.


I assume this is a joke considering we can barely pay for what we have?
 
2020-06-29 11:17:24 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: eiger: 1. Kids need to go back to school for a thousand reasons (not least that their parents need to work in many cases).

2. #1 can't really be done without spreading the plague.

3. Profit?

I honestly don't know if what solution there is to this if any.

Solution? Boarding schools. They can spread it amongst themselves for the semester. They mostly will be fine and will come home largely immune for Christmas.


Difficulty: When the staff is all infected.
 
2020-06-29 11:17:26 PM  

eiger: hawaiijenno: Can we finally admit that not everyone should have kids?

I'm  bit baffled as to what this has to do with this story. Do go on....


100% of the people who test positive are children of parents. If all those stupid parents never had kids, we wouldn't be in this situation.
 
2020-06-29 11:19:23 PM  
Did they account for the deleterious effect on some kids from giving their parents COVID? Out of a decent sized school you will lose one or two parents this way, and in a decent sized city you will make some orphans. We'll have to make some macaroni art for teacher funerals as well. Tell us again how this is going to be good for the kids?
 
2020-06-29 11:19:32 PM  
There's some evidence that closing schools did very little to mitigate viral spread.
 
2020-06-29 11:20:47 PM  
We've tried to have socially distanced meetings with other people's kids.  We discovered most parents haven't even bothered to try to explain keeping distance to their kids.  Their kids got upset because my kid was asking her to keep distance and it turned into a shiat show.

I'm not sending my kid to school where they'll have no one to help them keep their boundaries when violating those boundaries can result in life-long impairments or death.
 
2020-06-29 11:22:07 PM  
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2020-06-29 11:28:31 PM  

GardenWeasel: I really don't understand this.


They're saying kids are less likely to contract it and generally do not experience severe symptoms, if they experience symptoms at all, so are a low risk group who also don't spread the disease effectively.

They're balancing this against the educational, social and developmental issues associated with keeping an entire generation of children socially isolated from virtually all their peers and with little to no human contact outside their immediate family for a year, possibly longer.
 
2020-06-29 11:33:56 PM  

hawaiijenno: Can we finally admit that not everyone should have kids?


Can we finally admit that india and china should stop having kids for like 15 years
 
2020-06-29 11:34:57 PM  
My district is doing all sorts of surveys right now, and I've been voting for some type of hybrid because my kindergartener got nothing out of distance learning. They did like an hour a day and like half of it was the pledge, morning announcements and a song where they greeted everyone in the class. He went from liking going to school to having to be dragged over to the laptop. I then had to sit with him to make sure we didn't miss any of the "assignments" that were randomly scattered between 3 different apps. It's a nightmare. If they are planning 100% distance they better come up with a way to keep those kids engaged 6 hours a day without parental input. If I'm going to have to attend "school" with my kid to make sure I know what assignments he has to do, then refund my property taxes because I'm not going to pay for schools that are giving less than an hour of actual instruction a day, give me a list of things a 1st grader is supposed to be able to at the end of the year and I'll figure out how to get him there on my own.
 
2020-06-29 11:37:19 PM  
Collectively, we need to make a choice and I fear for some states the choice has already been made.

"We need to look at *all* the things we want to reopen and face the fact that if we truly want to prioritize schools opening and staying open, some other parts of our society might just have to wait."
 
2020-06-29 11:47:24 PM  
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2020-06-29 11:50:07 PM  

40 degree day: Did they account for the deleterious effect on some kids from giving their parents COVID? Out of a decent sized school you will lose one or two parents this way, and in a decent sized city you will make some orphans. We'll have to make some macaroni art for teacher funerals as well. Tell us again how this is going to be good for the kids?


Yeah. It's awful for kids not to be socialized, but they don't perform too well for several years after being orphaned & shuffled around foster homes.
 
2020-06-29 11:52:37 PM  
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2020-06-29 11:55:41 PM  
People are never happy in my town. They wanted the kids to go back in person but now they're complaining because the kids will have to wear a mask even though the governor has said he's going to get every student a mask.

It's the best solution Illinois could come up with for an all around bad situation. Like it or not, there's too many households where both parents have to work and schools act as low cost childcare.
 
