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(Daily Mail)   Missouri lawyer couple who brandished an AR-15 and a handgun at protesters now say the protesters broke down their mansion gate and claim they were 'in fear of our lives' and were told they 'would be killed'   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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6 days ago  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: State_College_Arsonist: That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.

Protip: If you have n bullets, as long as there are at least n+1 determined mob members, your ass is grass.


How big are your bullets and how stacked is the enemy?
 
6 days ago  

Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?


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*snert*
 
6 days ago  

jjwars1: vrax: MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
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It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.

Ah, exactly what I was wondering.  So it is actually a community gate.

The way the woman was pointing her gun at people was absolutely against all firearm safety rules.  At the very minimum she should lose her license for that.  Someone could have easily been killed.  FFS, it's not a pointing device.  He wasn't much better.  If he'd have accidentally shot his wife this would have been something special.  So 2020.

License? Where do you live where your need a license to own or possess a gun?


Ah, I see that Missouri doesn't have any licensing requirements.  Never mind.  I guess she should just have her gun confiscated then since she's obvious unfit to own one.
 
6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: Prank Call of Cthulhu: State_College_Arsonist: That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.

Protip: If you have n bullets, as long as there are at least n+1 determined mob members, your ass is grass.

How big are your bullets and how stacked is the enemy?


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Abandon all hope.
 
6 days ago  
Protip: If you have n bullets, as long as there are at least n+1 determined mob members, your ass is grass.


Rarely true in practice. Key is: 'determined'.
Also caliber selection. With a big bullet you'll get more than a few twofers. Mobs make it easy. Still maintaining 1:1 round:mobmembercalmed ratio is optimistic.
It's really all about games theory. The mob never knows how many rounds person has.
If I knew the person only had one round left, I'd just push you forward, than take his stuff. But there is no telling.
 
6 days ago  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: State_College_Arsonist: That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.

Protip: If you have n bullets, as long as there are at least n+1 determined mob members, your ass is grass.


Who volunteers to go first? You?
 
6 days ago  
Booger hook on the bang switch?
 
6 days ago  
 
6 days ago  

SurelyShirley: Name this band

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6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

SurelyShirley: Name this band

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Nickelback.
 
6 days ago  

Skleenar: Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?

Of course, there is the possibility that some protesters broke the gate on the way out, as petty revenge for getting an AR and a Walther pulled on them by pink grimace and Hamburgler's girlfriend.


How do you know they went out the same way? There are two other entrances to this private street, one much closer to their home than the gate that the supposedly smashed. The protesters came in via the gate by the arrow on the right side of the picture. They were confronted by the couple by the arrow in the middle. We can presume that since they were marching to the Mayor's house that they lived to the left (west) of the lawyer's house. The protesters could have left by Lake Ave or at the gate at that is off the map to the west.

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Hmm, something does not seem right here. From the article:

"Mark McCloskey told KMOV-TV that a mob rushed toward the home as the family was having dinner outside, claiming that the protesters smashed through gates on their private street that are marked with 'No Trespassing' and 'Private Street' signs."

Given the distance between their house and the gate there is no way they could have seen anyone tearing down the gate. They did claim that they were having dinner outside, but if so then they would have had to have been down on the sidewalk or in the street to actually be able to see the gate as the protesters supposedly broke it. But as has been shown by the video footage the protesters did not in fact break the gate.
 
6 days ago  
That gate leads into a historic housing district and that street is, in fact, according to city maps, a public thoroughfare. Just because there is a gate on your block, the street isn't your property. The gate is there to limit vehicular traffic.
 
6 days ago  

Mock26: Skleenar: Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?

Of course, there is the possibility that some protesters broke the gate on the way out, as petty revenge for getting an AR and a Walther pulled on them by pink grimace and Hamburgler's girlfriend.

How do you know they went out the same way? There are two other entrances to this private street, one much closer to their home than the gate that the supposedly smashed. The protesters came in via the gate by the arrow on the right side of the picture. They were confronted by the couple by the arrow in the middle. We can presume that since they were marching to the Mayor's house that they lived to the left (west) of the lawyer's house. The protesters could have left by Lake Ave or at the gate at that is off the map to the west.

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Hmm, something does not seem right here. From the article:

"Mark McCloskey told KMOV-TV that a mob rushed toward the home as the family was having dinner outside, claiming that the protesters smashed through gates on their private street that are marked with 'No Trespassing' and 'P ...


My mistake. Wrong house. 

Damn. I either need more beers or I need to stop drinking for the night.
 
