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(Daily Mail)   Missouri lawyer couple who brandished an AR-15 and a handgun at protesters now say the protesters broke down their mansion gate and claim they were 'in fear of our lives' and were told they 'would be killed'   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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6 days ago  

dstanley: Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?

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*snert*


So the street the protesters went through the gate to walk on was, in fact, a public street and not private property at all.
 
6 days ago  
Getting away with painting your guns at unarmed protestors, that's white privileged IRL. Yeah and they know it
 
6 days ago  

The knight who says EkiEkiPoontang: Protip: If you have n bullets, as long as there are at least n+1 determined mob members, your ass is grass.


Rarely true in practice. Key is: 'determined'.
Also caliber selection. With a big bullet you'll get more than a few twofers. Mobs make it easy. Still maintaining 1:1 round:mobmembercalmed ratio is optimistic.
It's really all about games theory. The mob never knows how many rounds person has.
If I knew the person only had one round left, I'd just push you forward, than take his stuff. But there is no telling.


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6 days ago  

middlewaytao: Public road, public sidewalk.

https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/sta​tus/1277509594051416070


I know that when I have to solve a complex property or zoning matter, I immediately consult a twitter expert who posts a USGS survey and the lower left 1/4 of an index card.
 
6 days ago  

Z-clipped: dstanley: Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?

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*snert*

So the street the protesters went through the gate to walk on was, in fact, a public street and not private property at all.


The St. Louis Street Department (whatever the hell that is - where I come from, we just have Public Works Departments) is reporting that it is a private street.

https://www.channel3000.com/st-louis-​c​ouple-pulls-firearms-on-protesters-cut​ting-through-their-private-street/
 
6 days ago  

PastryChef: That gate leads into a historic housing district and that street is, in fact, according to city maps, a public thoroughfare. Just because there is a gate on your block, the street isn't your property. The gate is there to limit vehicular traffic.


Thousands of troll accounts ITT just cried out, and were suddenly silenced.  I fear something terrible has happened.
 
6 days ago  
Where was all this concern and pearl-clutching from the Trumper crowd when those cops in Chicago broke into Bobby Rush's office to chill and have snacks? Oh wait, he's black and a Democrat and the perps were likely Trump supporters too, so it was totally cool with them.
 
6 days ago  

edmo: pedrop357: edmo: If a black man in North St Louis had pointed a gun at a bunch of white people walking by, how do you suppose this would have turned out?

Did they number in the dozens while trespassing in a gated community and making threats?

Maybe you're not catching on. I'll spell it out.

Switch the colors of all involved, and St Louis SWAT would have shown up and gunned them down. Questions?


Yep, no comparison.
Different skin color? You'd have instant colander.

Behavior like this is actively stoked and supported by the president of the United States. We need him gone, ASAP.

Also, I really hate Android phones.
 
6 days ago  

GrinzGrimly: Seems the height of privilege to think you're entitled to break down someone's gate and trespass on private property without consequences just because you're a special little snowflake.


Neither of which happened.  The street is not private, and nobody broke down a gate to get onto it.

Please try again later.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

SurelyShirley: Name this band

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crying at The White Snipes
 
6 days ago  

Z-clipped: dstanley: Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?

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*snert*

So the street the protesters went through the gate to walk on was, in fact, a public street and not private property at all.


No. Mr. Snert pinned the wrong street.
 
6 days ago  

deadsanta: Yeah, those gates were intact while Ken&Karen put their drinks down and pointed guns at the protesters. Protesters who were walking PAST their house to get to the mayor's home.  You want to know when that gate was broken? After those douches threatened a bunch of pissed off protesters is when. Probably on the way out, from the inside it looks like. I doubt the lawyers did it, even they aren't that dumb, but they provoked that response.


See my post above yours. Someone went on to Google maps and tagger their home as a business called Ken & Karen's.
 
6 days ago  
I could be mistaken but i get the impression if the moron with the Ar-15  had kept his mouth shut the protestors would have passed through and  gone on there way and  no harm would have been done .   Sometimes its just best to keep your mouth shut and don't start shiat.
 
6 days ago  

middlewaytao: Public road, public sidewalk.

https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/st​a​tus/1277509594051416070


Well well well. That makes things quite different.
 
6 days ago  

deadsanta: Yeah, those gates were intact while Ken&Karen put their drinks down and pointed guns at the protesters. Protesters who were walking PAST their house to get to the mayor's home.  You want to know when that gate was broken? After those douches threatened a bunch of pissed off protesters is when. Probably on the way out, from the inside it looks like. I doubt the lawyers did it, even they aren't that dumb, but they provoked that response.


