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(Daily Mail)   Missouri lawyer couple who brandished an AR-15 and a handgun at protesters now say the protesters broke down their mansion gate and claim they were 'in fear of our lives' and were told they 'would be killed'   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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6 days ago  

js34603: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

Ok so maybe they did damage some property. But those people are rich so it makes it ok.

But I still maintain they didn't threaten anyone, peaceful protestors would never do that. However if it later turns out they did threaten them, they deserved it.


Do you still have your baby in a display box?
 
5 days ago  

Dictatorial_Flair: vrax: MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
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It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.

Ah, exactly what I was wondering.  So it is actually a community gate.

The way the woman was pointing her gun at people was absolutely against all firearm safety rules.  At the very minimum she should lose her license for that.  Someone could have easily been killed.  FFS, it's not a pointing device.  He wasn't much better.  If he'd have accidentally shot his wife this would have been something special.  So 2020.

Missouri does not issue gun licenses. You can take an assault rifle into a Denny's if you want to and the worst that's likely to happen is they'll tell you to leave. Well, as long as you're white.


Yeah, I was forgetting where we were talking about.  These people are a great example of why having no requirements to own a firearm is a bad idea.
 
5 days ago  

Z-clipped: Mock26: Z-clipped: dstanley: Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?

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*snert*

So the street the protesters went through the gate to walk on was, in fact, a public street and not private property at all.

No. Mr. Snert pinned the wrong street.

Portland, Lake and Westmoreland are all signedas being private property, but the city maintains them (and is apparently resurfacing Lake as we speak), and the zoning has them listed as public thoroughfares.

This is just rich assholes being rich assholes, and laying claim to things they don't own.


I agree with your last line. I am not defending the couple in the least big. In fact, I have "called them out" for lying about the gate being smashed.
 
5 days ago  

mindset zero: Z-clipped: mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.

They do have a right to be on their property with weapons. Period.

Them pointing at people is not really cool.


Them pointing weapons at people is called brandishing, and it is illegal in Missouri.
 
5 days ago  

mindset zero: a_room_with_a_moose: mindset zero: Z-clipped: mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.

They do have a right to be on their property with weapons. Period.

Them pointing at people is not really cool.


Oh it's not cool?  Really?  Could you be any more obvious in your attempt to play down a felony?

Same with criminal trespass and destruction of property for the protesters.

I already told you that trespassing has not necessarily even occurred.  There is considerable question as to the status of the street and sidewalk.

As for destruction of property, IF there is video of someone destroying the gate, by all means, hold that person accountable for it.  If not, good luck charging anyone.  IF there's a security camera on the gate and the Human Twinkies don't turn it over, they did it themselves.
 
5 days ago  

chookbillion: Do you still have your baby in a display box?


What was the little brat's name again? For the LIFE of me I cannot remember.
 
5 days ago  

Mock26: chookbillion: Do you still have your baby in a display box?

What was the little brat's name again? For the LIFE of me I cannot remember.


I'm trying to find the photo but it may be gone with the last laptop.
 
5 days ago  

mindset zero: They are INSIDE a gated community.


NO THEY ARE NOT.  This neighborhood is HISTORIC and not gated.  There's a gate blocking one street entrance, but the actual access street that the residents use is ungated and the streets are, according to public zoning, public thoroughfares.

mindset zero: The housing management company that runs the gated community maintains the streets.


Then why is the city repaving them?  Evidence that contradicts everything you're saying has already been posted in the thread.  Please make with some proof of your claims or STFU.

Mock26: I am not defending the couple in the least big.


Oh I know.  I was just trying to be helpful.
 
5 days ago  

Z-clipped: and the streets are, according to public zoning, public thoroughfares.


So it isn't even privately maintained? Geez, I thought "entitled", but it doesn't even begin to describe it.
 
5 days ago  
Just reading the headline I knew exactly how this thread would turn out. No need to even read past the Weeners. It just all repeats from there. Gotta go, this echo just keeps ringing...
 