6 days ago  

State_College_Arsonist: [Fark user image 595x414]

That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.


That is not the gate during the protest.

This is:

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6 days ago  
The new American Gothic.

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6 days ago  
If these two were the "bad neighbors" in a movie, they would be rejected for being too cartoony and not believably realistic.
 
6 days ago  

State_College_Arsonist: [Fark user image image 595x414]

That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.


Seems the height of privilege to think you're entitled to break down someone's gate and trespass on private property without consequences just because you're a special little snowflake.

These idiots need to realize not every place is Seattle. Let you voice be heard on public property and businesses and homeowners, and if you choose not to, don't go crying if you reminded you're not entitled forcibly enter private property.

Still bad trigger discipline though.
 
6 days ago  

dstanley: Mock26: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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Here is footage from video of the actual protest:

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If you go to Google street view (intersection of Porland Place and Kingshighway Boulevard) you can see it is the same gate, the top image taken from behind the gate and looking at the North side of Pershing Place) and the bottom image looking in from outside the gate.

In the protest video that gate is in fact intact. And have you done any sort of work iron fencing or iron gates? That stuff is pretty darned strong. It would take significant force, such as with a sledgehammer, to basically bend a gate half like that. So, do you still think that the protesters broke the gate to get inside when in fact the gate was actually open? Or perhaps this pair of lawyers did it after the fact to make it look like the protesters were in fact "storming the Bastille"?

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*snert*


Uh, you might want to read the farking article:

"Armed homeowners, Patty and Mark McCloskey, stand in front their house along Portland Place and confront protesters marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's house on Sunday"

PORTLAND PLACE.

Your pin drop is on Carriage Lane, one street South of the Portland Place and the gate in question.

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6 days ago  

nitropissering: The new American Gothic.

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Whoops, forgot his ear, lol, oh well.
 
6 days ago  

pedrop357: edmo: If a black man in North St Louis had pointed a gun at a bunch of white people walking by, how do you suppose this would have turned out?

Did they number in the dozens while trespassing in a gated community and making threats?


Yeah edmo,was the black guy rich and was his house expensive?  Because that's this asshole's real concern.

Don't worry pedro... when the crowd comes back and guillotines this bourgeois douchenozzle, no property will be harmed.
 
6 days ago  
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6 days ago  

Skleenar: Seen in the background of the patriots' stand against tyranny


Nice

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6 days ago  

GrinzGrimly: State_College_Arsonist: [Fark user image image 595x414]

That's a fair call in my book.  The protests of late have a marked tendency for violence and destruction, so when the mob is at your door, an AR-15 is definitely appropriate.

Seems the height of privilege to think you're entitled to break down someone's gate and trespass on private property without consequences just because you're a special little snowflake.

These idiots need to realize not every place is Seattle. Let you voice be heard on public property and businesses and homeowners, and if you choose not to, don't go crying if you reminded you're not entitled forcibly enter private property.

Still bad trigger discipline though.


I think we've pretty throughly established that the protesters didn't break down the gate.
 
6 days ago  
Here are some comparisons, from the intersection of Portland Place/Pershing Place and Kingshighway Boulevard. There are two pedestrian and one automobile gate onto Portland Place and from Google street view you can tell that it is the northernmost pedestrian gate.

The first image shows the street view looking West through the gate down Portland Place and shows a screen capture taken from the video taken by one of the protesters. Note the tree in the background. It is the same tree.

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The second image shows a picture of the gate that was supposedly damaged gate, looking East down Pershing Place from Portland place, and shows a Google street view screen capture looking East down Portland Place. Note the light pole.

Yeah, maybe it is likely that the protesters decided to destroy the gate, but if so it seems extremely unlikely they did it while they went through the gate onto Portland Place. They may have done it while leaving, but that is not what the lawyers claimed, and it seems unlikely that the protesters would march back out the same way they came in, past two armed lunatics, when there are two more places to exit this private street.
 
6 days ago  

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Needs a K instead of C.
 
6 days ago  

Murflette: Idk a lot about handguns, but judging by the pose marshmallow barbie is standing in and holding that gun, were she to pull the trigger not only would she likely miss wildly, but the kick would probably send the gun straight to her face.


It's also pointed at her husband's head in one of the photos from TFA. And yes, her finger is on the trigger.

Also, I can't stop laughing at Marshmallow Barbie, so well done.
 
6 days ago  
Second picture.

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6 days ago  

edmo: pedrop357: edmo: If a black man in North St Louis had pointed a gun at a bunch of white people walking by, how do you suppose this would have turned out?