Also, there are two other ways off of this private street, out the gate at the West end of the street and where Portland Place intersects with another street. It does not make sense that the protesters would exit out the same way past a home where they know there are two armed lunatics. Much smarter and safer to leave by another exit.
 
6 days ago  

Murflette: Idk a lot about handguns, but judging by the pose marshmallow barbie is standing in and holding that gun, were she to pull the trigger not only would she likely miss wildly, but the kick would probably send the gun straight to her face.


I'm guessing they bought the guns really recently, and haven't even taken a trip to a gun range yet.
 
6 days ago  

pedrop357: Other than some shiatty trigger discipline, they did nothing wrong.


might want to look up the criminal offenses of the state of Missouri:
2005 Missouri Revised Statutes - § 571.030. - Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--penalties.
571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:
(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or
(2) Sets a spring gun; or
(3) Discharges or shoots a firearm into a dwelling house, a railroad train, boat, aircraft, or motor vehicle as defined in section 302.010, RSMo, or any building or structure used for the assembling of people; or
(4) Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or
(5) Possesses or discharges a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated; or
 
6 days ago  

WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.


It would easier to PULL the gate to make it bend at a fulcrum, than to push it with minimal traction and the chance of goring yourself when the metal does bend?

Perhaps the gate was pulled on from the inside?  Security cameras must be around in a high end 'hood like that.
 
6 days ago  
This whole incident is just part of the marketing to bring about the purge for reals this time.
 
6 days ago  

thorpe: middlewaytao: Public road, public sidewalk.

https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/sta​tus/1277509594051416070

Well well well. That makes things quite different.


The St. Louis Street Department says otherwise:

https://www.channel3000.com/st-louis-​c​ouple-pulls-firearms-on-protesters-cut​ting-through-their-private-street/

Regardless, the couple still committed a felony, IMO, as they don't own the street and had no right to "defend" it.
 
6 days ago  

middlewaytao: Public road, public sidewalk.

https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/sta​tus/1277509594051416070


Uh, that is the location of City Hall. The people were protesting at Mayor's private residence, which is not at city hall, or at 107 North Seventh Ave. Portland Place is about 4.5 miles away from the address listed in that Tweet.

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6 days ago  
Why were they wrong? I'm torn... ish. Their strategy was weird, but they managed to successfully fend off hostile entities. Don't be a dick. If you're a dick, say hello to my little friend.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

maxandgrinch: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It would easier to PULL the gate to make it bend at a fulcrum, than to push it with minimal traction and the chance of goring yourself when the metal does bend?

Perhaps the gate was pulled on from the inside?  Security cameras must be around in a high end 'hood like that.


Since video shows protestors walking through the gate undamaged, I'm leaning towards the lawyer damaged the gate himself, and got his security footage pulled so it can't be used against him.  Because there's no way there's not a camera on that gate.  Since no footage has come forward showing protestors did the damage, I'm sticking with that till it does.
 
6 days ago  

a_room_with_a_moose: The St. Louis Street Department (whatever the hell that is - where I come from, we just have Public Works Departments) is reporting that it is a private street.

https://www.channel3000.com/st-louis-c​ouple-pulls-firearms-on-protesters-cut​ting-through-their-private-street/


I'm confused about this whole private thing. I walk down private streets all the time. Does private mean they can shoot me?
 
6 days ago  

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broken-gategate
 
6 days ago  

strathmeyer: a_room_with_a_moose: The St. Louis Street Department (whatever the hell that is - where I come from, we just have Public Works Departments) is reporting that it is a private street.

https://www.channel3000.com/st-louis-c​ouple-pulls-firearms-on-protesters-cut​ting-through-their-private-street/

I'm confused about this whole private thing. I walk down private streets all the time. Does private mean they can shoot me?


Nope. The couple definitely committed a felony.
 
6 days ago  

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6/28, don't forget the date, an old couple broke their own gate.
 
6 days ago  

middlewaytao: Public road, public sidewalk.

https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/sta​tus/1277509594051416070


a_room_with_a_moose: The St. Louis Street Department (whatever the hell that is - where I come from, we just have Public Works Departments) is reporting that it is a private street.

https://www.channel3000.com/st-louis-c​ouple-pulls-firearms-on-protesters-cut​ting-through-their-private-street/


Looks to me like some rich assholes who live on the Mayor's street decided to get together an "declare" their street (and the access street Lake Ave.) "private" without having the actual authority to do so.  Like so many rich assholes do in so many other places.  Put up a gate and a sign, and if someone asks, make a campaign contribution.