5 days ago  

Z-clipped: Mock26: I am not defending the couple in the least big.


Oh I know.  I was just trying to be helpful.


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/Gary is my pandemic spirit animal
//Nothing but respect for Gary!
 
5 days ago  

chookbillion: Mock26: chookbillion: Do you still have your baby in a display box?

What was the little brat's name again? For the LIFE of me I cannot remember.

I'm trying to find the photo but it may be gone with the last laptop.


I do not even remember the name of the little all star, else I could try to search for the image on my computer (thought like you, it might be gone with the old).
 
5 days ago  

Z-clipped: mindset zero: a_room_with_a_moose: mindset zero: Z-clipped: mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.

They do have a right to be on their property with weapons. Period.

Them pointing at people is not really cool.

Oh it's not cool?  Really?  Could you be any more obvious in your attempt to play down a felony?

Same with criminal trespass and destruction of property for the protesters.

I already told you that trespassing has not necessarily even occurred.  There is considerable question as to the status of the street and sidewalk.

As for destruction of property, IF there is video of someone destroying the gate, by all means, hold that person accountable for it.  If not, good luck charging anyone.  IF there's a security camera on the gate and the Human Twinkies don't turn it over, they did it themselves.


Streets in a gated community are private property
 
5 days ago  

lolmao500: [Fark user image image 528x339]


Wow, that's got to be the most wildly flattering depiction of a congenital moron since that portrait of Charles X.
 
5 days ago  

DigitalDirt: And apparently if your 🐖 your life is always in danger

Not quite sure what yo are saying, we are all in danger, but I don't have a gun loaded in my house, they are locked in a safe.
I grew up in a Police and drafted Vietnam Army family (grandfather and father).  We where a Quaker family, so violence is not what we were taught violence was thrust upon us.


Just saying the police narrative is they are in constant danger. Don't buy it.

/Mom was a cop
//Grew up terrified she be killed at work.
///Crime is actually rare.
//// the majority of people have a better chance of dying in a car accident than having a crime happened to them.
Ymmv.
Don't smoke crack.
Don't do drugs with ppl.
Don't touch under age girls.
Pay the child support.
Do try to scam people with less to loss than you.
Don't worry about being correct. Drop and leave before it gets violent.
 
5 days ago  

mindset zero: a_room_with_a_moose: mindset zero: a_room_with_a_moose: mindset zero: Z-clipped: mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.

They do have a right to be on their property with weapons. Period.

Them pointing at people is not really cool.

Them pointing their guns at people is more than "not cool", it is a crime, under Missouri code.

Then prosecute them for it. (Probably will be thrown out, guy is a lawyer)

Same with criminal trespass and destruction of property for the protesters.

It is by no means established that the street is actually private. It appears to be maintained by the city. As to the destruction of the gate, let's see the security footage.

I hope the couple is charged. They give responsible gun owners a bad name. Not to mention, the pitcher of Bloody Mary's in the background would imply they weren't sober while waiving their guns around.

They are INSIDE a gated community. That is the side gate by the main gate. Houses in a gated community are in the gate community. It is kinda of the point. The streets are also private propriety, The housing management company that runs the gated community maintains the streets.


AKA their would be Zimmerman's.
 
5 days ago  

mindset zero: Streets in a gated community are private property


Even if they were you still can't point your gun at strangers walking down them.
 
5 days ago  

AeAe: Brandishing is a crime. I hope they get charged.


How is that brandishing when people are illegally on your property? If the protestors were marching in the city streets and they decided to do this, sure. I am sure this couple is probably pretty terrible, but the protestors were in the wrong here. No about of self-righteous bs makes trespassing acceptable.
 
5 days ago  
Missouri is a "Castle Law State" and the couple were in their rights to defend their property. The mob of "peaceful protesters" had no right to be there, and at that point the only peaceful protester might be a dead one.

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5 days ago  

the money is in the banana stand: AeAe: Brandishing is a crime. I hope they get charged.