Did they number in the dozens while trespassing in a gated community and making threats?

Maybe you're not catching on. I'll spell it out.

Switch the colors of all involved, and St Louis SWAT would have shown up and gunned them down. Questions?


I have been told Whataboutism is not welcome on Fark.
 
6 days ago  

SurelyShirley: Name this band

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Accidental Masectomy.
 
6 days ago  

GrinzGrimly: Seems the height of privilege to think you're entitled to break down someone's gate and trespass on private property without consequences just because you're a special little snowflake.


They didn't break down the gate.

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6 days ago  

SurelyShirley: Name this band

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Fat n Khaki
 
6 days ago  

King Something: They're not sorry for what they did, and they're not even sorry you were offended.

They're only sorry they got caught.


But how in the livin' fark did they think they wouldn't be caught?! What....they thought us Black folks don't have camera phones?!  Everyone has a farkin camera phone! You can see the protesters in the camera phone video holding up their camera phones to record the two deplorable with guns as they marched by the house!  Sheesh!
 
6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: Waiting for a mob to break in is a terrible idea from a tactical perspective


ColonelCathcart: How big are your bullets and how stacked is the enemy?


Either you've watched too many cop action movies or you haven't been able to see enough of them for awhile. Jonesing for shooting isn't healthy.
 
6 days ago  

PastryChef: That gate leads into a historic housing district and that street is, in fact, according to city maps, a public thoroughfare. Just because there is a gate on your block, the street isn't your property. The gate is there to limit vehicular traffic.


I was listening to a podcast today from St. Louis and on it was a former city Councilman of the City, and he made it sound like that the issue was very grey as to whether or not it was legal for these people to have declared them private streets so many years ago. And apparently these are a holdover of the days of segregation, that the streets were made private to keep people of color from moving in or in fact actually going down the street. So there may not be any actual "proof of sale" or whatever to show that these streets are in fact owned by the residents of the street. They could very well be private based on tradition only. Hopefully this protest will bring the matter before the courts. 

Personally I want to know who does maintenance on these streets and how is it paid for, because if the residents do not contract out to the city for street and sidewalk maintenance and if it is paid for through their regular tax dollars then I do believe that they cannot legally proclaim it a private street. But, it has been a very, very long time since I looked into a similar issue, and it was for a different state, so what I learned from that might not apply here.
 
6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: Skleenar: ColonelCathcart: I do agree that pulling out a weapon is a bad idea, but it's way worse to let something bad happen.

Well, in this case, they may be disbarred and are being investigated for assault, so i'd say something bad did happen.  Because they were frightened idiots.

Bad idea is not illegal.

Disbarred for what exactly? Being frightened assholes? That's not illegal.

Pretty sure you gotta do something illegal related to your job, or a serious crime unrelated to your job.


In the State of Missouri brandishing your firearm in a threatening manner is illegal.
 
6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: Mock26: WastrelWay: You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want.

Section 571.030, Revised Statutes of Missouri, A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:

(4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or

Check the other provisions and castle doctrine and stand your ground and "reasonable person in fear of their life" loophole...

Pretty sure no charges will be filed other than for the rioters and trespassers.


LOL.  You mean the peaceful people who walked through an open gate onto a street that, while possibly private, didn't belong to the people pointing the guns?  Could you BE more full of shiat?

I say we check the easement status.  It's possible that street was actually public property.  Rich assholes constantly gate off streets they don't actually own to keep out "those people".
 
6 days ago  

pedrop357: Other than some shiatty trigger discipline, they did nothing wrong.


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6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: MattytheMouse: WastrelWay: I guess the mainstream media will tell us this is fake.

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You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want. If you have to fire the gun at them, that's different.

It's probably real, but here's the tricky thing:
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It's not the gate to their mansion like the article says. It's the gate to their street.

At any rate, I literally do not give two shiats if the couple were within their rights or not. Don't go outside and brandish guns at strangers. Literally nothing good has ever come from that, as they're learning right now.

So...stay inside and let them come in or destroy your property from the outside? Is that your advice?


It's not just good advice... IT'S THE LAW (in a lot of places).
 
6 days ago  
If they seriously thought their lives were in danger, they'd have holed up in their panic room.
A house like this? Yeah, it has a panic room.
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You know who else whines like a little baby when some protestors protest legally outside his residence?
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this worthless fatass.
 
6 days ago  

AirForceVet: Utter bullshiat.