If you look at the entrance to Lake Ave on street view, there's a cute little sign declaring it private, while a few yards beyond, there's a big city-owned construction sign because the city is paying to resurface it. So yeah... not private property, and DEFINITELY not owned by the two human Hostess Cakes with guns.
 
6 days ago  

Mock26: Z-clipped: dstanley: Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?

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*snert*

So the street the protesters went through the gate to walk on was, in fact, a public street and not private property at all.

No. Mr. Snert pinned the wrong street.


Portland, Lake and Westmoreland are all signedas being private property, but the city maintains them (and is apparently resurfacing Lake as we speak), and the zoning has them listed as public thoroughfares.

This is just rich assholes being rich assholes, and laying claim to things they don't own.
 
6 days ago  
As someone who owns an AK-47 rifle, I have a Bulgarian SLR-95 .  I only bought it because the bullets are so cheap and I wanted a target gun to have fun with.  My best friend bought a Ruger Mini-14 and the 223 ammo was more than twice as expensive.
I got off on a tangent, the point is never pull a gun on anyone unless you life is in danger.

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6 days ago  

nitropissering: Meanwhile, in a galaxy far far away.....

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That's ridiculous. They're *with* the Empire, not against it.
 
6 days ago  

DigitalDirt: As someone who owns an AK-47 rifle, I have a Bulgarian SLR-95 .  I only bought it because the bullets are so cheap and I wanted a target gun to have fun with.  My best friend bought a Ruger Mini-14 and the 223 ammo was more than twice as expensive.
I got off on a tangent, the point is never pull a gun on anyone unless you life is in danger.

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And apparently if your 🐖 your life is always in danger
 
6 days ago  

cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

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The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.


It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Not that anyone on here would care. Burn it all right?

As much as people don't like this and their boardline behavior. The couple did nothing wrong. Not sure I would have acted the same way they did. But I would have a gun close by. But I would never live in a gated community. You are just asking to get robbed. (Before you guys go Johnny Blaze, I not saying that's what the protesters where doing. Gated communites tend to get robbed more. At least here.)
 
6 days ago  

waxbeans: DigitalDirt: As someone who owns an AK-47 rifle, I have a Bulgarian SLR-95 .  I only bought it because the bullets are so cheap and I wanted a target gun to have fun with.  My best friend bought a Ruger Mini-14 and the 223 ammo was more than twice as expensive.
I got off on a tangent, the point is never pull a gun on anyone unless you life is in danger.

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And apparently if your 🐖 your life is always in danger


Not quite sure what yo are saying, we are all in danger, but I don't have a gun loaded in my house, they are locked in a safe.
I grew up in a Police and drafted Vietnam Army family (grandfather and father).  We where a Quaker family, so violence is not what we were taught violence was thrust upon us.
 
6 days ago  

DigitalDirt: waxbeans: DigitalDirt: As someone who owns an AK-47 rifle, I have a Bulgarian SLR-95 .  I only bought it because the bullets are so cheap and I wanted a target gun to have fun with.  My best friend bought a Ruger Mini-14 and the 223 ammo was more than twice as expensive.
I got off on a tangent, the point is never pull a gun on anyone unless you life is in danger.

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And apparently if your 🐖 your life is always in danger

Not quite sure what yo are saying, we are all in danger, but I don't have a gun loaded in my house, they are locked in a safe.
I grew up in a Police and drafted Vietnam Army family (grandfather and father).  We were a Quaker family, so violence is not what we were taught violence it was thrust upon us.

 
6 days ago  

vrax: MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
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It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.

Ah, exactly what I was wondering.  So it is actually a community gate.

The way the woman was pointing her gun at people was absolutely against all firearm safety rules.  At the very minimum she should lose her license for that.  Someone could have easily been killed.  FFS, it's not a pointing device.  He wasn't much better.  If he'd have accidentally shot his wife this would have been something special.  So 2020.


Missouri does not issue gun licenses. You can take an assault rifle into a Denny's if you want to and the worst that's likely to happen is they'll tell you to leave. Well, as long as you're white.
 
6 days ago  

cyberspacedout: I'm no metallurgical expert, but I think it would take a concerted effort to do this kind of damage to a wrought-iron gate:

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The protesters don't look heavy enough to have been able to bend it like that. The McCloskeys certainly do.

If the couple has any brains, they already had a security camera pointed at the gate. I'm guessing some of the video will have been conveniently erased.