How is that brandishing when people are illegally on your property? If the protestors were marching in the city streets and they decided to do this, sure. I am sure this couple is probably pretty terrible, but the protestors were in the wrong here. No about of self-righteous bs makes trespassing acceptable.


What ever.

Cut the 💩.
brandishing a firearm is a phony-baloney charge that cops and district attorneys use at their whim.
I'm not I'm not necessarily saying I agree or disagree with this but it does suffer from selective prosecution.


So, if it gets used on the above couple, meh, how many normal people got screwed by the same b.s. law.
 
5 days ago  

strathmeyer: mindset zero: Streets in a gated community are private property

Even if they were you still can't point your gun at strangers walking down them.


Did not say they could.

But you how this will play out if it even went to court. Dismissed. I am betting the lawyer will not mind now fighting that in court. Given the size of that house, I bet he is a pretty dam good one too. Their argument most likely. They busted down our gate, broke into private property, and we felt under duress and felt the need to protect our property.

Just really glad a gate was the worst of it. Could have turned out bad and then no one could have the funny memes about it.

Also the mayor seems like a asshole.
 
5 days ago  

Z-clipped: mindset zero: They are INSIDE a gated community.

NO THEY ARE NOT.  This neighborhood is HISTORIC and not gated.  There's a gate blocking one street entrance, but the actual access street that the residents use is ungated and the streets are, according to public zoning, public thoroughfares.

mindset zero: The housing management company that runs the gated community maintains the streets.

Then why is the city repaving them?  Evidence that contradicts everything you're saying has already been posted in the thread.  Please make with some proof of your claims or STFU.

Mock26: I am not defending the couple in the least big.

Oh I know.  I was just trying to be helpful.


https://www.stlmag.com/history/archit​e​cture/private-streets-of-st-louis/
 
5 days ago  

Mock26: middlewaytao: Public road, public sidewalk.

https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/sta​tus/1277509594051416070

Uh, that is the location of City Hall. The people were protesting at Mayor's private residence, which is not at city hall, or at 107 North Seventh Ave. Portland Place is about 4.5 miles away from the address listed in that Tweet.

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City Hall isn't in the historic district described on the form.  City Hall is where the platting for the historic district was filed.
 
5 days ago  

bigbadideasinaction: yohohogreengiant: Murflette: Idk a lot about handguns, but judging by the pose marshmallow barbie is standing in and holding that gun, were she to pull the trigger not only would she likely miss wildly, but the kick would probably send the gun straight to her face.

Idk if you can find the photo in this article but there's one photo of Suburbia Bonnie  with her finger engaged on the trigger. NRA spokesmodel material.

Yeah, I get it, it's legal to act like an asshole in front of your Castle with your sidearm. Hooray.

Funny, the fark NRA fellatio squad haven't come down hard on her. I wonder why she's automatically deemed responsible and not a thug?


For the same reason they didn't say shiat about the killing of a CCW holder in Minnesota.
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5 days ago  
- If I have my gate to my backyard unlocked and you decide to enter it without my consent, you are trespassing.
- If I have my gate open to my backyard and you decide to enter it without my consent, you are trespassing
- If I don't even have a farking gate and you are in my  backyard without my consent, you are trespassing.
- If I don't even have a farking house and you are on my property without my consent, you're again, trespassing.
- If you live in a gated neighborhood and someone happens onto the property without consent, they are trespassing.
- The sidewalk, or the street in a private or gated community is not the same as a public street. By being there uninvited, without consent, and entering illegally, you are - trespassing.
- Depending where you live, trespassing can be dealt with in a myriad if ways. It is generally regarded however trespassing is both a bad thing and illegal. Trying to make anything other than that just makes you a turd.