2020-06-29 11:56:56 PM  
What they don't mention is schools are also the primary way that authorities ensure kids are nourished and not being abused.  Having the extra sets of eyes on kids every day means problems at home can be spotted earlier.  The powers that be are concerned that home schooling and distance learning messes with this.

Of course they can't just come out and say that kids are safer at school than at home......but statistics tell us many of y'all suck ass as parents.

Lockdown increases child abuse risk
 
2020-06-30 12:10:02 AM  

yohohogreengiant: Because kids never give each other viruses at school and then carry them home to their families.

This advice only makes sense if the motive is to accelerate the spread.


Why don't you trust doctors, comrade. Don't you believe in science?
 
2020-06-30 12:12:22 AM  

Target Builder: GardenWeasel: I really don't understand this.

They're saying kids are less likely to contract it and generally do not experience severe symptoms, if they experience symptoms at all, so are a low risk group who also don't spread the disease effectively.

They're balancing this against the educational, social and developmental issues associated with keeping an entire generation of children socially isolated from virtually all their peers and with little to no human contact outside their immediate family for a year, possibly longer.


Finally, someone on here that demonstrates reading comprehension.
 
2020-06-30 12:13:10 AM  
I love all the libs on here who suddenly distrust doctors and science.

Hypocrites.
 
2020-06-30 12:15:01 AM  

corn-bread: What they don't mention is schools are also the primary way that authorities ensure kids are nourished and not being abused.  Having the extra sets of eyes on kids every day means problems at home can be spotted earlier.  The powers that be are concerned that home schooling and distance learning messes with this.

Of course they can't just come out and say that kids are safer at school than at home......but statistics tell us many of y'all suck ass as parents.

Lockdown increases child abuse risk


Oh whatever.
If that was the real concern, school would be year round. And, if it was really really a concern it would be boarding school. Sod off!
 
2020-06-30 12:15:13 AM  

hausman007: My district is doing all sorts of surveys right now, and I've been voting for some type of hybrid because my kindergartener got nothing out of distance learning. They did like an hour a day and like half of it was the pledge, morning announcements and a song where they greeted everyone in the class. He went from liking going to school to having to be dragged over to the laptop. I then had to sit with him to make sure we didn't miss any of the "assignments" that were randomly scattered between 3 different apps. It's a nightmare. If they are planning 100% distance they better come up with a way to keep those kids engaged 6 hours a day without parental input. If I'm going to have to attend "school" with my kid to make sure I know what assignments he has to do, then refund my property taxes because I'm not going to pay for schools that are giving less than an hour of actual instruction a day, give me a list of things a 1st grader is supposed to be able to at the end of the year and I'll figure out how to get him there on my own.


If you were sending your kid to private school you would still have to pay property taxes
 
2020-06-30 12:15:34 AM  
At least in my area, there's lots of shut down schools from the recession.  Open them back up so you can keep class size below 10 and have a bunch of people get their substitute credentials.  Real teacher every other day, emergency credential teacher every other day.  Serve lunch in the classroom, stagger recess, masks in the bathroom with portable HEPA air filter, stagger pick-up times by family name so parents only have to come once.
 
2020-06-30 12:27:27 AM  

chitownmike: hausman007: My district is doing all sorts of surveys right now, and I've been voting for some type of hybrid because my kindergartener got nothing out of distance learning. They did like an hour a day and like half of it was the pledge, morning announcements and a song where they greeted everyone in the class. He went from liking going to school to having to be dragged over to the laptop. I then had to sit with him to make sure we didn't miss any of the "assignments" that were randomly scattered between 3 different apps. It's a nightmare. If they are planning 100% distance they better come up with a way to keep those kids engaged 6 hours a day without parental input. If I'm going to have to attend "school" with my kid to make sure I know what assignments he has to do, then refund my property taxes because I'm not going to pay for schools that are giving less than an hour of actual instruction a day, give me a list of things a 1st grader is supposed to be able to at the end of the year and I'll figure out how to get him there on my own.

If you were sending your kid to private school you would still have to pay property taxes


Yes and no.