Security camera footage had identified a the vandal: a pudgy troll with a trained hambeast at his side.
 
6 days ago  
The mayor invited those people into the neighborhood.  Why else would she publish the names and home addresses of community organizers?

These Bastille references are really slaying me.  The next monument White Nationalists take down is going to be the Statue Of Liberty.
 
6 days ago  

mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.


Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.
 
6 days ago  

Z-clipped: mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.


They do have a right to be on their property with weapons. Period.

Them pointing at people is not really cool.
 
6 days ago  
This thread is like a detective novel.  Except all the detectives have been smoking opium and only give a shiat about the optics.
 
6 days ago  

mindset zero: Z-clipped: mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.

They do have a right to be on their property with weapons. Period.

Them pointing at people is not really cool.


Them pointing their guns at people is more than "not cool", it is a crime, under Missouri code.
 
6 days ago  

trappedspirit: This thread is like a detective novel.  Except all the detectives have been smoking opium and only give a shiat about the optics of a gate that could have only been broken by the attorneys themselves.


I don't see a problem with that.
 
6 days ago  

a_room_with_a_moose: mindset zero: Z-clipped: mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.

They do have a right to be on their property with weapons. Period.

Them pointing at people is not really cool.

Them pointing their guns at people is more than "not cool", it is a crime, under Missouri code.


Then prosecute them for it. (Probably will be thrown out, guy is a lawyer)

Same with criminal trespass and destruction of property for the protesters.
 
6 days ago  

mindset zero: a_room_with_a_moose: mindset zero: Z-clipped: mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.

They do have a right to be on their property with weapons. Period.

Them pointing at people is not really cool.

Them pointing their guns at people is more than "not cool", it is a crime, under Missouri code.

Then prosecute them for it. (Probably will be thrown out, guy is a lawyer)

Same with criminal trespass and destruction of property for the protesters.


It is by no means established that the street is actually private. It appears to be maintained by the city. As to the destruction of the gate, let's see the security footage.

I hope the couple is charged. They give responsible gun owners a bad name. Not to mention, the pitcher of Bloody Mary's in the background would imply they weren't sober while waiving their guns around.
 
6 days ago  
You know it'd be a lot easier to make the case they were overreacting if people hadn't been farking burning down buildings left and right for weeks...
 
6 days ago  

yohohogreengiant: Murflette: Idk a lot about handguns, but judging by the pose marshmallow barbie is standing in and holding that gun, were she to pull the trigger not only would she likely miss wildly, but the kick would probably send the gun straight to her face.

Idk if you can find the photo in this article but there's one photo of Suburbia Bonnie  with her finger engaged on the trigger. NRA spokesmodel material.

Yeah, I get it, it's legal to act like an asshole in front of your Castle with your sidearm. Hooray.


Funny, the fark NRA fellatio squad haven't come down hard on her. I wonder why she's automatically deemed responsible and not a thug?
 
6 days ago  

a_room_with_a_moose: mindset zero: a_room_with_a_moose: mindset zero: Z-clipped: mindset zero: It looks like a side gate that leads into the complex. Once they pushed their way in it was private property.

Whether the street and sidewalk are actually private seems to be in question.  The city maintains the street, and it's listed as public in the zoning records.  One Streets Dept worker has reportedly claimed it's a private street to the press.  The community is historic, and not gated.  You can drive right in via Lake Ave.

What is NOT in question is the fact that the dipshiats who pulled guns on people are NOT the owners of the sidewalk and had no right to "defend" it. So yeah, the couple DID do something wrong.  Something feloniously wrong in fact, to people who simply walked through an open gate and weren't threatening them at all- they were almost certainly on their way to the Mayor's residence to protest.

They do have a right to be on their property with weapons. Period.

Them pointing at people is not really cool.

Them pointing their guns at people is more than "not cool", it is a crime, under Missouri code.

Then prosecute them for it. (Probably will be thrown out, guy is a lawyer)

Same with criminal trespass and destruction of property for the protesters.

It is by no means established that the street is actually private. It appears to be maintained by the city. As to the destruction of the gate, let's see the security footage.

I hope the couple is charged. They give responsible gun owners a bad name. Not to mention, the pitcher of Bloody Mary's in the background would imply they weren't sober while waiving their guns around.


They are INSIDE a gated community. That is the side gate by the main gate. Houses in a gated community are in the gate community. It is kinda of the point. The streets are also private propriety, The housing management company that runs the gated community maintains the streets.
 
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