Now, was it the best decision to walk out in the open and confront a crowd that has gained access to your property illegally not knowing if they are armed or not and when they outnumber you greatly, and not knowing their motives? No. Is it within their right to do so, absolutely. You could argue broadcasting you are armed makes you a target. You could also argue that broadcasting you are armed makes you a threat to be avoided. Considering the crowd did not attack them or apparently damage their property, looks like the gamble paid off. Me personally? I would have taken up a more tactical position in my home armed and call the cops and make it my life's mission every last asshole that decided to barge in was made an example of. Thankfully, none of the dipshiats escalated things and the homeowners didn't fire any shots. While I am sure it would be justifiable, it could have been avoided without incident.
 
5 days ago  

WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.


That's still brandishing. And in Missouri, if I'm not mistaken, a good enough reason to shoot first.
 
5 days ago  

padraig: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

That's still brandishing. And in Missouri, if I'm not mistaken, a good enough reason to shoot first.


Pointing a firearm at trespassers after they fail to heed verbal cues to leave your private property under threat of action is not brandishing. What you are suggesting then is that the only course of action you are allowed to take with a firearm in such a position is to shoot someone with intent to kill them. Is that what you wanted to happen?
 
5 days ago  

the money is in the banana stand: .

Pointing a firearm at trespassers after they fail to heed verbal cues to leave your private property under threat of action is not brandishing. What you are suggesting then is that the only course of action you are allowed to take with a firearm in such a position is to shoot someone with intent to kill them. Is that what you wanted to happen?


Isn't a lady in jail for firing a warning shot? Apparently, when in fear for your life, murder is the only thing you can legally do. At least in that case.
 
5 days ago  

waxbeans: the money is in the banana stand: .

Pointing a firearm at trespassers after they fail to heed verbal cues to leave your private property under threat of action is not brandishing. What you are suggesting then is that the only course of action you are allowed to take with a firearm in such a position is to shoot someone with intent to kill them. Is that what you wanted to happen?

Isn't a lady in jail for firing a warning shot? Apparently, when in fear for your life, murder is the only thing you can legally do. At least in that case.


Warning shots are different, namely because indiscriminately firing in hopes of scaring off a would be intruder is different than targeting one and issuing verbal cues to leave your property or you will use force. Discharging your firearm away from your target could strike an unintended target. It is a pretty grey area still in my opinion as I believe warning shots to be justifiable in certain circumstances. I would rather exhaust all non-lethal options to have my would be attacker or trespasser leave before having to use deadly force. Restricting those options to simply shoot to kill or conceal your firearm does not leave a whole lot of room for rational decision making.
 
5 days ago  
It is just stuff.  Why risk someone getting hurt.  Pack your pets in your car and leave.  Go stay in a hotel.  When it is over call the insurance company.  It is just not worth it.
 
5 days ago  

the money is in the banana stand: .

Warning shots are different, namely because indiscriminately firing in hopes of scaring off a would be intruder is different than targeting one and issuing verbal cues to leave your property or you will use force. Discharging your firearm away from your target could strike an unintended target. It is a pretty grey area still in my opinion as I believe warning shots to be justifiable in certain circumstances. I would rather exhaust all non-lethal options to have my would be attacker or trespasser leave before having to use deadly force. Restricting those options to simply shoot to kill or conceal your firearm does not leave a whole lot of room for rational decision making.


I'm not taking a side. I'm pointing to instances that I'm aware that contradict some of the things said up thread.

Only opinion, I have on a personal level, is, I know I'd been arrested for doing what those people did.

The law is very variable. For me, I have no choice but, to wait, till it is clear I had no choice, but to shoot.

(Not that I own a gun. Because, the legal thresholds of acceptable use are stupid. )

But, I'm aware this is a matter of privilege. Ymmv.
As does mine.

/Brandishing a firearm  charges have a lot of leeway and discretion.
//It's nice to be rich/white/connected
 
5 days ago  
You can't even give them credit for handling it well assuming they thought they were about to be murdered.  If the mob is descending on your house you break out some windows and fire from inside.
 
5 days ago  
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5 days ago  

HoratioGates: You can't even give them credit for handling it well assuming they thought they were about to be murdered.  If the mob is descending on your house you break out some windows and fire from inside.