You could choose to live in an area with lower property taxes.
 
2020-06-30 12:38:40 AM  
"And, it also argues that masks are probably not practical for children younger than middle school unless they can wear a mask without increased face touching."

I don;t recall touching any other kid's face even in public school. Even in high school, it was only with the "Babe".

OMG.....am I.... socially backward?
 
2020-06-30 12:56:31 AM  
My 3rd old is already back in pre-school. Reduced class sizes, classes not mingling on playgrounds and such. Teachers wearing masks, temperatures taken every morning, staggered pick up / drop off times -  all the things.
But they just closed bars again in my area so maybe I'll bring her home until they open again. Or have another kid so they can properly socialize each other.
 
2020-06-30 1:02:59 AM  

waxbeans: corn-bread: What they don't mention is schools are also the primary way that authorities ensure kids are nourished and not being abused.  Having the extra sets of eyes on kids every day means problems at home can be spotted earlier.  The powers that be are concerned that home schooling and distance learning messes with this.

Of course they can't just come out and say that kids are safer at school than at home......but statistics tell us many of y'all suck ass as parents.

Lockdown increases child abuse risk

Oh whatever.
If that was the real concern, school would be year round. And, if it was really really a concern it would be boarding school. Sod off!



Evidently you live under a rock and am unaware there is a push nationwide for year round school.  It's a big issue right now.

Take your dick out of your hand and do some research.
 
2020-06-30 1:30:27 AM  

lolmao500: hawaiijenno: Can we finally admit that not everyone should have kids?

Can we finally admit that india and china should stop having kids for like 15 years


😳
 
2020-06-30 1:37:19 AM  

corn-bread: waxbeans: corn-bread: What they don't mention is schools are also the primary way that authorities ensure kids are nourished and not being abused.  Having the extra sets of eyes on kids every day means problems at home can be spotted earlier.  The powers that be are concerned that home schooling and distance learning messes with this.

Of course they can't just come out and say that kids are safer at school than at home......but statistics tell us many of y'all suck ass as parents.

Lockdown increases child abuse risk

Oh whatever.
If that was the real concern, school would be year round. And, if it was really really a concern it would be boarding school. Sod off!


Evidently you live under a rock and am unaware there is a push nationwide for year round school.  It's a big issue right now.

Take your dick out of your hand and do some research.


There have been pushes for all kinds of things for years, and even decades.
Again, if the people in power, actually cared it be a thing. It doesn't matter what that thing is.
If it isn't happening, it is because people with power or money don't care.
Maybe you need to wake up.

🧐🤔🙄
 
2020-06-30 1:46:31 AM  
Beyond serious and immediate health issues, we have no real idea what the long-term organ damage is from C19.  Saying that kids will be OK is highly irresponsible and saying that they probably won't transmit is equally stupid.  Fark off, AAP!
 
2020-06-30 1:55:31 AM  

vrax: Beyond serious and immediate health issues, we have no real idea what the long-term organ damage is from C19.  Saying that kids will be OK is highly irresponsible and saying that they probably won't transmit is equally stupid.  Fark off, AAP!


This
 
2020-06-30 2:32:18 AM  

Target Builder: GardenWeasel: I really don't understand this.

They're saying kids are less likely to contract it and generally do not experience severe symptoms, if they experience symptoms at all, so are a low risk group who also don't spread the disease effectively.

They're balancing this against the educational, social and developmental issues associated with keeping an entire generation of children socially isolated from virtually all their peers and with little to no human contact outside their immediate family for a year, possibly longer.


The problem is we know so little about covid. We say asymptomatic because we don't see anything at the moment. There was a time when HPV was asymptomatic them we found the link between it and cancer. And given we are just now finding how damaging covid is to other organs and there is some linkage between covud in children and increased seizure risk maybe kids aren't as asymptomatic. Frankly, a year off from school has a lower potential fkr harm than not
 
2020-06-30 2:46:59 AM  
Headline should have been "Faced With The Stark Realization That Diseases Spread at Schools Generate 90% of Their Income, Pediatricians Strongly Recommend Cramming a Bunch of Nasty Kids In Classrooms"
 
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