Arrest the asshats, or admit you favor white elites over mixed protestors, Mayor Lyda Krewson, you farking biatch.


Little hostile for a place you don't live.
Did you get teargassed downtown? Not my scene but it caused a stir.
 
6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: Boojum2k: Mrtraveler01: js34603: yohohogreengiant: Megathuma: They reference the storming of the Bastille, casting themselves as the wealthy monarchy finally being targeted for abusing the rest of their society.
They are *almost* self-aware.

Also, their story?

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They are quite self aware. If they had really felt endangered they would have fled or locked themselves inside. Had the "mob" armed they would have died right there on their farking mansion.

They knew they were safe. They knew they could pull this shiat.

Private property is like, a myth anyway. You can't own property man, if these racial justice freedom fighters want to protest in your yard, it is your duty and obligation as an ally to run inside and lock yourself up and hope they don't need to destroy anything of yours to achieve racial equality.

Except they didn't protest in their yard, they protested on the sidewalk.

Not according to the video. The protesters were actually in the yard.

The couple are seen in front of their front door, which is about one hundred feet and 90 degrees from the wall separating the property from the street.

See, but this doesn't matter to the spickle-flecked posters in this thread. None of it matters as one person said because they're rich and white.


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Won't somebody think of the poor, rich white people?
 
6 days ago  
 
6 days ago  
What was that cheap gate supposed to stop, anyway, aggressive Mormon missionaries and siding salesmen?
Pretty low-rent for a "mansion".
 
6 days ago  
Holy crap, I cannot stop laughing. I just now noticed that on Google maps someone marked their home as a business, and they are calling it Ken and Karen's! Now that is farking hilarious!

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6 days ago  

wage0048: Narrator: "They're lying."


It doesn't matter.

As long as they make up a story that stupid people want to believe then it's going to FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD: it's way all over the Internet.

Truthiness
 
6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: Waiting for a mob to break in is a terrible idea from a tactical perspective. You have no visibility or control over the situation once they are inside.


Your takes just keep getting worse and worse.  A fortified position with windows (for visibility) and doors (to bottleneck attackers) is now harder to defend than an open position in which the number of potential attackers is greater the the number of rounds in your mag?

Are you brain damaged?  Where did you get your tactical training?  George Armstrong Custer University?
 
6 days ago  
Yeah, those gates were intact while Ken&Karen put their drinks down and pointed guns at the protesters. Protesters who were walking PAST their house to get to the mayor's home.  You want to know when that gate was broken? After those douches threatened a bunch of pissed off protesters is when. Probably on the way out, from the inside it looks like. I doubt the lawyers did it, even they aren't that dumb, but they provoked that response.
 
6 days ago  
So, it was not actually a case of an angry mob of people entering someone's sacred castle, but some people walking by it along the private street? And these fine people were protecting not their sacred private property rights, but selflessly standing for the rights of the whole gated community?

Wow.
They are obviously victims, unsung heroes, protectors of the Realm. But wait, why do they seem to be betrayed by their neighbors? Why weren't there more well-armed knights and dames getting out of their castles to help them?I think they should find a better community, which will not abandon them in times of peril and move there.
 
6 days ago  

ColonelCathcart: Mock26: WastrelWay: You know, you can stand on your front porch with a gun to warn off people if you want.

Section 571.030, Revised Statutes of Missouri, A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:

(4)  Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or

Check the other provisions and castle doctrine and stand your ground and "reasonable person in fear of their life" loophole...

Pretty sure no charges will be filed other than for the rioters and trespassers.


I did, and there is no exception for people walking down your street, even if it is a private street. You have to feel that your life has to be in imminent danger in order to lawfully pull a firearm on someone. And these two lawyers have already blatantly lied about the protesters destroying the gate to get onto a private street and sidewalk so their credibility about feeling like their lives were in danger is questionable. Then there is the fact that there is no actual evidence that anyone attempted to set foot on their property and there is plenty of evidence showing that the protesters stayed on the sidewalk and street. And, because I am certain you will bring it up, castle doctrine in Missouri does not apply to protecting personal property so you cannot use deadly force just because someone sets foot on your property or because you think they might. It all comes down feeling that your life is in imminent danger, and that is a thin defense to use when the protesters did not do anything violent, stayed peaceful, were not displaying any weapons, did not set foot on or attempt to set foot on their property, and in fact walked right on past their home. At worst the protesters could be charged with trespassing, and, Yes, I checked, trespassing is not an exemption for brandishing a firearm (in other words, you cannot pull a gun on someone just for trespassing).
 
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