???
What
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If you are going to shoot, shoot to kill. Can't do that with an obstructed view. You wait till you see the whites of their beady eyes.
 
5 days ago  
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Note: the preacher at my church sent me that one.
 
5 days ago  

middlewaytao: Public road, public sidewalk.

https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/sta​tus/1277509594051416070


Again, for all the derps missing it.
 
5 days ago  

cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

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The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.


That gate appears to have been bent:
- inward
- while already open

Causing that sort of damage by pushing on a closed gate is more difficult than pulling from outside. From outside, a closed gate such as this would be easier to damage by bracing your feet against the middle of the gate and heaving backwards on the top. Pushing it in as shown in the picture would require more than BFMI (brute force and massive ignorance) to accomplish. Any such damage would have visible evidence on both leaves of the gate as well. Any marginally-competent investigator would be able to determine how the damage happened fairly quickly.

I didn't see it in TFA- did a 9-1-1 call transcript surface?

As posted upthread, the lawyers in TFA probably thought they were finally going to get their chance to realize their paranoid wet dreams of gunning down a mob of bloodthirsty poors/colored people. Now that the initial sexual rush has faded, they're trying desperately to cover their mind-bogglingly stupid actions using the Jimbo and Ned defense.

I imagine a lot of wealthy white people are beginning to realize their fantasies of riding out societal collapse from the comfort of their walled compounds are not particularly realistic. Two middle-aged office workers will not be able to defend their little castle from any group of determined enemies, regardless of how many guns they have. Fixed fortifications do have their uses in some circumstances, but they're vulnerable to siege tactics.

Sadly, the shiatweasels in TFA are unlikely to face any consequences from their racist stupidityness. Any potential action by state or local authorities against them is likely to be bogged down in the courts for years, and the lawyers in question probably have the money to mitigate any penalties which do manage to get through litigation.

It would be nice if they both got convicted of felonies and thereby lose their rights to own or possess firearms. There should be some sort of literary term to describe that sort of thing. Melodic Karma, maybe?
 
5 days ago  

edmo: If a black man in North St Louis had pointed a gun at a bunch of white people walking by, how do you suppose this would have turned out?


shiat. That Daniel Shaver (I think his name was) was briefly seen with an air rifle and forced to play the most high stakes game of Simon Says of all time. He lost. And he was white! These morons were so lucky. I can't believe they didn't accidentally shoot each other. They should buy lotto tickets.
 
5 days ago  
These protesters were on a mission and were not after these idiots. I wonder how many houses they walked by with those residents just looking out the window being undisturbed. If there's a mob outside my door, I get my guns and wait. First person that crosses the threshold unannounced and uninvited gets to see if my target shooting paid off. But a protest crossing near my yard is not cause for me to run out, barefooted in a mustard splattered shirt, waving a gun around and exacerbating an already unprecedented situation. Dumbasses.
 
5 days ago  
Mixed feelings: protest at city hall, not at elected officials houses.  On the other hand:
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5 days ago  

Wenchmaster: cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

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The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.

That gate appears to have been bent:
- inward
- while already open

Causing that sort of damage by pushing on a closed gate is more difficult than pulling from outside. From outside, a closed gate such as this would be easier to damage by bracing your feet against the middle of the gate and heaving backwards on the top. Pushing it in as shown in the picture would require more than BFMI (brute force and massive ignorance) to accomplish. Any such damage would have visible evidence on both leaves of the gate as well. Any marginally-competent investigator would be able to determine how the damage happened fairly quickly.

I didn't see it in TFA- did a 9-1-1 call transcript surface?

As posted upthread, the lawyers in TFA probably thought they were finally going to get their chance to realize their paranoid wet dreams of gunning down a mob of bloodthirsty poors/colored people. Now that the initial sexual rush has faded, they're trying desperately to cover their mind-bogglingly stupid actions using the Jimbo and Ned defense.

I imagine a lot of wealthy white people are beginning to realize their fantasies of riding out societal collapse from the comfort of their walled compounds are not particularly realistic. Two middle-aged office workers will not be able to defend their little castle from any group of determined enemies, regardless of how many guns they have. Fixed fortifications do have their uses in some circumstances, but they're vulnerable to siege tactics.

Sadly, the shiatweasels in TFA are unlikely to face any consequences from their racis ...


Apparently they were pro-blm lefties that supported these marches.
Up until the mob came for them. It's probably safe to assume they don't support it as much now.

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5 days ago  

Mock26: Z-clipped: dstanley: Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?

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*snert*

So the street the protesters went through the gate to walk on was, in fact, a public street and not private property at all.

No. Mr. Snert pinned the wrong street.


I was just laughing at "Ken and Karen", not trying to pin anything.
 
5 days ago  
These people are frauds. You can tell because they don't know about a forward grip or a front sight.
 
5 days ago  

Ragin' Asian: These people are frauds. You can tell because they don't know about a forward grip or a front sight.


I don't think they're the standard boogaloo crowd. He probably owned a few guns because rich people can afford expensive toys, not because he planned to use them this way. The AR looked like it still had the dealer strap on it.

It still goes to show that there's a point where people stop playing. Whatever their political view was before, it gave way to the basic need for security and shelter. Because they were untrained the mob was far more likely to catch a bullet from them than an alt-right militia guy.
 
5 days ago  

way south: It still goes to show that there's a point where people stop playing. Whatever their political view was before, it gave way to the basic need for security and shelter.


They were under no threat.  They were the threat.
 
5 days ago  

planes: Missouri is a "Castle Law State" and the couple were in their rights to defend their property.


Castle law refers to the house and inside the house. Doesn't cover property outdoors.
 
5 days ago  

Abracapocalypse: You know it'd be a lot easier to make the case they were overreacting if people hadn't been farking burning down buildings left and right for weeks...


All the buildings around them got torched. Only theirs remained!
 
5 days ago  

Megathuma: They reference the storming of the Bastille, casting themselves as the wealthy monarchy finally being targeted for abusing the rest of their society.
They are *almost* self-aware.

Also, their story?

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"Do you know the name of your society?"
 
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way south: Wenchmaster: cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

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The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.

That gate appears to have been bent:
- inward
- while already open

Causing that sort of damage by pushing on a closed gate is more difficult than pulling from outside. From outside, a closed gate such as this would be easier to damage by bracing your feet against the middle of the gate and heaving backwards on the top. Pushing it in as shown in the picture would require more than BFMI (brute force and massive ignorance) to accomplish. Any such damage would have visible evidence on both leaves of the gate as well. Any marginally-competent investigator would be able to determine how the damage happened fairly quickly.

I didn't see it in TFA- did a 9-1-1 call transcript surface?

As posted upthread, the lawyers in TFA probably thought they were finally going to get their chance to realize their paranoid wet dreams of gunning down a mob of bloodthirsty poors/colored people. Now that the initial sexual rush has faded, they're trying desperately to cover their mind-bogglingly stupid actions using the Jimbo and Ned defense.

I imagine a lot of wealthy white people are beginning to realize their fantasies of riding out societal collapse from the comfort of their walled compounds are not particularly realistic. Two middle-aged office workers will not be able to defend their little castle from any group of determined enemies, regardless of how many guns they have. Fixed fortifications do have their uses in some circumstances, but they're vulnerable to siege tactics.

Sadly, the shiatweasels in TFA are unlikely to face any consequences from their racis ...

Apparently they were pro-blm lefties that supported these marches.
Up until the mob came for them. It's probably safe to assume they don't support it as much now.

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Their statement is complete bullshiat.  Here, for example, is video showing that they were yelling at black BLM protesters.  Oh, and that the protesters were staying off their property and on the sidewalk.  And since the protesters were just walking past their house to get to the mayor's house, the "mob" is less crowded-up than the line for the teacup ride at Disneyland.

During the off-season.
 
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